1 00:00:01,240 --> 00:00:04,120 Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the 2 00:00:04,160 --> 00:00:07,960 Speaker 1: hottest influencer and pop culture news twice a week. I'm 3 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:11,680 Speaker 1: Amy Torber and coming up on today's show, Tammy Hembro 4 00:00:11,840 --> 00:00:15,520 Speaker 1: puts her three wedding dresses up for sale, Paul Versaci's 5 00:00:15,600 --> 00:00:19,720 Speaker 1: high profile friendship bust ups, and the disgusting mum shaming 6 00:00:19,760 --> 00:00:23,920 Speaker 1: of AFL commentator Abbi Holmes. But first, Matt Paul has 7 00:00:24,000 --> 00:00:28,040 Speaker 1: taken aim at his former business partner and friend, Ollie Frost. Now, 8 00:00:28,040 --> 00:00:30,800 Speaker 1: Ollie's name may sound familiar to you because he is 9 00:00:30,840 --> 00:00:35,320 Speaker 1: the husband of influencer Nicki Westcott. They recently got married 10 00:00:35,360 --> 00:00:38,159 Speaker 1: in a very lavish wedding. Well, it was in vogue, 11 00:00:38,159 --> 00:00:40,800 Speaker 1: it was petful. Now, Matt of course used to be 12 00:00:40,840 --> 00:00:43,879 Speaker 1: engaged to Tammy Hembro and is an iron man. So 13 00:00:44,320 --> 00:00:48,120 Speaker 1: Matt is really not happy with Ollie because he invested 14 00:00:48,320 --> 00:00:52,440 Speaker 1: in Ollie's restaurant called Maman back in twenty twenty and 15 00:00:52,479 --> 00:00:55,480 Speaker 1: they had a big opening party and the restaurant got 16 00:00:55,520 --> 00:00:58,400 Speaker 1: a lot of attention over addressed Tammy Hembro war to 17 00:00:58,440 --> 00:01:00,400 Speaker 1: the opening night. Yeah, well it really was the place 18 00:01:00,480 --> 00:01:03,360 Speaker 1: to be, especially for influencers. Yeah, it became a bit 19 00:01:03,400 --> 00:01:06,559 Speaker 1: of an influencer hot spot. But less than three years 20 00:01:06,600 --> 00:01:10,000 Speaker 1: after it opened, the business went into liquidation, and in 21 00:01:10,040 --> 00:01:12,959 Speaker 1: November twenty twenty three, Matt told The Gold Coast Bulletin 22 00:01:13,040 --> 00:01:15,520 Speaker 1: that Ollie had squeezed him out of the business and 23 00:01:15,600 --> 00:01:18,760 Speaker 1: owed him money. And we reported on this story extensively 24 00:01:18,840 --> 00:01:21,120 Speaker 1: at the time, so for all the details, we'll leave 25 00:01:21,160 --> 00:01:23,240 Speaker 1: a link to that episode in the show notes. Yeah, 26 00:01:23,240 --> 00:01:25,039 Speaker 1: I think that's a really good episode to listen to 27 00:01:25,080 --> 00:01:26,880 Speaker 1: if you are interested, because a lot of people in 28 00:01:26,920 --> 00:01:29,760 Speaker 1: our Facebook group obviously missed that one back in twenty 29 00:01:29,760 --> 00:01:31,720 Speaker 1: twenty three and couldn't quite work out what was going 30 00:01:31,760 --> 00:01:36,240 Speaker 1: on between Ollie and Matt. Now, despite Merman and several 31 00:01:36,280 --> 00:01:40,360 Speaker 1: other restaurants of Olie's going into liquidation in twenty twenty three, 32 00:01:40,560 --> 00:01:44,480 Speaker 1: they actually continued to operate under another entity. So that 33 00:01:44,720 --> 00:01:48,480 Speaker 1: entity has now gone into administration and Olli and his 34 00:01:48,520 --> 00:01:51,800 Speaker 1: business partner are currently challenging it in court. Yeah, and 35 00:01:51,840 --> 00:01:54,440 Speaker 1: the Gold Coast Bulletin have been covering this story from 36 00:01:54,520 --> 00:01:57,160 Speaker 1: the get go, so they reported late last week that 37 00:01:57,240 --> 00:02:00,360 Speaker 1: the four restaurants had entered administration because of for one 38 00:02:00,360 --> 00:02:03,920 Speaker 1: point four to five million dollar debt. Now, Matt clearly 39 00:02:04,160 --> 00:02:07,919 Speaker 1: and rightfully so has some big feelings about Olive Frost. 40 00:02:07,960 --> 00:02:10,800 Speaker 1: So he ended up sharing this news article to his 41 00:02:10,919 --> 00:02:14,200 Speaker 1: Instagram story and wrote, that's a very long and expensive 42 00:02:14,280 --> 00:02:17,000 Speaker 1: list of debt. I won't be holding my breath to 43 00:02:17,040 --> 00:02:19,920 Speaker 1: get my money back. He also decided to comment on 44 00:02:19,919 --> 00:02:23,079 Speaker 1: The Gold Coast Bulletin's Instagram post about this story, writing, 45 00:02:23,120 --> 00:02:25,359 Speaker 1: couldn't happen to a more deserving bloke. 46 00:02:26,760 --> 00:02:29,680 Speaker 2: Today I am joined by Paul Versaci, who you might 47 00:02:29,760 --> 00:02:31,160 Speaker 2: know as Style by Bloom. 48 00:02:31,240 --> 00:02:34,760 Speaker 1: Paul is one of Australia's most sought after fashion stylists. 49 00:02:36,919 --> 00:02:40,000 Speaker 1: Olivia Rogers has confirmed she's no longer friends with her 50 00:02:40,040 --> 00:02:44,000 Speaker 1: longtime stylist Paul Versaci. Back in March, we reported that 51 00:02:44,040 --> 00:02:47,360 Speaker 1: the friendship was over after Paul wiped all traces of 52 00:02:47,400 --> 00:02:51,080 Speaker 1: Olivia from his personal Instagram account and Olivia hired a 53 00:02:51,200 --> 00:02:54,520 Speaker 1: new stylist. Last week, during an Instagram Q and A, 54 00:02:54,680 --> 00:02:58,000 Speaker 1: Olivia admitted she'd received a lot of questions about Paul 55 00:02:58,320 --> 00:03:00,760 Speaker 1: so wanted to address it. She wrote, he moved to 56 00:03:00,800 --> 00:03:04,760 Speaker 1: Sydney and we are not working together anymore. Sometimes friendships shift, 57 00:03:04,840 --> 00:03:07,440 Speaker 1: but I will always wish him nothing but the best. 58 00:03:07,720 --> 00:03:10,840 Speaker 1: In terms of this friendship. The pair were self confessed 59 00:03:10,880 --> 00:03:15,040 Speaker 1: best friends. This wasn't just a working relationship. They holiday 60 00:03:15,160 --> 00:03:18,639 Speaker 1: together overseas, attended a lot of events together. He even 61 00:03:18,720 --> 00:03:22,960 Speaker 1: featured on her podcast as her best friend, and Olivia 62 00:03:23,200 --> 00:03:26,680 Speaker 1: even called Paul her rock during her divorce to Justin mckinn. 