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Speaker 1: Motivation, the drive in circumstances. Yeah, I was thrown around

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Speaker 2: Actually, I don't really like work out in the water,

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Speaker 5: Today I'm joined by Ashit Widen, a model an actor

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Speaker 5: who recently stepped onto one of the toughest stages in

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Speaker 5: reality TV as a contestant on Survivor, from navigating the

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Speaker 5: fashion and entertainment industries to surviving physically, mentally and social

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Speaker 5: in one of the most high pressured environments on television.

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Speaker 5: Asher represents strength, adaptability, and bold self belief. So today

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Speaker 5: we're talking about visibility, resilience, vulnerability and what it really

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Speaker 5: Welcome to the podcast.

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Speaker 4: Thank you well. Your movie sounds so wow.

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Speaker 2: I'm adaptible survival.

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Speaker 4: That destiny is Child.

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Speaker 1: Is in the background.

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Speaker 4: Sis.

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Speaker 5: If you could describe yourself without any of your titles.

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Speaker 2: What would you say? I would say that I'm a

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Speaker 5: Love the outdoors, Yeah, love to get your feet into red.

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Speaker 2: Dirt nature, swimming holes to swim out always.

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Speaker 1: Beautiful places.

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Speaker 5: So I've got these really amazing conversation cards that just

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Speaker 1: And you don't expect. So are you ready?

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Speaker 1: What makes you most angry? About society.

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Speaker 4: Where do we start? This is level one?

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Speaker 5: Who is the one person in your life that deserves

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Speaker 4: But you gotta be tough. When you raise black two,

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Speaker 2: I think this is probably the strongest I've ever been

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Speaker 1: Love this.

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Speaker 5: Yes, and people that we may not know, but we

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Speaker 5: That don't get celebrated, not in mainstream media.

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Speaker 2: Fortunately, we'll see when I'm when I'm on Survivor. I've

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Speaker 2: Yes, everything, the bra, the chock suits, that hoodie.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I got some of them.

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Speaker 5: All right, So when did you realize that you wanted

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Speaker 2: I had kind of had like the modeling thing. I've

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you still want to make money to pay bill?

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Speaker 2: No, I just I think that my look wasn't so

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Speaker 1: Audition and Okay, so it's meant to be.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So Jerome Proud Black Man gomorroy Man wrote the

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Speaker 2: the big screen soon, yes, hopefully.

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Speaker 5: Well you are on this season of Survivor yep.

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Speaker 1: Yes, what was that like? Tell me how did you

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Speaker 2: Honestly, I liked the show. I was not like a

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Speaker 4: I just went, fuck it, I'm going I'm doing it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so I just applied. I was still sabotage in

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Speaker 4: And.

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Speaker 2: I was myself yeah yeah, So then I submitted it,

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Speaker 1: So what's the interview process?

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Speaker 5: like what does the application look like?

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Speaker 3: Oh?

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Speaker 2: Yes, as I telling you, like, you've got to tell

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Speaker 3: listening to Black Magic Woman with Mondonara bails. Let's get

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Speaker 5: How did it feel representing as a proud black woman

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Speaker 2: A huge platform. I'm stoked to have that kind of platform.

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Speaker 2: I just hope. I don't shame, it's all.

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Speaker 4: I don't worry. Exist.

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Speaker 5: We always we always got each other's back when we

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Speaker 2: I like being so black on such a big screen

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Speaker 5: Yeah, we're talking about like growth.

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Speaker 5: How has the show changed you? Has it had that

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Speaker 2: I want to come out a different person, to be honest,

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Speaker 2: I think I think that happened to everyone. Like you're

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Speaker 2: So I started having dreams about technology and I'd hear

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Speaker 2: There's nothing in it. Like, it's actually crazy. We are

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Speaker 2: obviously detoxing. I was like, I'm going gwani, Yeah, I can,

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Speaker 2: I can feel buzzing in my past. Yeah, remote island

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Speaker 2: it was nice to come back because I feel like

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Speaker 2: mean going it's there are thousands of people like that

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Speaker 2: Yeah, my life in the last.

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Speaker 2: I just trust that it's going to work out, which.

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Speaker 5: What's one of the what's what's one of the comforts

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Speaker 2: Calling my godmother? I talked to her all the time.

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Speaker 1: It was hard.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just when I struggled, she'd be the person

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Speaker 2: Just it was just unreal? Like yeah, so I'd say unreal.

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Speaker 2: It can't just pick one word. I don't think it's

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Speaker 2: just yea a great time.

