WEBVTT - LUKE PACKHAM -THE TRAITORS AUSTRALIA - NETWORK TEN 0:00:00.190 --> 0:00:01.650 It's in the news today, but it was actually on 0:00:01.710 --> 0:00:05.560 TV Reload, the podcast, last week. G'day guys, welcome back 0:00:05.600 --> 0:00:08.140 to TV Reload. My name is Benjamin Norris and today 0:00:08.360 --> 0:00:11.260 we are continuing our deep dive into the Traitors Australia 0:00:11.420 --> 0:00:13.680 with a man who is quickly becoming something of a 0:00:13.760 --> 0:00:18.320 reality television veteran. Luke Packham has survived Love Island, somehow 0:00:18.380 --> 0:00:20.800 survived three months on the block and now he has 0:00:20.840 --> 0:00:23.660 entered the manor alongside his twin brother Josh to take 0:00:23.720 --> 0:00:26.299 on the Traitors Australia. And I have to say, these 0:00:26.380 --> 0:00:29.300 two have given me some of my favourite moments of 0:00:29.360 --> 0:00:33.180 the season. Today Luke is refreshingly honest about watching himself 0:00:33.260 --> 0:00:36.159 back on the show, including those moments where he was 0:00:36.470 --> 0:00:40.250 absolutely convinced he had cracked the game, only to discover 0:00:40.570 --> 0:00:43.710 that confidence can be a very dangerous thing inside the manor. 0:00:43.909 --> 0:00:46.910 We also tackle those online theories about whether being a 0:00:46.990 --> 0:00:51.170 twin gave Luke and Josh an unfair advantage, including one 0:00:51.210 --> 0:00:55.930 particularly wild allegation I found online involving a name being 0:00:55.970 --> 0:00:58.800 written down on a piece of cardboard. Plus, there's also 0:00:58.810 --> 0:01:03.320 a fascinating reality TV connection involving the first eliminated contestant, 0:01:03.360 --> 0:01:06.780 Cam Merchant, that I stumbled across. And we're going to 0:01:06.840 --> 0:01:10.760 find out if Luke actually knew about it himself, because bizarrely, 0:01:10.980 --> 0:01:13.520 The Traitors isn't the first time that Luke and Josh 0:01:13.740 --> 0:01:17.280 have seemingly swiped a reality TV opportunity from Cam. And 0:01:17.319 --> 0:01:20.760 Luke reveals what actually happened behind the scenes with that, so... 0:01:21.020 --> 0:01:24.060 Some juicy goss there. We also get surprisingly candid about 0:01:24.100 --> 0:01:26.120 the block. What would have happened if one of the 0:01:26.160 --> 0:01:29.149 twins had become a traitor? And Luke reveals who he 0:01:29.209 --> 0:01:31.810 thinks has actually played the best game. There's a lot 0:01:31.850 --> 0:01:34.649 to unpack, guys, so let's bring in Luke Packham to 0:01:34.670 --> 0:01:38.200 the Podcast TV Reload. That's where I've seen him. I've 0:01:38.220 --> 0:01:38.699 seen him out. 0:01:39.319 --> 0:01:40.679 That's where you would have seen him. You would have 0:01:40.700 --> 0:01:41.440 seen him out for sure. 0:01:41.700 --> 0:01:44.600 And I think I ran into him. Don't let me go. 0:01:45.390 --> 0:01:49.780 I ran into him once at like Kmart. So random. 0:01:50.310 --> 0:01:52.950 Yeah, no, he lived there for a little bit. Besides 0:01:52.970 --> 0:01:55.610 the block, I haven't spent any time in Melbourne, but 0:01:55.670 --> 0:01:56.630 love to see him. 0:01:57.110 --> 0:01:58.590 We should talk about the block. You had such a 0:01:58.610 --> 0:01:59.890 good time making that show. 0:01:59.910 --> 0:02:03.250 Yeah, it was a long three months long. That's what 0:02:03.290 --> 0:02:03.670 that was. 0:02:04.140 --> 0:02:05.800 Yeah, a lot of the cast of The Traders was 0:02:05.820 --> 0:02:08.680 saying that you both were saying that it was the 0:02:08.740 --> 0:02:10.780 worst of all the reality shows that you'd done. 0:02:11.100 --> 0:02:15.240 Yeah, because it goes for three months. Like it's a long, 0:02:15.340 --> 0:02:19.200 long time, you know, and for us as well, a 0:02:19.240 --> 0:02:21.220 long time away from your home, your family. 