63 00:03:26,720 --> 00:03:28,120 Speaker 1: So there seems to be a lot more to it 64 00:03:28,160 --> 00:03:30,200 Speaker 1: than just the fact that he's moved to Sydney. Well, 65 00:03:30,240 --> 00:03:33,120 Speaker 1: when we discussed their friendship breakup back in March, we 66 00:03:33,480 --> 00:03:36,160 Speaker 1: actually wondered if the bust up had anything to do 67 00:03:36,240 --> 00:03:39,920 Speaker 1: with Paul's friendship with Olivia's ex, Morgan Waterhouse, because Paul 68 00:03:40,040 --> 00:03:42,640 Speaker 1: was actually the one who introduced the pair back in 69 00:03:42,680 --> 00:03:45,480 Speaker 1: twenty twenty three. Yeah, I mean, it seemed like that 70 00:03:45,520 --> 00:03:48,600 Speaker 1: possibly could have been the reason. However, Paul also played 71 00:03:48,640 --> 00:03:52,240 Speaker 1: matchmaker with Olivia and her new boyfriend Hugo, so they 72 00:03:52,240 --> 00:03:55,400 Speaker 1: were added a nightclub together and Paul spotted Hugo on 73 00:03:55,440 --> 00:03:57,440 Speaker 1: the dance floor and said, here's someone that you need 74 00:03:57,480 --> 00:04:00,760 Speaker 1: to meet. So again, it seems very unlikely that he's 75 00:04:00,800 --> 00:04:03,760 Speaker 1: team Morgan after this breakup. If he's introducing Olivia to 76 00:04:03,800 --> 00:04:05,880 Speaker 1: her new boyfriend, that is true. I mean, it appeared 77 00:04:05,880 --> 00:04:08,480 Speaker 1: that there was potentially more to this story because Ellie 78 00:04:08,480 --> 00:04:11,600 Speaker 1: Gonzalevis has entered the chat, so it seemed like Ellie 79 00:04:11,600 --> 00:04:15,040 Speaker 1: had a pretty similar relationship with Paul that Olivia had, 80 00:04:15,160 --> 00:04:17,440 Speaker 1: so he styled her for her wedding and in the 81 00:04:17,520 --> 00:04:20,839 Speaker 1: vogue spread about her big day, Ellie referred to Paul 82 00:04:20,920 --> 00:04:23,680 Speaker 1: as her good friend, and it appears they may no 83 00:04:23,720 --> 00:04:27,200 Speaker 1: longer be friends anymore because Ellie no longer follows Paul 84 00:04:27,440 --> 00:04:30,480 Speaker 1: or his styling account on Instagram and the pair have 85 00:04:30,560 --> 00:04:34,719 Speaker 1: stopped working together. Paul does still follow Ellie, though I 86 00:04:34,720 --> 00:04:37,680 Speaker 1: don't know if that's just a save face. So days 87 00:04:37,720 --> 00:04:40,760 Speaker 1: after Olivia's Q and A, Ellie did her own and 88 00:04:40,960 --> 00:04:43,120 Speaker 1: she replied to a comment that said, I notice you 89 00:04:43,200 --> 00:04:46,360 Speaker 1: no longer work with a certain someone and have unfollowed him, 90 00:04:46,640 --> 00:04:49,520 Speaker 1: and Ellie responded, if you've noticed I'm no longer working 91 00:04:49,600 --> 00:04:52,400 Speaker 1: with or spending time with someone and unfollowed them dot 92 00:04:52,440 --> 00:04:56,000 Speaker 1: dot dot is for good reason. I don't tolerate disrespect, lying, 93 00:04:56,120 --> 00:04:59,440 Speaker 1: or bad behavior, especially from people who call themselves my friend. 94 00:05:00,320 --> 00:05:02,800 Speaker 1: This I also found out some pretty horrendous things this 95 00:05:02,839 --> 00:05:05,880 Speaker 1: person had been doing. Once I see someone's true character, 96 00:05:06,320 --> 00:05:08,840 Speaker 1: I'm done. I want to make it clear we are 97 00:05:08,839 --> 00:05:11,479 Speaker 1: not sure if Ellie is actually talking about Paul Fasaci, 98 00:05:11,520 --> 00:05:13,960 Speaker 1: but the Internet has been putting two and two together 99 00:05:14,040 --> 00:05:17,200 Speaker 1: because of the timing. Yeah, and Paul is still working 100 00:05:17,400 --> 00:05:20,559 Speaker 1: with a lot of influences. So he recently styled Tammy 101 00:05:20,560 --> 00:05:23,320 Speaker 1: Hembro for Sydney Fashion Week and within the last week 102 00:05:23,360 --> 00:05:26,200 Speaker 1: he also worked with Lucy Jackson and Nicki Wescott. Yeah, 103 00:05:26,240 --> 00:05:29,800 Speaker 1: so he still works with Australia's top influencers. Now, on 104 00:05:29,839 --> 00:05:32,799 Speaker 1: the topic of Olivia Rodgers, I do want to discuss 105 00:05:32,839 --> 00:05:35,960 Speaker 1: the shade that she threw at her ex husband Justin McKean. 106 00:05:36,520 --> 00:05:39,160 Speaker 1: So this video of her went viral on TikTok and 107 00:05:39,200 --> 00:05:42,239 Speaker 1: it started out by Olivia showing herself looking really happy 108 00:05:42,560 --> 00:05:45,440 Speaker 1: and cheersing a glass of champagne at a restaurant, and 109 00:05:45,480 --> 00:05:47,960 Speaker 1: it had the caption what do you mean he drained 110 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:51,080 Speaker 1: the life out of you? The video then transitioned to 111 00:05:51,240 --> 00:05:54,520 Speaker 1: vision of her crying in the car without makeup on, 112 00:05:54,720 --> 00:05:57,080 Speaker 1: and her skin was all broken out and she looked 113 00:05:57,240 --> 00:06:01,640 Speaker 1: incredibly sad, like her eyes looked so different. Now. I 114 00:06:01,680 --> 00:06:03,280 Speaker 1: was reading all the comments and there were a lot 115 00:06:03,279 --> 00:06:05,680 Speaker 1: of women saying, oh my gosh, I feel you so much. 116 00:06:05,760 --> 00:06:07,960 Speaker 1: This happened to me when I was in a toxic 117 00:06:08,040 --> 00:06:11,760 Speaker 1: relationship and Olivia was replying a lot of interesting comments back. 118 00:06:12,040 --> 00:06:14,800 Speaker 1: But one thing I noticed was there were these men 119 00:06:14,839 --> 00:06:17,640 Speaker 1: in the comments going the only difference is that you're 120 00:06:17,640 --> 00:06:20,320 Speaker 1: not wearing makeup, and they were trying to push his agenda. 121 00:06:20,400 --> 00:06:24,240 Speaker 1: And then Olivia ended up sharing a follow up video saying, actually, 122 00:06:24,520 --> 00:06:27,159 Speaker 1: this is me without makeup at the time compared to 123 00:06:27,200 --> 00:06:31,040 Speaker 1: me without makeup now, and the difference was ridiculous. Yeah, 124 00:06:31,080 --> 00:06:33,360 Speaker 1: as we discussed recently, I think Olivia is feeling a 125 00:06:33,360 --> 00:06:36,560 Speaker 1: lot more confident coming out and sharing these details about 126 00:06:36,560 --> 00:06:39,720 Speaker 1: her relationship with Justin because of all that has come 127 00:06:39,760 --> 00:06:42,640 Speaker 1: out about him recently. Yeah, I think that definitely plays 128 00:06:42,640 --> 00:06:44,920 Speaker 1: a part in this. There was one comment that really 129 00:06:44,960 --> 00:06:46,800 Speaker 1: stood out to me as well. Someone wrote, but I'm 130 00:06:46,800 --> 00:06:49,760 Speaker 1: confused you always posted such cute videos and picks together, 131 00:06:50,080 --> 00:06:52,880 Speaker 1: and Olivia responded, it's easy to get someone to smile 132 00:06:52,960 --> 00:06:55,200 Speaker 1: for a few seconds for a photo. You don't see 133 00:06:55,200 --> 00:06:57,720 Speaker 1: what goes on behind the scenes, and I think we 134 00:06:57,760 --> 00:06:59,640 Speaker 1: all need to remember that when we do see this 135 00:06:59,680 --> 00:07:03,200 Speaker 1: really cute couple content, that it doesn't necessarily mean people 136 00:07:03,240 --> 00:07:05,320 Speaker 1: are happy. A lot of the time the people that 137 00:07:05,400 --> 00:07:08,080 Speaker 1: put out these big declarations of love on social media 138 00:07:08,080 --> 00:07:11,200 Speaker 1: are the ones that are having relationship issues. Well. Sadly, 139 00:07:11,400 --> 00:07:14,840 Speaker 1: it seems like Justin's relationship with Tarny Lison maybe over 140 00:07:15,400 --> 00:07:19,560 Speaker 1: because someone has spotted him on hint. Yeah. I find 141 00:07:19,560 --> 00:07:22,000 Speaker 1: this topic really difficult to talk about because Taranni has 142 00:07:22,040 --> 00:07:25,800 Speaker 1: only recently just given birth to their son Alo, and 143 00:07:25,880 --> 00:07:28,760 Speaker 1: from the get go of the birth announcement it seemed 144 00:07:28,760 --> 00:07:32,080 Speaker 1: like something was off. Justin didn't feature in it. They're 145 00:07:32,080 --> 00:07:34,680 Speaker 1: not following each other on Instagram, and Tarani's been posting 146 00:07:34,720 --> 00:07:37,200 Speaker 1: a lot about, you know, how proud she is of 147 00:07:37,480 --> 00:07:40,080 Speaker 1: the way that she's been managing to parent, and you know, 148 00:07:40,200 --> 00:07:42,320 Speaker 1: reading between the lines that's on her own, I just 149 00:07:42,320 --> 00:07:46,600 Speaker 1: feel so terrible for her. Like some days I feel 150 00:07:47,560 --> 00:07:50,720 Speaker 1: so good and I'm just like, you know, feeling so positive, 151 00:07:51,040 --> 00:07:56,640 Speaker 1: and then you just get like waves of like different emotions. 152 00:07:58,120 --> 00:08:01,600 Speaker 1: Tammy Hembro has revealed she's telling her three wedding dresses 153 00:08:01,680 --> 00:08:05,600 Speaker 1: a month after announcing her divorce from Matt Zakowski. Tammy 154 00:08:05,680 --> 00:08:08,600 Speaker 1: shared the news on her Instagram story, calling on her 155 00:08:08,720 --> 00:08:14,000 Speaker 1: seventeen million followers to hit her up with offers. Guys, 156 00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:16,560 Speaker 1: I don't know if this is a little bit unhinged, 157 00:08:16,680 --> 00:08:18,800 Speaker 1: but I don't really care. To be honest, I want 158 00:08:18,840 --> 00:08:24,560 Speaker 1: to get rid of my wedding dresses. Obviously they like 159 00:08:24,600 --> 00:08:27,160 Speaker 1: I was going to keep them originally, but obviously they 160 00:08:27,200 --> 00:08:32,480 Speaker 1: don't really hold the sentimental value anymore. So if anyone 161 00:08:32,600 --> 00:08:38,000 Speaker 1: wants to buy one, let me know, gime me up. Okay. 162 00:08:38,080 --> 00:08:41,760 Speaker 1: This decision has divided the Internet for more reasons than one. Yeah, 163 00:08:41,960 --> 00:08:44,520 Speaker 1: it has been a hot topic in our Facebook group 164 00:08:44,520 --> 00:08:47,800 Speaker 1: and also on our Instagram account. And what people seem 165 00:08:47,840 --> 00:08:50,480 Speaker 1: to have the biggest problem with is the fact that 166 00:08:50,520 --> 00:08:53,280 Speaker 1: at least one of Tammy Hembro's wedding dresses appears to 167 00:08:53,360 --> 00:08:56,199 Speaker 1: have been gifted as part of a partnership. So the 168 00:08:56,320 --> 00:08:59,360 Speaker 1: dress in question is the most iconic of the three. 169 00:08:59,400 --> 00:09:04,280 Speaker 1: It's Tammy Hembro's Vera Wang blush pink ceremony dress. And 170 00:09:04,559 --> 00:09:07,520 Speaker 1: while Tammy or Vera Wang have never disclosed the details 171 00:09:07,559 --> 00:09:10,440 Speaker 1: of their partnership, it was clear that there was a 172 00:09:10,480 --> 00:09:15,120 Speaker 1: transactional nature to this relationship. Yeah, because in February, Tammy 173 00:09:15,200 --> 00:09:18,000 Speaker 1: documented her journey to find her wedding dress to her 174 00:09:18,040 --> 00:09:21,920 Speaker 1: seventeen million Instagram followers, So she shared a real entitled 175 00:09:21,960 --> 00:09:24,600 Speaker 1: come try on Wedding Dresses with Me at Vera Wang. 176 00:09:24,960 --> 00:09:27,400 Speaker 1: She also shared a video to TikTok where she showed 177 00:09:27,440 --> 00:09:29,960 Speaker 1: herself trying on the dresses her mum and sisters had 178 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:32,520 Speaker 1: picked for her, and she asked her followers to comment 179 00:09:32,559 --> 00:09:34,920 Speaker 1: the one they liked the best. I mean, clearly this 180 00:09:35,080 --> 00:09:38,080 Speaker 1: was an exercise in boosting engagement and it worked. So 181 00:09:38,200 --> 00:09:41,840 Speaker 1: both videos got millions of views, and Vera Wang's account 182 00:09:41,920 --> 00:09:44,719 Speaker 1: commented underneath the TikTok, we loved having you and your 183 00:09:44,760 --> 00:09:48,440 Speaker 1: family in today, Tammy, you looked absolutely stunning in all 184 00:09:49,280 --> 00:09:51,880 Speaker 1: now while they're clearly was a partnership between Tammy and 185 00:09:51,960 --> 00:09:55,520 Speaker 1: Vera Wang in February twenty twenty four. It was rather 186 00:09:55,600 --> 00:10:00,760 Speaker 1: confusing because a month earlier, Tammy was on Matsakowski podcast 187 00:10:00,960 --> 00:10:03,959 Speaker 1: and she was talking about how she'd already chosen her 188 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:07,200 Speaker 1: wedding dress, and Matt's co host Anna macavoid chimed in 189 00:10:07,280 --> 00:10:09,800 Speaker 1: saying that Tammy had shown her the dress at her 190 00:10:09,800 --> 00:10:12,679 Speaker 1: New Year's Eve party. Then suddenly, a few weeks later, 191 00:10:12,960 --> 00:10:15,160 Speaker 1: Tammy shed that Vera Wang had gifted her a box 192 00:10:15,200 --> 00:10:17,920 Speaker 1: of goodies. So clearly they were like, hang on, we 193 00:10:17,960 --> 00:10:20,400 Speaker 1: want Tammy to wear our dress, not this other one. Well, 194 00:10:20,520 --> 00:10:23,720 Speaker 1: it was clear that Vera Wang was targeting influencers because 195 00:10:23,760 --> 00:10:26,920 Speaker 1: the collaboration with Tammy came off the back of Tammy's 196 00:10:26,920 --> 00:10:30,199 Speaker 1: friend and fellow influencer m Davies being invited to Vera 197 00:10:30,320 --> 00:10:33,240 Speaker 1: Wang to try on wedding dresses, and this