WEBVTT - Can You Go Barefoot In The Office? 💼

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<v Speaker 1>The Flex and Rooms Daily podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>We're back Flex and Rooms Podcast edition. It's just as

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<v Speaker 2>good as the radio version, but not live.

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<v Speaker 1>I think people want to go and listen to it live.

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<v Speaker 3>Huh.

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<v Speaker 1>I think people want to go and listen to our

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<v Speaker 1>shown lives.

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<v Speaker 2>Like a second, make assumptions or assumptions.

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<v Speaker 4>All right, let's get to it. Flex Andros Flexa.

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<v Speaker 1>We are both Internet girlies, were constantly online. I quite

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<v Speaker 1>like it, Like I don't really have a negative experience online.

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<v Speaker 4>No, I like it.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that my perception of it changes based on

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<v Speaker 2>who's observing my experience online. So when people thought influencers

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<v Speaker 2>were lame, I was like, is this lame? Then they

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<v Speaker 2>started making money. Now everyone wants to be like, oh

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<v Speaker 2>my god.

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<v Speaker 4>It's say greatly, you doing so inspiring? Is a big shift.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a big shift.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know when you're an influencer and I knew

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<v Speaker 1>and I didn't know you. I didn't think you were

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<v Speaker 1>a cringe ebba thank you, but I did think of

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<v Speaker 1>it was an influencer. But the new breed of influencer,

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<v Speaker 1>which is actually quite appropriate for what I'm about to

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<v Speaker 1>tell you, which is, oh, a new era in Internet

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<v Speaker 1>that we have aged out of and apparently we are

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<v Speaker 1>part of a thing called millennial pause.

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<v Speaker 4>Let me play for you TBD.

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<v Speaker 3>When you say we identifies gen Z.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm more gend than you. I'm a year younger than you,

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<v Speaker 4>So okay.

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<v Speaker 5>Please sure many of us have seen videos like this

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<v Speaker 5>and this on our for you.

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<v Speaker 1>Pages and just to explain this and this, uh piece

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<v Speaker 1>to cameras, so people talking to the camera, even.

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<v Speaker 2>Saying piece to camera, are you eighty five? Just say

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<v Speaker 2>recording with the phone and selfie my piece to camera?

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<v Speaker 2>See gen Z boomer?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I'll take boomer. This is a crush generational radio show.

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<v Speaker 5>It's called are you sure You're not guilty of the

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<v Speaker 5>millennial pause?

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<v Speaker 3>And the millennial pause.

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<v Speaker 5>Is a phrase that was coined by a creator named

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<v Speaker 5>Lisa and is that split second between when a millennial

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<v Speaker 5>hits record and when they start talking because they're checking

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<v Speaker 5>to make sure that their camera actually is recording. I

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<v Speaker 5>thought this was a super funny observation and also part

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<v Speaker 5>of a larger trend that I've been seeing, which is

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<v Speaker 5>basically that millennials are aging.

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<v Speaker 3>Out of the Internet.

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<v Speaker 5>I don't mean we can't use it anymore, that we

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<v Speaker 5>don't belong here but that the Internet that we built

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<v Speaker 5>and used for the past fifteen years is not the

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<v Speaker 5>Internet that we are on anymore. But millennials are still

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<v Speaker 5>using a lot of the hallmarks and behavior and ticks

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<v Speaker 5>from that old Internet. Michael is one of the creators

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<v Speaker 5>who makes those millennial parity videos, and he explained it

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<v Speaker 5>to me like this, The way the quintessential millennial behaves

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<v Speaker 5>online is basically a bunch of silly little nuances strung

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<v Speaker 5>together to create a personality that is very giddy and

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<v Speaker 5>excitable about the normal or mundane zooming in on our faces,

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<v Speaker 5>talking in a BuzzFeed accent, using Internet speak in real

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<v Speaker 5>life where it's like doggo or I did a thing.

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<v Speaker 5>Those are all millennial Internet issms, and if you use them,

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<v Speaker 5>you've just immediately added yourself as a millennial longline.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll leave it there, And you sure thought it's FLEXI

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<v Speaker 2>I do recognize that. I thought it was a content

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<v Speaker 2>creator versus a non content creative thing, because I feel

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<v Speaker 2>as though when you do this regularly enough, you develop

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<v Speaker 2>a sense of confidence and easy Like I've pressed it.

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<v Speaker 2>It's on all you're smart enough to edit out that

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<v Speaker 2>really awkward gap when.

