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Speaker 1: time poor parent who just wants answers.

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Speaker 2: Now, what's the right time for a book like that?

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's sat there for a couple of years.

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Speaker 3: I decided I see violence and some rawns in my life,

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Speaker 3: it's the right time.

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Speaker 1: And now here's the stars of our show, my mom

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Speaker 3: Hello, this is doctor Justin Coulson, the founder the Very

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Speaker 3: Tired and Over Kids, founder of Happy Families dot com.

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Speaker 3: I'm laughing, Kylie because of what happened this morning in

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Speaker 4: Room with the Google clock.

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Speaker 3: So at Christmas time, one of the kids got a clock, right,

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Speaker 4: Why don't you say what happened?

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Speaker 3: Because you were the one that actually walked into the

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Speaker 5: Google turn on the music, and then three seconds later,

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Speaker 2: Again, and so it would start and then it would

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Speaker 3: Oh my goodness, why just why? Anyway, today we're going

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Speaker 3: to have a break from pairing on the podcast. Once

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Speaker 3: a month we do book club. It's the third Thursday

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Speaker 3: of every month. We talk about what we're reading. We

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Speaker 3: give you a chance to There's something wonderful about books.

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Speaker 3: They apparently they increase our empathy. They help us to

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Speaker 5: You know, well, it's not working because our girls read

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Speaker 3: It's not working for me either, I've got to tell you.

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Speaker 3: But they do at least give us a sense of escape.

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Speaker 3: Maybe that's why our kids do read so much. Gives

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Speaker 5: Oh is that why you read?

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Speaker 4: I try, I really do try.

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Speaker 3: So today it's the opportunity for us to, like I said,

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Speaker 5: Well, a couple of years ago, my sister actually gave

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Speaker 5: me the entire Outlander series to read. That's by That's

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Speaker 3: If Diana Gabaldon is listening to this podcast, I mean,

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Speaker 2: My name is Diana gabble going, gabble going, gabble going, gabble.

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Speaker 3: Gabbled gabbledon gabledon. Anyway, go on now that we know.

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Speaker 5: So it's been sitting in my cupboard for a couple

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Speaker 2: What's the right time what's the right time for a

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Speaker 5: No, I decided that I was going to allow myself

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Speaker 3: So these books have been in your wardrobe for, like

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Speaker 4: Now, how many? There's like seven of the year, is

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Speaker 5: So it's a really dense read. It's a very dense read,

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Speaker 3: Well, I'm going to stay thirty five books on my

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Speaker 5: Well, at the beginning of the year, I decided to

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Speaker 3: Do you have any more on the list that you've

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Speaker 5: I have one that I'm halfway through at the moment,

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Speaker 3: Okay, so you're off to a much slower start reading

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Speaker 3: Okay, it not to mention that Diana Gabaldon's book was

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Speaker 5: It's the Happy Families podcast, the podcast for the time

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Speaker 3: Oh it's beautiful, it really is. It's a compelling book.

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