WEBVTT - UNPACKED REALITY - AUSTRALIAN SURVIVOR - ELIMINATION CHAT 0:00:00.200 --> 0:00:01.760 It's in the news today, but it was actually on 0:00:01.840 --> 0:00:04.519 TV Reload, the podcast Past Deep Their Life. 0:00:04.760 --> 0:00:07.200 Hey guys, welcome back to TV Reload. I want to 0:00:07.200 --> 0:00:09.760 thank you for clicking and downloading. On today's episode with 0:00:09.880 --> 0:00:14.440 superfan Eden, the twelve eliminated contestant from this year's Astrained Survivor, 0:00:14.560 --> 0:00:17.200 which is now on Network ten, I will be talking 0:00:17.280 --> 0:00:19.840 about Eden's time in Samoa and of course what he 0:00:19.880 --> 0:00:22.480 thinks now that the smoke has well and truly been 0:00:22.560 --> 0:00:26.320 snuffed out on his torch. Astraian Survivor Titans Versus Rebels 0:00:26.440 --> 0:00:29.000 is a showdown that pits the winners against the underdogs 0:00:29.040 --> 0:00:31.520 and the big wigs against the battlers, with each player 0:00:31.560 --> 0:00:34.400 competing for a grand prize of half a million dollars. 0:00:34.680 --> 0:00:36.960 Eden is a cinema manager from Melbourne, living out his 0:00:37.040 --> 0:00:40.240 best Survivor fantasy life. Eden's started the game on a 0:00:40.320 --> 0:00:45.080 high note, enabling his strategic prowess by orchestrating Frank his blindside. 0:00:45.240 --> 0:00:48.000 Despite having a tendency for paranoia, he was able to 0:00:48.080 --> 0:00:50.440 keep his angst at bay with the help of his allies. 0:00:50.920 --> 0:00:54.400 After the explosive breakup of the Titans merge, Eden rallied 0:00:54.400 --> 0:00:57.600 the Titans to reunite against the Rebels. Although he was 0:00:57.680 --> 0:01:00.760 successful in his endeavor, the Rebels caught onto the Titan's 0:01:00.840 --> 0:01:04.200 duplicity and piled their votes onto him, forcing a tie. 0:01:04.480 --> 0:01:07.959 Fans may say that Jaden is responsible for Eden's exit, 0:01:08.120 --> 0:01:11.360 who flipped on the revote to exchange revenge against him 0:01:11.400 --> 0:01:14.880 for blindsiding his best mate winner in the previous round. 0:01:15.440 --> 0:01:18.840 Eden will unpack his movie quotes and survivor references and 0:01:18.880 --> 0:01:21.640 provide us with some deleted gold that he dropped during 0:01:21.680 --> 0:01:25.360 his confessionals. We will discuss the added pressure of being 0:01:25.360 --> 0:01:27.920 a super fan and if it actually helped his game 0:01:28.160 --> 0:01:30.800 or added just too much pressure. There was a lot 0:01:30.800 --> 0:01:33.440 of conversation about Eden covering his mouth and why he 0:01:33.520 --> 0:01:36.040 was often seen drinking water from a water bottle, which 0:01:36.200 --> 0:01:39.440 Eden will give us a very simple explanation for. Plus, 0:01:39.440 --> 0:01:41.480 we will get some insights into why winning a car 0:01:41.560 --> 0:01:44.120 could be a curse and what exactly he thinks is 0:01:44.120 --> 0:01:47.000 going to happen with Mark's invisible hand. There's actually so 0:01:47.120 --> 0:01:49.520 much to unpack with Eden, and he's really fun to 0:01:49.560 --> 0:01:51.800 talk to, of course, so sit back and relax as 0:01:51.840 --> 0:01:54.400 we dive just that little bit deeper into the world 0:01:54.520 --> 0:01:55.920 of Australian survivor. 0:01:56.280 --> 0:01:57.680 I'm so excited to be talking to you. 0:01:57.760 --> 0:02:00.320 I just want to say, so, how are you and 0:02:00.520 --> 0:02:01.760 did you get any sleep? 0:02:01.880 --> 0:02:03.840 I did not get any sleep. I was tossing and 0:02:03.840 --> 0:02:06.320 turning all night. And that would be because my seventeen 0:02:06.360 --> 0:02:08.160 month old baby does not sleep at the moment. 