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<v Speaker 3>You're like, oh, I'm checking.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm checking it exists.

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<v Speaker 2>I've seen it, maybe myself, maybe in others, but yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it definitely exists. To call it a millennial pause, I think,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, it's referring to a very specific type of

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<v Speaker 2>millennial who publishes on the internet, who is like on

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<v Speaker 2>the younger end of the spectrum. I don't think it's

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<v Speaker 2>like a generational thing. I also think it can become

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<v Speaker 2>a really slippery slope to like pathologize every single human

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<v Speaker 2>thing to do. Everybody checks before they record a video.

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<v Speaker 2>Unless you're doing an Instagram story or a Snapchat, we've

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<v Speaker 2>already held the button, and holding the button indicates it's recording.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm a different platform, different vibe.

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<v Speaker 1>See, I totally disagree. I feel like it's the older

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<v Speaker 1>millennials that do it. It's like when a yoga teach

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<v Speaker 1>comes on to explain their class or whatever, and they

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<v Speaker 1>like it's a specific thing that they do with their

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<v Speaker 1>eyes as well. Obviously they're looking, but it's also like

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<v Speaker 1>looking at the cameras on looking at themselves out Whereas

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<v Speaker 1>when you're doing a piece of camera, I think you

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<v Speaker 1>often need to make sure you're not looking at yourself

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<v Speaker 1>because it becomes really obvious, but also looking straight down

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<v Speaker 1>the barrel of the camera is also scary.

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<v Speaker 2>The youngest millennials at the moment would be twenty six

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<v Speaker 2>and the oldest would be forty.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's forty year olds that do it more

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<v Speaker 1>than twenty six year olds. Yeah. Well, I also like

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<v Speaker 1>pathologizing things because it's about time that millennials started getting

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<v Speaker 1>some boomer treatment. And I was also thinking, like gen Z,

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<v Speaker 1>sure gen zs that we aren't part of because again

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<v Speaker 1>I consider us CUSP and more gen Z adjacent. There's

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<v Speaker 1>going to be things that they do that are then

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<v Speaker 1>going to become embarrassing. Let me name a few minions

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<v Speaker 1>minion obsessions doing this yew like, how would you describe

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<v Speaker 1>that when you put your two point things together?

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<v Speaker 4>I do puppy dog guys.

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<v Speaker 3>I hate that.

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<v Speaker 4>Hey really I love it.

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<v Speaker 1>And I will say I have been guilty of doing

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<v Speaker 1>the millennial pause, but it's only when I started going

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<v Speaker 1>on TikTok and making tiktoks. Because if you record on Instagram,

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<v Speaker 1>like I, press the button straight away, it captures pretty

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<v Speaker 1>much everything that you've said. But sometimes if you press

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<v Speaker 1>it too quickly and start talking, it.

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<v Speaker 2>Misses the first like vowel Yeah, I agree, But on

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<v Speaker 2>TikTok you have the millennial breath. Though, when you start

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<v Speaker 2>a sentence you go it's do I absolutely?

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<v Speaker 4>What's the opposite?

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<v Speaker 2>You're like, this is this is an example? I'll be like, hey, sweetie,

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<v Speaker 2>is flexing rooms? You'll be like, hey, everyone, is.

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<v Speaker 4>That a bad thing? Brooke, I'm talking about producer. Leave

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<v Speaker 4>Brook out of it.

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<v Speaker 1>I like it because it's kind of like HARKing back,

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<v Speaker 1>harkening back to, you know, the oldie world of broadcasting.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just living my dream. And if everyone else doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>like it, you know, you know what you've done. Just then,

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<v Speaker 1>now everyone listening to this is gonna wait for.

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<v Speaker 4>Flex and frooms right now.

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<v Speaker 3>Now we have a bit of a moral dilemma. Listen

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<v Speaker 3>to this.

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<v Speaker 2>Do I tell my coworker that she's going to be

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<v Speaker 2>laid off soon?

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<v Speaker 4>Do you see?

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<v Speaker 2>Basically what's happened is that within the last year they've

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<v Speaker 2>had this sweet and hard working employee on their team. However,

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<v Speaker 2>despite working hard and putting in an extra effort, she's

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<v Speaker 2>not able to meet the standards or catch up to

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<v Speaker 2>the standards of the other coworkers. This person says, believe me,

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<v Speaker 2>when they say they've had they've had to put more

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<v Speaker 2>than triple the amount of work that others do just

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<v Speaker 2>to get to not even the same point. They're incredibly respectful, helpful, generous, hardworking,

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<v Speaker 2>and considerate, and they're also quite older with this single

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<v Speaker 2>income as their sole livelihood.

