WEBVTT - Ask Uncut - When a threesome turns into a pregnancy

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<v Speaker 1>Life Uncut acknowledges the traditional custodians of country. We pay

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<v Speaker 1>our respects to their elders past and present, Always was,

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<v Speaker 1>always will be Aboriginal Land. This episode was recorded on

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<v Speaker 1>Drug Wallamuta Land. Hi guys, and welcome back to another

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<v Speaker 1>episode of Life Uncut.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm Laura, I'm Brittany, and Brittany's back baby. Yeah it

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<v Speaker 2>was weird. I got a day off. I mean, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>so be nice.

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<v Speaker 1>Not intentionally, So you guys know, I'm doing their fertility journey,

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<v Speaker 1>the egg freezing, which is the two weeks of hormones.

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<v Speaker 1>And I've spoken about it many times, but if you're

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<v Speaker 1>new here, I'm in the middle of doing my egg freezing.

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<v Speaker 1>But what it means it's so time specific. Well, we

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<v Speaker 1>didn't realize.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean actually I did, because I knew last time

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<v Speaker 2>it was time specific. But like it's to the men,

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<v Speaker 2>it's very time specific.

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<v Speaker 1>And I mean when I say didn't realize, this is

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<v Speaker 1>my third time doing it, so know now. But going

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<v Speaker 1>into the process, and I think it's a really interesting

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<v Speaker 1>thing that a lot of people don't know. And this

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<v Speaker 1>is what I say to people when they're saying I

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<v Speaker 1>want to do it. What do I need to know

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<v Speaker 1>you need to be available. And when I say available

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<v Speaker 1>for a two week period, you have to be available

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<v Speaker 1>to go into the clinic to have your blood test,

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<v Speaker 1>to have your ultrasounds, their internal ultrasounds where the probe

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<v Speaker 1>goes in in your cervix. They scan the follicles from

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<v Speaker 1>the inside, and they check the lining, and they check

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<v Speaker 1>that they're growing. They do all their measurements, but that

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<v Speaker 1>is all very time sensitive.

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<v Speaker 2>So you'll do a blood test. I did a blood

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<v Speaker 2>test a couple of days ago.

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<v Speaker 1>Then they get the results and then they say, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>you need to come in Monday morning between seven and

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<v Speaker 1>eight thirty.

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<v Speaker 2>That's it.

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<v Speaker 1>So it doesn't matter what you've got on, you have

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<v Speaker 1>to be available because stove. Yeah, because the rest of

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<v Speaker 1>the testing and the rest of the injections and the

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<v Speaker 1>dosages depend on that result. So once that result comes back,

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<v Speaker 1>then I'll know when my next appointment is. So I

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<v Speaker 1>know now that I have to go back tomorrow morning

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<v Speaker 1>for another scan and another blood test to check how

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<v Speaker 1>they're growing. And so I couldn't come to the recording

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<v Speaker 1>last minute because I had to go and do this testing.

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<v Speaker 2>So produce a Keisha field in. Did it go all right,

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<v Speaker 2>it went great. That was Tuesday's episode. But how are

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<v Speaker 2>the baby little follicles blip?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, they're still unfortunately baby follicles.

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<v Speaker 2>So I have quite a lot.

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<v Speaker 1>So I've got about fourteen on one side and thirteen

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<v Speaker 1>on the other. So that's what the sonographer tells you.

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<v Speaker 1>But that's irrelevant because she didn't tell me the sizes.

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<v Speaker 1>She's like, oh, this is how many you've gotten. That

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<v Speaker 1>I got excited. That's what happened last time. But basically

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<v Speaker 1>it's how big they are and if they're mature enough

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<v Speaker 1>so quote unquote, so they do all the measurements. So

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<v Speaker 1>I've got a lot, but they're measuring most of them

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<v Speaker 1>are measuring really small.

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<v Speaker 2>What are you going to do this time? Do you

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<v Speaker 2>feel like this is the last time or do you

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<v Speaker 2>think it's something that you could do again. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>I thought the last time was the last time. It's

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<v Speaker 2>hard to know.

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<v Speaker 1>I won't know until I get my results, and I

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<v Speaker 1>don't want to do it again.

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<v Speaker 2>I already know that.

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<v Speaker 1>But if I get none again like last time, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>I'll probably keep going until I get some more.

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<v Speaker 2>Because none is none like.

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<v Speaker 1>None none zeropsent chance of me using those in the future.

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<v Speaker 1>So if I get none, I guess I'll go again.

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<v Speaker 1>But I wonder, and I know that so many people

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<v Speaker 1>in my dams, you know, I'm like third time. People

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<v Speaker 1>are like, oh my gosh, good luck, I'm up to

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<v Speaker 1>my fifteenth time. And I just think, oh my god,

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<v Speaker 1>like what you have gone through so many times? And

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<v Speaker 1>it's so common, like so many women saying thank you,

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<v Speaker 1>I feel so alone.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's why I put some polls up on my

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<v Speaker 2>Instagram a couple of days ago.

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<v Speaker 1>If you follow me, just trying to try and engage

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<v Speaker 1>how many you have done this process or about it? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so people can look at it and see it's actually

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<v Speaker 1>really quite common because so many people are messaging saying

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<v Speaker 1>they feel so lonely in the process, which is really

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<v Speaker 1>sad because it's really common and a lot of women

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<v Speaker 1>are going through it, I guess, just not a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of talking about it.

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<v Speaker 2>I read this really interesting article which I can't remember

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<v Speaker 2>where it was, but it was. I mean, it was

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<v Speaker 2>an opinion piece around how prolific conversations are about egg

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<v Speaker 2>freezing and how it's like, are we being made to

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<v Speaker 2>worry more than we should now about our fertility because

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<v Speaker 2>it seems like everyone is talking about egg freezing, and

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<v Speaker 2>I know it's been a big conversation for us over

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<v Speaker 2>the last couple of months, and it's something that is

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<v Speaker 2>so important to be aware of. But I wonder where

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<v Speaker 2>the tipping scale is in terms of how important it

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<v Speaker 2>is and how many people should have in terms of

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<v Speaker 2>if they were to go down the path of egg freezing,

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<v Speaker 2>because I do think I think like the algorithm now knows,

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<v Speaker 2>like I even get advertised egg freezing, and I'm like,

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<v Speaker 2>hold ahda, but do you know what I mean. It's

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<v Speaker 2>like something that we never would have thought about ten

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<v Speaker 2>fifteen years ago, and now it's almost become so commonplace

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<v Speaker 2>that you hit your thirties and you are thinking about

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<v Speaker 2>or expecting to go down the path of egg freezing.

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<v Speaker 1>And I genuinely think, now that I've done it for

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<v Speaker 1>a few years, I think it should be commonplace. I

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<v Speaker 1>think this should be a really common discussion. Not commonplace

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<v Speaker 1>that you freeze your eggs, but commonplace that we're talking

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<v Speaker 1>about it and that you're aware of it. Because education

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<v Speaker 1>is the key. I think a lot of the time

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<v Speaker 1>people aren't educated enough to know that they might have problems,

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<v Speaker 1>what those problems could be, what they look like what

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<v Speaker 1>masks those problems? When I think it should be common conversation.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it should become a conversation that people are

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<v Speaker 1>aware enough to say, hey, you know what, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know if i'll egg freeze, but I might just go

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<v Speaker 1>and do that initial testing to see where I'm at,

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<v Speaker 1>just so you have the knowledge to make the decision,

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<v Speaker 1>because it's not for everyone.