0:02:08.280 --> 0:02:08.840 And on the. 0:02:08.720 --> 0:02:10.760 Island I was exactly the same. I wouldn't sleep very 0:02:10.800 --> 0:02:13.640 much on the island. I would just be running numbers votes, 0:02:14.040 --> 0:02:15.840 what we could do, what's the backup plan, to the 0:02:15.880 --> 0:02:17.679 backup plan. I would just sit up at night just 0:02:17.720 --> 0:02:19.120 going okay, well, if they did this and they use 0:02:19.120 --> 0:02:20.960 an idol, then we need three people here to do this. 0:02:21.440 --> 0:02:22.560 That was my life on the island. 0:02:22.560 --> 0:02:24.440 And then I've come back and now I've got a 0:02:24.440 --> 0:02:26.160 baby keeping me up as well, so I need to 0:02:26.200 --> 0:02:26.760 get some sleep. 0:02:26.760 --> 0:02:27.320 At some point. 0:02:27.520 --> 0:02:28.600 You gave this show. 0:02:28.919 --> 0:02:32.560 You're all like, if anyone that was a participant this 0:02:32.680 --> 0:02:35.280 year or castaway, whatever we want to call that, you 0:02:35.320 --> 0:02:38.040 could see it in you that you were giving this 0:02:38.200 --> 0:02:40.120 here all. And from the bottom of my heart, I 0:02:40.160 --> 0:02:43.720 want to say I was entertained answer just to answer 0:02:43.760 --> 0:02:44.160 your question. 0:02:44.919 --> 0:02:47.440 Thank you, Thank you so much better. Yeah, no, look obviously, 0:02:47.600 --> 0:02:49.880 it's been a dream of mine. I've been watching this 0:02:49.919 --> 0:02:52.639 show for twenty three years, back from day one. It's 0:02:52.680 --> 0:02:55.400 been an absolute dream to play. I auditioned for the 0:02:55.440 --> 0:02:58.160 last eight years, didn't stop auditioning since it came back 0:02:58.200 --> 0:03:00.960 to Australian television. It was always something that I felt 0:03:00.960 --> 0:03:02.400 in my head. I'm like, I'm going to get on 0:03:02.400 --> 0:03:04.880 this show. I'm like it's going to happen at some point. 0:03:05.000 --> 0:03:07.079 The first time twenty sixteen, I got all the way 0:03:07.080 --> 0:03:08.640 to the end of the auditions and just missed out. 0:03:08.720 --> 0:03:11.160 Then I didn't hear from them again. And then this 0:03:11.240 --> 0:03:13.480 rolled around and I was like everything just lined up 0:03:13.680 --> 0:03:16.079 and I made it on and like literally it was 0:03:16.080 --> 0:03:18.280 a dream come true. Every day out there, I had 0:03:18.280 --> 0:03:19.240 the biggest smile. 0:03:19.000 --> 0:03:21.120 On my face. I was just like, oh, this is 0:03:21.240 --> 0:03:22.880 like this and this challenge is from here. This is 0:03:22.919 --> 0:03:23.320 really cool. 0:03:23.360 --> 0:03:26.200 And I remember JLP actually said to me on one 0:03:26.200 --> 0:03:29.000 of the very first mat chats, He's like, this guy, 0:03:29.040 --> 0:03:31.960 this talk I hear you have not stopped smiling the 0:03:32.160 --> 0:03:34.040 entire time you've been out here. You must be one 0:03:34.040 --> 0:03:36.120 of the biggest fans we've ever had. On I was like, 0:03:36.440 --> 0:03:38.520 thank you for blowing up my bigger so. 0:03:38.720 --> 0:03:43.080 I could see that I could feel myself living vicariously 0:03:43.160 --> 0:03:46.280 through your Survivor journey because of that, like, and I'm 0:03:46.360 --> 0:03:49.240 sure that there's so many diehard Survivor fans that would 0:03:49.240 --> 0:03:51.760 feel exactly the same way. I've been following you as 0:03:51.800 --> 0:03:54.880 well on your social media, so I just felt like 0:03:54.920 --> 0:03:57.800 I need to start by saying that. Coincidentally, and this 0:03:57.840 --> 0:04:00.600 is how I know we're best friends. Are Passic Park 0:04:00.720 --> 0:04:02.960 movie order is exactly the same. 0:04:02.880 --> 0:04:05.000 Right we were in seeking my friend. I have the 0:04:05.040 --> 0:04:05.760 same T shirt. 