0:02:21.240 --> 0:02:22.460 Yeah. 0:02:22.700 --> 0:02:24.000 It's a slog. 0:02:24.280 --> 0:02:26.980 Things happen on the show, you know, I don't, I 0:02:26.980 --> 0:02:29.120 don't love how some things work on that show and 0:02:29.180 --> 0:02:32.220 how other things play out. You know, that's why I 0:02:32.220 --> 0:02:36.020 was really happy to do The Traders because I feel like, 0:02:36.040 --> 0:02:38.280 you know, it kind of shows you exactly how you 0:02:38.300 --> 0:02:40.299 play and who you are and you can't really hide 0:02:40.320 --> 0:02:43.120 from that. So that's why I said yes to The 0:02:43.160 --> 0:02:44.149 Traders and I'm glad I did. 0:02:44.430 --> 0:02:46.990 It's a real hands-off reality show, which is amazing because 0:02:47.030 --> 0:02:49.590 like a lot of these shows have a lot of producers, 0:02:49.669 --> 0:02:52.730 you know, working behind the scenes where this is great 0:02:52.810 --> 0:02:55.010 because they literally put you in there for 12 days 0:02:55.150 --> 0:02:57.250 and it's up to you as to how much you 0:02:57.270 --> 0:02:59.370 want to fuck with your own head. Exactly. 0:02:59.490 --> 0:03:02.859 And I did a lot of that. You don't need 0:03:02.900 --> 0:03:03.619 any help with that. 0:03:03.680 --> 0:03:06.079 You just start to unravel it yourself and you just 0:03:06.139 --> 0:03:09.840 go down rabbit holes. And that's where the phase is 0:03:09.860 --> 0:03:12.980 great because you just get left and it's like, go 0:03:13.000 --> 0:03:17.290 figure it out. And yeah, your mind just goes in tangents. 0:03:17.389 --> 0:03:20.110 And yeah, that's why I really enjoyed it. 0:03:20.410 --> 0:03:22.910 Well, you gave some of the best moments of this season, 0:03:23.210 --> 0:03:25.690 I think with your brother, because yes, you managed to 0:03:25.740 --> 0:03:28.040 get a few of the traders correct, which is amazing. 0:03:28.180 --> 0:03:31.440 Kudos to that. But also your determination with some of 0:03:31.460 --> 0:03:33.980 the facts that were wrong was so delicious to watch 0:03:34.080 --> 0:03:36.190 because you guys were so onto it. You were like, 0:03:36.340 --> 0:03:39.830 it's this person. And is that been hard for you 0:03:39.870 --> 0:03:42.490 to watch? Because I could imagine people don't realize this 0:03:42.530 --> 0:03:45.250 when you're playing traders, when you're in the competition. 0:03:45.270 --> 0:03:45.370 Yeah. 0:03:45.550 --> 0:03:47.870 It's impossible to work out who these people are. 0:03:48.090 --> 0:03:48.250 Yeah. 0:03:48.410 --> 0:03:49.910 I can imagine you got a little bit drunk on 0:03:49.940 --> 0:03:53.340 the fact that you picked two. So you were like, okay. 0:03:54.820 --> 0:03:57.000 That's where your mind kind of goes. 0:03:57.360 --> 0:03:59.800 And, you know, because I played such a dangerous game of, 0:04:00.220 --> 0:04:02.880 you know, really pushing to get them out. I felt, 0:04:02.900 --> 0:04:04.880 you know, I probably went a step too far. And 0:04:04.940 --> 0:04:06.620 I was like, now there's no going back. Now I 0:04:06.680 --> 0:04:08.300 have to keep pushing because. 0:04:08.140 --> 0:04:08.940 I'm going to get murdered. 0:04:09.540 --> 0:04:12.090 And watching it back, it is nice to know that, 0:04:12.210 --> 0:04:14.110 you know, Kirby and Reese were going to murder me 0:04:14.150 --> 0:04:14.630 that night. 0:04:15.090 --> 0:04:16.529 In the end, it was a death match. 