1 00:00:01,440 --> 00:00:03,560 Speaker 1: And Amanda gem Nations. 2 00:00:03,880 --> 00:00:08,240 Speaker 2: The wellness industry is a five trillion dollar business. 3 00:00:09,240 --> 00:00:11,480 Speaker 3: Is it making us well? Or is it merely thinning 4 00:00:11,480 --> 00:00:12,160 Speaker 3: our wallets? 5 00:00:12,320 --> 00:00:14,280 Speaker 2: Our next guest is back to show us what works 6 00:00:14,320 --> 00:00:17,080 Speaker 2: and what may not be working. May not be the 7 00:00:17,120 --> 00:00:20,680 Speaker 2: best health advice that you take from an influencer. Todd 8 00:00:20,680 --> 00:00:23,360 Speaker 2: Sampson has been looking at all of this for the 9 00:00:23,360 --> 00:00:24,200 Speaker 2: new season. 10 00:00:23,880 --> 00:00:26,680 Speaker 3: Of Mirror Mirror. This one is Mirror Mirror? Are you well? 11 00:00:26,960 --> 00:00:30,840 Speaker 2: Todd Sampson high good Morning's. First of all, what is 12 00:00:30,880 --> 00:00:32,040 Speaker 2: the wellness industry? 13 00:00:32,120 --> 00:00:33,400 Speaker 3: What does that mean? 14 00:00:34,400 --> 00:00:38,160 Speaker 1: Well? So we chose wellness because Miror Mirror is meant 15 00:00:38,159 --> 00:00:39,960 Speaker 1: to be a reflection of us and a reflection of 16 00:00:40,080 --> 00:00:42,040 Speaker 1: big business in many cases. So the first series was 17 00:00:42,040 --> 00:00:46,000 Speaker 1: about cosmetic surgery, second series was about the Internet, and 18 00:00:46,040 --> 00:00:50,839 Speaker 1: this one is about wellness and wellness is well. It's contorted, right. 19 00:00:50,960 --> 00:00:54,040 Speaker 1: It used to be about well being, how you feel, 20 00:00:54,080 --> 00:00:56,600 Speaker 1: and now it's just become what you can buy to 21 00:00:56,640 --> 00:00:58,880 Speaker 1: make you feel a certain way. And so it made 22 00:00:58,880 --> 00:01:02,160 Speaker 1: it perfect for miraor Miror. It's the perfect topic because 23 00:01:02,200 --> 00:01:06,760 Speaker 1: it's filled with so much spin, confusion, and yet it 24 00:01:06,800 --> 00:01:11,760 Speaker 1: can be dangerous because we are taking health advice thirty 25 00:01:11,760 --> 00:01:14,360 Speaker 1: percent of Australians take health advice from people with no 26 00:01:14,480 --> 00:01:18,480 Speaker 1: medical degrees. And the biggest influencers health influencers in the 27 00:01:18,480 --> 00:01:22,200 Speaker 1: world have more influence than all the medical doctors combined 28 00:01:22,240 --> 00:01:26,000 Speaker 1: are Gwyneth Paltrow, Joe Rogan and Kim Kardashian. And so 29 00:01:26,240 --> 00:01:28,560 Speaker 1: that's where we're getting our advice. And so this series 30 00:01:28,840 --> 00:01:33,280 Speaker 1: goes into all the different areas from tantra to psychedelics 31 00:01:33,560 --> 00:01:36,959 Speaker 1: to leech therapy, covers all of it. Optimization. 32 00:01:37,480 --> 00:01:39,280 Speaker 3: What's optimization? I've never heard of that. 33 00:01:39,520 --> 00:01:42,000 Speaker 1: Well, this will be a little bit controversial in the 34 00:01:42,040 --> 00:01:44,560 Speaker 1: series because Tim Gerner, who was in the media for 35 00:01:45,880 --> 00:01:50,480 Speaker 1: controversially in the media. He's a billionaire developer in Melbourne 36 00:01:50,920 --> 00:01:55,320 Speaker 1: and he's created these sort of longevity optimization clinics and 37 00:01:55,400 --> 00:01:57,440 Speaker 1: you go in two thousand dollars a week and you 38 00:01:57,480 --> 00:02:01,040 Speaker 1: can have everything done ivy drips. They measure you you completely, 39 00:02:01,400 --> 00:02:04,480 Speaker 1: You get an or ring which basically communicates to that 40 00:02:04,600 --> 00:02:08,160 Speaker 1: gym all hours. They know exactly where how your heart 41 00:02:08,200 --> 00:02:11,200 Speaker 1: rate is, where you're at on a certain time. Well, 42 00:02:11,280 --> 00:02:12,120 Speaker 1: lots of people want it. 43 00:02:12,120 --> 00:02:13,959 Speaker 3: It's arguably, isn't it? 44 00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:16,200 Speaker 2: Is it? The future is it's self indulgent to think 45 00:02:16,280 --> 00:02:19,360 Speaker 2: I deserve to live forever, I deserve optimal health, I 46 00:02:19,440 --> 00:02:20,640 Speaker 2: deserve deserve, deserve. 