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<v Speaker 3>Do that makes sense? I don't know. Yeah, I get it.

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<v Speaker 2>My work environment, however, can be toxic. With our manager

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<v Speaker 2>practically announcing it to the team that this employee's ours

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<v Speaker 2>will be cut and eventually terminated. Do I let my

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<v Speaker 2>coworker know of their eventual fate so they can prepare,

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<v Speaker 2>or do I continue to say nothing and wait in

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<v Speaker 2>fear of repercussions. Additionally, I haven't been working for long.

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<v Speaker 2>Is this naive to consider? Yet hate it? It's a

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<v Speaker 2>shame because there just the way that work environments are

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<v Speaker 2>set up. Even if you are all friendly and chill

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<v Speaker 2>and comfortable, it does feel a bit like a dog

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<v Speaker 2>eat dog world, like you're all there for a joint reason.

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<v Speaker 2>But the stakes are high for different people. So it's

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<v Speaker 2>a shame that someone you like a lot it's just

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<v Speaker 2>not meeting standards.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but what are you gonna do?

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<v Speaker 1>Do you be the one to break the bad news.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>See, part of what I'm learning as I get older

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<v Speaker 2>is that there is a virtue in minding your own

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<v Speaker 2>business and not like letting your ego decide that you

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<v Speaker 2>deserve to be the center of someone else's narrative just

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<v Speaker 2>because you feel bad or feel good or whatever. But

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<v Speaker 2>then on the other end of the spectrum, I really

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<v Speaker 2>like considering that we're all responsible for each other. And

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<v Speaker 2>so if I know this information, why wouldn't I tell her? Like,

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<v Speaker 2>why wouldn't I share it with her? Why would I

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<v Speaker 2>keep her at a loop? It's her business? Why do

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<v Speaker 2>I know so?

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<v Speaker 1>FLEXI This poor woman, let's call her Sandra. Sandra has

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<v Speaker 1>been working at a new company for quite a while.

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<v Speaker 1>I think she's a new employee. She's busting her bussy

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<v Speaker 1>to be a good employee, to try and get work done.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's taking her three times as long to do

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<v Speaker 1>a job that is quite easy, and we are trying

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<v Speaker 1>to decide if it's worth Another employee who is a

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<v Speaker 1>protagonist in this question, should she let Sandra know that

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<v Speaker 1>she's about to get cut?

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<v Speaker 2>What do you reckon? Like, let's take it out of

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<v Speaker 2>the context of Sandra and whoever is her name? Sandra?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, call her hen Creative Liberty.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's just imagine we're in a similar scenario. Imagine some

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<v Speaker 2>of the old work environments you've been in where you

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<v Speaker 2>can imagine this is happening to someone.

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<v Speaker 3>What would you do? I feel like I have seen

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<v Speaker 3>this happen before, have you sure? In some ways? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 3>I think so.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, when someone's not pulling their weight and everyone

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<v Speaker 1>knows it but them either they're quite a shy person

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<v Speaker 1>or they're quite sweet, or I don't know the status quo,

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<v Speaker 1>they're not gelling in terms of like social interactions in

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<v Speaker 1>the office. If I was put in this situation, I

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<v Speaker 1>would make hints to Sandra, but I wouldn't tell her outright.

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<v Speaker 3>Just an example for example, I'd.

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<v Speaker 1>Be like, Oh, how did you feel about like that interaction?

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<v Speaker 1>Like I might see someone in the office kind of

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<v Speaker 1>like blowing them off or them like not really getting

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<v Speaker 1>the work, Like, oh, how do you feel about that?

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, yeah, damn, I've been in that position before,

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<v Speaker 1>Like do you think it's just not really like? Do

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<v Speaker 1>you like working here? Kind of put it back on them?

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<v Speaker 4>So do you even like this.

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<v Speaker 3>A self reflection? Yeah, And like do you want to quit?

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<v Speaker 4>Put the seed of doubt in their heads.

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<v Speaker 1>So they're questioning because whether or not they know it,

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<v Speaker 1>you know when things aren't working, like you know, when

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<v Speaker 1>you're not one hundred percent jelling. I think for the

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<v Speaker 1>for the most part, you might know it's as dire

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<v Speaker 1>as you're going about to get fired. Usually have some

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<v Speaker 1>sort of idea, so I'd warm them up to it.

