Speaker 1: Flex and Frooms, Flex and Frooms. This is the Flex
Speaker 1: and Frooms catch up podcast.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this podcast is going to be a doozy because
Speaker 2: unfortunately a big chunk of men are going to be
Speaker 2: infertile by twenty sixty.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: I feel like by that point those science would have
Speaker 2: figured out a way to ensure that's.
Speaker 1: On an issue defo defo for the rest of the population.
Speaker 2: And also we're going to chat about if all of
Speaker 2: the objects in the world had feelings and could express them,
Speaker 2: what would they say and would you listen to them?
Speaker 1: You're listening to Flex and Rooms on Kata.
Speaker 2: Here's been a thought experiment for the girlies with flex
Speaker 2: and Rooms. By the way, if your objects could talk,
Speaker 2: would you respect their wishes? Listen to this from a
Speaker 2: TikToker called Amber Rice LFT.
Speaker 3: Let's see that cars suddenly said, you know what, we're
Speaker 3: not just objects for you to use. We're human and
Speaker 3: we have wants and we have needs, and we have dignity,
Speaker 3: and we are no longer just gonna let you use
Speaker 3: us in the way that you've used us forever. If
Speaker 3: these cars were like, I don't really want to take
Speaker 3: you to work anymore. I don't really want your kids
Speaker 3: in the car. I don't like how there have been
Speaker 3: fourteen rotting chicken nuggets underneath this car seat, ruining my upholstery.
Speaker 4: Why do you think about it? Though?
Speaker 2: And I will say, by the time you get to
Speaker 2: the end of this lengthy TikTok, she goes on to say,
Speaker 2: that's the difference, or that's the fundamental issue with why
Speaker 2: a lot of men are so opposed to feminism, because
Speaker 2: the way that the patriarchy has made them perceive women
Speaker 2: is as an object who's now asking for rights but
Speaker 2: also to have their wants and need.
Speaker 4: To respect it. And everyone's like, oh since when? Since when?
Speaker 2: And so I thought about that though, Like imagine if
Speaker 2: the chairs were sitting there right now were like do
Speaker 2: you mind getting up in five minutes?
Speaker 1: Like let's hey, you stop body shaming, mate.
Speaker 4: Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Or if this microphone was like, oh, I just don't
Speaker 2: feel comfortable with you using me today, Like how long
Speaker 2: do you think it's gonna be? Do you think you
Speaker 2: could come in on a different be Like that's the
Speaker 2: most deranged thing I've ever heard in my life.
Speaker 1: I think this applies to people who are vegan and
Speaker 1: how they feel about animals. Yeah, because honestly, I don't
Speaker 1: really think about well, I obviously don't think about animals
Speaker 1: because I eat them and animal products every day. But
Speaker 1: I think this must be how people who choose to
Speaker 1: not do that feel about animals, even though they can't talk.
Speaker 1: So I don't think this is totally out of reality.
Speaker 2: Not that it's out of reality, but it's the idea
Speaker 2: that if these things that we feel that we have
Speaker 2: dominion over just by virtue of us being able to
Speaker 2: like exercise our power over it and be able to
Speaker 2: say anything. It's like people think they're so above reproach,
Speaker 2: like they could never be the guy or the person
Speaker 2: or the girl who would take away someone's right or
Speaker 2: like exercise power over them. But you do it every day,
Speaker 2: and we would be really hard pressed to do otherwise
Speaker 2: if it really came to it. Like imagine if you
Speaker 2: were going to get into an uber and the car
Speaker 2: was like, oh sorry, I'm not getting a good vibe.
Speaker 1: You'd be like, shut up, zero starts.
Speaker 2: Your water bottle was like, I just don't think it's
Speaker 2: working out between us.
Speaker 1: It has been trying to like it is falling to pieces.
Speaker 4: It's protesting.
Speaker 2: I will say I feel like if everything had a voice,
Speaker 2: we'd be worse people.
Speaker 1: Why is that?