0:04:17.089 --> 0:04:19.450 And even if I'd gotten it right that night, I 0:04:19.510 --> 0:04:21.390 still would have gone home through the death match. 0:04:21.410 --> 0:04:22.570 It was already pre-decided. 0:04:22.690 --> 0:04:24.849 So, you know, I knew I had to keep making 0:04:24.890 --> 0:04:27.110 big moves and it blew up in my face. 0:04:27.589 --> 0:04:29.050 I felt so much pressure. 0:04:29.450 --> 0:04:31.510 That I had to keep going and I had to 0:04:31.550 --> 0:04:34.710 convince myself I was completely right. If not, if I 0:04:34.730 --> 0:04:37.070 went in there with any doubt, if I changed my 0:04:37.110 --> 0:04:40.650 mind and I got it wrong and Claudia actually was 0:04:40.710 --> 0:04:42.870 a traitor, I would have never lived with myself. I 0:04:42.880 --> 0:04:44.400 would have never let it down to myself. So I 0:04:44.400 --> 0:04:46.860 was like, at least if I'm right, I'm right. And 0:04:46.900 --> 0:04:49.600 if I'm wrong, at least I was always, I can 0:04:49.640 --> 0:04:51.260 leave saying, yeah, I was never going to change my 0:04:51.279 --> 0:04:52.630 mind and I was bang on it. 0:04:52.800 --> 0:04:53.960 And that's how I left. 0:04:54.360 --> 0:04:56.680 I think people want to know though, has there been 0:04:57.200 --> 0:05:01.400 any embarrassment watching it back? Do you feel a little cringierama? 0:05:01.870 --> 0:05:04.650 Like, look, of course, like, you know, I said things like, 0:05:04.690 --> 0:05:06.790 you know, if I had not been around the bush 0:05:06.810 --> 0:05:08.110 and I was like, you know, I think I could 0:05:08.130 --> 0:05:10.940 be one of the best or best. You know, that's 0:05:11.100 --> 0:05:13.500 in the moment I'm feeling that, you know, and I'm 0:05:13.880 --> 0:05:16.980 trying to use that energy to find the next trader. 0:05:17.060 --> 0:05:18.860 And, you know, that's just how it was. But watching 0:05:18.920 --> 0:05:19.539 it back now. 0:05:19.580 --> 0:05:21.859 Like at times, you know, I've had to bite the 0:05:21.880 --> 0:05:26.160 pillow and, you know, hide, you know, I can't watch it. 0:05:26.680 --> 0:05:28.820 You know, but it's just for a moment or two. 0:05:28.900 --> 0:05:31.740 And besides that, you know, I have been okay. And 0:05:32.060 --> 0:05:35.580 with myself, yeah, sometimes it's tough, but you got to 0:05:35.600 --> 0:05:38.100 be prepared to eat humble pie. And that's the game 0:05:38.160 --> 0:05:40.750 I played. So, you know, for the most part, I'm like, yeah, 0:05:40.870 --> 0:05:43.529 you know, I went for it and I got it wrong. 0:05:43.930 --> 0:05:45.170 And that's the trace. 0:05:45.230 --> 0:05:46.550 Yeah. Was I overconfident? 0:05:46.650 --> 0:05:46.950 Yes. 0:05:47.550 --> 0:05:49.670 But I felt I put myself in a position where 0:05:49.690 --> 0:05:52.950 I had to continue being overconfident because there was no 0:05:53.010 --> 0:05:54.969 turning back for me by that stage. 0:05:54.990 --> 0:05:55.130 Yeah. 0:05:55.380 --> 0:05:57.440 Well, I have to come clean with you because I've 0:05:57.460 --> 0:05:59.420 said on a couple of other podcasts, because they're like, 0:05:59.460 --> 0:06:02.560 you know, twins, that's an advantage. I mean, these twins 0:06:02.580 --> 0:06:05.260 would have an advantage, but I'm like, yes, but these twins, 0:06:05.610 --> 0:06:07.489 when it comes to their advantage, they're going to fumble 0:06:07.529 --> 0:06:11.050 the ball. And I feel bad about saying this behind 0:06:11.070 --> 0:06:13.170 my back. So I'm making sure I tell you now. 0:06:13.730 --> 0:06:16.480 I just thought you're good casting because like maybe other 0:06:16.500 --> 0:06:18.400 twins might be a little bit more