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<v Speaker 1>My issue with telling them is that things change. They

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<v Speaker 1>could have a blow up, and you know, they might

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<v Speaker 1>get parleyed into a different role in the business and

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<v Speaker 1>be fantastic at it.

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<v Speaker 4>And then what do you look like?

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<v Speaker 1>You look like A you were trying to sabotage them,

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<v Speaker 1>or B you were getting in the way of someone

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<v Speaker 1>else's business. It's like when you have an issue with

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<v Speaker 1>a friend of yours and you tell another friend venting,

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<v Speaker 1>and then they go and tell the friend, not giving

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<v Speaker 1>you the not giving you the chance to tell your

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<v Speaker 1>own story and give the reasons why. So let's say

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<v Speaker 1>this woman is hearing the chatter about Sander and needing

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<v Speaker 1>to yeat off. She might not be hearing the whole story,

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<v Speaker 1>and she probably isn't equipped to tell her that news.

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<v Speaker 1>She could probably be doing more harm because, believe it

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<v Speaker 1>or not, I haven't had very good experiences with HR.

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<v Speaker 2>But HR is there for a reason. I have never

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<v Speaker 2>had a proper HR before.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, that's pretty regular given you work in media.

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<v Speaker 2>But even yeah, I think it's a media thing. The

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<v Speaker 2>point you made before, this idea that things change. What

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<v Speaker 2>the information was when you heard it might not be

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<v Speaker 2>the outcome of what's gonna happen, and so you intercepting

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<v Speaker 2>at this very point could be the thing that derails

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<v Speaker 2>what's happening. But I also feel like this issue with

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<v Speaker 2>Sandra may she restu.

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<v Speaker 1>Viasuring Sandra Bullet in that movie where she's like on

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<v Speaker 1>a lake.

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<v Speaker 2>It reminds me of this myth of meritocracy, this idea

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<v Speaker 2>if you work really hard, you'll be rewarded fairly and

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<v Speaker 2>compensated for your efforts, and that your efforts should mean

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<v Speaker 2>that you're doing well, that you're improving. And it must

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<v Speaker 2>be a weird thing for Sandra to eventually hear that

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<v Speaker 2>even though you're working really hard, you're putting in three

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<v Speaker 2>times the work you're really you know, lovely and charismatic

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<v Speaker 2>people like you, You're gonna get fined. It's just not good enough.

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<v Speaker 2>What kind of messaging is that? I also find that

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<v Speaker 2>wouldn't this be the kind of employee to invest your

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<v Speaker 2>time and energy into, because very rarely do you find

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<v Speaker 2>people who are pleasant to be around and willing to

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<v Speaker 2>work to do the job with a little bit of direction,

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<v Speaker 2>could they not turn out to be someone who is

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<v Speaker 2>amazing for the team? And this emphasis that this poster

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<v Speaker 2>made on you know Sandra's a bit older, It's like, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>so you've set her up Like I've known a bunch

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<v Speaker 2>of incompetent young people who were just allowed to stay

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<v Speaker 2>because the value of their presence was assumed to be

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<v Speaker 2>higher because they're young, and like, you know, young people

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<v Speaker 2>know how to do stuff, and you know that person's old,

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<v Speaker 2>they can't learn blah lah lah. Still, in this instance,

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<v Speaker 2>I say, it's a dog eat dog world. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>our situations are never equally yoked. It's unfortunate. But mind

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<v Speaker 2>your business. Unless you really feel like you're gonna ride

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<v Speaker 2>for Sandra the full way through, don't do this saviorism thing.

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<v Speaker 2>We're gonna jump in like I really really bad and

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<v Speaker 2>I really want to help Sandro. What are you gonna be?

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<v Speaker 2>What you what are you willing to do Like you're

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<v Speaker 2>you gonna talk to your higher ups for her. You

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<v Speaker 2>know you're gonna step in when times get You're going

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<v Speaker 2>to vouch for her personally. If you're not really going

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<v Speaker 2>to do what it takes a shop for her in

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<v Speaker 2>a way that's going to be conducive to the outcome

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<v Speaker 2>of her keeping her job.

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<v Speaker 3>Stay out of it, babe.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I want her to walk away and think, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but the memories I made I will cherish to ever

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<v Speaker 1>with these colleagues. Yeah, and make him just blame whoever's

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<v Speaker 1>higher up than you exactly. That's the goal. Yes, remain innocent.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, give platitudes, vibe out platitudes, cliches. The best thing

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<v Speaker 2>you can do for Sandra is make the last couple

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<v Speaker 2>months she has at work the most enjoyable.