Speaker 2: I mean, right now, we all kind of had this
Speaker 2: entitlement right to things like because I paid for it,
Speaker 2: I should use it however I want you whenever I
Speaker 2: want you in the way that I want to. But
Speaker 2: if that thing had a voice, I think I would
Speaker 2: still feel that way, and then I would double down.
Speaker 1: Yeah, totally. How dare I literally paid.
Speaker 4: Money for you?
Speaker 1: Shut up?
Speaker 2: This just in Most men in the US and Europe
Speaker 2: could be infertile by twenty sixty according.
Speaker 4: To a new study.
Speaker 2: This is scary things because I feel like what pop
Speaker 2: culture and the media have been warning us about is
Speaker 2: women becoming infertile being the sole reason why humanity.
Speaker 4: Ceases to exist.
Speaker 1: That's alone.
Speaker 4: Just like they put the blame on Eve.
Speaker 1: It all started with Eve, didn't it.
Speaker 2: It's the Adams right now. What's concerning is when I
Speaker 2: was reading this article, they actually don't know why this
Speaker 2: is happening.
Speaker 1: I know why, but continue, Okay, they.
Speaker 2: Don't know why this is happening. They've just looked at
Speaker 2: sperm count to the last fifty years and said it's
Speaker 2: been steadily declining to a point that if it declines
Speaker 2: in the same way then men in Virtil twenty sixty
Speaker 2: obviously US and Europe. Now they've not included men in Asia,
Speaker 2: in Africa and Australia. I don't know what they're doing
Speaker 2: differently that these other men aren't doing, but they should
Speaker 2: definitely reach out to each other and share some tips.
Speaker 1: I listen to a podcast okay, and read some articles
Speaker 1: okay about how like you really shouldn't listen, like, you know,
Speaker 1: when you're in bed, if you're a guy, you shouldn't
Speaker 1: have your laptop on your lap because they hate is
Speaker 1: really bad football.
Speaker 2: That's why they calling them laptops, started calling them notebooks.
Speaker 1: Oh really, but it's not the same effect for women allegedly,
Speaker 1: Oh really. Yeah, maybe because all of our like overreat
Speaker 1: and stuff like more hidden. Because the men's balls are like.
Speaker 2: Out, Yeah, so what do you think they were putting
Speaker 2: laptops on their lap, the.
Speaker 1: Laptops and the phones in the pocket. That's why we
Speaker 1: also need men to.
Speaker 4: Start wearing bags.
Speaker 1: I realized this the other day. I was out with
Speaker 1: the guy and I was like, waitah, you've come all
Speaker 1: this way with nothing, nothing like I would never even
Speaker 1: dream of that. Literally, I'll take a bag. I don't
Speaker 1: even have anything in it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, just in case crazy. That's from childhood. I was
Speaker 2: four years old. Be like mum put tissues in my.
Speaker 1: Back, the little purse in the heels as real girl.
Speaker 2: It's very scary scenes. We don't mean to fear monger,
Speaker 2: but twenty sixty isn't that far off?
Speaker 1: Yeah, that'll be in our grandkids have kids.
Speaker 2: I mean, maybe there's nothing to be worried about because
Speaker 2: I don't know why it's happening. So maybe it's not avoidable.
Speaker 2: I mean maybe it's unavoidable. Well that's if we're still here.
Speaker 2: Do you live your life A I'll be ready by
Speaker 2: twenty forty. So it's all making sense, isn't it. Guys
Speaker 2: Plex forms on cater a few weeks ago. Now, a
Speaker 2: news story circulated around the internet. Don't switch off, even
Speaker 2: though I said a few few weeks ago, if you're
Speaker 2: anything like me, you shouldn't be reading the news because
Speaker 2: it's not good for your mental health. Instead, stay informed
Speaker 2: on a general level, but perhaps instead read a book,
Speaker 2: I would suggest Anyway, Mikayla brought this story to my attention.
Speaker 2: It was that a man lost his phone at Perisher
Speaker 2: in the snow right. Someone found it and posted in
Speaker 2: the locals group has this Anyone's phone?