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<v Speaker 2>Not everyone's going to want to do it. And I

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<v Speaker 2>think it is a really interesting conversation. And I'm fascinated

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<v Speaker 2>by this idea that the pendulum almost has to swing

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<v Speaker 2>so far in the opposite direction. And it's not in

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<v Speaker 2>terms of like giving people fertility anxiety, but it's around

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<v Speaker 2>at least knowing what your fertility is and having a

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<v Speaker 2>bit of awareness over it, because I think, like for

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<v Speaker 2>so many of us for so long, it's this like

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<v Speaker 2>unknown until you're trying, I mean, until you're in the

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<v Speaker 2>position that you want to have a baby, you just

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<v Speaker 2>don't know. You're just assuming and you're going off what

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<v Speaker 2>you think might be the case. But I do think it.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean I wonder whether in set of ten year

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<v Speaker 2>time it will be something, or five years time even

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<v Speaker 2>that becomes more and I don't want to say more

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<v Speaker 2>of an anxiety for people, but becomes like more front

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<v Speaker 2>of mine because it is becoming so common and now

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<v Speaker 2>the algorithms are selling us egg freezing. There is like

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<v Speaker 2>advertising around it, and it's just becoming something that does

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<v Speaker 2>play into people's insecurities around where their fertility sits, especially

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<v Speaker 2>for people who are single as well.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and that's why I think it's important to go

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<v Speaker 1>and get the testing so you have the knowledge. You

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<v Speaker 1>don't have to go and make that decision because you

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<v Speaker 1>saw an ad Totally. Oh my god, I'm thirty and

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<v Speaker 1>I've seen an ad. I've got to go egg freeze.

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<v Speaker 1>That's not it at all. But it's knowing what your

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<v Speaker 1>situation is, what your biological situation is, because it's different

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<v Speaker 1>for everybody. So I don't think it's a scare tactic.

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<v Speaker 1>And I never want to be talking about this and

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<v Speaker 1>scare anybody. But I want to talk about this and

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<v Speaker 1>have somebody sit there and say, oh, maybe I'll just check.

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<v Speaker 2>It out totally and have visibility around it. Yeah. So

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<v Speaker 2>this is Thursday.

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<v Speaker 1>I think my collection will be sad, but you don't

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<v Speaker 1>know until probably two days ago. Harvest time again, when

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<v Speaker 1>they do that is an operation they do go under

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<v Speaker 1>for a local or can you be awake for that?

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<v Speaker 2>You can do either, but I always go under.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think I would too, because for a local,

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<v Speaker 1>the way I think about it, and I mean, like,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure everyone that's ever given birth is like, suck

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<v Speaker 1>it up, Brittany, But for a local, it's like you're

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<v Speaker 1>awake and they have to put the anesthetic into your cervix,

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<v Speaker 1>so you still have to have that moment where you're

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<v Speaker 1>not anesetized to be an esetized, you know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's still got to go in there and you've

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<v Speaker 1>got to have that. And I was just like, just

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<v Speaker 1>just put me out. I was like, knock me out

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<v Speaker 1>and wake me up like an hour later. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know so I feel about childbirth. Just put me under

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<v Speaker 1>and take it out of me. I don't want to

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<v Speaker 1>know about it totally, Like.

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<v Speaker 2>Wait, I want to know when I have a baby.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to know. I want to wake up like

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<v Speaker 2>two years later. You don't it, just put me in

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<v Speaker 2>in juice coma. I honestly, every time I see like

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<v Speaker 2>mother Earth, mothers who are like fucking water birthing and

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<v Speaker 2>home birthing and breathing their way through it. I'm just like,

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<v Speaker 2>you are a better human than I am. And I

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<v Speaker 2>know that that's not how we should look at it,

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<v Speaker 2>but really I'm like, wow, you are so much stronger

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<v Speaker 2>than me. I am pathetic and weak and scared. I know.

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<v Speaker 2>I think actually more of my friends than not I

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<v Speaker 2>have done water births just at home or like at

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<v Speaker 2>a hospital that provides the water birth. I don't.

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<v Speaker 1>I I don't know if I can even think about that,

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<v Speaker 1>And I think I'd be one of those people that thinks.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a great idea. I honestly, and I say this

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<v Speaker 2>with the greatest admiration. When people are like, breathe the

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<v Speaker 2>baby out, I'm like, I screamed that motherfucking baby out,

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<v Speaker 2>slid straight across the count. No, it certainly did not

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<v Speaker 2>trust me. Didn't four cents in a s suction cap

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<v Speaker 2>and everything. That kid came out with a cone head.

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<v Speaker 2>It was locked down. Honestly, Molly May was still holding

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<v Speaker 2>onto the lining of my uterus. She was like, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not going anywhere. She was two and a half weeks

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<v Speaker 2>late and she was holding on for due life. And

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<v Speaker 2>that's funny. She's so small too.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I know that doesn't mean anything, but usually

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<v Speaker 1>she's so small. Usually you think when they go over

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<v Speaker 1>they're any more in there, you know, like they're growing bigger.

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<v Speaker 2>But she was a tiny little thing. I yeah, she

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<v Speaker 2>was so so small that it makes me think maybe

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<v Speaker 2>she wasn't that overcooked, Maybe didn't actually get the time. Maybe.

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<v Speaker 2>But I mean, I'm pretty sure that people who I'm

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<v Speaker 2>pretty sure the midwives and whoever were doing the testing

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<v Speaker 2>and the obstecutions and everything else know a lot more

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<v Speaker 2>than I do. I'm sure they were correct and I

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<v Speaker 2>was very wrong. But anyway, but I.

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<v Speaker 1>Put Originally, when I started to talk about this third process,

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<v Speaker 1>like we've said, I felt like I was over talking

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<v Speaker 1>about it, not over it, but like talking too much

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<v Speaker 1>about it. And I didn't want to talk about something

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<v Speaker 1>you guys didn't want to hear about. So I put

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<v Speaker 1>a poll up about what you want to hear if

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<v Speaker 1>I talk about it? Is it seeing the injections, is

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<v Speaker 1>it how to do it? Is it how I'm feeling?

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<v Speaker 1>Is it the result? And overwhelmingly the response was like

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<v Speaker 1>the physiological differences and how I'm looking and how I'm feeling.

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<v Speaker 2>But the number one thing is.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just so emotional, like the number of times I

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<v Speaker 1>cry a day, and what I'm crying about makes me

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<v Speaker 1>want to cry about it, Like I'm having the most

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<v Speaker 1>ridiculous fights with Ben.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, just I talked me through the most recent fire.

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<v Speaker 1>The most recent argument was only yesterday. I shouldn't say

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<v Speaker 1>it's a fight, but because it's not. It's him being

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<v Speaker 1>so confused and me just being so upset.

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<v Speaker 2>You being a psychopath. And came being like what have

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<v Speaker 2>I gotten myself into?

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<v Speaker 1>There were two actually that are actually so ridiculous that

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<v Speaker 1>I don't even want to put it out to the universe.

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<v Speaker 1>Yesterday's one was Ben's been a bit unwell and he

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<v Speaker 1>had to go and get an X ray. And so

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<v Speaker 1>he went to get the X ray and because I

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<v Speaker 1>encouraged him, right, I'm like, you're not well, just go

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<v Speaker 1>and check it out, you know, like appease me.

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<v Speaker 2>So he did, went got an X ray.

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<v Speaker 1>I woke up the next day and he's like, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>hey babe, got my X ray. I was like, cool,

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<v Speaker 1>send the X ray three so I can have a look.