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<v Speaker 1>Mmm.

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<v Speaker 2>Free coffees, yes, yes, laugh a little bit more, tell stories,

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<v Speaker 2>enjoy you know. See if you know, you know any

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<v Speaker 2>friends in the Grapevine who can hire her like that

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<v Speaker 2>would be amazing.

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<v Speaker 3>As for this job in Sandra, Mmmm, it's a shame.

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<v Speaker 4>This is flex and frooms.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to tell you a bit of a fact

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<v Speaker 2>I read on the internet that I'm very surprised by

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<v Speaker 2>it did come from a verifiable, reputable sauce world atlist

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<v Speaker 2>dot com. The logos are glow, so it looks legit

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<v Speaker 2>to me. They have this tear list of the animals

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<v Speaker 2>that kill the most people. What do you think is

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<v Speaker 2>number one?

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<v Speaker 4>Bees?

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<v Speaker 3>Number two?

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<v Speaker 4>Dogs, number three bullants?

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<v Speaker 2>Wrong?

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<v Speaker 4>Wrong, and wrong.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to read from the most to the least kills.

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<v Speaker 2>Number one mosquitos. I didn't know mosquitoes were animals. There

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<v Speaker 2>were bugs, but beggars. The choosing a serious Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 2>thought mosquitoes are bugs. Bugs are animals. I don't think

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<v Speaker 2>so that's a whole other thing. Two humans, humans skill

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<v Speaker 2>humans are true. Well, then I didn't think we were animals, right,

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<v Speaker 2>that's what I'm saying, followed by snake, dog, setsy fly,

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<v Speaker 2>assassin bug, freshwater snail, ascaris, roundworm, tapeworm, and crocodile. Is

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<v Speaker 2>that completely nonsense. I'm not sure where are these stats

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<v Speaker 2>coming from. Don't ask, but I'm happy to go with it.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm surprised by the crocodile because one thousand people a year. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>a thousand people are eaten by crocodiles a year. I think,

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<v Speaker 1>so that's wild. That's my biggest fear no way. Seriously,

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<v Speaker 1>I have dreams about a crocodile.

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<v Speaker 4>A crocodile. Sorry, got something on my brain today. I

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<v Speaker 4>always have dreams.

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<v Speaker 1>About crocodiles grabbing me and spinning me around on the

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<v Speaker 1>bottom of.

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<v Speaker 4>The floor, like the floor of the ocean. Yeah, the river.

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<v Speaker 4>They're not ocean. Okay, sorry, I'm sorry.

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<v Speaker 1>But actually they could be. So don't take my word.

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<v Speaker 4>This is flex and Frooms.

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<v Speaker 2>It's going to be a full show full of advice

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<v Speaker 2>because the people need answers and life is really difficult

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<v Speaker 2>to do alone.

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<v Speaker 3>So why not lean on two girls.

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<v Speaker 1>From Australia who have no psychology degrees? And I guess

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<v Speaker 1>some life experience says more limited than other.

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<v Speaker 4>Perhaps I'll let you decide.

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<v Speaker 2>This person says, am I the asshole for telling my

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<v Speaker 2>coworker I will cover up my shoulders when he starts

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<v Speaker 2>wearing shoes off the bat. I'm very confused, but let's

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<v Speaker 2>just see what where this takes us. So this person says,

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<v Speaker 2>my workplace doesn't have a dress code, so everyone dresses

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<v Speaker 2>very casually. Today I was wearing a top with thin

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<v Speaker 2>straps with long pants, and my shoulders were showing. Sounds

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<v Speaker 2>chill to me, but I also wear my whole mid

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<v Speaker 2>drift out at all times. One of the coworkers, Brian,

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<v Speaker 2>was giving me angry looks all day, and when I

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<v Speaker 2>finally asked him what's wrong, he told me that he

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<v Speaker 2>thought better of me than to dress in barely any

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<v Speaker 2>clothes to work at that.

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<v Speaker 4>Moment, giving Virgin no offense.

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<v Speaker 2>At that moment, Brian was wearing pretty short shorts and

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<v Speaker 2>was barefoot. He dressed like this the whole summer. The

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<v Speaker 2>office is carpeted. He only puts on his slippers if

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<v Speaker 2>he's going to the bathroom or the kitchen.

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<v Speaker 4>Yuck, tinier.