switched on. But 0:06:18.420 --> 0:06:21.300 I think for the two of you being sublime, to 0:06:21.339 --> 0:06:24.000 watch twins, you know, get a few things wrong, but 0:06:24.040 --> 0:06:26.130 I guess at the same time, commit to the game, 0:06:26.350 --> 0:06:26.610 you know? 0:06:27.010 --> 0:06:27.250 Yeah. 0:06:27.470 --> 0:06:30.830 Like for me, what's more frustrating isn't really how Josh 0:06:30.850 --> 0:06:33.500 and I played at it. For me, what's frustrating watching 0:06:33.560 --> 0:06:36.040 it back is people that don't say anything at all, 0:06:36.720 --> 0:06:41.029 you know, or have knowledge of, or, you know, say, 0:06:41.070 --> 0:06:42.490 for instance... Oh. 0:06:42.510 --> 0:06:44.470 You're talking about Tully. Is that what you're talking about? 0:06:44.670 --> 0:06:47.320 No, I'm actually talking about, you know, say, Rob at 0:06:47.339 --> 0:06:50.739 the start when he had information, you know, strong feelings 0:06:50.839 --> 0:06:52.820 on Kirby and, you know, I had a very good 0:06:52.839 --> 0:06:54.940 relationship with Rob in the house and I never knew 0:06:55.240 --> 0:06:57.400 any of those suspicions, you know. 0:06:57.930 --> 0:07:00.410 For me, that's way more frustrating watching than, you know, 0:07:00.450 --> 0:07:03.090 how Josh and I played. You know, at least, you know, where. 0:07:03.710 --> 0:07:06.729 open to saying things and seeing what sticks to the 0:07:06.770 --> 0:07:09.660 wall and what doesn't. Whereas a lot of other people 0:07:09.720 --> 0:07:13.320 will potentially have some really good information and just refuse 0:07:13.360 --> 0:07:14.679 to share it because they're too. 0:07:14.580 --> 0:07:17.470 Afraid of being murdered or being banished. 0:07:17.710 --> 0:07:19.930 So I much prefer to stick myself out there and 0:07:20.190 --> 0:07:22.810 make good TV and try and find traders and sit 0:07:22.850 --> 0:07:23.330 on my hands. 0:07:23.950 --> 0:07:28.810 But what about this? People have acclaimed, claimed online that 0:07:28.830 --> 0:07:31.710 there's cheating going on because you're twins. Now, I want 0:07:31.740 --> 0:07:34.920 to unpack this with you because you know what? You 0:07:34.960 --> 0:07:37.140 were both cast on this show and twins would have 0:07:37.160 --> 0:07:39.160 an advantage. You'd obviously have secret ways of being able 0:07:39.200 --> 0:07:42.260 to communicate. Now's the time to answer this question. Is 0:07:42.320 --> 0:07:44.940 there a chance that while you were making this show 0:07:44.960 --> 0:07:49.990 that you used your twin intuition to People are listening 0:07:50.010 --> 0:07:51.370 to this podcast and they can't see it. So they 0:07:51.390 --> 0:07:54.450 can't see that my eyes are like twin intuition. Anyway, 0:07:54.910 --> 0:07:57.090 let's put an end to this because like I've heard 0:07:57.130 --> 0:07:59.060 a few different theories. I've heard that you guys have 0:07:59.100 --> 0:08:01.180 secret ways of being able to communicate things that happen 0:08:01.200 --> 0:08:03.520 throughout the show. I heard that you wrote like Kirby's 0:08:03.580 --> 0:08:05.580 name down on a piece of cardboard and passed it 0:08:05.600 --> 0:08:07.520 over like a birthday card. We want to put an 0:08:07.560 --> 0:08:08.840 end to this. 0:08:09.040 --> 0:08:11.000 I would have loved to have done that, but there's 0:08:11.080 --> 0:08:13.560 no chance you can do any of that. 0:08:13.600 --> 0:08:16.060 Like, People don't understand. 