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Speaker 5: Did you have any like mantras that carried you through

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Speaker 5: some of those tough times? Was there something your self

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Speaker 2: I need to learn that because I'm quite I can

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Speaker 5: So what's next for you, like creatively acting, modeling your

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Speaker 2: Well, I'm hoping that I actually want to leave the

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Speaker 1: Is that why you moved to Melbourne?

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Speaker 1: A lot of opportunities are here, see.

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 5: And have you got family here? Like, what has it

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Speaker 2: Well, I've got a couple of friends here already, and

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Speaker 1: So you've got someone. Yeah, you did it together.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well we moved into we're sharing a house together.

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Speaker 2: So still connected to yeah yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 5: You know that is unbelievable to kind of you know,

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Speaker 5: this path that you've taken, connecting to people that you

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Speaker 1: I know, you find yourself in a.

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Speaker 5: Different stay and a new chapter of your life and

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Speaker 5: looking at the acting kind of world is your main hustle?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Hopefully, And we watch this space Yay, there's more cars.

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Speaker 2: I hope I'm still on I hope I'm on the

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Speaker 5: And I know that you've got a few things that

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Speaker 5: Can you share with my listeners what you're working on.

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Speaker 2: We just done another one for Jerome Smith. Another shout

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Speaker 2: out amazing director. It's a rom com com.

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Speaker 4: Here we go.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I don't think I can say much, but

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Speaker 1: Okay, So watch is it on our n IV?

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Speaker 2: It'll be on n IV and ABC A right, Deadlight

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Speaker 2: And I'm the main character.

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Speaker 4: You've got amaze, there's two of us. Yeah, yes, that

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Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, And is that a big thing when you

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Speaker 4: I was stoked.

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Speaker 2: I was yeah, like another shout out to Jerome.

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Speaker 1: He just yeah, you think that you've proved yourself.

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Speaker 2: He's really encouraging and I think he sees a lot

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Speaker 1: He's opening doors as well.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yep, mob.

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Speaker 5: And when you think about like being now in the

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Speaker 1: To be aired, right, I don't know.

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Speaker 5: When people hear this, yarn, You're already going to be

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Speaker 5: in on TV when this yarn gets aired, right when

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Speaker 5: we dropped this episode, are you prepared for the public

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Speaker 5: life and image and this platform now where.

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Speaker 1: You know people are going to recognize you?

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Speaker 4: You know what?

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Speaker 2: I have days when I'm like, yeah, this is gonna

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Speaker 2: be mad. Like also like what I'm presenting is great

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Speaker 2: in the other days where I'm like, what have I done?

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Speaker 1: You're not going to.

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Speaker 5: Be able to just walk into whether it's to shops,

449
00:20:29,071 --> 00:20:31,431
Speaker 5: so whether it's going to the corry knockout.

450
00:20:31,591 --> 00:20:33,391
Speaker 2: I was gonna say all like, you're gonna have people

451
00:20:33,391 --> 00:20:35,591
Speaker 2: coming up just the pub, you know, hanging out on

452
00:20:35,631 --> 00:20:36,391
Speaker 2: a Friday night.

453
00:20:36,591 --> 00:20:38,911
Speaker 4: I've got to act right now. I feel like you've.

454
00:20:38,711 --> 00:20:41,751
Speaker 5: Got to kind of Yeah, you're gonna be a lot

455
00:20:41,831 --> 00:20:44,951
Speaker 5: more like aware of your surroundings in that environment.

456
00:20:45,671 --> 00:20:48,991
Speaker 1: And I feel like that again is so much added pressure.

457
00:20:49,071 --> 00:20:49,351
Speaker 4: Yeah.

458
00:20:49,591 --> 00:20:53,191
Speaker 2: I spoke to some other Survivor players that have played

459
00:20:53,231 --> 00:20:56,431
Speaker 2: before and they said it's nuts, Like it's nuts just

460
00:20:56,631 --> 00:20:59,831
Speaker 2: but but I think also with reality TV will run

461
00:20:59,871 --> 00:21:01,631
Speaker 2: its course and then the next year.

462
00:21:02,351 --> 00:21:04,191
Speaker 1: And then people kind of feel get about you.

463
00:21:04,351 --> 00:21:06,871
Speaker 5: Yeah, we're not in our community, not when we just

464
00:21:06,911 --> 00:21:10,111
Speaker 5: see one black face every now and again on mainstream

465
00:21:10,231 --> 00:21:16,031
Speaker 5: TV like Survivor. It's a global, very famous TV show.

