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Speaker 1: Welcome to the RAP, a weekly podcast about women's sports

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Speaker 1: news and the big stories. Every episode will cover what's

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Speaker 1: happened over the weekend, a favorite story, and what to

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Speaker 1: watch in the coming week. My name is Chloe Dalton.

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Speaker 1: I'm an Olympic gold medalist in rugby sevens and an

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Speaker 1: AFLW player. I'm joined by my co host, Millie Dawson.

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Speaker 1: Millly is an athlete manager who works with some of

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Speaker 1: Australia's top female athletes. Eymals, How are you.

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Speaker 2: I'm very well, Chloe. How has your weekend been?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: I had a really good weekend. I went down to

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Speaker 1: watch the Aon UNI Sevens National Finals Round one of

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Speaker 1: the finals, so it's the domestic unis from across the

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Speaker 1: country come together and play a bit of rugby sevens

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Speaker 1: over the weekend. They'll have the final round of that

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Speaker 1: again in two weeks time. Got to see a lot

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Speaker 1: of my Aussie sevens teammates split amongst the universities and

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Speaker 1: Bond UNI took out this round, so congrats to Bond.

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Speaker 1: It was also really cool seeing a couple of people

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Speaker 1: around wearing their women Play Sports t shirts and I

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Speaker 1: was fangirling.

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Speaker 2: Hart it is weird seeing people wear them in public. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: and you're like, what, We've actually both got ours on

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Speaker 2: now of course wrapping it and we may or may

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Speaker 2: not have a very exciting announcement to do with the

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Speaker 2: T shirts coming this week.

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Speaker 1: I would highly recommend going to the link in our

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Speaker 1: bio and putting your email in there, so if we

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Speaker 1: did happen to have more T shirts coming out sometime

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Speaker 1: very soon, you would be the first to know. Coming

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Speaker 1: up on today's episode will be joined by Lucy Small,

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Speaker 1: who recently took out the women's category at the Curly

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Speaker 1: Maljampro and called out the event organizers for disparity in

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Speaker 1: prize money between the men's and women's events. But first,

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Speaker 1: let's take a look around the grounds in Portopolo. The

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Speaker 1: Australian women's team has taken one step closer to the

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Speaker 1: Tokyo Olympics, naming a squad of sixteen players. The squadter

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Speaker 1: back in camp in Ballina before they returned to the

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Speaker 1: Sunshine Coast where they train. The final Olympic team of

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Speaker 1: thirteen players will be selected in the coming month. We're

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Speaker 1: really looking forward to watching these girls in Tokyo. Australia

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Speaker 1: have traditionally been a dominant force in water Apollo. Looking

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Speaker 1: back to the iconic moment at Sydney two thousand when

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Speaker 1: a Vet Higgins scored in the dying seconds to win

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Speaker 1: gold for Australia one of my favorite sporting moments of

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Speaker 2: Cricket is the first discipline to announce qualifying teams for

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Speaker 2: the Birmingham twenty twenty two Commonwealth Games. As a sport

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Speaker 2: makes a landmark re entry to the event, which are

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Speaker 2: scheduled for late July next year, with our Ozzie women's

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Speaker 2: team being included in the seven countries who have qualified.

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Speaker 2: Women's cricket will feature in T twenty format for the

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Speaker 2: first time in the event's history and only for the

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Speaker 2: second time for the sport, with men's One Day International

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Speaker 2: included in the Kuala Lumper Games in nineteen ninety eight.

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Speaker 2: In baseball, Adelaide played host to a women's baseball showcase

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Speaker 2: over the weekend, with Adelaide and Brisbane meeting in two

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Speaker 2: double headers. Twelve members of the twenty eighteen Australian Women's

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Speaker 2: eight time representative Shay Lilly White, who featured for the

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Speaker 2: Adelaide Giants. The two teams shared the spoils, both winning

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Speaker 2: two games each over the weekend. Madison Heath's Grand Slam

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Speaker 2: in the final game and helps the Brisbane Bandits to

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Speaker 2: a series leveling win. The showcase was a part of

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Speaker 2: the bid to hopefully set up a professional women's league

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Speaker 2: in Australia in twenty twenty two. In netball, the West

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Speaker 2: Coast Fever got their twenty twenty one season off to

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Speaker 2: the perfect start, defeating the Melbourne Vixens by fourteen points

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Speaker 2: in the twenty twenty Grand Final rematch at John Can Arena.

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Speaker 2: The reigning champion Vixens were keen to make a successful

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Speaker 2: but the Fever were two good and won every quarter

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Speaker 2: on their way to the sixty five to fifty one win.

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Speaker 2: Three times Super Netball Player of the Year Janelle Fowler

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Speaker 2: looks set for another outstanding season for the Fever, the

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Speaker 2: Jamaican shooter leading from the front with fifty four goals.