was after 198 00:10:33,280 --> 00:10:37,240 Speaker 1: she complained about her experiences at Palace Coutur and Stephen Koloal. Yeah, 199 00:10:37,240 --> 00:10:39,360 Speaker 1: so it seems likely that Vera Wang struck up this 200 00:10:39,480 --> 00:10:42,839 Speaker 1: partnership with Tammy. So we don't actually know what the 201 00:10:42,920 --> 00:10:46,040 Speaker 1: terms of this partnership deal were, but after finding out 202 00:10:46,120 --> 00:10:48,320 Speaker 1: how much the dress cost, I would be very surprised 203 00:10:48,320 --> 00:10:50,680 Speaker 1: if this was a pure contra deal because a lot 204 00:10:50,679 --> 00:10:53,080 Speaker 1: of people presumed that Vera Wang was going to create 205 00:10:53,120 --> 00:10:55,840 Speaker 1: a custom gown for Tammy, but she actually ended up 206 00:10:55,920 --> 00:10:58,320 Speaker 1: choosing a design that many other brides had worn. It 207 00:10:58,320 --> 00:11:01,280 Speaker 1: was an off the rack design, so the dress ended 208 00:11:01,320 --> 00:11:04,520 Speaker 1: up costing around twelve eight hundred dollars. Of course, this 209 00:11:04,559 --> 00:11:08,439 Speaker 1: hasn't taken into consideration a range of customizations or alterations, 210 00:11:08,440 --> 00:11:11,960 Speaker 1: but regardless, I highly doubt Tammy would produce a real 211 00:11:11,960 --> 00:11:14,360 Speaker 1: and TikTok for a brand for only twelve thousand, eight hundred. 212 00:11:14,400 --> 00:11:17,400 Speaker 1: I mean potentially if the dress had been custom made, 213 00:11:17,480 --> 00:11:20,960 Speaker 1: because the most expensive via Wang dress retails for forty 214 00:11:21,000 --> 00:11:24,600 Speaker 1: seven thousand dollars, so potentially that could have covered the 215 00:11:24,640 --> 00:11:26,880 Speaker 1: cost of the social media coverage. And also, yeah, I 216 00:11:26,920 --> 00:11:28,800 Speaker 1: mean that just indicates that there may have been a 217 00:11:28,840 --> 00:11:31,400 Speaker 1: paid element to the wedding dress deal. Yeah, I think 218 00:11:31,440 --> 00:11:35,400 Speaker 1: it's highly likely that she was paid to promote the brand. Now, 219 00:11:35,520 --> 00:11:38,560 Speaker 1: media outlets have wrongly been reporting that Tammy was dressed 220 00:11:38,559 --> 00:11:41,120 Speaker 1: by via Wang for all three wedding looks. Her second 221 00:11:41,120 --> 00:11:44,439 Speaker 1: gown was actually the Vivian Westwood Camille gown, and her 222 00:11:44,480 --> 00:11:47,320 Speaker 1: final look of the big day was a Carla gil dress. 223 00:11:47,760 --> 00:11:50,320 Speaker 1: It's unclear if she was gifted these dresses from the 224 00:11:50,360 --> 00:11:53,800 Speaker 1: other designers, but she never produced specific social media content 225 00:11:53,960 --> 00:11:56,400 Speaker 1: for them. In saying that though all three wedding dresses 226 00:11:56,679 --> 00:11:59,160 Speaker 1: were featured in Vogue spread about the wedding, the weird 227 00:11:59,160 --> 00:12:00,880 Speaker 1: thing is, I would have thought with the viau Wang 228 00:12:00,960 --> 00:12:02,720 Speaker 1: deal that she would have been told she has to 229 00:12:02,760 --> 00:12:05,640 Speaker 1: exclusively wear virau Way. Well, I was thinking maybe she 230 00:12:05,760 --> 00:12:08,400 Speaker 1: did purchase one of these gowns beforehand, and that's the 231 00:12:08,480 --> 00:12:12,240 Speaker 1: dress she was talking about that she'd already bought on podcast. Well, 232 00:12:12,280 --> 00:12:15,160 Speaker 1: what are your thoughts on Tammy potentially making money from 233 00:12:15,200 --> 00:12:17,760 Speaker 1: selling ad dress that she didn't pay for. I find 234 00:12:17,800 --> 00:12:21,720 Speaker 1: these conversations interesting because I can totally understand why it 235 00:12:21,800 --> 00:12:25,199 Speaker 1: annoys people, because it always seems like influencers are getting 236 00:12:25,240 --> 00:12:28,520 Speaker 1: freebes and it seems unfair. But we've got to remember 237 00:12:28,559 --> 00:12:31,880 Speaker 1: this isn't just a one sided transaction. Tammy gave Via 238 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:35,920 Speaker 1: Wayang a lot of exposure. I think it's because Tammy's 239 00:12:35,960 --> 00:12:37,880 Speaker 1: so rich, though, that people think, well, why does she 240 00:12:38,000 --> 00:12:40,920 Speaker 1: need that money? Yeah, but then I think we're undervaluing 241 00:12:40,960 --> 00:12:44,320 Speaker 1: the work that influencers and other content creators do because 242 00:12:44,720 --> 00:12:48,160 Speaker 1: you know, it may seem easy to create social media content, 243 00:12:48,200 --> 00:12:50,240 Speaker 1: but there is an element of skill involved, and also 244 00:12:50,280 --> 00:12:53,280 Speaker 1: the fact that she has cultivated this audience by constantly 245 00:12:53,320 --> 00:12:56,200 Speaker 1: sharing her life and creating content. I get all of that, 246 00:12:56,320 --> 00:12:58,880 Speaker 1: but I just think it looks bad from an outside perspective. 247 00:12:58,960 --> 00:13:00,560 Speaker 1: I mean, I saw a lot of people saying that 248 00:13:00,640 --> 00:13:03,000 Speaker 1: maybe she should donate the money to charity, and I 249 00:13:03,040 --> 00:13:05,680 Speaker 1: actually think that that would be a really nice move 250 00:13:05,760 --> 00:13:08,160 Speaker 1: and also a really good pr move. I mean, let's 251 00:13:08,160 --> 00:13:10,160 Speaker 1: be honest, though, the whole point of Tammy announcing this 252 00:13:10,320 --> 00:13:12,199 Speaker 1: wasn't to get a good deal on the dresses. Is 253 00:13:12,360 --> 00:13:14,080 Speaker 1: not like I need a cash injection. It was a 254 00:13:14,080 --> 00:13:16,880 Speaker 1: massive fuck you to Matt Sakowski. Yeah exactly. That's why 255 00:13:16,960 --> 00:13:19,440 Speaker 1: I don't think she actually thought it through. I don't 256 00:13:19,440 --> 00:13:22,640 Speaker 1: think she expected to probably get that backlash. Another big 257 00:13:22,679 --> 00:13:25,640 Speaker 1: part of this conversation about Tammy selling her dresses centered 258 00:13:25,679 --> 00:13:28,000 Speaker 1: around whether you'd actually want to buy a wedding dress 259 00:13:28,000 --> 00:13:31,160 Speaker 1: that was a product of divorce, particularly from a marriage 260 00:13:31,160 --> 00:13:34,120 Speaker 1: that only lasted seven months. We ended up putting a 261 00:13:34,120 --> 00:13:37,000 Speaker 1: poll on her Instagram asking if it's bad juju buying 262 00:13:37,000 --> 00:13:40,600 Speaker 1: a wedding dress from a failed marriage, and overwhelmingly the 263 00:13:40,640 --> 00:13:44,520 Speaker 1: response was yes. I saw a lot of people commenting though, 264 00:13:44,559 --> 00:13:47,040 Speaker 1: that it's good for the environment. Yeah, well I agree. 