0:04:05.760 --> 0:04:10.040 It's over there if I if I paused the go 0:04:10.080 --> 0:04:13.320 and get it, it wouldn't work for a podcast, But yeah, 0:04:13.320 --> 0:04:15.640 I love What were some of the movie quotes that 0:04:15.920 --> 0:04:18.320 you dropped through your confessionals that we didn't get a 0:04:18.400 --> 0:04:21.440 chance to see because I'd heard a lot while the 0:04:21.480 --> 0:04:24.920 filming was going down that you were quite the master 0:04:25.000 --> 0:04:27.599 at your confessionals, and so I was expecting that you 0:04:27.720 --> 0:04:28.360 dropped a lot. 0:04:28.600 --> 0:04:30.800 So maybe you can just give me your top one hundred. 0:04:33.320 --> 0:04:33.880 No, I was. 0:04:34.080 --> 0:04:37.279 I was loving my my movie references out there. I 0:04:37.279 --> 0:04:40.200 think every single one of my voting professionals I had, Yeah, 0:04:40.200 --> 0:04:42.760 I terminated for Frankie, I had New Girl. 0:04:42.880 --> 0:04:45.960 You know the TV show New Girl. It's Jesses vote 0:04:46.560 --> 0:04:46.920 I had. 0:04:47.320 --> 0:04:49.920 I had a great top gun one for Nathan about 0:04:49.960 --> 0:04:53.479 how this time Maverick isn't going to survive, but Goose 0:04:53.600 --> 0:04:53.920 is going. 0:04:53.880 --> 0:04:55.800 To live with my mistache. I wanted to. 0:04:55.920 --> 0:04:58.360 I just want like a like a little montage of 0:04:58.400 --> 0:05:01.520 a quotes. But you know what also really impressed the 0:05:01.600 --> 0:05:04.760 fans was your little Easter eggs as well. Throughout the show. 0:05:04.800 --> 0:05:06.839 There were things that got dropped in there. There was 0:05:06.920 --> 0:05:09.880 so much fun and so much depth into your time 0:05:09.920 --> 0:05:12.760 in the show that I felt like, You've done yourself 0:05:12.800 --> 0:05:13.440 so proud. 0:05:13.680 --> 0:05:15.240 Honestly, that's just for I. 0:05:15.320 --> 0:05:17.200 Like eighty percent of things that I say are in quotes, 0:05:17.200 --> 0:05:18.840 and when my friends always do it all the time, 0:05:18.880 --> 0:05:21.280 and that's like I love that. I love pop culture 0:05:21.320 --> 0:05:24.200 and to be out there and to that's just literally me. 0:05:24.400 --> 0:05:27.360 That's yeah, I will reference Survivor with my friends. So yeah, 0:05:27.360 --> 0:05:29.159 of course I'm going to say, look, I've made Merge 0:05:29.200 --> 0:05:31.760 un datable, or I'm bamboozled when I get voted out, 0:05:31.880 --> 0:05:33.960 or am I going to ruffle some feathers. These are 0:05:34.000 --> 0:05:35.919 just things that I just talk about normally, and so 0:05:35.960 --> 0:05:38.040 it was really fun. To incorporate that sort of stuff 0:05:38.080 --> 0:05:40.080 into my time out there, and I'm so glad. The 0:05:40.120 --> 0:05:42.240 feedback from the fans were like, Hey, is that a 0:05:42.240 --> 0:05:45.320 reference to this? And Hey, did you just reference Arrested 0:05:45.360 --> 0:05:47.560 Development when you said I've made a huge mistake. I'm like, 0:05:47.760 --> 0:05:48.479 of course I did. 0:05:48.680 --> 0:05:49.280 Of course you did. 0:05:49.760 --> 0:05:52.160 I love following it on social media as well, because 0:05:52.240 --> 0:05:54.640 all of these different communities that people could interact with 0:05:54.680 --> 0:05:58.240 this show. Everyone was enjoying the fact that you were 0:05:58.520 --> 0:06:01.080 teasing us with little puzzle see you know what I mean, Like, 0:06:01.279 --> 0:06:02.839 that's what people want these days. 0:06:03.080 --> 0:06:04.240 It's the game within a game. 0:06:04.640 --> 0:06:06.880 What do you think about the way in which we 0:06:06.960 --> 0:06:09.400 got to see your time in Samoa? Why do you 0:06:09.400 --> 0:06:12.039 think some of the other storylines managed to rise to 0:06:12.080 --> 0:06:13.520 the top. Do you think it had a lot to 0:06:13.560 --> 0:06:16.280 do with who was up for elimination? 