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<v Speaker 1>Because you guys know, or you might not know, but

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<v Speaker 1>I worked in radiology for thirteen years.

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<v Speaker 2>I'd taken them every day my life. So I was like,

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<v Speaker 2>send it through. He's like, well, what I send through?

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<v Speaker 2>I was like the x ray? It's like, I don't

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<v Speaker 2>have it. I was like, what what do you mean?

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<v Speaker 2>I fucking have it. He's like, well, babe, I just

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<v Speaker 2>went to the hospital. They kept it, got the x ray,

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<v Speaker 2>and they keep it file. And I was like, you

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<v Speaker 2>didn't ask them for the picture. He's like, why would

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<v Speaker 2>I ask them?

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, I don't know, Ben, maybe because I

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<v Speaker 1>this is my job, this is what I do. Did

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<v Speaker 1>you not think i'd anyway? It went on and on

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<v Speaker 1>and on, and he couldn't understand. He's like I'm sorry, no, no, no, no,

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<v Speaker 1>no one can understand.

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<v Speaker 2>No.

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<v Speaker 1>He's like he couldn't understand. And I was upset that.

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, you don't even understand me, you don't

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<v Speaker 1>even know me, Like.

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<v Speaker 2>What were you going to do that the doctor wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>already going to do or the radiographer who took the

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<v Speaker 2>photo in the first place was going to do. That's

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<v Speaker 2>my point.

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<v Speaker 1>And the thing is, I know, deep down and I'm

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<v Speaker 1>being completely irrational and such a twat, like I know it.

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<v Speaker 1>And I came back later on and apologize, but at

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<v Speaker 1>the moment, I really sat in it. I really made

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<v Speaker 1>him feel bad for I said, quote unquote not considering

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<v Speaker 1>me in this situation in his illness, in his hospital visit.

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<v Speaker 1>And I was like, you didn't even consider me.

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<v Speaker 2>He was like, of course I didn't. You're on the

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<v Speaker 2>other side. Fuck. It's so annoying because you're like, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't want to give in too the hormones. Not that

0:11:48.320 --> 0:11:49.480
<v Speaker 2>you don't want to give into them, but you're like,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't want to believe that they run my life

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<v Speaker 2>this much, but they really do. And every time, And

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<v Speaker 2>I know this was part of you guys at the

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<v Speaker 2>live show. It was part of my one of my

0:11:56.920 --> 0:11:59.360
<v Speaker 2>stories of the live show, the amount of crazy that

0:11:59.440 --> 0:12:02.319
<v Speaker 2>I feel two days before getting my period. Do you

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<v Speaker 2>remember I called you the other night and I was like,

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<v Speaker 2>I just can't stop crying, or called me balling, And

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<v Speaker 2>then Matt said to me once again, he was like,

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<v Speaker 2>are you sure? And it's like every time it comes

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<v Speaker 2>as a surprise to me. Every month, I don't track

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<v Speaker 2>my period, so it's kind of like a bit of

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<v Speaker 2>a kinder surprise. I'm not exactly sure what day it's

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<v Speaker 2>gonna come, but I should know by now. That the

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<v Speaker 2>two days that I'm fucking balling my eyes at is

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<v Speaker 2>a pretty clear indication that it's on its way. Well, also,

0:12:25.679 --> 0:12:27.920
<v Speaker 2>maybe you should just track it, nah cuvy bother. That's

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<v Speaker 2>another thing I'll forget about. Let's be real.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, I feel like I feel like Satan is

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<v Speaker 1>going to make your life easier.

0:12:34.400 --> 0:12:35.960
<v Speaker 2>But you do your boo, you do your boo, but

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<v Speaker 2>you live your life. I like the spontaneity in the

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<v Speaker 2>surprise of not knowing. Matt can sniff that out. He's

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<v Speaker 2>like a period bower Bird. He's like, I know what's

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<v Speaker 2>happening here. He's always right. That's the problem. It's so infuriating. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>I was just I think the emotion's only going to

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<v Speaker 2>get worse.

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<v Speaker 1>So that was yesterday, and I was just driving to

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<v Speaker 1>work today and I was listening to the Eras playlist,

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<v Speaker 1>like Taylor Swift because.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm crying in the car.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm trying to really get in the tailor zone for

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<v Speaker 1>her concept, and so I was listening to Taylor, I've

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<v Speaker 1>got the set list, which you should start to listen

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<v Speaker 1>to so you know the whole set. And I was

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<v Speaker 1>crying the whole way and every lyric hit me differently,

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<v Speaker 1>and like I sat there and cried for like forty

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<v Speaker 1>five minutes on the whole trip, every song, and I

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<v Speaker 1>was thinking of Bend the whole time, and then I

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<v Speaker 1>would cry be of happiness.

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<v Speaker 2>I hate me. I hate me right now.

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<v Speaker 1>But speaking of Taylor, did you see her moment last night? Well,

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<v Speaker 1>this was two days ago when this comes out, But

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<v Speaker 1>her moment in Argentina where Travis, her boyfriend, was at

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<v Speaker 1>the show and she changed the lyrics to him.

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<v Speaker 2>Did you see the moment? No? Okay, I have not

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<v Speaker 2>been following anything, and I think I'm the only person

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<v Speaker 2>in Australia who's not or the only person who actually

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<v Speaker 2>enjoys Taylor Swift. I have not been following this relationship

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<v Speaker 2>at all.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, do you have an opinion on the relationship if

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<v Speaker 1>you think it's before we get into this, if you

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<v Speaker 1>think it's PR or real?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, I don't have No. I don't have a firm

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<v Speaker 2>feeling either way. The only thing though, is I would

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<v Speaker 2>suspect that someone as big as Taylor, as medius savvy,

0:14:02.320 --> 0:14:05.319
<v Speaker 2>as PR savvy as Taylor, knows what she's doing. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't think it's a PR relationship, but I definitely think

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<v Speaker 2>that she knows how to use her relationships to her advantage. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>I agree, And she's the queen of storytelling, so I

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<v Speaker 2>don't think she's going to miss a storytelling opportunity. Like

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<v Speaker 2>I know, the whole friendship bracelet thing like that is

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<v Speaker 2>a storytelling moment.

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<v Speaker 1>So I when it first came out, when the relationship

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<v Speaker 1>first came out, because you know, we're not going to

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<v Speaker 1>deep dive into that because I'm sure you guys have

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<v Speaker 1>all heard it. But Travis went to her concert. He

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<v Speaker 1>loved Taylor. Travis Kelsey. He's the American football player. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>he's got the big mo he's hot, he's big, manly,

0:14:36.520 --> 0:14:37.920
<v Speaker 1>not Taylor's usual type.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, Yeah, he's a footy player. So he went to

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<v Speaker 2>the concert. He wanted to ask her out.

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<v Speaker 1>He tried to give her a friendship, his own friendship

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<v Speaker 1>bracelet to Taylor, like with his number on it. It

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<v Speaker 1>was a whole thing, right, But he couldn't get to

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<v Speaker 1>her in terms of she was like, I'm not saying anyone,

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<v Speaker 1>like no, I don't even.

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<v Speaker 2>Know who you are.

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<v Speaker 1>But then publicly he told that story and he's like, ah,

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<v Speaker 1>he threw it out there. I want to bite Taylor

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<v Speaker 1>to one of my matches. I tried to give her

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<v Speaker 1>my phone number. I couldn't get to us, so the

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<v Speaker 1>media took that Taylor heard about it. Taylor turned up

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<v Speaker 1>to the game, this big thing, right. But since they've

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<v Speaker 1>come out, both of them have skyrocketed. And I know

0:15:13.320 --> 0:15:17.600
<v Speaker 1>you think she can't skyrocket anymore, but she has. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>he's definitely doing better out of her than she. Hondy Honey,

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<v Speaker 1>definitely punching.