47 00:02:20,880 --> 00:02:23,840 Speaker 1: Well, it's not so much you could call it self indulgent, 48 00:02:23,960 --> 00:02:26,160 Speaker 1: or you could call it an exploitation. So this is 49 00:02:26,200 --> 00:02:28,400 Speaker 1: at the heart of the wellness industry for most people 50 00:02:28,520 --> 00:02:31,600 Speaker 1: is fear. It's fear of dying, it's fear of getting old, 51 00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:34,800 Speaker 1: getting sick, fear of getting sick. And with that you 52 00:02:34,840 --> 00:02:39,640 Speaker 1: get all of these treatments that are majority unregulated. I 53 00:02:39,680 --> 00:02:40,639 Speaker 1: mean the leech therapy. 54 00:02:40,720 --> 00:02:43,400 Speaker 3: One that's old though, that's like middle ages, that's been 55 00:02:43,680 --> 00:02:44,160 Speaker 3: for a long time. 56 00:02:44,200 --> 00:02:46,760 Speaker 1: Yes, but Miranda Kerr and Gwyneth Paltrow sort of brought 57 00:02:46,760 --> 00:02:50,000 Speaker 1: it back. And I went to Miranda Kerr and Gwenepultrow, 58 00:02:50,080 --> 00:02:51,960 Speaker 1: both which we try to track down for the film, 59 00:02:52,400 --> 00:02:54,120 Speaker 1: refused to be in the film. But I went to 60 00:02:54,160 --> 00:02:58,119 Speaker 1: Miranda Curr's leech therapist in California and it was one 61 00:02:58,160 --> 00:03:03,119 Speaker 1: of the craziest things. So basically she got me down, 62 00:03:03,200 --> 00:03:06,720 Speaker 1: put these leeches, which the leeches inject a quagulant into you. 63 00:03:07,160 --> 00:03:11,400 Speaker 1: They're used legitimately scientifically yeap for limb removal and all 64 00:03:11,400 --> 00:03:15,600 Speaker 1: of that. Yes, she put these three leeches. They sucked 65 00:03:15,720 --> 00:03:18,280 Speaker 1: six times their body weight, sucked the blood out of 66 00:03:18,280 --> 00:03:21,800 Speaker 1: me for like forty minutes. Then to my surprise, she 67 00:03:22,080 --> 00:03:25,120 Speaker 1: drains them literally like wringing out a towel, and then 68 00:03:25,160 --> 00:03:28,440 Speaker 1: puts that blood back on my face and which is 69 00:03:28,480 --> 00:03:32,240 Speaker 1: referred to as a leech facial and Mirandaka popularized it 70 00:03:32,280 --> 00:03:35,680 Speaker 1: by talking about her getting leech treatment with Gwyneth Paltrow. 71 00:03:35,880 --> 00:03:37,800 Speaker 3: What's the advantage of having your own blood put back 72 00:03:37,840 --> 00:03:38,320 Speaker 3: on your face? 73 00:03:38,360 --> 00:03:42,040 Speaker 1: Well, there's two things. So the quagulation sort of dries 74 00:03:42,560 --> 00:03:45,840 Speaker 1: tightens your skin. Yeah. Oh it's total bullshit. Do we 75 00:03:45,880 --> 00:03:49,000 Speaker 1: have to beat that? Yeah, but here's the theory. The 76 00:03:49,120 --> 00:03:52,920 Speaker 1: leeches inside that the compounds and proteins within less Alive 77 00:03:52,960 --> 00:03:55,360 Speaker 1: are combined with your blood that can give you potential 78 00:03:55,360 --> 00:03:58,440 Speaker 1: of anti aging. I bled for a week, and the 79 00:03:58,520 --> 00:04:00,520 Speaker 1: crazy part is I went from which is not in 80 00:04:00,520 --> 00:04:03,640 Speaker 1: the film because we didn't do it in order. I 81 00:04:03,680 --> 00:04:07,520 Speaker 1: went from that straight to doing ayahuasca in Oregon. 82 00:04:07,600 --> 00:04:13,080 Speaker 2: See, I've got friends a psychedelic that apparently you vomit 83 00:04:13,200 --> 00:04:15,520 Speaker 2: and get terrible diarrhea at the same time, but it's 84 00:04:15,520 --> 00:04:17,160 Speaker 2: supposed to give you these incredible insights. 85 00:04:17,200 --> 00:04:19,040 Speaker 3: I know people who have done it too. I have 86 00:04:19,160 --> 00:04:21,440 Speaker 3: no interest in doing Did you have some incredible insights? 