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<v Speaker 2>I told Brian that I will start covering up my

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<v Speaker 2>shoulders when he starts wearing shoes to the office. If

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<v Speaker 2>I have to watch his hairy toes at work, he

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<v Speaker 2>can deal with the sight of my shoulders.

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<v Speaker 4>That, of course didn't help.

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<v Speaker 2>He put on his headphones and didn't even look in

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<v Speaker 2>my direction the rest of the workday.

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<v Speaker 4>Now I'm wondering if.

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<v Speaker 2>I was wrong to say that he's a coworker and

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<v Speaker 2>I should thrive for good work relationships. But I felt insulted,

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<v Speaker 2>so I kicked back at him. Am I the asshole?

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<v Speaker 2>Before you share?

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<v Speaker 4>Your thoughts.

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<v Speaker 2>I encourage us both just sit into our brains for

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<v Speaker 2>a second. Think about how we would feel at Cado

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<v Speaker 2>if somebody said to us verbatim that they thought better

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<v Speaker 2>of us than to dress in barely any clothes.

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<v Speaker 3>Did she take it too far? What do you think?

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<v Speaker 4>No, not at all.

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<v Speaker 1>I love that she has a little thing to get

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<v Speaker 1>him on, which is him not wearing shoes. It's the

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<v Speaker 1>perfect like throw back in the face. Yes, it reminds

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<v Speaker 1>me in year nine, my friend Rachel, We're at school

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<v Speaker 1>and we were wearing I think it was like pe

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<v Speaker 1>so you could see her brass traps under her little top.

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<v Speaker 1>And this teacher fully was like, you can't show your

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<v Speaker 1>brass traps to school, And no other teacher did it.

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<v Speaker 4>He was a bit odd. Oh yeah, there we go,

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<v Speaker 4>and he said too much.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it was giving, like it was a It was

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<v Speaker 1>very odd. I remember even thinking it was odd back then. Personally,

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<v Speaker 1>I am seeing things as you're telling me this story.

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<v Speaker 1>The guy is giving and no offense to anyone who

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<v Speaker 1>fits into these stereotypes.

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<v Speaker 4>The guy is no offense. That's my new thing.

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<v Speaker 1>He is giving Kumbaya ishka energy incense Byron Bay ten

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<v Speaker 1>years ago, so true Byron Bay, like true neutral Byron Bay.

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<v Speaker 1>She is giving city girl. She's a city girl, could

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<v Speaker 1>have been from Bartowance to pray no longer.

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<v Speaker 4>Exists, but she per exists, doesn't. Yeah, oh, pardon me,

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<v Speaker 4>so pray.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's say cotton on little Sydney Sweeney Cross race back.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I get it.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean this is easy. Clearly he's got to stick

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<v Speaker 1>up his boomba.

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<v Speaker 2>This feels like one of those instances. If you're noticing it,

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<v Speaker 2>it's because you're looking. You should pay attention.

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<v Speaker 4>Look at your screen, look at your phone, look at

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<v Speaker 4>the bathroom, look at the kitchen.

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<v Speaker 2>If you're looking at her shoulders so much that they're offending,

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<v Speaker 2>you stop looking at her. That's all I want to say,

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<v Speaker 2>because in this instance, I feel like, sure, I think

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<v Speaker 2>that he should be allowed to go barefoot in this

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<v Speaker 2>casual office. If that's the vibe they're curating, it seems

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<v Speaker 2>like it's appropriate. Goes both ways. If I don't like feet,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not going to look at his feet. He brought

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<v Speaker 2>up the shoulders, she brought up the feet. She's not

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<v Speaker 2>the asshole, And I think that she needs to stand

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<v Speaker 2>her ground on this one because she goes back to

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<v Speaker 2>him and starts apologizing for what isn't an issue. It'll

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<v Speaker 2>create this weird dynamic where she has to be apologetic

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<v Speaker 2>about showing up to work comfortably to do her job.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it all just sounds like it's a hot climate.

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<v Speaker 1>And I mean, what would you prefer her very long

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<v Speaker 1>sleeve top? Maybe she doesn't wear deodorant like maybe that.

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<v Speaker 1>If it doesn't work out well, I suggest her where

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<v Speaker 1>a full strength wooly jumper. Yep, don't wear deodorant, don't shower,

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<v Speaker 1>and then we'll see.

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<v Speaker 4>If he prefers her shoulders. Make them suffer easy.

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<v Speaker 1>As you've been listening to the Flex and Frooms Daily

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