265 00:13:47,080 --> 00:13:49,880 Speaker 1: I mean, like if you go to an op shop, 266 00:13:49,880 --> 00:13:52,400 Speaker 1: for example, some people buy their dresses secondhand or on 267 00:13:52,440 --> 00:13:55,000 Speaker 1: different websites. You don't know who wore the dress, you 268 00:13:55,040 --> 00:13:57,160 Speaker 1: don't know if the marriage worked out. I mean, I 269 00:13:57,200 --> 00:13:59,000 Speaker 1: think that's very earnest of you thinking people are buying 270 00:13:59,000 --> 00:14:02,680 Speaker 1: wedding dresses from shops. There's a website called still White Yeah, 271 00:14:02,720 --> 00:14:05,559 Speaker 1: cells design a second hand dresses I actually had a 272 00:14:05,640 --> 00:14:07,640 Speaker 1: quick look to see if Tammy's was up there, because 273 00:14:07,640 --> 00:14:09,920 Speaker 1: I'm like, if she was taking it seriously, she'd be 274 00:14:09,920 --> 00:14:12,000 Speaker 1: selling it on a reputable website like that, not just 275 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:14,840 Speaker 1: saying oh, everyone give me your best offer and your dms, 276 00:14:14,880 --> 00:14:16,720 Speaker 1: because is she going to really go through all her 277 00:14:16,840 --> 00:14:18,880 Speaker 1: dms and see what people are offering. I think she 278 00:14:18,880 --> 00:14:22,120 Speaker 1: should put it on eBay because it's about a talking point, like, oh, 279 00:14:22,160 --> 00:14:24,440 Speaker 1: this is the dress that Tammy wore to her wedding 280 00:14:24,440 --> 00:14:27,760 Speaker 1: with Matt Sakowski. Yeah. The thing is, as you said, Amy, 281 00:14:27,960 --> 00:14:29,760 Speaker 1: a lot of the time, if you were purchasing a 282 00:14:29,760 --> 00:14:32,040 Speaker 1: wedding dress, you wouldn't even know the backstory behind it. 283 00:14:32,080 --> 00:14:33,320 Speaker 1: And I don't think you're going to be putting that 284 00:14:33,360 --> 00:14:35,320 Speaker 1: in the little description of the dress. Oh I actually 285 00:14:35,320 --> 00:14:38,720 Speaker 1: got divorced. No. Some other people were saying that it 286 00:14:38,760 --> 00:14:40,880 Speaker 1: could be a really good formal dress, and I agree, 287 00:14:41,000 --> 00:14:42,840 Speaker 1: But just as a talking point, can you imagine if 288 00:14:42,840 --> 00:14:45,040 Speaker 1: you rocked up to your school formal and you said, yeah, 289 00:14:45,040 --> 00:14:47,400 Speaker 1: this is Tammy Hambro's old dress. It actually got me 290 00:14:47,480 --> 00:14:51,280 Speaker 1: thinking about how a lot of a list celebrity's iconic 291 00:14:51,360 --> 00:14:56,080 Speaker 1: outfits a now shown in museums. Maybe at outspoken. We 292 00:14:56,160 --> 00:14:59,040 Speaker 1: should get a gofund me and purchase it and set 293 00:14:59,120 --> 00:15:01,840 Speaker 1: up and influencing me. We could do that, or we 294 00:15:01,880 --> 00:15:04,120 Speaker 1: could wear it as a Halloween costume. I don't think 295 00:15:04,160 --> 00:15:06,320 Speaker 1: the price that Tammy will be wanting from this dress 296 00:15:06,400 --> 00:15:08,720 Speaker 1: we could cover just for Halloween costumes. 297 00:15:09,240 --> 00:15:09,400 Speaker 2: Yeah. 298 00:15:09,440 --> 00:15:12,000 Speaker 1: Well, Matt is yet to respond to the wedding dress drama. 299 00:15:12,120 --> 00:15:14,000 Speaker 1: He might open up about it on his podcast, but 300 00:15:14,360 --> 00:15:18,160 Speaker 1: this week he recently spoke about his thirtieth birthday celebrations, 301 00:15:18,520 --> 00:15:21,120 Speaker 1: and so he had a Christmas in July themed party 302 00:15:21,160 --> 00:15:23,240 Speaker 1: at a pub with his family and friends. I mean, 303 00:15:23,240 --> 00:15:25,160 Speaker 1: as a fellow Christmas lover, I actually thought this was 304 00:15:25,200 --> 00:15:27,520 Speaker 1: pretty cute. Yeah, it looked very wholesome and like they 305 00:15:27,520 --> 00:15:30,120 Speaker 1: all had a good time. But Matt ended up revealing 306 00:15:30,240 --> 00:15:32,320 Speaker 1: on his podcast that his thirtieth was meant to be 307 00:15:32,560 --> 00:15:36,040 Speaker 1: very different. Now, he didn't say this on his podcast, 308 00:15:36,040 --> 00:15:38,640 Speaker 1: but it turns out that Tammy's recent trip to New 309 00:15:38,720 --> 00:15:40,760 Speaker 1: Zealand with their kids was actually meant to be a 310 00:15:40,800 --> 00:15:44,280 Speaker 1: trip to celebrate Matt's thirtieth birthday. So he ended up 311 00:15:44,280 --> 00:15:47,400 Speaker 1: elaborating more on his Instagram, and it was actually in 312 00:15:47,440 --> 00:15:50,200 Speaker 1: response to a rude comment someone wrote on one of 313 00:15:50,200 --> 00:15:53,440 Speaker 1: the pictures from his thirtieth someone wrote, weird ass themes 314 00:15:53,440 --> 00:15:56,800 Speaker 1: since your ex wife just had Christmas in July, and 315 00:15:56,840 --> 00:15:59,680 Speaker 1: Matt replied, so, I have been planning my thirtieth for months, 316 00:15:59,680 --> 00:16:01,720 Speaker 1: but you I think it's weird because my ex wife 317 00:16:01,760 --> 00:16:03,720 Speaker 1: went on a trip that was booked for my birthday 318 00:16:03,960 --> 00:16:06,200 Speaker 1: and still did all the stuff we had planned. Nah, 319 00:16:06,280 --> 00:16:09,240 Speaker 1: I think that's weird. So that comment is in reference 320 00:16:09,240 --> 00:16:11,120 Speaker 1: to when Tammy was in New Zealand. I think it 321 00:16:11,120 --> 00:16:12,840 Speaker 1: was on the second day of her trip, she took 322 00:16:12,840 --> 00:16:16,080 Speaker 1: her kids to this street that was all lit up 323 00:16:16,080 --> 00:16:17,840 Speaker 1: with Christmas lights and it was a part of this 324 00:16:17,960 --> 00:16:21,920 Speaker 1: Christmas in July celebration. So clearly she posted it as 325 00:16:21,920 --> 00:16:24,200 Speaker 1: a bit of a burn to Matt, and it got 326 00:16:24,240 --> 00:16:26,480 Speaker 1: the reaction that she wanted. What was she meant to do? 327 00:16:26,560 --> 00:16:29,000 Speaker 1: I mean, she probably bought this trip for Matt as 328 00:16:29,040 --> 00:16:31,320 Speaker 1: a birthday present. What she's just not going to go 329 00:16:31,360 --> 00:16:33,040 Speaker 1: and the tickets are going to go to waste. Oh 330 00:16:33,120 --> 00:16:35,840 Speaker 1: I completely agree, like, of course, go