0:06:16.640 --> 0:06:19.240 Look, I may have done too good a job of 0:06:19.279 --> 0:06:22.000 managing my threat level. Basically I was dropping a lot 0:06:22.000 --> 0:06:23.760 of seeds and doing a lot of things in the 0:06:23.760 --> 0:06:27.200 background to sort of influence votes and making sure things 0:06:27.240 --> 0:06:29.440 went the way that I wanted them to go, Like, 0:06:29.480 --> 0:06:32.360 for instance, the v vote, which is a very pivotal 0:06:32.480 --> 0:06:33.279 vote in the name. 0:06:33.120 --> 0:06:33.560 Of the game. 0:06:33.839 --> 0:06:37.160 That was very much me having an understanding of timing 0:06:37.400 --> 0:06:40.760 and planting seeds in Survivor, so I knew logically in 0:06:40.800 --> 0:06:43.680 that position, you don't turn on your lights at that point. 0:06:43.720 --> 0:06:46.360 You establish power, you vote off one of the rebels, 0:06:46.400 --> 0:06:48.360 and you move forward as a Titan group, and then 0:06:48.360 --> 0:06:50.440 the next vote you probably turn on each other. I 0:06:50.520 --> 0:06:53.320 knew Mark was a superlogical player, that's the logical thing 0:06:53.360 --> 0:06:55.240 to do, So I knew at that point got to 0:06:55.240 --> 0:06:57.839 strike early before they think that it's happening. And all 0:06:57.880 --> 0:06:59.440 I had to do was just mention it to Kittie, like, hey, 0:06:59.440 --> 0:07:01.320 do you think we shoul do something now, like we 0:07:01.800 --> 0:07:04.320 could maybe mix things up a bit. Then Kitty then 0:07:04.360 --> 0:07:07.040 goes sells it to Caroline. Caroline then comes back to 0:07:07.080 --> 0:07:08.880 me and goes, this is what we're doing. This is 0:07:08.960 --> 0:07:10.680 this is the plan, and they ran with it and 0:07:10.720 --> 0:07:13.360 they got everyone else involved. They built it up and 0:07:13.640 --> 0:07:15.880 at the end of the day it worked perfectly. I 0:07:15.960 --> 0:07:18.280 chopped Mark's legs out from under him, so he was 0:07:18.400 --> 0:07:20.800 more sort of reliant on me in the game because 0:07:20.840 --> 0:07:22.760 me and Mark did have a really good relationship. But 0:07:22.800 --> 0:07:24.640 at the same time, no one was talking about revenge 0:07:24.640 --> 0:07:27.080 against Eden. It was all revenge against Caroline and Kitty, 0:07:27.160 --> 0:07:28.600 and that's sort of what I wanted. So a lot 0:07:28.600 --> 0:07:30.520 of the game I was managing my threat level in 0:07:30.520 --> 0:07:33.600 a way that maybe didn't translate as well, but it 0:07:33.680 --> 0:07:36.280 kept me in a really good position in the game itself. 0:07:36.320 --> 0:07:38.640 I also felt that You've got some big characters and 0:07:38.680 --> 0:07:42.200 some big storylines with Mark and Caroline and Kirby and Ferris, 0:07:42.240 --> 0:07:44.800 and I was doing a lot out there strategy wise 0:07:44.840 --> 0:07:47.240 that didn't sort of make its way through. Some of 0:07:47.280 --> 0:07:49.440 the relationships I had sort of fell away, Like me 0:07:49.440 --> 0:07:52.680 and Charles were super tight, super tight the Big Daddy alliance. 0:07:52.720 --> 0:07:55.600 We both knew dads, and so when Charles left, that 0:07:55.720 --> 0:07:58.280 sort of impacted me, and so that sort of falls away. 0:07:58.480 --> 0:08:02.200 But honestly, for a pre jury boot, which I am now, 0:08:02.600 --> 0:08:04.440 I'm going to claim the best player to not make 0:08:04.520 --> 0:08:08.560 jury their merch merch to basically get to where I 0:08:08.560 --> 0:08:11.560 got to and still be entertaining and still have those 0:08:11.560 --> 0:08:13.320 moments like a lot of people that go out pre 0:08:13.400 --> 0:08:16.280 merge maybe don't have those moments and don't have their things. 