87 00:04:21,480 --> 00:04:25,080 Speaker 1: Well, first, yeah, and Nailmi, my wife is not going 88 00:04:25,120 --> 00:04:26,920 Speaker 1: to be happy when it goes to air because one 89 00:04:26,920 --> 00:04:29,200 Speaker 1: of it was about her and another one was about 90 00:04:29,200 --> 00:04:31,360 Speaker 1: my mother, which all just sort of came out. I mean, 91 00:04:31,400 --> 00:04:33,279 Speaker 1: it's rare that you're going to see a host on 92 00:04:33,520 --> 00:04:36,920 Speaker 1: psychedelics hosting the show explaining what's going on in psychedelics. 93 00:04:36,960 --> 00:04:40,159 Speaker 1: So it was quite a wild situation for me. But 94 00:04:40,240 --> 00:04:43,200 Speaker 1: I need to put a caveat on psychedelics. So psychedelics 95 00:04:43,360 --> 00:04:47,080 Speaker 1: is I believe has huge amount of potential. Australia is 96 00:04:47,080 --> 00:04:49,560 Speaker 1: the first country in the world to legalize the use 97 00:04:49,560 --> 00:04:52,640 Speaker 1: of psychedelics for psychiatric use, so there is a massive 98 00:04:52,640 --> 00:04:56,440 Speaker 1: future for psychedelics, for a PTSD, for depression, for lots 99 00:04:56,440 --> 00:05:00,800 Speaker 1: of disorders. It's got a huge future. But at this 100 00:05:00,920 --> 00:05:05,719 Speaker 1: stage it's unregulated and where I was was incredibly risky. 101 00:05:05,880 --> 00:05:09,520 Speaker 1: I mean, basically, the doors are locked and you're in 102 00:05:09,560 --> 00:05:10,080 Speaker 1: a dark. 103 00:05:09,960 --> 00:05:12,040 Speaker 3: Room, you may have a psychosis, and people. 104 00:05:11,880 --> 00:05:13,360 Speaker 1: Do, and you'll see in the film there's a few 105 00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:16,760 Speaker 1: people that are right on the edge, like it's really 106 00:05:16,800 --> 00:05:19,680 Speaker 1: out there. But the reason to show it is that 107 00:05:19,720 --> 00:05:22,000 Speaker 1: it's growing in popularity and the. 108 00:05:22,080 --> 00:05:23,880 Speaker 3: Good friends who's mum groups did it. 109 00:05:24,440 --> 00:05:26,960 Speaker 1: And there's plenty of people micro dosing it now, and 110 00:05:27,440 --> 00:05:30,559 Speaker 1: you know in Australia. I mean it's massive. I joined 111 00:05:30,560 --> 00:05:34,200 Speaker 1: a psychedelic study mccurey University where I microdose. Again, it's 112 00:05:34,200 --> 00:05:37,039 Speaker 1: not in the film, but I joined the study and 113 00:05:37,080 --> 00:05:40,359 Speaker 1: they had overdose me in the micro dose. Not McCrory, 114 00:05:40,440 --> 00:05:42,520 Speaker 1: but my people at overdose. So I show up and 115 00:05:42,560 --> 00:05:45,279 Speaker 1: I put my head in a scanner for an hour 116 00:05:45,560 --> 00:05:48,679 Speaker 1: on psychedelics micro dose, so one tenth of the dose, 117 00:05:48,880 --> 00:05:51,479 Speaker 1: so enough that the flowers look interesting, but they're not 118 00:05:51,520 --> 00:05:54,200 Speaker 1: talking to you. And I'm in a scanner for one 119 00:05:54,240 --> 00:05:57,280 Speaker 1: hour doing all these brain scans and I'm just trapped, 120 00:05:57,400 --> 00:05:59,640 Speaker 1: like locked into a scanner. Yes, it's crazy. 121 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:02,039 Speaker 4: A lot of this microdocing and it's not on film. 122 00:06:02,160 --> 00:06:09,039 Speaker 4: I put it to Utah maybe maybe maybe might not 123 00:06:09,120 --> 00:06:11,960 Speaker 4: be in the show Mirror, Mirror, Are you well? As 124 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:14,800 Speaker 4: seven thirty Tonight on ten and ten play Todd Samson 125 00:06:14,800 --> 00:06:15,960 Speaker 4: And this looks great? 126 00:06:16,760 --> 00:06:21,160 Speaker 1: Yeah you Tantra hang out for Tantra? I do Tantra? 127 00:06:21,839 --> 00:06:22,600 Speaker 4: Is that a sex thing? 128 00:06:22,800 --> 00:06:26,039 Speaker 1: Yeah? With an in Thailand with an Egyptian witch that 129 00:06:26,240 --> 00:06:28,800 Speaker 1: was born in the Gold Coast. You do not want 130 00:06:28,839 --> 00:06:29,440 Speaker 1: to miss that one. 131 00:06:29,560 --> 00:06:31,039 Speaker 3: Is your wife going to miss that one? 132 00:06:32,080 --> 00:06:32,799 Speaker 4: Is that on camera? 133 00:06:33,240 --> 00:06:37,039 Speaker 1: He's on camera? Unfortunately, Yes, thank you Tod.