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Speaker 2: The task of defending their twenty twenty title was always

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Speaker 2: going to be a challenging one for the Victens following

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Speaker 2: their retirement of veteran goalers Caitlin Thwaits and Tiagan Philip,

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Speaker 1: In rugby league, the commission directors have agreed there's an

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Speaker 1: urgency to grow the women's game at both the elite

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Speaker 1: and grassroots levels. The NRL have said that their preferred

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Speaker 1: expansion would involve two new teams joining the Roosters, Dragons,

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Speaker 1: a media inclusion into the league. There's also talk of

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Speaker 1: to be determined, with the NRL Chief Executive Andrew Abdo

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Speaker 1: potential naming rights sponsors before deciding on the length of

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Speaker 1: the season. The NRL's vision for the women's game doesn't

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Speaker 1: junior participation. I think it's really important that the NRL

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Speaker 1: practice what they're preaching here. It's currently a four team

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Speaker 1: So I think it's really important for them to increase

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Speaker 2: In the world of snow sports, the Snow Australia Awards

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Speaker 2: took place on Thursday in Melbourne to celebrate the season

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Speaker 2: of snow sports that has recently wrapped up. Law Appeal

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Speaker 2: was awarded Ariels Athlete of the Year, Belle Brockoff tied

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Speaker 2: with Jared Hughes for snowboard Cross Athlete of the Year,

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Speaker 2: and Danielle Scott won the Alex Chumpy Pullen Outstanding Achievement Award.

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Speaker 2: The previously known Outstanding Achievement Award was named in honor

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Speaker 2: of Latestustralian snowboarder Chumpy pull In. I know daniel was

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Speaker 2: good friends with Chumpy to an incredibly special award to

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Speaker 1: In beach volleyball, Tale Quick Clancy and Maria fa Artato

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Speaker 1: del Sola have taken the win in the third and

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Speaker 1: last FIVB Beach Volleyball World Tour four Star event in

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Speaker 1: the Cancun Hub. They defeated Brazil to take the crown

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Speaker 1: And finally, in basketball, Shyla Hill has signed a multi

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Speaker 1: year deal at the Sydney Uni Flames under new head

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Speaker 1: coach her dad, Shane Hill. Shila is waiting for visa

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Speaker 1: Chicago and has announced she will link with her dad

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Speaker 1: at the Flames at the end of the year. Let's

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Speaker 1: Cinder Barclay has become the first contact sportswoman in Australia

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Speaker 1: to have her brain donated to the Australian Sports Brain Bank,

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Speaker 1: where researchers have uncover but evidence of neurological damage.

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Speaker 2: Jacinda, who died last year at age twenty nine after

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Speaker 2: believed to be due to repetitive head injuries in contact sports.

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Speaker 2: Jasinda's donation has been described as groundbreaking as it takes

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Speaker 2: a huge step in balancing the gender equity in sports

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Speaker 2: concussion research. In the past, donations to the Brain Bank

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Speaker 2: have only been from male contact sport athletes. While Jacinda's

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Speaker 2: clinical history does not show substantial incidence of concussion, researchers

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Speaker 2: age and fitness. When speaking to The Guardian, research manager

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Speaker 2: at the Australian Sports Brain Bank, Alan Pierce said, we

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Speaker 2: really need to understand if there are differences between men

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Speaker 2: and women's brains. Research is totally biased towards men in

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Speaker 1: Jacinda was an incredibly talented athlete who played twenty three

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Speaker 1: games for the GWS Giants. In the AFLW as well

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Speaker 1: as representing Australia in baseball, playing at five World Cups.

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Speaker 1: She also played in Gridiron as a quarterback in both

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Speaker 1: Australia and the US. Jascinda made a huge contribution to

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Speaker 1: the Brain Bank can continue to help women across multiple

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Speaker 1: sporting codes. Now it's time for the presser.

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Speaker 2: You may be familiar with this story if you've seen

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Speaker 2: the video that we posted on our socials late last week.

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Speaker 2: Australian longboard surfer Lucy Small won the women's title at

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Speaker 2: the Curly Maljampro on Sydney's Northern Beaches last week. Upon winning,

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Speaker 2: she was presented with a trophy and a check for

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Speaker 2: fifteen hundred dollars. Although she was wrapped on winning the title,

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Speaker 2: she was taken aback to see that her male counterpart

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Speaker 1: We've got Lucy on the line with us. Now, Lucy,

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Speaker 1: thanks so much for having a chat with us. Can

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Speaker 1: you tell us a little bit about how long you've

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Speaker 3: So I'm just about to turn twenty eight, and I

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Speaker 3: started surfing when I was thirteenth, so whatever math that

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Speaker 4: Pretty quiet place, but it's on the coast, so I just.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, when I just started going to beach, and I

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Speaker 3: Started competing when I was seventeen and have been lucky

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Speaker 3: and then that basically takes me up till now.

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Speaker 2: So awesome. To give the listeners a bit of context,

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Speaker 2: are you able to explain, I guess how often longboarding

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Speaker 2: comps happen and how they are structured.

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Speaker 3: So at the moment, obviously the calendar, sort of competitive

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Speaker 3: Regular kind of year, we will have the World Tour

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Speaker 3: last time that we had that was in twenty nineteen

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Speaker 3: and we had four events that went first to Spain

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Speaker 3: up in Taiwan. That come is like pretty changing though well,

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Speaker 3: as the Longboard Tour is maybe like the sort of

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's funny. We shared the clip of your speech

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Speaker 1: I guess yeah, I love that and I know for

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Speaker 1: I hope you keep doing what you're doing, keep surfing

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Speaker 4: You are just most welcome.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much for having me no worries at all.

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Speaker 1: in wheelchair basketball. If you're in Brisbane, the Aussie Gliders

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Speaker 2: Round two of the sun Corp Super Netball continues this week.

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Speaker 2: Our matchup of the round is West Coast Fever taking

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