0:08:16.280 --> 0:08:18.000 So I'm super happy that I got to share my 0:08:18.080 --> 0:08:19.320 love of the game, and there are a lot of 0:08:19.400 --> 0:08:21.840 key points in the show, Like I think I was 0:08:21.920 --> 0:08:24.480 sort of narrating us through the swap, through the merge, 0:08:24.520 --> 0:08:26.400 to the very first vote, to the start of the thing, 0:08:26.520 --> 0:08:28.640 So I think I was that voice sort of get 0:08:28.720 --> 0:08:31.440 us through those points and then not necessarily some of 0:08:31.520 --> 0:08:34.480 the big wars going on, and I was fine not 0:08:34.600 --> 0:08:37.360 being in the war. But ultimately maybe if I had 0:08:37.400 --> 0:08:39.520 lasted longer in the game that would changed a bit. 0:08:39.559 --> 0:08:39.959 But I am. 0:08:40.080 --> 0:08:42.720 I'm super happy that that people saw my love of 0:08:42.760 --> 0:08:44.960 the game out there and it was really great. A 0:08:44.960 --> 0:08:46.560 lot of feedback that I did get was you know, 0:08:46.600 --> 0:08:49.000 it's so great like out there on the island, and 0:08:49.040 --> 0:08:50.319 when I got back home, they're like, you know, it's 0:08:50.320 --> 0:08:52.720 so great about watching you in We're literally watching someone 0:08:52.880 --> 0:08:56.120 live out their dream on live television, and. 0:08:56.080 --> 0:08:58.480 It does beg the question is it easier or harder 0:08:58.520 --> 0:09:00.400 to be a super fan when it comes to how 0:09:00.480 --> 0:09:02.800 far you can get in the game, Because I could 0:09:02.880 --> 0:09:05.280 imagine being as big a super fan as you are, 0:09:05.400 --> 0:09:08.000 there is the possibility of getting inside your head or 0:09:08.160 --> 0:09:11.280 the pressure of the realities might become quite hard. 0:09:11.440 --> 0:09:13.640 I completely agree. I think there's a couple of things. 0:09:13.760 --> 0:09:16.360 One is you can get really worried about. 0:09:16.160 --> 0:09:18.080 Going home early. This is the dream of yours. 0:09:18.080 --> 0:09:19.960 You've been wanting to get on the show for so long, 0:09:20.160 --> 0:09:22.200 and to go out first or seconds and only be 0:09:22.200 --> 0:09:23.880 out there for a couple of days is like, I 0:09:23.920 --> 0:09:25.520 just don't want that to happen. I don't want that happened. 0:09:25.520 --> 0:09:28.120 And you can almost manifest it. You can be worried 0:09:28.120 --> 0:09:29.960 about it so much that it starts to come through. 0:09:30.080 --> 0:09:33.040 But it's all about sort of managing those expectations. Then 0:09:33.080 --> 0:09:34.559 what happens is people know you're a big fan of 0:09:34.600 --> 0:09:36.360 the game, and so you become sort of that oracle 0:09:36.440 --> 0:09:38.400 of hey En, what usually happens? Now, Hey, Ian, have 0:09:38.440 --> 0:09:40.600 they done this challenge before? Hey Eiden, when did this happen? 0:09:40.640 --> 0:09:42.560 I'm like, did it it? This happened on this episode 0:09:42.559 --> 0:09:44.640 and this time. They've done this three times. They haven't 0:09:44.640 --> 0:09:46.600 picked rocks before, but they've done this verreer And that's 0:09:46.640 --> 0:09:49.360 great up until a point when people go, you know what, 0:09:49.720 --> 0:09:52.000 Eden knows a lot about this game. He's a threat. 0:09:52.000 --> 0:09:53.800 We've got to get rid of him at some point. 0:09:53.880 --> 0:09:56.720 And so then it sort of flips to become really dangerous. 