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<v Speaker 2>So oh, I don't know if he's punching because he's

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<v Speaker 2>pretty hot. No, I don't mean, I don't mean, I

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<v Speaker 2>mean hotness does not come into punching. I think. I

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<v Speaker 2>mean as in, like this in terms of success has

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<v Speaker 2>been way more advantageous to him, I think than her.

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<v Speaker 1>Well yeah, but I don't know a man in the

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<v Speaker 1>world that it would be opposite, Like any man that

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<v Speaker 1>dates Taylor Swift. She's the biggest thing in the world, right,

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<v Speaker 1>So anyone's going to be punching or like, it's going

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<v Speaker 1>to be advantageous.

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<v Speaker 2>Which is the sad thing.

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<v Speaker 1>And like it must be so hard to be someone

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<v Speaker 1>like Taylor Swift who has to second guess everyone that

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<v Speaker 1>wants to be in a life.

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<v Speaker 2>I remember when it first came out. I am guilty.

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<v Speaker 1>Of saying, oh, this is probably PR her coming out,

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<v Speaker 1>and he's got all these matches that it's.

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<v Speaker 2>Going to do him good as well.

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<v Speaker 1>And it was such a different relationship for her that

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't believe it at the start, But I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>care either, like everyone in Hollywood does PR relationships, So

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<v Speaker 1>I wasn't off it, but I didn't believe it.

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, cute.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, they're gonna do what they're gonna do for

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<v Speaker 1>a couple of weeks. They're gonna get a lot of publicity,

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<v Speaker 1>they're gonna say that they're better off as friends and

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<v Speaker 1>part ways.

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<v Speaker 2>But I'm so in this relationship now.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's so real. I think they're genuinely in love.

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<v Speaker 1>So they had this moment last night in Argentina at

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<v Speaker 1>her concert. He's flown over there to watch her. He's

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<v Speaker 1>in a private box. She's performing. It's packed, it's sold out,

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<v Speaker 1>and some people in the crowd are filming.

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<v Speaker 2>Now. She's singing the song Karma, which the lyrics comma

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<v Speaker 2>as My fire Bear.

0:16:45.560 --> 0:16:49.280
<v Speaker 1>The original lyrics are, Karma is the guy on the screen.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not going to sing it, Karma is this girl?

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<v Speaker 1>Karma is the guy on the screen coming Straight Home to.

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<v Speaker 2>Me, which is about her ex boyfriend who was an actor. Yep,

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<v Speaker 2>all he's an actor, so he's a guy and this

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<v Speaker 2>you've seen on the screen. He comes Straight Home to Me.

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<v Speaker 2>So she's in the middle of this.

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<v Speaker 1>Set and she looks up to him, to Travis, and

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<v Speaker 1>she says, and it was such a simple moment, but

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<v Speaker 1>he didn't know what was coming. And you can see

0:17:20.359 --> 0:17:24.160
<v Speaker 1>that he hears the lyrics and his face and he's

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<v Speaker 1>so shocked and so toughed and he sat It's so

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<v Speaker 1>I've got goosebumps.

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<v Speaker 2>It's the cutest thing.

0:17:30.200 --> 0:17:33.399
<v Speaker 1>You have to watch it. And he's beside himself, his

0:17:33.560 --> 0:17:35.879
<v Speaker 1>dad's there. They're like, oh my god. And then he

0:17:35.920 --> 0:17:39.080
<v Speaker 1>starts like really rocking out, like really dancing to his

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<v Speaker 1>girlfriend's lyrics.

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<v Speaker 2>And she's pointing up at him, and she makes.

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<v Speaker 1>A few references throughout the concert to him, like whenever

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<v Speaker 1>there's a key sentence for a moment, she looks up

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<v Speaker 1>at him and she points at to him.

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<v Speaker 2>And and my only take on this is that historically

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of the people that Taylor has dated have

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<v Speaker 2>either been musicians or actors. And I can only imagine

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<v Speaker 2>that when you were in her orbit, but you also

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<v Speaker 2>trying to forge a successful career yourself within the public

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<v Speaker 2>sphere that you work, so like within a very similar

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<v Speaker 2>industry to her, you'd then be constantly competing and be

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<v Speaker 2>constantly in the shadow of her fame. I can only

0:18:13.920 --> 0:18:16.040
<v Speaker 2>imagine that that's one of the reasons why people like

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<v Speaker 2>her ex boyfriend Joel or Olwen weren't publicly getting photographed together.

0:18:22.200 --> 0:18:25.160
<v Speaker 2>They weren't publicly going to events together. They were very

0:18:25.200 --> 0:18:29.239
<v Speaker 2>private in terms of their relationship, whereas somebody who is

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<v Speaker 2>very successful in his own right, who is an American

0:18:32.080 --> 0:18:35.439
<v Speaker 2>football player, that they're not competing. It doesn't take away

0:18:35.480 --> 0:18:37.640
<v Speaker 2>from him to be public, and it doesn't take away

0:18:37.640 --> 0:18:40.400
<v Speaker 2>from her. It only is something that they can They

0:18:40.440 --> 0:18:43.680
<v Speaker 2>can revel in each other's successes without either of them

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<v Speaker 2>living in the shadow of the other person's success because

0:18:45.960 --> 0:18:48.680
<v Speaker 2>the industries are so so deeply different. Yeah.

0:18:48.720 --> 0:18:51.359
<v Speaker 1>Absolutely, And I think that's a part of why I

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<v Speaker 1>originally thought it was publicity, because she, historically speaking, is

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<v Speaker 1>so private and half the time she gets carried out

0:18:57.720 --> 0:19:00.520
<v Speaker 1>of places in like bags people don't even know in there.

0:19:00.560 --> 0:19:02.919
<v Speaker 1>She gets like smuggled out because she doesn't want to

0:19:02.920 --> 0:19:06.520
<v Speaker 1>be seen and photographed, and she really respects that relationship.

0:19:06.560 --> 0:19:09.400
<v Speaker 1>Now I'm not saying she doesn't respect this relationship, but

0:19:09.520 --> 0:19:11.760
<v Speaker 1>I genuinely think she's come to a point of her

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<v Speaker 1>life like where she's like, I don't fucking care anymore.

0:19:15.200 --> 0:19:17.080
<v Speaker 1>I want to be like everyone else.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to be no, because she's not fucking like

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<v Speaker 2>everyone else.

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<v Speaker 1>No.

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<v Speaker 2>But there's not one single part of their relationship that's

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<v Speaker 2>like everyone else's.

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<v Speaker 1>No.

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<v Speaker 2>But she's not want to. I get she knows she's going.

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<v Speaker 1>To be photographed, she knows she's not the same, but

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<v Speaker 1>she's like, I just want to be in that moment.

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<v Speaker 1>If I want to be happy with my partner in public,

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<v Speaker 1>if I want to kiss him, if I want to

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<v Speaker 1>do whatever, I really love that.

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<v Speaker 2>Like it was just them.