466
00:21:16,111 --> 00:21:19,591
Speaker 5: Everyone knows Survivor and there's usually one black face on

467
00:21:19,671 --> 00:21:22,111
Speaker 5: there and everyone claims that black father.

468
00:21:22,191 --> 00:21:24,111
Speaker 1: Oh my god, there's my sister.

469
00:21:24,271 --> 00:21:27,631
Speaker 5: My daughter would say, there's a Murray girl in there.

470
00:21:27,671 --> 00:21:29,831
Speaker 5: Doesn't matter whether you're Kirby and you're a nung A

471
00:21:29,951 --> 00:21:33,391
Speaker 5: woman or whatever you are, but my daughter will straight

472
00:21:33,431 --> 00:21:37,511
Speaker 5: away kind of see herself. So that's one of us, mum,

473
00:21:38,151 --> 00:21:42,391
Speaker 5: And to me that is important, Like representation is so important,

474
00:21:42,431 --> 00:21:43,351
Speaker 5: that's so important.

475
00:21:43,431 --> 00:21:46,191
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm very proud to be up there on that

476
00:21:46,231 --> 00:21:48,551
Speaker 2: big screen. Mob love you.

477
00:21:52,631 --> 00:21:53,511
Speaker 1: So what are your hobbies?

478
00:21:53,511 --> 00:21:56,711
Speaker 5: Like, what do you do when you're not acting, when

479
00:21:56,711 --> 00:22:00,231
Speaker 5: you're not modeling, and when you're not doing the social work?

480
00:22:00,271 --> 00:22:01,951
Speaker 1: What do you like to do when you spare time?

481
00:22:02,071 --> 00:22:04,191
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think for me will reach. I've been a

482
00:22:04,191 --> 00:22:06,311
Speaker 2: bit slacked these last couple of weeks, have just moved here,

483
00:22:06,311 --> 00:22:09,431
Speaker 2: but the gym was a massive thing for me for

484
00:22:09,511 --> 00:22:12,351
Speaker 2: the last four or five months of really like being

485
00:22:12,391 --> 00:22:16,671
Speaker 2: feeling strong again and keep on top of that, I'm

486
00:22:16,711 --> 00:22:18,831
Speaker 2: really like I spent a lot of time with my

487
00:22:18,871 --> 00:22:21,551
Speaker 2: friends just going out to dinner and eating good food and.

488
00:22:21,791 --> 00:22:22,911
Speaker 1: Live in your best life.

489
00:22:22,991 --> 00:22:24,631
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm chill.

490
00:22:25,391 --> 00:22:30,391
Speaker 5: And to annie of our especially our younger black girls,

491
00:22:30,631 --> 00:22:35,151
Speaker 5: our little sisters, our daughters, our nieces, what advice would

492
00:22:35,151 --> 00:22:38,031
Speaker 5: you give them as they navigate their blackness?

493
00:22:38,191 --> 00:22:42,391
Speaker 2: Be unapologetically you Yeah, don't apologize for your blackness. There's

494
00:22:42,431 --> 00:22:44,991
Speaker 2: no need for that. Go for it. You can do everything.

495
00:22:45,831 --> 00:22:47,151
Speaker 1: I think this is what we need to hear.

496
00:22:47,911 --> 00:22:51,991
Speaker 5: Like my daughter said to me this morning that she

497
00:22:52,111 --> 00:22:55,071
Speaker 5: would love if her skin was the same color as

498
00:22:55,111 --> 00:23:00,591
Speaker 5: her brother's legs. His legs, she likes that lighter brown,

499
00:23:00,791 --> 00:23:06,911
Speaker 5: she said to me this morning. And those comments right,

500
00:23:06,951 --> 00:23:08,191
Speaker 5: because you know how they're thinking.

501
00:23:08,271 --> 00:23:10,951
Speaker 2: I speak about this and survivor actually about the racism

502
00:23:10,991 --> 00:23:14,071
Speaker 2: that I faced. I was in Tormba growing up there,

503
00:23:14,391 --> 00:23:17,551
Speaker 2: and I wanted to bleach my skin when I was

504
00:23:17,591 --> 00:23:20,071
Speaker 2: younger and lucky, I had no money, but I remember

505
00:23:20,591 --> 00:23:22,951
Speaker 2: specifically watching this woman in Jamaica how she used to

506
00:23:22,951 --> 00:23:26,391
Speaker 2: safely bleach her skin, and she had these products and