0:08:16.220 --> 0:08:19.440 People can come up with as many theories as they like. 0:08:19.860 --> 0:08:21.900 For Josh and I, we felt there was a major 0:08:21.940 --> 0:08:24.500 disadvantage going in together because I was going to be 0:08:24.520 --> 0:08:26.730 a target on our back. And I think from the 0:08:26.870 --> 0:08:31.170 first moment when Shane's up there, prime choice to pick 0:08:31.250 --> 0:08:33.290 one of us straight away. There's two of them. One 0:08:33.309 --> 0:08:35.950 needs to go. The decision was right there for her. 0:08:35.870 --> 0:08:36.530 From day one. 0:08:36.550 --> 0:08:38.969 So I always felt our walls were were kind of 0:08:39.050 --> 0:08:41.730 fighting to stay in the show from day one. And 0:08:42.010 --> 0:08:44.270 what we did was, at the start, we stayed well 0:08:44.300 --> 0:08:47.500 away from each other. I barely spoke a word to 0:08:47.540 --> 0:08:50.490 Josh first. the first three days or something. 0:08:50.890 --> 0:08:52.710 I watched that. I was like, look at these two. 0:08:53.030 --> 0:08:55.050 But like, I've got friends, I've been friends with twins. 0:08:55.090 --> 0:08:56.770 I went to school with high school twins. 0:08:56.790 --> 0:09:01.380 There's no intermission. There's no like, nothing like that. Other 0:09:01.400 --> 0:09:04.469 twins have that. Brilliant for them. But for Josh and I, 0:09:05.100 --> 0:09:05.600 not at all. 0:09:06.040 --> 0:09:08.960 In retrospect, sometimes like we actually got more frustrated with 0:09:09.000 --> 0:09:12.000 each other because like what you saw in the Kirby 0:09:12.080 --> 0:09:14.830 Alex conversations, you know, I'll be very strong on Alex 0:09:14.920 --> 0:09:15.929 and No, no, no. 0:09:16.150 --> 0:09:18.550 I like Alex. And he's like, it's Kirby. I'm like, no, 0:09:18.590 --> 0:09:19.630 I don't see that. 0:09:19.990 --> 0:09:21.490 But those girls kind of played the two of you 0:09:21.510 --> 0:09:24.790 because both of you picked a traitor to support because 0:09:24.830 --> 0:09:26.410 they were your friend. Did they? 0:09:26.429 --> 0:09:27.820 That's right. 0:09:28.010 --> 0:09:30.940 So I don't really see how like we helped each 0:09:30.960 --> 0:09:32.800 other in any way or anything. 0:09:32.880 --> 0:09:34.679 You're actually a bit of a disadvantage to each other 0:09:34.720 --> 0:09:35.620 is what you're. 0:09:35.320 --> 0:09:36.200 Trying to say. Yeah. 0:09:36.240 --> 0:09:38.180 Like we've only done one show, which we cheated at 0:09:38.200 --> 0:09:40.500 and that was the block. We're not doing another show. So, 0:09:40.720 --> 0:09:42.780 you know, with the whole cheating scan on the block, like, 0:09:42.800 --> 0:09:43.839 you know, and that's where. 0:09:44.140 --> 0:09:45.620 Maybe it's on brand. I don't know. 0:09:46.620 --> 0:09:50.050 That's, that's why, you know, I was very happy to 0:09:50.090 --> 0:09:52.209 actually play the game as a faithful because, you know, 0:09:52.230 --> 0:09:54.809 because of the block and, you know, even though every 0:09:54.830 --> 0:09:58.090 single person in the block had the same information as 0:09:58.270 --> 0:10:01.600 us on that show, I was really happy to play 0:10:01.620 --> 0:10:03.420 the game as a faithful instead of a trade-off. 0:10:03.440 --> 0:10:05.970 So yeah, in the end, it worked out fine for me. 0:10:06.490 --> 0:10:08.330 Do you know what was really juicy for me, knowing 0:10:08.350 --> 0:10:10.830 a little bit of industry stuff that I thought was amazing, 0:10:11.050 --> 0:10:15.189 was not allowing Cam to be in the show was 0:10:15.470 --> 0:10:18.199 really hilarious to me because you might not even know this, 0:10:18.260 --> 0:10:22.120 but Cam and Jules were supposed to be your spots 0:10:22.540 --> 0:10:23.839 on the block. Did you know that? 0:10:23.860 --> 0:10:24.819 I did know that. 0:10:25.059 --> 