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<v Speaker 1>Being genuinely so in love and happy to see each other,

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<v Speaker 1>and it was just the moment where I thought, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm fucking I'm here for this relationship and I believe

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<v Speaker 1>you and I want this to work.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it can be both. I think it can

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<v Speaker 2>be both. I think it can be a real relationship

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<v Speaker 2>that also is very pr advantageous, and I think that

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<v Speaker 2>it's very possible that they're leaning into both of those things.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it benefits both of them to be the

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<v Speaker 2>public spectac that they're becoming. I wonder if you'll come

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<v Speaker 2>to Australia. I mean it's a long way. Yeah, it

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<v Speaker 2>does anyone care? Probably probably everyone except I don't care.

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<v Speaker 2>I truly don't care. Anyway. Let's get into our vibes

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<v Speaker 2>and unsubscribes on the episode. I have a vibe today

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<v Speaker 2>now look full transparency. This is a brand who I'm

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<v Speaker 2>going to be working with, but the vibe is fucking

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<v Speaker 2>strong and I'm recommending it. So Buster through. He is

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<v Speaker 2>a rescue dog. I got him when he was one.

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<v Speaker 2>He's got three legs. He's an angel sent from the heavens.

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<v Speaker 2>He is truly like the most amazing dog. And I

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<v Speaker 2>often think that rescue dogs get a bad rap, Like

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<v Speaker 2>people often think that rescue dogs are aggressive, or you

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<v Speaker 2>don't really know their background. And we know or we

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<v Speaker 2>kind of loosely know that Buster is a bull Arab,

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<v Speaker 2>which a bull Arab is a mix between a bull Mastiff,

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<v Speaker 2>a Great Dane, a Dalmatian. It's like it's like a

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<v Speaker 2>random millonge of dogs that's been made and it's like

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<v Speaker 2>an Australian breed of dogs, but no one actually knows

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<v Speaker 2>exactly what kind of goes into them. So my recommendation is,

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<v Speaker 2>you know how you can do ancestry for like people,

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<v Speaker 2>you could do pet ancestry. I didn't know this was

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<v Speaker 2>a thing. So you do like a little swabby swab

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<v Speaker 2>at the inside of their mouth and you send it

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<v Speaker 2>away and you can find out exactly the breakdown of

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<v Speaker 2>the breed of your dog. And I think this is amazing.

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<v Speaker 2>How you know, I had no idea, but it is

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<v Speaker 2>a thing, and we're doing it at the moment for Buster,

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<v Speaker 2>so I'm waiting for his ancestry to come back. And

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<v Speaker 2>I just think it's adorable. And if you're someone who's

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<v Speaker 2>a dog person and you've always wondered, like, what is

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<v Speaker 2>the DNA makeup of your animal? I think it's so cool. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>there you go. We can't wait to find out. Same.

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<v Speaker 2>Give you guys have all the livestock. I'll let you

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<v Speaker 2>know exactly how much darmbation is in Buster. All jokes aside,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm actually really interested. Same, I'm person so same, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>so interested.

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<v Speaker 1>The only thing about Buster, his only flaw is his

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<v Speaker 1>dick's always.

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<v Speaker 2>Out Dick's always out.

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<v Speaker 1>I've never seen him without a king lipstick. It is

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<v Speaker 1>not like it is always out. It's flapped out. It's

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<v Speaker 1>like a it's like a draft penis, and it's always erect.

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<v Speaker 2>It is mighty and story. It's like a well, I

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<v Speaker 2>mean he's compensating for the missing leg with his additional

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<v Speaker 2>foram I reckon, that's no. But like he anytime he's excited,

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<v Speaker 2>anytime you say walk, anytime you say water, anytime you

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<v Speaker 2>say fucking ball. Anything to him, he's like dick out

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<v Speaker 2>and just excited to be in the world. Maybe that's

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<v Speaker 2>what happens, like maybe after you've been through like a

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<v Speaker 2>big trauma like he did poor thing or hit by

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<v Speaker 2>a car, had a leg removed. Maybe like you, he's

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<v Speaker 2>just really excited to be alive and everything excites him. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>all day, second list, Yeah, Okay. My vibe this week

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<v Speaker 2>is it's a podcast, and it's not a good podcast

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<v Speaker 2>in terms of a happy podcast. I'm recommending a terrible

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<v Speaker 2>podcast today.

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<v Speaker 1>No, not a good podcast in terms of it's a

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<v Speaker 1>crime podcast, so it doesn't have a great ending for

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<v Speaker 1>the person. But I love crime podcasts and I'm always

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<v Speaker 1>trying to find that something new to listen to.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's called The Trial Ashling Murphy. That's her name, Ashlin.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah A s h L I n G.

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<v Speaker 1>It's from the same people from a podcast I recommended

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<v Speaker 1>you guys a little while ago, which was the trial

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<v Speaker 1>of Lucy Leppie even a nurse. Yeah, so she was

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<v Speaker 1>the pediatric nurse that was charged with all these murders

0:23:10.119 --> 0:23:12.480
<v Speaker 1>horrific of babies that you're supposed to be looking after.

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<v Speaker 1>It's from the same people, so I really feel the

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<v Speaker 1>connection to them. Now, you know, when you like a

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<v Speaker 1>host or you like the people that produce something.

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<v Speaker 2>So we also like the way in which the storytelling's

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<v Speaker 2>done exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean that was downloaded over thirteen million times. So

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<v Speaker 1>this is season two. I mean I'm not gonna say

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<v Speaker 1>too much, but she's a twenty three your teacher in

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<v Speaker 1>Ireland that's murdered. And Ireland, as you guys know, is

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<v Speaker 1>very small, but the community is all very small too,

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<v Speaker 1>So this really like I follow Irish people on Instagram

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<v Speaker 1>now that are talking about it because it's current.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, this trial it's hard.

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<v Speaker 1>I always feel really guilty when I recommend a true

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<v Speaker 1>crime podcast because when I think about the person. It's

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<v Speaker 1>a real person, you know, a real person was murdered,

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<v Speaker 1>So you almost feel like you shouldn't be talking about it,

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<v Speaker 1>But then there's a part of you that's like, well,

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<v Speaker 1>in her honor, more people should listen to what happened

0:23:56.720 --> 0:23:59.360
<v Speaker 1>to this person. You know, they know who killed her

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<v Speaker 1>and they do him.

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<v Speaker 2>And because it's the.

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<v Speaker 1>Trial, so it's about the trial of this man talking

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<v Speaker 1>about how they discovered who did it, what he was

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<v Speaker 1>doing in the lead up, and it's one of those

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<v Speaker 1>things that gives you goosebumps, what he was doing in

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<v Speaker 1>the lead up to this murder and how many women

0:24:16.560 --> 0:24:20.399
<v Speaker 1>which is fucking wild. How many women were almost this woman,

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<v Speaker 1>Like how many women he was following and.

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<v Speaker 2>It's so awful.

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<v Speaker 1>And those women also talking about it, like they were like,

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<v Speaker 1>I remember him following this.

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<v Speaker 2>I was so scared. But they didn't know until the

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<v Speaker 2>trial that that's how close they were to be in

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<v Speaker 2>that person. That's so so terrifying. Yeah, so it's I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>I likely listen to it. And that's my vibe of

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<v Speaker 2>this week. It's the trial Ashling Murphy. Do you know

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<v Speaker 2>what I did watch? I watched a recommendation from last

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<v Speaker 2>week last top Larima.