507
00:23:26,431 --> 00:23:30,671
Speaker 2: I would research about but it was so deep that

508
00:23:31,391 --> 00:23:35,911
Speaker 2: my blackness was never considered beautiful that I wanted to

509
00:23:35,951 --> 00:23:38,391
Speaker 2: literally change my skin. So that hurts my heart when

510
00:23:38,431 --> 00:23:40,631
Speaker 2: I hear that, because it's I know that there's so

511
00:23:40,711 --> 00:23:42,631
Speaker 2: many little black girls out there that felt the exact

512
00:23:42,671 --> 00:23:44,191
Speaker 2: same way as me. And I got up there on

513
00:23:44,231 --> 00:23:46,151
Speaker 2: that platform and I said that you.

514
00:23:46,111 --> 00:23:48,791
Speaker 5: Shared it with the world. How did people respond to,

515
00:23:49,591 --> 00:23:51,991
Speaker 5: you know, you sharing that. What are some of the

516
00:23:52,071 --> 00:23:55,551
Speaker 5: reactions there were some of the comments from people, Were

517
00:23:55,551 --> 00:23:56,191
Speaker 5: they supportive?

518
00:23:56,271 --> 00:23:57,671
Speaker 1: Did they understand? Were they shocked?

519
00:23:57,911 --> 00:23:59,591
Speaker 2: A lot of white people that I was talking to

520
00:23:59,711 --> 00:24:03,791
Speaker 2: that are shocked that it happens. And I think it's

521
00:24:03,831 --> 00:24:07,711
Speaker 2: almost unbelievable if they're not somebody who's you know, but

522
00:24:07,791 --> 00:24:10,191
Speaker 2: they also wouldn't be seeing it, feeling it.

523
00:24:10,391 --> 00:24:11,511
Speaker 1: I've never experienced it.

524
00:24:11,631 --> 00:24:14,231
Speaker 2: Yeah, so there's a lot of like micro racism that

525
00:24:14,231 --> 00:24:16,191
Speaker 2: they just wouldn't even be aware of.

526
00:24:16,471 --> 00:24:16,671
Speaker 4: Yeah.

527
00:24:16,711 --> 00:24:18,551
Speaker 2: So I think it's a big shock factor when I

528
00:24:18,591 --> 00:24:22,071
Speaker 2: speak about actually how terrible it really was for me

529
00:24:22,151 --> 00:24:23,191
Speaker 2: growing up black.

530
00:24:23,791 --> 00:24:27,231
Speaker 5: And for the industry now, like, what's something that you

531
00:24:27,271 --> 00:24:30,551
Speaker 5: could share with the industry that are looking for more

532
00:24:30,591 --> 00:24:32,591
Speaker 5: black faces on their TV shows?

533
00:24:32,631 --> 00:24:33,831
Speaker 1: What could you share with them?

534
00:24:34,151 --> 00:24:38,071
Speaker 2: I think for me coming into that like acting industry,

535
00:24:38,631 --> 00:24:40,591
Speaker 2: the one thing I don't want is to be pigeonholed.

536
00:24:40,591 --> 00:24:42,511
Speaker 2: I don't want to just play this black character, this

537
00:24:42,631 --> 00:24:45,791
Speaker 2: black because we're more than that, Right, I'm an actress

538
00:24:45,871 --> 00:24:48,351
Speaker 2: who is aboriginal. Yeah, I just don't want to be

539
00:24:48,351 --> 00:24:48,911
Speaker 2: sitting and.

540
00:24:48,951 --> 00:24:51,471
Speaker 1: I should have defined its every part of your life.

541
00:24:51,551 --> 00:24:52,831
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like I want to be able to play a

542
00:24:52,831 --> 00:24:55,311
Speaker 2: girl interrupt a role about us, role like tomb raider

543
00:24:55,471 --> 00:24:57,471
Speaker 2: or like you know, it's something where I'm in an

544
00:24:57,511 --> 00:25:01,711
Speaker 2: action movie. I don't want these roles ever to be specific,

545
00:25:01,711 --> 00:25:03,911
Speaker 2: because that pigeon holds us and keep us as this.

546
00:25:04,071 --> 00:25:05,311
Speaker 4: You know, we're more than that.

547
00:25:05,311 --> 00:25:08,591
Speaker 1: We don't get to evolve, No, because push those.