0:10:27.520 So they dropped out of the block so that... you 0:10:27.559 --> 0:10:30.420 would then get cast on the show with your twin brother. However, 0:10:30.559 --> 0:10:33.220 he turns up again and you've stolen something else from him. 0:10:33.320 --> 0:10:34.100 Do you feel bad? 0:10:34.440 --> 0:10:36.880 Well, I, yeah, with the block, yeah, I had about 0:10:37.059 --> 0:10:39.210 two and a half, three weeks notice for that one. 0:10:39.230 --> 0:10:41.900 For this one, I fought for him to be on 0:10:41.950 --> 0:10:42.280 the show. 0:10:42.330 --> 0:10:44.450 So I don't feel any, I sleep well at night 0:10:44.510 --> 0:10:46.350 knowing that I fought very hard for Karen to be 0:10:46.370 --> 0:10:48.890 on the show. Other people, other people can have that, 0:10:49.150 --> 0:10:51.949 you know, conversation with you, why they decided not to 0:10:51.990 --> 0:10:54.270 bring him in. But Josh and I fought very hard. 0:10:54.309 --> 0:10:55.710 So I feel that debt repaid. 0:10:55.990 --> 0:10:57.550 Do you know what I think needs to happen though? 0:10:57.830 --> 0:10:58.090 Yes. 0:10:58.510 --> 0:11:00.429 We need to bring him back next year. Like if 0:11:00.910 --> 0:11:03.429 they're rolling with another series, he needs to be allowed 0:11:03.470 --> 0:11:05.550 to come in with an immunity pen or something. 0:11:05.570 --> 0:11:07.989 Don't think you get any, don't think you get an 0:11:08.010 --> 0:11:10.720 immunity pen, but I'm all for him getting back in there. 0:11:10.740 --> 0:11:11.689 Have you seen. 0:11:11.510 --> 0:11:14.120 Jules online being like, Oh my God, we hate this show. 0:11:14.140 --> 0:11:14.980 She's gone viral. 0:11:15.460 --> 0:11:17.439 I don't think I watched what she said. I don't 0:11:17.460 --> 0:11:18.820 think she said she hated the show. 0:11:19.179 --> 0:11:22.440 I feel, you know, she just felt like the injustice 0:11:22.480 --> 0:11:24.750 to Cam, like the humanity of other people, not bringing 0:11:24.780 --> 0:11:25.059 him in. 0:11:25.470 --> 0:11:26.790 And that's the whole point in the game. 0:11:26.809 --> 0:11:29.150 Like this isn't the first time on the traders where 0:11:29.670 --> 0:11:32.070 someone's been discarded at the beginning and, don't get brought 0:11:32.110 --> 0:11:34.510 back in it's the ruthlessness of the show and you 0:11:35.010 --> 0:11:39.040 know some people's like humanitarian like humanity and morals get 0:11:39.200 --> 0:11:41.780 left at the door and you're told by gretel at 0:11:41.800 --> 0:11:43.620 the start of the show you can be as naughty 0:11:44.160 --> 0:11:47.140 or as nice as you like it's your decision then 0:11:47.360 --> 0:11:49.370 some people want to play that way others want to 0:11:49.410 --> 0:11:51.710 play nice you know it's up to you how you 0:11:51.730 --> 0:11:53.870 want to play and until you're in there you don't 0:11:53.890 --> 0:11:54.689 know what you're going to. 0:11:54.570 --> 0:11:57.370 Do She's great on this show, Gretel Colleen, just mentioning that. Like, 0:11:57.390 --> 0:11:59.069 I don't know how you all managed to keep a 0:11:59.090 --> 0:12:01.170 straight face through some of her dialogue. Like some of 0:12:01.190 --> 0:12:04.100 the things that she said, I was like, I don't 0:12:04.120 --> 0:12:05.459 know how well I'd play along with that. 0:12:06.700 --> 0:12:07.600 She's brilliant. 0:12:07.920 --> 0:12:11.620 Like out of, you know, I've had some other reality shows. 0:12:11.700 --> 0:12:15.400 I've done some great posts, you know, all different and unique. 0:12:15.480 --> 0:12:17.100 Gretel's brilliant professional. 