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<v Speaker 1>Loll cano, right, I mean though about it, like it's

0:24:51.760 --> 0:24:52.760
<v Speaker 1>almost satirical.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, one hundred percent. It's the weirdest murder mystery I've

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<v Speaker 2>ever watched. But I actually was on the edge of

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<v Speaker 2>my seat. I loved it. I think if you haven't

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<v Speaker 2>watched Spritz recommendation from last week, which was on Netflix

0:25:03.440 --> 0:25:05.840
<v Speaker 2>last Stop Larama. It's two episodes. Matt and I watched

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<v Speaker 2>it over the weekend and honestly, you just question, like,

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<v Speaker 2>why would you ever live in a town like this?

0:25:11.000 --> 0:25:14.719
<v Speaker 2>But also the town itself seems so interesting. It seems

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<v Speaker 2>like the type of place and a haven where like

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<v Speaker 2>the most odd balls of Australian society would go to

0:25:20.119 --> 0:25:21.959
<v Speaker 2>and find their little community, even though they all kind

0:25:21.960 --> 0:25:24.119
<v Speaker 2>of hate each other. Go go watch that. That's like

0:25:24.119 --> 0:25:26.760
<v Speaker 2>a rehash and of recommendation. Anyway, let's get into the questions.

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<v Speaker 2>This is the wildest ask uncut we have ever received.

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<v Speaker 2>I almost think it's going to be the hardest one

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<v Speaker 2>to answer that we've ever had.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, I'm an absolute loss. My fiance and I have

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<v Speaker 1>been together for six years. We have an amazing relationship,

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<v Speaker 1>and shortly after we got engaged, we decided to make

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<v Speaker 1>our secret fantasy a reality.

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<v Speaker 2>After deciding that I didn't.

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<v Speaker 1>Want to die wondering, I asked my fiance if he

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<v Speaker 1>would be willing to have a threesome, a one of

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<v Speaker 1>the experience for us both before we get married. We're

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<v Speaker 1>both quite open and trusting with each other and wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to experience just this one thing one time. We both

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<v Speaker 1>agreed to doing this, and I ended up asking a

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<v Speaker 1>friend of mine if she would be willing. We all agreed,

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<v Speaker 1>and after a lot of great communication, we worked out

0:26:10.640 --> 0:26:11.960
<v Speaker 1>what we were okay.

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<v Speaker 2>With and how it would all go down slash who

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<v Speaker 2>would go down here.

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<v Speaker 1>I felt comfortable and secure about doing this with a

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<v Speaker 1>friend that I had asked because we're not super close,

0:26:23.119 --> 0:26:25.119
<v Speaker 1>but we have known each other for a long time.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't really want to do this with a friend

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<v Speaker 1>that would be around a lot. I didn't want them

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<v Speaker 1>to be super close to me. She was very respectful

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<v Speaker 1>about boundaries and made sure I was happy with everything.

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<v Speaker 2>When it came to do and the deed, my fiance.

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<v Speaker 1>And I were both super stoked we did this, and

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<v Speaker 1>we said we felt closer than ever.

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<v Speaker 2>Now.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a lot in this, so I'm going to fast forward. Basically,

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<v Speaker 1>the next little while.

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<v Speaker 2>We didn't talk to that girl.

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<v Speaker 1>We messaged her twice just to keep contact, but she's

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<v Speaker 1>not a close friend. Last week she called and dropped

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<v Speaker 1>an absolute bombshell on us. She called me when I

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<v Speaker 1>was at work and told me that she was pregnant.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't even have words, Craig bragante, and that my

0:27:03.320 --> 0:27:07.119
<v Speaker 2>fiance is a father. I called my fiance straight away.

0:27:07.400 --> 0:27:09.640
<v Speaker 1>He said, Oh my god, I actually think the condom

0:27:09.720 --> 0:27:11.600
<v Speaker 1>did break, but I was too drunk to remember or

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<v Speaker 1>to even think about talking about it.

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<v Speaker 2>She's decided to keep the baby. Holy shit, I know,

0:27:16.680 --> 0:27:18.919
<v Speaker 2>she said. I feel really blindsided. I have no idea

0:27:18.920 --> 0:27:20.679
<v Speaker 2>what to do. How do I even process this.

0:27:20.840 --> 0:27:23.160
<v Speaker 1>My fiance and I do want kids together one day,

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<v Speaker 1>but the idea of him having a baby with another

0:27:25.200 --> 0:27:28.080
<v Speaker 1>woman makes me feel sick. He's so upset and confused

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<v Speaker 1>about what to do or how to feel. How do

0:27:30.200 --> 0:27:33.239
<v Speaker 1>we explain this to friends and family? How do we

0:27:33.280 --> 0:27:35.879
<v Speaker 1>know if this can even work? I feel so overwhelmed.

0:27:36.040 --> 0:27:39.760
<v Speaker 1>I don't know if I can stay in this relationship

0:27:39.840 --> 0:27:42.199
<v Speaker 1>and move over it. But there's nothing wrong with our

0:27:42.280 --> 0:27:43.920
<v Speaker 1>relationship except this.

0:27:46.040 --> 0:27:50.479
<v Speaker 2>Oh okay, let's attack it from the top. Down, you

0:27:51.480 --> 0:27:54.920
<v Speaker 2>can't do anything. If she wants to keep this baby,

0:27:55.440 --> 0:28:00.480
<v Speaker 2>that is absolutely one hundred percent her decision. And unfortunately,

0:28:00.760 --> 0:28:02.359
<v Speaker 2>it means that if you want to stay in a

0:28:02.400 --> 0:28:07.280
<v Speaker 2>relationship with your husband, your fiance, that this baby and

0:28:07.800 --> 0:28:11.240
<v Speaker 2>it's mum, your friend, is going to be in your

0:28:11.320 --> 0:28:14.240
<v Speaker 2>life forever, forever, and that's going to be something that

0:28:14.280 --> 0:28:16.840
<v Speaker 2>you're going to have to make like you're gonna have

0:28:16.880 --> 0:28:18.520
<v Speaker 2>to go to some therapy and you're going to have

0:28:18.600 --> 0:28:20.919
<v Speaker 2>to come to terms with if it's something that you

0:28:20.960 --> 0:28:26.040
<v Speaker 2>are able to do now. I think realistically, I'm trying

0:28:26.080 --> 0:28:28.199
<v Speaker 2>to put myself in your position, which is just I

0:28:28.240 --> 0:28:31.879
<v Speaker 2>can't even I cannot even imagine what it is that

0:28:31.920 --> 0:28:35.879
<v Speaker 2>you're going through. But I guess what I would try

0:28:36.160 --> 0:28:39.880
<v Speaker 2>and compartmentalize is that this was a decision that you

0:28:39.920 --> 0:28:43.560
<v Speaker 2>guys both made together mutually as a couple, that you

0:28:43.640 --> 0:28:46.240
<v Speaker 2>wanted to do, and you didn't have any regrets after

0:28:46.280 --> 0:28:49.360
<v Speaker 2>doing it. Obviously, you don't want to have a baby.

0:28:49.520 --> 0:28:52.040
<v Speaker 2>That's not something that was on the cards or it

0:28:52.120 --> 0:28:54.280
<v Speaker 2>wasn't a plan. But I don't think it has to

0:28:54.280 --> 0:28:57.640
<v Speaker 2>come at the sacrifice of your relationship, because he didn't

0:28:57.640 --> 0:28:59.920
<v Speaker 2>go out and cheat on you. You mutually had the

0:29:00.240 --> 0:29:03.840
<v Speaker 2>experience together, and now the byproduct of that is that

0:29:04.000 --> 0:29:06.640
<v Speaker 2>he's going to be the father or the DNA contributor

0:29:06.680 --> 0:29:09.520
<v Speaker 2>to a baby. I think together the two of you

0:29:09.600 --> 0:29:12.000
<v Speaker 2>have to make the decisions around one obviously if you're

0:29:12.000 --> 0:29:15.080
<v Speaker 2>going to stay together, but to what sort of father,

0:29:15.240 --> 0:29:17.480
<v Speaker 2>What sort of contribution does he want to make into

0:29:17.520 --> 0:29:21.680
<v Speaker 2>that child's life. And that can be being a proactive dad,

0:29:21.960 --> 0:29:24.640
<v Speaker 2>that can be not anything if he doesn't want to be.