Speaker 1: Unfortunately, for this punter, their screen saver was just a
Speaker 1: list of things that they want on a bucker list
Speaker 1: type scenario. Yeah, I'm going to read out this bucket
Speaker 1: list screen saver for you. On it, he wrote number
Speaker 1: one get Jackson b eighty seven kilograms huge, two quit
Speaker 1: or nicotine valin f a king. Three have twenty five
Speaker 1: five thousand dollars in bank account. Real. These all seem
Speaker 1: pretty good, I'd say, Yeah. Four, have a motorbike, Oh,
Speaker 1: be dangerous. Five get better at fighting, yeah, six, get
Speaker 1: better marks at UNI. Oh, genius.
Speaker 4: Here's where we.
Speaker 1: Get a little bit down down the up.
Speaker 4: Until then I was like, this is great.
Speaker 1: Seven have three girls on a roster, you know what,
Speaker 1: and finally don't get a haircut for three months.
Speaker 2: I back him, I really do. He's got clear, actionable goals.
Speaker 2: He's put them in a place where he will see
Speaker 2: them and be reminded of them, which anybody knows if
Speaker 2: your habit building, you have to put your goals where
Speaker 2: you can see them. He's making us off accountable by
Speaker 2: actually putting it down on paper or on virtual paper.
Speaker 2: I think it's all there was it being made fun of. Well, yes,
Speaker 2: which one in particular is hurting people's feelings?
Speaker 1: I'm gonna guess it was the three girls on the
Speaker 1: roster time someone said twenty five and have three girls
Speaker 1: on a roster loll, telling me s dreaming. I don't
Speaker 1: know if that's a bit classist.
Speaker 2: Oh, in the sense is like you can focus on
Speaker 2: one or the other, or rather energy you need to
Speaker 2: get twenty five k.
Speaker 4: You can't be focusing on girls and not three girls
Speaker 4: at that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think there's anything wrong with having the
Speaker 1: goals on your phone. But I think about this often
Speaker 1: because I've got some girlfriends that have like Pinterest boards
Speaker 1: as they're screen savers. So one had like a healthy meal,
Speaker 1: a wedding ring, like beige house like had all these things.
Speaker 1: And I don't mean beige is in boring like the house.
Speaker 1: The colorway of the whole Pinterest board was beige. Okay.
Speaker 1: She was telling me you you should do it to
Speaker 1: get what you want. And then did I make a
Speaker 1: visual screen saver as you know, not a visual learner.
Speaker 1: I'm a words girl instead. Great one at that, thanks, Han,
Speaker 1: I wrote in my notes, a list of things that
Speaker 1: I want tell her. One week later, dreams just started
Speaker 1: to come true. Yeah, so I'll say I think he
Speaker 1: ate with it, definitely, he's tapped in three girls on
Speaker 1: the roster. I think will ruffle some feathers, a bit
Speaker 1: of traumatic feathers. However, this is often what a lot
Speaker 1: of people are thinking inside, so for people to admit
Speaker 1: it is perhaps the first stage too then debunking, which
Speaker 1: day That's why a lot of.
Speaker 2: People don't get what they want, aside from obvious factors
Speaker 2: like the glass ceiling, socioeconomic status, you know, race, gender,
Speaker 2: you're in denial to yourself, like he's gone out of
Speaker 2: his way to be honest about exactly what he wants,
Speaker 2: while you, kind observer are stuck in the what will
Speaker 2: it look like? Therefore you never surpass that in a critic.
Speaker 2: Therefore you never do the small task of admitting to
Speaker 2: yourself what it is that you want. Therefore you don't
Speaker 2: get We do spit facts in the Shaman therapy to
Speaker 2: people who have stuff, and I'm not talking just like
Speaker 2: material stuff. People who often get what they want are
Speaker 2: very very forthcoming about what it is that they want.
Speaker 2: They're not hiding the ambiguity of like, oh, you know,
Speaker 2: just see noe, I want three got on the roster
Speaker 2: twenty five. Km'm not cutting my hair three months and
Speaker 2: I'm serious and I'm serious.
