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Speaker 1: Hello, Katie Wolf and three point sixty online at Mix

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Speaker 1: one O four nine dot com. You well, as we know,

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Speaker 1: there has certainly been a worker shortage. I think we're

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Speaker 1: being you know, it's being experienced all around Australia, you'd

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Speaker 1: in the Top End and in the Northern Territory more generally.

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Speaker 1: We have read in the paper today that Tourism Central

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Speaker 1: Australia has said that in some situations they are actually

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Speaker 1: well having to reduce the hotel occupancy to try and

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Speaker 1: cope with this forced worker shortage. Now joining us on

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Speaker 1: things are going here in the top end, we have

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Speaker 1: got Tourism Top End General Manager Glenn Hinley.

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Speaker 2: Good morning to you, Glenn.

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Speaker 3: Hey Katie Wolf, good morning. How are you?

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Speaker 2: Oh very well.

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Speaker 1: I think there's a lot of territorianess who are probably

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Speaker 1: struggling a little bit this morning.

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Speaker 2: Glen. From going to the.

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Speaker 1: Hospitality Awards last night, it was a fantastic evening.

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Speaker 3: They had such a great evening because their host was.

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Speaker 2: It was just great, Oh thank you.

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Speaker 3: Celebration of hospitality and tourism and to see so many

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Speaker 3: workers who have struggled, people in our hospitality ranks have

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Speaker 3: struggled throughout this last year, and to come together and

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Speaker 3: celebrate great service, great businesses across the territory and all

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Speaker 3: made it more special to have you comparing it to

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Speaker 3: thank you.

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Speaker 1: Well yeah, I you know, I totally agree with the

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Speaker 1: talk at our talk about our hospitality and our tourism

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Speaker 1: It was a fantastic night and fantastic to acknowledge all

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Speaker 1: of that hard work.

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Speaker 3: And hospitality and tea. Yeah, the job on the launch last.

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Speaker 1: Night, absolutely, and Glenn, we know that you know that

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Speaker 1: across all of these industries, particularly in tourism and hospitality,

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Speaker 1: but also even for our farmers. We've got a real

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Speaker 1: in Central Australia it's certainly having a real impact. Daniel

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Speaker 1: Rochford's told the NT News that due to a shortage

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Speaker 1: of important staff like cleaners and cooks, some hotels in

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Speaker 1: the region had been forced to decrease their capacities. How

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Speaker 3: Well, I think we're moving forward a little bit better

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Speaker 3: But I think it's still very, very difficult, and it's

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Speaker 3: And there's a few different reasons for that. I think

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Speaker 3: one of the key things, and what we collectively are

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Speaker 3: Because one of the things we can see straight away,

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Speaker 3: we've got a workstay play program similar to what other

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Speaker 3: And it's one thing to go on market and get

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Speaker 3: very competitive workplace, but where are they going to stay?

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Speaker 1: From it from our perspective locally, I mean, I know

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Speaker 3: With taking up a second job, so being able to

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Speaker 3: that was a great outcome. Four eight visas enabling people

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Speaker 3: So one of those things is those people who are already

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Speaker 3: which is and it's not for everybody, this one. But

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Speaker 3: we also are blessed to have literally thousands and thousands

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Speaker 3: frees up local workforce who are here in the territory

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Speaker 1: Well, that's something that Senator Sam mcmahn raised with us

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Speaker 3: People get to stay stay at home and be with

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Speaker 3: There are a few challenges, however, and there are opportunities.

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Speaker 3: It's not just about restaurants and bars and housekeeping. For

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Speaker 1: We need more now, Glenn, a couple of just a

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Speaker 1: we let you go this morning. We know that there

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Speaker 2: What are they telling you? Are they? I mean, where

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Speaker 3: So the last two will next year. We certainly threw

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Speaker 3: we've got seven seasons here. Yes, this is one of

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Speaker 3: the most magnificent seasons, but there's a thing called the

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Speaker 2: And Gwen, do you reckon they're coming here?

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Speaker 1: Do you reckon that they're coming here as a result

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Speaker 1: Well, Glenn Hindley Hinley, it's always good to catch up

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Speaker 1: with you. We really appreciate your time. Thank you so

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Speaker 1: much for coming on this morning and having a chat

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Speaker 3: Thanks Katie and Congratulations to all the winners last night

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Speaker 3: at Hospitality and t Awards. It's great to see and

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Speaker 1: we'll talk to you again very soon. Glenn Henley there,

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Speaker 1: who is indeed the tourism top end general Manager,