0:12:17.460 --> 0:12:17.880 Okay. 0:12:17.900 --> 0:12:19.620 So this year for Christmas, if you're going to send 0:12:19.660 --> 0:12:23.620 a Christmas card to Sophie Monk, Gretel Colleen or Scotty Cam. 0:12:23.780 --> 0:12:24.610 You can only choose one. 0:12:25.160 --> 0:12:29.110 Gretel. Gretel. I love Sophie. Love Sophie, but Gretel. 0:12:29.410 --> 0:12:32.610 I'll get her on the phone. We'll ask her. Okay. 0:12:32.809 --> 0:12:35.270 Before you go, I want to ask you, who do 0:12:35.309 --> 0:12:40.270 you think, excluding yourself, was the best faithful in your series? 0:12:41.580 --> 0:12:46.179 To be honest, the best one, I feel it would 0:12:46.420 --> 0:12:51.220 actually be Henry. Even though he got one out of 0:12:51.260 --> 0:12:54.340 three right in what he said, I just really respect 0:12:54.380 --> 0:12:56.439 that he gave it a go and he said it 0:12:56.480 --> 0:12:59.510 with conviction. Even though I had to really fight him 0:12:59.570 --> 0:13:03.110 and try and vote him out, which I did luckily 0:13:03.250 --> 0:13:06.490 for my own safety in the show, I respect that 0:13:06.510 --> 0:13:10.449 he tried and he came out and said his piece 0:13:10.910 --> 0:13:13.309 and really fought for himself, you know, to try and 0:13:13.330 --> 0:13:15.250 do the best thing for the show and to find 0:13:15.270 --> 0:13:19.990 traders where there's a lot of people that have information that. 0:13:19.150 --> 0:13:19.910 Just sat on their hands. 0:13:19.970 --> 0:13:23.429 So I really applaud him, you know, as a faithful 0:13:23.670 --> 0:13:26.580 for kind of falling on his sword early, trying to 0:13:27.030 --> 0:13:29.440 fight to get traders out even early. 0:13:29.460 --> 0:13:30.620 I really respect that. 0:13:31.190 --> 0:13:33.080 What a great guy as well. I love him. 0:13:33.380 --> 0:13:36.820 He's a lovely guy. Like we, you know, we spoke 0:13:36.860 --> 0:13:39.110 quite a few times on the phone. Awesome guy. 0:13:39.710 --> 0:13:39.990 Yeah. 0:13:40.230 --> 0:13:41.510 Really nice natured guy. 0:13:41.980 --> 0:13:43.990 Before I ask you about who the best trader is, 0:13:44.000 --> 0:13:47.110 I want to ask you, if you and your brother 0:13:47.410 --> 0:13:49.410 had been... One of you had been made a trader, 0:13:49.750 --> 0:13:51.550 how would that have played out? Do you. 0:13:52.170 --> 0:13:54.650 We'll never know, will we? It's so tough. 0:13:54.870 --> 0:13:57.829 You need to tell me now because this is obviously... 0:13:57.170 --> 0:13:58.929 I've got you. You need to tell me how that 0:13:58.950 --> 0:13:59.729 was going to play out. 0:13:59.870 --> 0:14:00.929 How I feel, like. 0:14:01.250 --> 0:14:03.970 Well, to be fair enough with you, Josh thought I 0:14:04.010 --> 0:14:06.390 was a traitor at the start for a couple of nights. 0:14:06.450 --> 0:14:07.579 He was suspicious on me. 0:14:07.770 --> 0:14:11.380 Like he was, you know, he wasn't saying it out loud, 0:14:11.520 --> 0:14:14.000 but he told me later, he's like, I was very 0:14:14.080 --> 0:14:17.120 suspicious of you and I was really worried. And he's like, 0:14:17.160 --> 0:14:18.960 it only took a couple of days before I. 0:14:19.160 --> 0:14:20.739 We were so far apart from each other, like we 0:14:20.760 --> 0:14:21.660 didn't have conversations. 0:14:21.720 --> 0:14:24.300 So it was only when we started having conversations where 0:14:24.350 --> 0:14:26.410 he was like, yeah, you know, I can tell you're 0:14:26.430 --> 0:14:27.170 not a traitor now. 0:14:27.230 --> 0:14:28.140 So if I. 0:14:28.980 --> 0:14:31.760 If I was a trader from the get-go, I would 0:14:31.780 --> 0:14:34.160 have had a big decision to make whether I'd take 0:14:34.200 --> 0:14:35.060 him out straight away. 0:14:35.080 --> 0:14:37.609 I think you would. I reckon knowing you as well 0:14:37.650 --> 0:14:39.510 as I do, I've had you on the podcast a 0:14:39.550 --> 0:14:42.730 couple of times. I reckon you guys as twins, you 0:14:42.770 --> 0:14:45.170 would be like, in actual fact, I think you would 0:14:45.250 --> 0:14:46.320 both do it at a time. 0:14:46.660 --> 0:14:47.640 That's right. 