0:29:24.680 --> 0:29:26.400
<v Speaker 2>I'm not saying that that is the great option or

0:29:26.440 --> 0:29:29.280
<v Speaker 2>that is the most moral option, but that is also

0:29:29.520 --> 0:29:32.160
<v Speaker 2>an option. He can financially contribute to the child's life,

0:29:32.160 --> 0:29:34.920
<v Speaker 2>but he doesn't have to be a proactive part of

0:29:34.960 --> 0:29:37.400
<v Speaker 2>the child's life. And how do you explain it to

0:29:37.480 --> 0:29:39.880
<v Speaker 2>friends and family? You tell him, I think you have

0:29:39.960 --> 0:29:41.920
<v Speaker 2>to tell the truth. I think you be honest. I

0:29:41.960 --> 0:29:44.320
<v Speaker 2>think you genuinely be honest. And I think the reason

0:29:44.320 --> 0:29:46.800
<v Speaker 2>why you genuinely be honest, especially with people in your

0:29:46.840 --> 0:29:50.200
<v Speaker 2>closest knit circle, is because the assumption is going to

0:29:50.200 --> 0:29:51.920
<v Speaker 2>be that he cheated on you. And if you love

0:29:51.960 --> 0:29:53.920
<v Speaker 2>your partner and you want to protect your partner, I

0:29:53.960 --> 0:29:56.840
<v Speaker 2>think you carry a bit of that weight together because

0:29:57.320 --> 0:30:01.560
<v Speaker 2>he didn't betray you. Uh fucking' hew. I mean, but

0:30:01.600 --> 0:30:04.160
<v Speaker 2>I don't want to skim over this. I don't know

0:30:04.240 --> 0:30:06.280
<v Speaker 2>if I would be able to survive this in my relationship.

0:30:06.440 --> 0:30:08.200
<v Speaker 1>No, and this is the thing that I think I

0:30:08.240 --> 0:30:10.280
<v Speaker 1>want to the angle I want to go down and

0:30:10.520 --> 0:30:11.480
<v Speaker 1>I we need to cover it all.

0:30:11.520 --> 0:30:13.360
<v Speaker 2>But I have thought about this for the last couple

0:30:13.400 --> 0:30:14.520
<v Speaker 2>of days. I spoke to Beat about it.

0:30:14.560 --> 0:30:16.239
<v Speaker 1>I've been really trying to get my head around what

0:30:16.280 --> 0:30:18.640
<v Speaker 1>I would do in this situation. And I guess it's

0:30:18.680 --> 0:30:20.520
<v Speaker 1>one of those things you don't know unless you're in it.

0:30:20.680 --> 0:30:22.360
<v Speaker 1>I mean, she ends it with I don't know if

0:30:22.360 --> 0:30:26.960
<v Speaker 1>I can accept this situation. Unfortunately, if you can't accept it,

0:30:27.280 --> 0:30:30.280
<v Speaker 1>Whilst that's not fair, you don't have another option. You

0:30:30.320 --> 0:30:32.400
<v Speaker 1>can't stay in a relationship if you're not going to

0:30:32.440 --> 0:30:35.160
<v Speaker 1>accept it, because it is forever. I'm also making an

0:30:35.200 --> 0:30:38.720
<v Speaker 1>assumption here that your partner is got and you if

0:30:38.720 --> 0:30:41.000
<v Speaker 1>you stay in the relationship, because you will become a

0:30:41.040 --> 0:30:44.880
<v Speaker 1>step mum. But your partner, I assuming he's going to

0:30:44.880 --> 0:30:46.480
<v Speaker 1>do the right thing, because you know it was a

0:30:46.520 --> 0:30:47.200
<v Speaker 1>situation you.

0:30:47.200 --> 0:30:49.200
<v Speaker 2>All willingly went into and it is a friend.

0:30:49.240 --> 0:30:51.560
<v Speaker 1>I can't imagine a man in that situation, being like, no,

0:30:51.640 --> 0:30:54.280
<v Speaker 1>you're on your own making that assumption that he's going

0:30:54.280 --> 0:30:57.360
<v Speaker 1>to be involved in some capacity financially and physically.

0:30:57.720 --> 0:30:59.520
<v Speaker 2>Do you think though, that that is the wrong thing.

0:31:00.120 --> 0:31:03.440
<v Speaker 2>It is an interesting debate because I don't think this

0:31:03.560 --> 0:31:06.000
<v Speaker 2>might caught me into a bit of hot water in may.

0:31:06.800 --> 0:31:09.960
<v Speaker 2>I do think that you financially need to contribute, So

0:31:10.120 --> 0:31:12.800
<v Speaker 2>if you have unprotected sex with someone. Firstly, I mean,

0:31:12.840 --> 0:31:14.760
<v Speaker 2>it's terrible that the condom broke and he did not

0:31:14.840 --> 0:31:16.600
<v Speaker 2>have a conversation with her. He didn't think about her.

0:31:16.640 --> 0:31:18.840
<v Speaker 2>He was too drunk. Like that's a whole that is

0:31:18.880 --> 0:31:22.960
<v Speaker 2>a really massive issue that we can't just skim over.

0:31:23.120 --> 0:31:27.320
<v Speaker 2>Like morally, this is a situation he created by his irresponsibility,

0:31:27.360 --> 0:31:29.400
<v Speaker 2>and he had sex in a way that she therefore

0:31:29.560 --> 0:31:31.959
<v Speaker 2>did not consent to. And now she's pregnant, and this

0:31:32.000 --> 0:31:34.719
<v Speaker 2>poor woman is having a baby that she didn't necessarily

0:31:34.760 --> 0:31:37.080
<v Speaker 2>want to have, but is keeping it. And that's you know,

0:31:37.360 --> 0:31:39.960
<v Speaker 2>like that's her decision to do so. But I guess

0:31:40.080 --> 0:31:44.400
<v Speaker 2>when it comes to the expectation that he has or

0:31:44.440 --> 0:31:46.560
<v Speaker 2>that people have on him, to be a proactive part

0:31:46.600 --> 0:31:49.680
<v Speaker 2>in this child's life, I think financially and legally he

0:31:49.720 --> 0:31:52.640
<v Speaker 2>has to be. But I don't think that a man

0:31:52.880 --> 0:31:57.040
<v Speaker 2>has to be a father figure in a child's life

0:31:57.080 --> 0:32:00.560
<v Speaker 2>that he didn't also agree to wanting to have. Does

0:32:00.600 --> 0:32:03.840
<v Speaker 2>that make sense, Yeah, I mean I disagree. I think

0:32:03.840 --> 0:32:06.320
<v Speaker 2>it's unfair, but I don't think that there's an expectation

0:32:06.400 --> 0:32:07.440
<v Speaker 2>to toplay that part.

0:32:07.960 --> 0:32:11.480
<v Speaker 1>I think it's a responsibility that you need to take

0:32:11.520 --> 0:32:12.320
<v Speaker 1>in some capacity.

