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Speaker 1: And in joining me live in the studio right now

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Speaker 1: is the federal member for Solomon, Luke Gosling.

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Speaker 2: Good morning to you, Luke, Morning Katie.

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Speaker 1: Now, Luke, before we get into what we obviously invited

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's tragedy, Cady, And as a police commissioner, mc

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Speaker 2: sounding like, perhaps a family that have died when they've

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Speaker 2: and we've just got to learn from it. So I

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Speaker 1: Now. My understanding as well is that there are quite

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Speaker 1: necessarily just for our Northern Territory police, but it's something

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Speaker 1: that you and I have spoken about before in terms

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's the nature of the triggers that happen,

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Speaker 1: They do an incredible job. And I think it is

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Speaker 1: check that number. Actually before I read that out let

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Speaker 1: triple four now now, Luke. Last week a real change

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Speaker 1: So I reckon we've still got more. We've still got

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Speaker 2: I think that's underpinning our economy at the moment, which

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Speaker 1: Now, just from what I can gather, you know, mostly

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Speaker 1: But the decision to base long range missiles in South

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, the territory would have made sense for the

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Speaker 1: So by and large, from the announcement that was made

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Speaker 2: This defense strategic review. I support it, and it makes

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Speaker 2: And we saw that recently with that tragic accident out

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Speaker 1: And like you touched on, obviously we saw throughout that

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Speaker 2: Well, the Anti Government's got a quite a long list

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Speaker 1: Yeah, hey, look before I let you go Early voting

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Speaker 2: if you don't know, just google it, just jump on line,

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Speaker 2: as Territorians go into the overall whether it's an overall

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Speaker 2: But all I would say to people is we need

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Speaker 2: to close the gap in a hole whole range of areas.

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Speaker 2: I've experienced in my own life when I've been working

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Speaker 2: So I've experienced that on the ground in health in defense.

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Speaker 2: So I would just say to people that there's not

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Speaker 1: How many seats are we going to have at the

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Speaker 2: That's a process for the legislation. But all I can

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Speaker 2: guarantee territorians is that we won't be dominated by East

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Speaker 2: because the areas of disadvantage where we're trying to get

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Speaker 2: they're in Western Queensland, they're in.

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Speaker 1: The kim from people. Isn't it like they're saying, we

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because that's where we need the outcomes to be better.

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Speaker 2: And that's the whole idea of the VOICE. So when

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Speaker 2: will be a bipartisan effort. The Prime Minister has already

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Speaker 2: because the Prime Minister the country understands that's where the

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Speaker 2: more needs to be done, and that's going to be

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Speaker 2: great for the whole territory, whether you're working in Indigenous

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Speaker 1: Luke Gosling, we are going to have to leave it there.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, as always for joining us this morning. Much

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Speaker 1: appreciated Cheers, Cotie