0:09:56.760 --> 0:09:59.000 But at the same time, because I've seen so many 0:09:59.040 --> 0:10:01.880 episodes because I've been aware of the moves in the past. 0:10:02.000 --> 0:10:05.199 You can pick things up and Okay, so in this situation, 0:10:05.400 --> 0:10:07.920 the best way forward is to do this, and logically, 0:10:08.040 --> 0:10:10.400 in this situation, you would do this. And so I 0:10:10.440 --> 0:10:13.679 felt myself drawing on that knowledge a lot, which was great, 0:10:13.720 --> 0:10:16.000 but a lot of people out there knew I was 0:10:16.640 --> 0:10:17.559 really switched off. 0:10:17.920 --> 0:10:19.960 It made me wonder whether or not you thought the 0:10:20.000 --> 0:10:22.400 same thing as me. But in the history of these shows, 0:10:22.400 --> 0:10:24.400 the person who gets the car doesn't win the show. 0:10:24.640 --> 0:10:25.319 The car curse. 0:10:25.640 --> 0:10:27.560 Yeah, so when I saw Mark win that, I was like, 0:10:27.920 --> 0:10:33.040 my bitch, you know. Yeah, it's so bizarre because this 0:10:33.400 --> 0:10:37.240 anomaly has happened through so many shows. Like it's not 0:10:37.520 --> 0:10:40.439 just Survivor or Big Brother or The Block or anything, 0:10:40.679 --> 0:10:42.440 it's all of them, all of them. If there's a 0:10:42.480 --> 0:10:44.960 car on the table, if you get that car, drive 0:10:45.000 --> 0:10:46.920 home now, because you're not getting the main prize. 0:10:46.960 --> 0:10:50.120 The car curse is real, and I think subconsciously it 0:10:50.160 --> 0:10:52.800 does work into people's understanding of who you are in 0:10:52.840 --> 0:10:54.640 the game. They go, well, he's won a car. He's 0:10:54.640 --> 0:10:57.480 already won the car, so like, let's just get rid 0:10:57.480 --> 0:10:59.520 of him. Let's just get the same and like even 0:10:59.559 --> 0:11:02.360 winning the They're Set for Life sixty k, like that 0:11:02.480 --> 0:11:05.120 starts to get into people's heads. Oh well, she's just 0:11:05.120 --> 0:11:07.160 one sixty k, so if we vote her out now, 0:11:07.559 --> 0:11:09.800 it's not so bad sort of thing. So that does 0:11:10.040 --> 0:11:12.360 play into people's psychological profiles of people. 0:11:12.280 --> 0:11:15.439 I think it does. Where did you find that hideous tracksuit? 0:11:15.679 --> 0:11:19.240 What the hell it's but I mean it's iconic now, right, 0:11:19.360 --> 0:11:20.840 it's iconic, and you know. 0:11:21.040 --> 0:11:22.800 I can see it in the background to the background. 0:11:22.880 --> 0:11:24.880 Yeah, yeah, it's hideous for people listening because this is 0:11:24.880 --> 0:11:27.840 a podcast, the hideous track seit is in the background. 0:11:27.880 --> 0:11:29.240 So I kind of want to ask you about the 0:11:29.280 --> 0:11:31.920 thought process of what you chose to wear on in Samoa, 0:11:32.040 --> 0:11:32.800 Like how do they go? 0:11:33.080 --> 0:11:36.240 Basically, any big fan knows that people have these iconic 0:11:36.440 --> 0:11:40.559 items of clothing, whether it's like Russell's hat or yeah, 0:11:40.679 --> 0:11:44.480 or a Boston Rob's Boston cap or Dave sarong from Australians, 0:11:44.480 --> 0:11:46.280 but like things like that really stand out. So I 0:11:46.280 --> 0:11:48.680 definitely wanted to go out there and I wasn't going 0:11:48.760 --> 0:11:50.200 to be wearing something suitable. 0:11:50.320 --> 0:11:51.959 No, I was going to be wearing something. 0:11:51.720 --> 0:11:54.600 That popped that showed that I was fun that I'd like, 0:11:54.760 --> 0:11:57.720 I was colorful, I had an up and about personality, 0:11:57.760 --> 0:11:59.160 and that's what I wanted to I wanted to show 0:11:59.160 --> 0:12:01.439 my pop culture ness. I wanted to like do all 0:12:01.440 --> 0:12:03.160 that at the end of the day, Like I had 0:12:03.200 --> 0:12:05.640 jeans out there for the first seven days before I 0:12:05.679 --> 0:12:08.600 got my bathers, which was wild. But that was my look, 0:12:08.640 --> 0:12:11.280 this nerdy pop cultue sort of guy with his Hawaiian 0:12:11.280 --> 0:12:14.240 shirt and his fun dinosaur hoodie and that hoodie. Yeah, 0:12:14.240 --> 0:12:16.600 that hoodie's getting to work out. It's seemed better days now. 0:12:16.679 --> 0:12:18.360 But where did you get it? What is that? 0:12:18.440 --> 0:12:18.760 Though? 