0:14:47.680 --> 0:14:48.820 I need to get rid of them straight away. 0:14:49.840 --> 0:14:51.640 I would have respected that from him if he'd done 0:14:51.660 --> 0:14:52.900 that and vice versa. 0:14:52.920 --> 0:14:55.810 We would have been pissed off with each other, but 0:14:55.850 --> 0:14:58.690 respect the gameplay that you're in that position. And as 0:14:58.750 --> 0:15:01.360 a trailer, you have a heavy cloak on and you've 0:15:01.400 --> 0:15:03.200 got to try and keep eyes off you. 0:15:03.300 --> 0:15:05.680 So why not take your brother out? and try and make. 0:15:05.560 --> 0:15:08.280 Yourself look like a faithful. So, you know, we probably 0:15:08.300 --> 0:15:09.990 would have done that at some early stage. 0:15:10.450 --> 0:15:12.710 Eric, I love this. And so who's your favorite? Who 0:15:12.730 --> 0:15:14.550 do you think played the best? Who was the best trader? 0:15:14.670 --> 0:15:16.070 You've got four traders to choose from. 0:15:16.550 --> 0:15:17.250 Yeah. 0:15:17.630 --> 0:15:19.880 To be honest, even though it's only been a couple 0:15:19.940 --> 0:15:22.760 of days, I'm loving Reese, like how Reese is playing. 0:15:24.140 --> 0:15:26.860 I've said from the get-go, I thought Reece played a 0:15:27.140 --> 0:15:29.590 wonderful game while I was in the house. 0:15:29.930 --> 0:15:30.630 That's why I was. 0:15:30.710 --> 0:15:33.670 A little bit sussed because Reece is a comedian. Reece 0:15:33.690 --> 0:15:39.120 command rooms. But at the round table... Just as enough, 0:15:39.140 --> 0:15:42.740 doesn't say too much. You know, has people a little 0:15:42.760 --> 0:15:47.450 bit sus on him, on them, but just not enough suspicion. 0:15:47.550 --> 0:15:49.570 Just going under the radar, saying that they don't know 0:15:49.630 --> 0:15:52.250 who the traders are. What a wonderful trader. 0:15:52.270 --> 0:15:56.020 So, yeah, you know, for where we are in the show, 0:15:56.080 --> 0:15:58.380 I've really respected Reece's gameplay. 0:15:58.400 --> 0:15:58.720 I love it. 0:15:58.980 --> 0:16:00.800 I want a behind the scenes secret from you. And 0:16:01.320 --> 0:16:03.400 I think a good one could be someone had said, 0:16:03.440 --> 0:16:05.350 so this is how I finished my podcast behind the 0:16:05.370 --> 0:16:08.470 scenes secret. Whether or not you can reveal this, someone 0:16:08.530 --> 0:16:11.290 said to me in the traders all around the world 0:16:11.630 --> 0:16:15.000 to create some tension before you sit around the table. 0:16:15.860 --> 0:16:19.620 They play, like, some really unusual song or music to 0:16:19.680 --> 0:16:23.570 try and make you all a little bit, I don't know, crazy? 0:16:23.710 --> 0:16:24.870 Are we allowed to mention this? 0:16:25.810 --> 0:16:27.210 No, you can ask what you like. 0:16:27.450 --> 0:16:30.350 Okay. Is that true? Do they play some weird music 0:16:30.410 --> 0:16:32.270 before the roundtable starts? 0:16:32.650 --> 0:16:34.630 I don't know what they do in other countries, but 0:16:34.830 --> 0:16:37.030 for me, no. Like, as soon as we sit in there, like, 0:16:37.810 --> 0:16:41.410 we're in silence. and it's very anxious, and then it's 0:16:41.960 --> 0:16:46.500 time to go. You're already in the mood. As soon 0:16:46.520 --> 0:16:50.460