Speaker 1: Flax and frooms on kedus. Don't make us talk about
Speaker 1: it again. But the reason why we sound so under
Speaker 1: the weather is because we both went to a little
Speaker 1: known music festival, Splendor in the Grass in bar and
Speaker 1: Bay Hinterland slash Parklands. We didn't come out of it alive,
Speaker 1: at least not in spirit in mind. Despite seeing some
Speaker 1: incredible musical acts, I witnessed something that really shocked me
Speaker 1: to my core and disturbed me. And that is that
Speaker 1: every time we had a transfer to and from the
Speaker 1: festival to and from our accommodation in buses, why was
Speaker 1: I the only person wearing a seat belt?
Speaker 4: I didn't even know those buses had seat belts.
Speaker 1: I was so shocked, Mickey, Like, I looked around. There
Speaker 1: wasn't that many people in our bus each time, probably
Speaker 1: seven of us every time, And I look around, the
Speaker 1: seat belts are all there. And I got me thinking,
Speaker 1: why is it that when we're in an overall together,
Speaker 1: everyone's like clicking clacking back into put the seatbelt on.
Speaker 1: You didn't think about it?
Speaker 4: No, And I'm pro.
Speaker 1: Seat belt Now that you know that there was an option,
Speaker 1: would you wear one? Yeah? Do you find that? Weird?
Speaker 1: Me here? And it got me thinking, like, sorry, you go, mickey.
Speaker 5: What kind of bus was it? Just for like my contact?
Speaker 2: So this the first bus we had was one of
Speaker 2: those like eighteen seater Vans type thing. That was the
Speaker 2: first one, and the second one was a party bus.
Speaker 2: And so the seats were kind of like on the windows,
Speaker 2: kind of like on a train.
Speaker 5: You're looking at each other, looking at each other, no
Speaker 5: seat belt on the looking at each other.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I didn't feel that they had seat belts, but
Speaker 2: nobody used them, she claims.
Speaker 5: Minibus seat belts.
Speaker 1: They all had seat belts, but not even on the
Speaker 1: minibus when were wearing seat belts. And it really shocked
Speaker 1: and surprised me. And I think about it now as well.
Speaker 1: When I used to go to school, I'd get a
Speaker 1: bus to and from school and it obviously had seat
Speaker 1: belts in it, but I never wore them. Buses don't
Speaker 1: have seat belts like public buses. Was it a public not?
Speaker 4: In oh oh oh?
Speaker 1: For me?
Speaker 4: Was bougie? I forget my transform in New South Wales.
Speaker 4: Bus isn't I think it's cheap than a public bus.
Speaker 1: It was a coach. It was a coach moment, but
Speaker 1: I was like, why in the bus say this is
Speaker 1: precious cargo?
Speaker 4: But why don't public buses have seat belts them?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 1: Why don't they? Because that's crazy?
Speaker 4: They should, I ask the internet?
Speaker 2: Yeah please, Okay, So the reason why buses don't have
Speaker 2: seat belts is because large buses are heavier and distribute
Speaker 2: crash forces differently than passenger cars and light trucks.
Speaker 1: Do still not convinced.
Speaker 2: Other articles says that buses don't have seat belts because
Speaker 2: they cost and that would cost them an extra eight
Speaker 2: to fifteen k to install those things. Thanks for that, PSA.
Speaker 2: I love when you feel strongly about things.
Speaker 4: Do better. I would.
Speaker 1: It's Flex and Rooms on Kata. We had a listener DM.
Speaker 1: This is one of our favorite elements of doing this
Speaker 1: show is that we have an Instagram page Flex and
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Speaker 1: Our favorite strain is voice notes. You can send us
Speaker 1: concise thirty to sixty second voice note about something juicy.
Speaker 1: We will likely read it on air and give you
Speaker 1: unsolicited advice correct a listeners, DM does this on the show.
Speaker 1: We definitely talk about Sydney versus Melbourne a lot. I
Speaker 1: think we're in the camp of like, not verses, but
Speaker 1: rather comparing by virtue of me being from Melbourne translated
Speaker 1: into Sydney and you're doing that.