0:12:18.960 --> 0:12:21.280 It's like, it's just it's just online. I bought it. 0:12:21.320 --> 0:12:23.520 I bought it a while ago, a couple of years 0:12:23.520 --> 0:12:25.880 ago actually, And every time I've worn it, it's from 0:12:25.920 --> 0:12:28.920 this company called Freshwoods, And every time I've worn it, 0:12:29.000 --> 0:12:32.080 people be like, that is the greatest jumper of all time. 0:12:32.160 --> 0:12:33.040 I love that jumper. 0:12:33.280 --> 0:12:35.320 Did you feel and I guess this is the question 0:12:35.480 --> 0:12:37.200 that's going to haunt you for the rest of your life. 0:12:37.240 --> 0:12:40.960 It did seem like your scramble was a little too hectic, 0:12:41.000 --> 0:12:43.320 it was a little too obvious. Do you think when 0:12:43.360 --> 0:12:46.240 you're in your hindsight, in your Sunday Morning quarterbacking of 0:12:46.320 --> 0:12:49.079 your time on the show. Do you think that was 0:12:49.120 --> 0:12:51.400 an edit like that's how we just saw it, or 0:12:51.440 --> 0:12:53.320 do you think that you probably went a little too hard. 0:12:53.480 --> 0:12:55.839 No, actually, I think the play was sound, But what 0:12:55.880 --> 0:12:57.839 there was a couple of things that sort of let 0:12:57.920 --> 0:12:58.640 us down that point. 0:12:58.720 --> 0:13:01.200 Look, I love Kitty. Kitty was my right or die 0:13:01.200 --> 0:13:01.480 out there. 0:13:01.559 --> 0:13:03.960 Kitty was so like I knew she was always going 0:13:04.040 --> 0:13:05.200 to be honest with me, and I was like, I 0:13:05.240 --> 0:13:07.160 love that. I can trust that Kitty's going to tell 0:13:07.160 --> 0:13:09.240 me the truth. But the flip side of that is 0:13:09.320 --> 0:13:12.079 then when you ask her to lie about stuff, she struggles, 0:13:12.200 --> 0:13:14.839 and it was a big hurdle for her to just 0:13:15.080 --> 0:13:17.319 flat out lighter people and be like yeah, no, no, no, 0:13:17.360 --> 0:13:19.440 this is all fun. This is all fun. Same with Carrot. 0:13:19.480 --> 0:13:21.559 Those guys, they took a lot of convincing to get 0:13:21.600 --> 0:13:24.160 on board. If we had just gone, this is a plan, 0:13:24.559 --> 0:13:26.520 it's going to reform us, we're going to have the power, 0:13:26.559 --> 0:13:27.959 we're going to have the majority we can before it 0:13:28.000 --> 0:13:30.000 in this game. And if they had just gone yep, cool, 0:13:30.040 --> 0:13:31.719 we're doing it, and then we'd all just separated, it 0:13:31.760 --> 0:13:34.360 actually would have worked fine. But we had to sort 0:13:34.400 --> 0:13:36.480 of keep going back to the girls and being like, hey, 0:13:36.480 --> 0:13:38.839 are you fine with this? Like are we on board? 0:13:38.840 --> 0:13:40.720 And there was a little bit of work to do. 0:13:40.840 --> 0:13:42.679 I just feel like, and you can see Ferris from 0:13:42.679 --> 0:13:45.080 the episode, he went and interrogated both of them to 0:13:45.120 --> 0:13:46.440 really sort of drill down on them, and they did. 0:13:46.600 --> 0:13:48.480 They did a really good job, but there was just 0:13:48.640 --> 0:13:51.640 enough there that just sent up enough of a little 0:13:51.679 --> 0:13:55.959 warning sign. So ultimately, look, it didn't pan out. Logically. 