548
00:25:08,391 --> 00:25:10,831
Speaker 2: Boundaries because they need they need a you know, young

549
00:25:10,911 --> 00:25:13,591
Speaker 2: black girl to play this role. Or you know, they're

550
00:25:13,631 --> 00:25:16,391
Speaker 2: doing a story about colonization, how that happened and we

551
00:25:16,471 --> 00:25:17,231
Speaker 2: need some you know.

552
00:25:17,511 --> 00:25:19,711
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's about black face.

553
00:25:19,871 --> 00:25:21,911
Speaker 2: No, and all the stories are about the pain. Like

554
00:25:22,911 --> 00:25:25,271
Speaker 2: these roles. That doesn't have to just be black. Create

555
00:25:25,311 --> 00:25:27,911
Speaker 2: the roles and just don't look at a black actor

556
00:25:27,951 --> 00:25:30,591
Speaker 2: and think all you see is your aboriginality.

557
00:25:30,911 --> 00:25:34,511
Speaker 5: Don't limit like, don't limit their thinking from there. Yeah,

558
00:25:34,711 --> 00:25:38,031
Speaker 5: so that's really good advice. Right, I don't reach out

559
00:25:38,031 --> 00:25:38,911
Speaker 5: to us just.

560
00:25:38,871 --> 00:25:42,351
Speaker 2: For black roles, just for black roles. It's tokenistic. You're

561
00:25:42,351 --> 00:25:44,791
Speaker 2: not seeing me more than just my blackness, you're not

562
00:25:44,791 --> 00:25:46,351
Speaker 2: seeing me as an actress.

563
00:25:47,351 --> 00:25:50,511
Speaker 5: And that can be that that holds people back from

564
00:25:50,591 --> 00:25:54,231
Speaker 5: reaching their full potential. Uh huh, yeah, yeah, So how

565
00:25:54,271 --> 00:25:56,271
Speaker 5: do we kind of push those boundaries or we need

566
00:25:56,311 --> 00:25:57,791
Speaker 5: to let the industry know.

567
00:25:57,911 --> 00:26:01,551
Speaker 2: That, Yeah, let's let the industry know that there's when

568
00:26:01,591 --> 00:26:04,831
Speaker 2: you've got a role, don't just look at black actors

569
00:26:04,831 --> 00:26:08,231
Speaker 2: for a black role, see us more than just blackness.

570
00:26:08,311 --> 00:26:10,991
Speaker 5: I feel one that my cup is full just seeing

571
00:26:10,991 --> 00:26:13,951
Speaker 5: another black woman and a young black woman out there

572
00:26:13,991 --> 00:26:18,071
Speaker 5: holding your own and just the fact that especially younger

573
00:26:18,071 --> 00:26:21,431
Speaker 5: black women and our sisters and nieces that are listening

574
00:26:21,431 --> 00:26:25,431
Speaker 5: to this, you know, I hope that they find some

575
00:26:25,991 --> 00:26:29,911
Speaker 5: not peace within themselves, but just comfort in knowing that

576
00:26:30,391 --> 00:26:32,871
Speaker 5: if Asha can do it, if as she can be

577
00:26:32,991 --> 00:26:39,031
Speaker 5: on Survivor, I can too. And to hopefully encourage them

578
00:26:39,151 --> 00:26:43,391
Speaker 5: to kind of take up space to be unapologetically black,

579
00:26:44,151 --> 00:26:48,311
Speaker 5: and you know, even to move to another state to

580
00:26:48,471 --> 00:26:52,471
Speaker 5: chase your dreams and to hopefully, you know, keep building

581
00:26:52,511 --> 00:26:56,551
Speaker 5: your career and get those big opportunities on the big screen.

582
00:26:57,271 --> 00:27:01,311
Speaker 5: We do it with more hopefully directors and producers that

583
00:27:01,431 --> 00:27:03,471
Speaker 5: can actually see that you'd be a good fit for

584
00:27:03,471 --> 00:27:05,671
Speaker 5: a role but not just not just a black, a

585
00:27:05,711 --> 00:27:13,151
Speaker 5: black role. Thank you very much for being who you are,

586
00:27:13,351 --> 00:27:18,071
Speaker 5: for being unapologetically black, and for repping our people on

587
00:27:18,151 --> 00:27:21,911
Speaker 5: an international stage and platform like Survivor television.

588
00:27:22,191 --> 00:27:23,311
Speaker 1: I can't wait to watch.

589
00:27:23,391 --> 00:27:23,591
Speaker 5: Yeah.

590
00:27:23,711 --> 00:27:25,431
Speaker 2: Thank you, my sister, Thanks for having me.

591
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