on the trip 331 00:16:35,880 --> 00:16:38,200 Speaker 1: and enjoy yourself if you've paid for it. I also 332 00:16:38,280 --> 00:16:40,800 Speaker 1: think it's quite telling because often if you're the person 333 00:16:40,840 --> 00:16:43,360 Speaker 1: that's been broken up with or you've been the one 334 00:16:43,360 --> 00:16:46,200 Speaker 1: that's wronged, you're more likely to go on a trip 335 00:16:46,320 --> 00:16:49,840 Speaker 1: like this as a fuck you. Well, yeah, do vengeful things. Yeah. Now. 336 00:16:49,840 --> 00:16:52,160 Speaker 1: Despite Matt saying that he wouldn't be talking about the 337 00:16:52,160 --> 00:16:55,800 Speaker 1: breakup on his podcast, he made a lot of references 338 00:16:55,840 --> 00:16:59,320 Speaker 1: to it during Wednesday's episode, so he spoke about how 339 00:16:59,400 --> 00:17:02,840 Speaker 1: it's been in an emotional rollercoaster and how his confidence 340 00:17:02,880 --> 00:17:06,000 Speaker 1: has been not and conveniently, Anna and Matt then got 341 00:17:06,040 --> 00:17:09,640 Speaker 1: on a confidence coach to talk about how to get 342 00:17:09,640 --> 00:17:12,080 Speaker 1: your confidence back. Do you think this is an attempt 343 00:17:12,160 --> 00:17:15,720 Speaker 1: to garner sympathy for Matt? Yeah? I do. And it's 344 00:17:15,760 --> 00:17:18,440 Speaker 1: interesting because I feel like Tammy's been doing a similar thing. 345 00:17:18,640 --> 00:17:21,879 Speaker 1: Like she'll post TikTok content where she's looking really happy, 346 00:17:21,880 --> 00:17:24,119 Speaker 1: but then you'll have to add in like, oh, you know, 347 00:17:24,480 --> 00:17:26,320 Speaker 1: I've been feeling really down, but this has made me 348 00:17:26,359 --> 00:17:29,240 Speaker 1: feel better. It seems like they just keep having to justify, like, no, 349 00:17:29,359 --> 00:17:31,200 Speaker 1: I'm the one that feels bad, No, I'm the one. 350 00:17:31,840 --> 00:17:34,879 Speaker 1: We also dropped in this episode that he will eventually 351 00:17:34,960 --> 00:17:38,440 Speaker 1: talk about the breakup. I think it's only a matter 352 00:17:38,520 --> 00:17:40,440 Speaker 1: of weeks before we hear more about it. 353 00:17:42,080 --> 00:17:45,600 Speaker 2: I always took my nose, and there's been more nose 354 00:17:45,600 --> 00:17:47,840 Speaker 2: than Yes's. But I always took those noses, and not 355 00:17:47,920 --> 00:17:50,080 Speaker 2: right now, But you better believe I'm going to be 356 00:17:50,080 --> 00:17:51,480 Speaker 2: back here in three months time, and I'm going to 357 00:17:51,520 --> 00:17:52,800 Speaker 2: be knocking on your door and we're going to be 358 00:17:52,840 --> 00:17:53,879 Speaker 2: having the same conversation. 359 00:17:55,400 --> 00:17:58,840 Speaker 1: Football commentator Abby Holmes has copped a disgusting barrage of 360 00:17:58,880 --> 00:18:02,600 Speaker 1: abuse online after announcing she's returning to work seven weeks 361 00:18:02,640 --> 00:18:05,400 Speaker 1: after giving birth to her son Bras. The thirty four 362 00:18:05,440 --> 00:18:07,840 Speaker 1: year old was labeled selfish and told to stay at 363 00:18:07,840 --> 00:18:11,720 Speaker 1: home and look after her baby by keyboard Warriors. This 364 00:18:11,920 --> 00:18:15,400 Speaker 1: story has made me so angry, but I'm not actually 365 00:18:15,480 --> 00:18:18,720 Speaker 1: surprised because, as you know, Kate months get judged for 366 00:18:18,840 --> 00:18:21,440 Speaker 1: every decision they made. Yeah, this really pissed me off, 367 00:18:21,440 --> 00:18:23,919 Speaker 1: particularly when you look at the industry that Abby works in. 368 00:18:24,000 --> 00:18:26,679 Speaker 1: I mean, how many footy players have returned, you know, 369 00:18:26,800 --> 00:18:29,679 Speaker 1: days after their wife's given birth to play football, or 370 00:18:29,920 --> 00:18:32,720 Speaker 1: they've continued to play football and their wife's given birth 371 00:18:32,760 --> 00:18:34,320 Speaker 1: on the same day and everyone's like, oh, it's so 372 00:18:34,560 --> 00:18:37,040 Speaker 1: great of them. I Mean, the most disappointing thing about 373 00:18:37,080 --> 00:18:39,960 Speaker 1: this was a lot of the nasty comments actually came 374 00:18:39,960 --> 00:18:43,359 Speaker 1: from Women Now. Abby shared the news of her return 375 00:18:43,400 --> 00:18:46,879 Speaker 1: to Instagram on Thursday, writing see your next Friday, and 376 00:18:46,920 --> 00:18:50,960 Speaker 1: she tagged seven AFL for Essendon versus Bulldogs. Time at 377 00:18:50,960 --> 00:18:53,520 Speaker 1: home has been amazing and will continue to be amazing, 378 00:18:53,760 --> 00:18:55,639 Speaker 1: but I'm so ready to get back into it a 379 00:18:55,640 --> 00:18:58,400 Speaker 1: couple of days a week doing something I really enjoy. 380 00:18:58,560 --> 00:19:01,240 Speaker 1: I'm excited for little Bracks to his mamma back doing 381 00:19:01,240 --> 00:19:03,320 Speaker 1: what she loves and to be able to play two 382 00:19:03,400 --> 00:19:06,520 Speaker 1: roles that I'm super passionate about, being a mum and 383 00:19:06,600 --> 00:19:09,080 Speaker 1: working on the footy. This, of course, wouldn't be possible 384 00:19:09,119 --> 00:19:12,560 Speaker 1: without the support of my seven AFL family and super Dad. 385 00:19:12,720 --> 00:19:15,199 Speaker 1: We're so lucky to have you. See you next week. 386 00:19:15,359 --> 00:19:18,520 Speaker 1: Abby also released a statement reiterating that she was only 387 00:19:18,560 --> 00:19:20,760 Speaker 1: going back to work for two days a week. She 388 00:19:20,840 --> 00:19:23,440 Speaker 1: said coming back to work fills me with so much excitement. 