0:13:56.040 --> 0:13:57.479 Interestingly, though, Ben. 0:13:57.280 --> 0:14:00.160 It probably should have worked because in that situation, in 0:14:00.160 --> 0:14:02.240 a six on six vote, you want to put your 0:14:02.320 --> 0:14:05.400 votes onto someone that people will flip. So you actually 0:14:05.480 --> 0:14:07.199 don't want to put votes on me in that point, 0:14:07.240 --> 0:14:09.480 because I had a lot of support from the group, 0:14:09.559 --> 0:14:11.280 I had a lot of relationships. You actually want to 0:14:11.320 --> 0:14:13.400 put it on Carrow or you want to put it 0:14:13.480 --> 0:14:16.080 on Valeria, because those guys are not going to rocks 0:14:16.080 --> 0:14:18.520 for each other any time. So that's the play that 0:14:18.559 --> 0:14:20.520 you should actually do, because then we would have flipped 0:14:20.560 --> 0:14:22.280 on each other and it would have got one of 0:14:22.280 --> 0:14:24.560 them out. So to put it on me was super risky. 0:14:24.600 --> 0:14:26.440 I think Ferris had a good read, but I think 0:14:26.760 --> 0:14:30.040 logically and from a game perspective, it was super risky 0:14:30.080 --> 0:14:31.600 and it was probably the wrong person to put the 0:14:31.680 --> 0:14:33.960 votes on. I'm not sure whether those guys actually knew 0:14:34.200 --> 0:14:36.040 that they were going to go to Rocks for Like. 0:14:36.080 --> 0:14:38.240 I didn't think Kirby and Ree were willing to go 0:14:38.280 --> 0:14:40.360 to Rocks for Ray. They didn't have a relationship with Ray. 0:14:40.440 --> 0:14:42.480 Kirby had spent twelve episodes trying to get rid of 0:14:42.560 --> 0:14:44.440 him this entire time, so I was like, look, if 0:14:44.520 --> 0:14:46.120 worst comes to worst, they're not going to go to 0:14:46.240 --> 0:14:46.800 Rocks for Ray. 0:14:47.040 --> 0:14:49.160 I think it all happened so quickly and hectically. 0:14:49.160 --> 0:14:51.440 I don't think people were really thinking about it at 0:14:51.440 --> 0:14:53.720 that level of like, hey, I'm going to go to 0:14:53.800 --> 0:14:56.720 Rocks for this person. The only person and ironically the 0:14:56.720 --> 0:14:59.120 person that really wasn't thinking about was jaded. 0:14:59.200 --> 0:15:01.320 He just was Oh, cool, I'll just do this. Yeah 0:15:01.480 --> 0:15:02.520 I can do it. 0:15:02.600 --> 0:15:04.360 Because the first vote he was on board, he was 0:15:04.440 --> 0:15:06.200 voting with us. It's not like there was some big 0:15:06.240 --> 0:15:08.840 conspiracy that this was, Oh, we're going to I'm going 0:15:08.880 --> 0:15:11.000 to manipulate everything and I'm going to get my revenge. 0:15:11.040 --> 0:15:13.720 It was just literally, cool, I can change my vote now, 0:15:13.800 --> 0:15:16.040 Oh I'll just change my vote cool, have fun, and 0:15:16.080 --> 0:15:16.840 it robbed us. 0:15:17.320 --> 0:15:19.320 It robbed us of going to rocks first time. 0:15:19.880 --> 0:15:21.560 Straths of over history would have gone to Rocks and 0:15:21.600 --> 0:15:23.840 it would have been probably one of the craziest tribal 0:15:23.840 --> 0:15:24.680 councils of all time. 0:15:24.720 --> 0:15:25.720 I reckon I think. 0:15:25.560 --> 0:15:26.160 It would have been. 0:15:26.280 --> 0:15:28.120 I mean, it was interesting you said a few things there. 0:15:28.200 --> 0:15:31.040 I mean people noticed online. I didn't notice this as much, 0:15:31.080 --> 0:15:33.440 but people noticed that. They were saying that you were 0:15:33.520 --> 0:15:35.520 covering your mouth when you felt anxious or when you 0:15:35.520 --> 0:15:37.920 were lying. Did you I guess I'm not really interested 0:15:37.920 --> 0:15:39.800 as to whether or not that's true and whether or 0:15:39.800 --> 0:15:41.640 not the diehard fans picked up on that, But I 0:15:41.680 --> 0:15:43.880 guess I'm more interested about what you worked out about 0:15:43.880 --> 0:15:47.240 yourself and who you are when you watched yourself back. 0:15:47.320 --> 0:15:49.040 Did you notice some weird things like that? 0:15:49.440 --> 0:15:52.240 Yeah, A lot of that stuff is everyone because the 0:15:52.280 --> 0:15:55.640