Speaker 2: I don't think they're in competition or really Sydney could
Speaker 2: never compete. Oh thank you, you're crazy to you just
Speaker 2: set it up so easy, you know, I just took
Speaker 2: the shot. Yeah, okay, no, but definitely not comparison. But
Speaker 2: sometimes it's easy to draw comparisons to increase comprehension.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, shall we veil Simpson effect? Yes, this is the
Speaker 1: DM from a listener just listening to you talk about
Speaker 1: winter not taking the girlies out winter in Melbourne slaps.
Speaker 1: I was having this discussion with friends who moved from
Speaker 1: sid the activities thrive, which surprised them because people in
Speaker 1: Sydney winter tend to retreat, when in actual fact, this
Speaker 1: is when the girls play in Melbourne. Wine's at cute
Speaker 1: wine bar, cute little gigs, a house party, an unknown
Speaker 1: person's kitchen. It's Melbournie. It's time to shine, and I
Speaker 1: think the rest of Australia doesn't realize.
Speaker 4: Sydney is hibernating. I kid you not from March the twentieth.
Speaker 2: To October the twenty ninth, and even when they're out
Speaker 2: of hibernation, you cannot count on anyone to be present.
Speaker 1: I love to see someone enjoy my home city with
Speaker 1: fresh eyes. You're bringing you a new energy to the
Speaker 1: city that I think has not been seen since the
Speaker 1: COVID lockdowns.
Speaker 2: Spare I say it's phenomenal. People's commitment to getting near it.
Speaker 2: It's very admirable. I've never seen anything like it in
Speaker 2: my life.
Speaker 1: Melbourne.
Speaker 4: No, yeah, not have the pleasure to live amongst it.
Speaker 1: The culture in Melbourne is unsurpassed. It is pretty incredible.
Speaker 1: If you love live music and sports, Melbourne is.
Speaker 2: Oh that's the other thing I was not expecting in Melbourne,
Speaker 2: this unronic interest in sports. What I would speak to people,
Speaker 2: I'm talking everybody, hotties, non hotties, corporate dogs, everyone in between.
Speaker 4: What are you doing tonight?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 4: Am I going to footy?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: The first couple times I thought it was a bit
Speaker 2: not a beer. Everybody's into the footy. And what I'm
Speaker 2: also noticing about Melbourne compared to Sydney. In Melbourne people
Speaker 2: are sports heads. People in Sydney are just athletic or
Speaker 2: like vanity athletic, right, like go to the gym, look good,
Speaker 2: not sports affiliated like that the undercurrent of the sports thing.
Speaker 2: I'm still trying to comprehend.
Speaker 1: It's pretty crazy, isn't it. I'm really like that's the
Speaker 1: one thing about being a melbourney In person, Like neither
Speaker 1: of my parents. Sweeten AFL. I know, so Sydney of
Speaker 1: you seriously coded, That's what's so upsetting. Like when I
Speaker 1: have kids, we're going to be following football team.
Speaker 3: It's just like you.
Speaker 1: I'm probably gonna go for Richmond. So please, Mickey, what
Speaker 1: do you have to say about this?
Speaker 5: My ex boyfriend lived in Melbourne, so I'm down with
Speaker 5: the Melbourne Core.
Speaker 1: So what are you going for?
Speaker 4: It's Carlton or Collingwood.
Speaker 5: He always went for the yellow team.
Speaker 1: That's the rich Okay, I'm going Richmond, Carlton or Saint Kilda.
Speaker 1: Sint Kilda's are real Like.
Speaker 5: I like Collingwood. I like the vibe, I like the uniform,
Speaker 5: I like the black and white energy stressed.
Speaker 1: Collingwood is like the meme team.
Speaker 4: Anyway, you don't have to picture better to me.
Speaker 1: People hate Collingwood. Yeah, teams, but there's a special hatred
Speaker 1: of Collingwood because they're winning. Like if no, no no
Speaker 1: for years, even like ten years ago, I dated someone
Speaker 1: who went for Collingwood.
Speaker 4: Oh so you got you got a personal right? Oh yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Enough enough flexing fromes on cater you've.
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