389 00:19:23,480 --> 00:19:25,679 Speaker 1: I've missed the team, the buzz and being part of 390 00:19:25,720 --> 00:19:27,920 Speaker 1: the action. She went on to say being a mum 391 00:19:27,960 --> 00:19:30,800 Speaker 1: has changed me in the most incredible ways, but one 392 00:19:30,800 --> 00:19:33,879 Speaker 1: thing that hasn't changed is my passion for my career 393 00:19:33,960 --> 00:19:36,840 Speaker 1: and the game. I couldn't be more ready to be back. 394 00:19:36,960 --> 00:19:39,399 Speaker 1: It's interesting that she's had to release two statements to 395 00:19:39,680 --> 00:19:41,840 Speaker 1: clarify that it's only two days a week and she 396 00:19:41,920 --> 00:19:44,200 Speaker 1: still enjoys being a mum. And I can see why, because, 397 00:19:44,200 --> 00:19:47,000 Speaker 1: as you said, this backlash was disgusting and she was 398 00:19:47,040 --> 00:19:49,639 Speaker 1: clearly expecting it. Yeah. I mean, the double standards are 399 00:19:49,680 --> 00:19:53,119 Speaker 1: just outrageous. Can you imagine a male commentator having to 400 00:19:53,160 --> 00:19:55,480 Speaker 1: put out a press release saying, Oh, I'm coming back 401 00:19:55,520 --> 00:19:59,040 Speaker 1: to work. I also found the line really interesting where 402 00:19:59,200 --> 00:20:01,840 Speaker 1: Abby had to say how passionate she still was about 403 00:20:01,840 --> 00:20:03,960 Speaker 1: her work, because it's almost like this is the line 404 00:20:04,000 --> 00:20:06,760 Speaker 1: she would have had to tell her bosses. I am 405 00:20:06,880 --> 00:20:09,120 Speaker 1: really like, I do want to come back to work. Yeah. 406 00:20:09,119 --> 00:20:11,320 Speaker 1: I think it's that old tripe that women get fed 407 00:20:11,359 --> 00:20:14,200 Speaker 1: that you might think that you want to go back 408 00:20:14,240 --> 00:20:17,000 Speaker 1: to work, but once you've had a baby, yeah, everything 409 00:20:17,040 --> 00:20:18,480 Speaker 1: in your whole life is going to change and you're 410 00:20:18,480 --> 00:20:20,760 Speaker 1: just gonna want to be at home looking after your baby. 411 00:20:20,800 --> 00:20:22,800 Speaker 1: And that's fine if that does happen to you, But 412 00:20:22,800 --> 00:20:25,520 Speaker 1: it's also fine as a working woman if you're like, actually, 413 00:20:25,840 --> 00:20:28,240 Speaker 1: do you know what I still want to do my career? 414 00:20:28,320 --> 00:20:30,240 Speaker 1: I still love it. Well, it reminds me a lot 415 00:20:30,280 --> 00:20:32,840 Speaker 1: of when Sophie and I were both pregnant, and we 416 00:20:32,880 --> 00:20:35,159 Speaker 1: felt like we had to keep reiterating to our pr 417 00:20:35,280 --> 00:20:37,199 Speaker 1: clients that you know, the business is still going to 418 00:20:37,200 --> 00:20:40,399 Speaker 1: be running, We're going to return to work. Yeah. My husband, 419 00:20:40,480 --> 00:20:42,720 Speaker 1: he also runs a business. He never wants had to 420 00:20:42,760 --> 00:20:46,200 Speaker 1: have that conversation with his clients that he was returning 421 00:20:46,200 --> 00:20:48,639 Speaker 1: to work. So it really pisses me off. And there's 422 00:20:48,680 --> 00:20:51,680 Speaker 1: also a lot of pressure that women in TV face 423 00:20:51,840 --> 00:20:54,800 Speaker 1: because there is this notion of it's a real cutthroat 424 00:20:54,880 --> 00:20:58,320 Speaker 1: industry and you can be replaced. So and also forgotten 425 00:20:58,400 --> 00:21:01,520 Speaker 1: because I know Abby has stated that she wants to 426 00:21:01,520 --> 00:21:04,480 Speaker 1: be back, but there would be an element of God, 427 00:21:04,560 --> 00:21:06,520 Speaker 1: if I don't get back to my job, as you said, 428 00:21:06,520 --> 00:21:08,560 Speaker 1: I'm going to be replaced. People are going to forget 429 00:21:08,560 --> 00:21:10,720 Speaker 1: me and I won't get this gig again. Well, someone 430 00:21:10,720 --> 00:21:12,760 Speaker 1: that I used to work with in the TV industry, 431 00:21:12,880 --> 00:21:14,840 Speaker 1: she had to come back to work after having a baby. 432 00:21:14,840 --> 00:21:17,119 Speaker 1: I think it was like two weeks after giving birth 433 00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:20,040 Speaker 1: because her boss literally told her, well, the audience is 434 00:21:20,080 --> 00:21:22,400 Speaker 1: going to forget you, so you've got to come back. 435 00:21:22,480 --> 00:21:24,399 Speaker 1: I mean, that's a different scenario because it sounds like 436 00:21:24,440 --> 00:21:26,680 Speaker 1: that's not what she wanted to do. But I think 437 00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:29,560 Speaker 1: it's all about women being able to do what they 438 00:21:29,600 --> 00:21:31,480 Speaker 1: want after they have a baby, and if they've got 439 00:21:31,480 --> 00:21:34,399 Speaker 1: the support, If her husband is able to look after 440 00:21:34,760 --> 00:21:37,760 Speaker 1: their son, yeah, you know, not babysit. You know, it 441 00:21:37,880 --> 00:21:39,920 Speaker 1: is his job also to take care of his own 442 00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:43,160 Speaker 1: child at work the other five days. Yeah, no one's 443 00:21:43,160 --> 00:21:45,480 Speaker 1: having got him. But also I'm assuming if she gets 444 00:21:45,480 --> 00:21:47,600 Speaker 1: paid pretty bloody well there, so it might be a 445 00:21:47,600 --> 00:21:50,520 Speaker 1: financial decision that is best for the family. Yeah, And 446 00:21:50,720 --> 00:21:53,119 Speaker 1: I think a lot of women actually want to return 447 00:21:53,160 --> 00:21:56,240 Speaker 1: to work because you lose such a sense of identity 448 00:21:56,280 --> 00:21:58,159 Speaker 1: when you have a baby, and a lot of the 449 00:21:58,200 --> 00:22:01,359 Speaker 1: time it can be isolating. So I think that Abby 450 00:22:01,440 --> 00:22:03,640 Speaker 1: should be celebrated for this decision. I mean, I think 451 00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:05,960 Speaker 1: she's a great role model to other women who might 452 00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:08,959 Speaker 1: be thinking about having a baby. They can look at 453 00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:10,639 Speaker 1: that and go, well, yeah, you can have a baby 454 00:22:10,680 --> 00:22:13,200 Speaker 1: and you can also have your career. In saying that, though, 455 00:22:13,240 --> 00:22:14,960 Speaker 1: there are a lot of women who aren't as lucky 456 00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:17,480 Speaker 1: as Abby, and they might not get the option to 457 00:22:17,560 --> 00:22:21,280 Speaker 1: return in a part time capacity or have the flexibility 458 00:22:21,560 --> 00:22:24,800 Speaker 1: to be able to do that. With you the support 459 00:22:24,840 --> 00:22:26,640 Speaker 1: that they have, they might not have a partner that 460 00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:29,119 Speaker 1: can facilitate that, or they might not have a village 461 00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:31,320 Speaker 1: around them, So there is a lot of privilege also 462 00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:34,679 Speaker 1: involved in making that decision. Definitely stephanely a smith. She 463 00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:37,520 Speaker 1: also weighed into the drama over the weekend and she 464 00:22:37,560 --> 00:22:40,600 Speaker 1: made some really great points. So she said, honestly, over 465 00:22:40,680 --> 00:22:43,439 Speaker 1: people having a public opinion on what a woman should 466 00:22:43,440 --> 00:22:46,360 Speaker 1: and shouldn't do as a new mum, it's not your family, 467 00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:48,800 Speaker 1: so shut your trap. This is a woman who has 468 00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:51,520 Speaker 1: fucking earned her place as a commentator for the AFL 469 00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:54,200 Speaker 1: and kills it. She also loves her job and has 470 00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:57,720 Speaker 1: always been an incredibly driven woman. You can love motherhood 471 00:22:57,720 --> 00:23:01,480 Speaker 1: and embrace motherhood and work. Abby, much like myself, is 472 00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:03,800 Speaker 1: in a fortunate position where she can do bits and 473 00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:06,879 Speaker 1: pieces of work without returning full time early on. For 474 00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:09,080 Speaker 1: some women, they don't have the option and either have 475 00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:11,960 Speaker 1: to return full time or want to return full time, 476 00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:14,920 Speaker 1: and that is up to them. A mother's mental health 477 00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:17,320 Speaker 1: is imperative to the health of the baby, and for 478 00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:19,800 Speaker 1: all of us, different things fill up our cup. Her 479 00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:22,199 Speaker 1: choice may look different to what you would do, but 480 00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:25,320 Speaker 1: who bloody cares? Keep your opinions to yourself or your 481 00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:28,640 Speaker 1: bloody friendship group chat if you really need to share them. 482 00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:31,800 Speaker 1: I couldn't agree more with Steph. She hit the nail 483 00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:34,840 Speaker 1: on the head there. Why do people feel the need 484 00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:36,840 Speaker 1: to comment on the post, like, if you're not going 485 00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:39,600 Speaker 1: to wish abby well in returning, then just shut the 486 00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:42,240 Speaker 1: fuck up. I think it also didn't help the way 487 00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:45,480 Speaker 1: that the media reported on this news. So seven News 488 00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:48,920 Speaker 1: bizarrely ran with the headline much love seven star makes 489 00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:53,680 Speaker 1: career move just seven weeks after having baby, and Sky 490 00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:57,960 Speaker 1: News wrote seven presenters shock career announcement after birth of 491 00:23:58,040 --> 00:24:01,639 Speaker 1: first child, and it got worse so within seven Newser's article, 492 00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:04,680 Speaker 1: it read the new mum, however, won't be jumping back 493 00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:07,720 Speaker 1: into full time work straight away, instead planning to work 494 00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:12,119 Speaker 1: two days a week while managing her maternal duties. What 495 00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:14,960 Speaker 1: are we living in the nineteen fifties? In terms of 496 00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:19,199 Speaker 1: Seven's headline about saying just seven weeks after baby to 497 00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:21,080 Speaker 1: be fair and I don't really like to be fair 498 00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:24,000 Speaker 1: towards Channel seven, but I will in this instance. Maybe 499 00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:26,840 Speaker 1: they're building it up as in it's impressive that she's 500 00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:29,080 Speaker 1: back from such a short time. Yeah, where they kept 501 00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:30,760 Speaker 1: there was a lot of articles that mentioned the fact 502 00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:34,040 Speaker 1: that Abby had had a C section as well, saying yeah, 503 00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:35,880 Speaker 1: I can't believe that she's back. I mean, you might 504 00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:38,879 Speaker 1: be right, but can I point out most men return 505 00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:41,880 Speaker 1: to work after four weeks of having it. Maybe it's 506 00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:44,840 Speaker 1: been had three weeks off? Yeah, yeah, I mean again, 507 00:24:44,920 --> 00:24:47,400 Speaker 1: I understand that they're not recovering. And did you that's 508 00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:49,400 Speaker 1: been put out a press release to explain why he 509 00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:52,560 Speaker 1: was back at Wall. No, he did not. Well, that 510 00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:54,720 Speaker 1: is where we're going to leave things today. If you 511 00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:57,239 Speaker 1: do enjoy the podcast, we would really appreciate it if 512 00:24:57,280 --> 00:24:59,639 Speaker 1: you could leave us a five star review, and if 513 00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:01,480 Speaker 1: you do, we want to hear more content from us. 514 00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:05,640 Speaker 1: We drop a subscribers only episode every Thursday where we 515 00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:09,360 Speaker 1: discussed extra influencer topics. It's a lot of fun. 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