0:32:12.360 --> 0:32:14.479
<v Speaker 2>Of course, you don't have to. If I was that

0:32:14.560 --> 0:32:15.080
<v Speaker 2>child and.

0:32:15.040 --> 0:32:16.800
<v Speaker 1>I grew up knowing that my dad was my mum's

0:32:16.840 --> 0:32:19.480
<v Speaker 1>friend literally down the road, and he didn't fucking care

0:32:19.480 --> 0:32:21.560
<v Speaker 1>about me. He threw me some money. Sometimes it's going

0:32:21.640 --> 0:32:22.920
<v Speaker 1>to have an impact. So I think it kind of

0:32:23.000 --> 0:32:26.080
<v Speaker 1>sound to him it's a moral obligation. Obligation is probably

0:32:26.160 --> 0:32:29.520
<v Speaker 1>the wrong word. It's a moral responsibility. You are not

0:32:29.680 --> 0:32:31.600
<v Speaker 1>obligated if you don't want to. No human in the

0:32:31.600 --> 0:32:35.400
<v Speaker 1>world obviously is. But I think it shows a lot

0:32:35.480 --> 0:32:37.640
<v Speaker 1>if he isn't involved in his child's life. I don't

0:32:37.640 --> 0:32:40.280
<v Speaker 1>think that in this situation money is enough personally.

0:32:39.920 --> 0:32:42.080
<v Speaker 2>Especially when it was his fault. Yeah, and we don't

0:32:42.080 --> 0:32:44.280
<v Speaker 2>say fault right, Well, it was he's caught the condom

0:32:44.320 --> 0:32:46.320
<v Speaker 2>broke and he was too drunk to actually acknowledge it

0:32:46.360 --> 0:32:48.480
<v Speaker 2>or talk about it. That's his fault coming back to

0:32:48.640 --> 0:32:51.600
<v Speaker 2>you because this is about you. I feel so sorry

0:32:51.640 --> 0:32:52.040
<v Speaker 2>for you.

0:32:52.600 --> 0:32:54.200
<v Speaker 1>But if you think that there is a way you

0:32:54.200 --> 0:32:56.040
<v Speaker 1>can get through this, which I think you should probably

0:32:56.080 --> 0:32:58.600
<v Speaker 1>try if he's the love of your life and you

0:32:58.640 --> 0:33:00.800
<v Speaker 1>are going to have kids one day to get If

0:33:00.840 --> 0:33:02.640
<v Speaker 1>you really think you can move through it, then you

0:33:02.680 --> 0:33:04.600
<v Speaker 1>need to all talk together. You need to sit down

0:33:04.640 --> 0:33:07.040
<v Speaker 1>with this friend, go through what it's going to look like.

0:33:07.120 --> 0:33:10.360
<v Speaker 1>What are the expectations, Are there boundaries? Then you need

0:33:10.400 --> 0:33:12.320
<v Speaker 1>to have a conversation with your partner. What do you

0:33:12.400 --> 0:33:15.120
<v Speaker 1>want in this in terms of being a father? What

0:33:15.160 --> 0:33:16.440
<v Speaker 1>do you want from me? Do you still want to

0:33:16.440 --> 0:33:18.960
<v Speaker 1>have your own kids with me in that situation? There

0:33:18.960 --> 0:33:20.600
<v Speaker 1>are so many aspects of this that you need to

0:33:20.680 --> 0:33:23.120
<v Speaker 1>nut out the holy fuck yeah.

0:33:23.200 --> 0:33:24.800
<v Speaker 2>I mean, look, think I agree with you on some

0:33:24.840 --> 0:33:26.920
<v Speaker 2>parts and I disagree with you on others. I definitely

0:33:26.920 --> 0:33:28.840
<v Speaker 2>think the three of you need to sit down and

0:33:28.920 --> 0:33:33.280
<v Speaker 2>have a very open conversation around expectations, around how you

0:33:33.400 --> 0:33:35.800
<v Speaker 2>feel this is going to play out. I think you

0:33:35.840 --> 0:33:38.480
<v Speaker 2>and your heartner need time to grieve. You need time

0:33:38.520 --> 0:33:41.680
<v Speaker 2>to grieve this idea of the family unit that you

0:33:41.720 --> 0:33:44.000
<v Speaker 2>were going to have. That's not to say that your

0:33:44.040 --> 0:33:46.440
<v Speaker 2>family unit still won't exist, And it doesn't mean yes

0:33:46.480 --> 0:33:48.479
<v Speaker 2>he will either. You know, your friend has his baby

0:33:48.560 --> 0:33:50.440
<v Speaker 2>and he wants to be a part of it. There

0:33:50.440 --> 0:33:54.040
<v Speaker 2>will be co parenting. That doesn't mean that that relationship

0:33:54.080 --> 0:33:57.080
<v Speaker 2>becomes his nuclears family or relationship. He will still go

0:33:57.120 --> 0:33:59.240
<v Speaker 2>on to have a family with you. It just means

0:33:59.280 --> 0:34:01.720
<v Speaker 2>that he will cope parent and your kids will have

0:34:01.920 --> 0:34:04.760
<v Speaker 2>a half brother or sister, which is gonna be a

0:34:04.800 --> 0:34:07.120
<v Speaker 2>weird thing to overcome. But you know what, in time,

0:34:07.240 --> 0:34:11.200
<v Speaker 2>even weird situations become less weird, like they become normal.

0:34:11.320 --> 0:34:14.520
<v Speaker 2>You guys will grow past it. Time really does. And

0:34:14.560 --> 0:34:18.320
<v Speaker 2>it's the dumbest and lamest saying, but it is true.

0:34:18.560 --> 0:34:21.640
<v Speaker 2>Time heals all and in time you can get over

0:34:21.719 --> 0:34:23.640
<v Speaker 2>so many things that you think you're not able to

0:34:23.640 --> 0:34:27.080
<v Speaker 2>get over. But I think in this instance, I would

0:34:27.080 --> 0:34:31.319
<v Speaker 2>be really having conversations around expectations because you never know,

0:34:31.400 --> 0:34:34.040
<v Speaker 2>your friend may not have the expectation that she wants

0:34:34.120 --> 0:34:36.320
<v Speaker 2>him to be a proactive part of this child's life.

0:34:36.600 --> 0:34:38.600
<v Speaker 2>She may want him to be a proactive part. She

0:34:38.680 --> 0:34:40.759
<v Speaker 2>may want him to be you know, a dad who

0:34:40.840 --> 0:34:44.359
<v Speaker 2>contributes financially, Like I think having those conversations, he might

0:34:44.400 --> 0:34:47.160
<v Speaker 2>want to be proactive, Like you just don't know what

0:34:47.239 --> 0:34:50.000
<v Speaker 2>everybody is feeling, what everybody is thinking, and what the

0:34:50.080 --> 0:34:52.360
<v Speaker 2>expectation is to show up to being a parent in

0:34:52.400 --> 0:34:55.640
<v Speaker 2>this situation. And I think the choice to have the

0:34:55.680 --> 0:34:59.879
<v Speaker 2>baby is entirely her choice, but how that baby's parent

0:35:00.080 --> 0:35:03.400
<v Speaker 2>it is not entirely her choice. And so that's something

0:35:03.440 --> 0:35:05.400
<v Speaker 2>that the three of you can come to a decision

0:35:05.400 --> 0:35:08.960
<v Speaker 2>on together. But I do think it is something you

0:35:09.040 --> 0:35:11.080
<v Speaker 2>could work through. But you're going to have to be

0:35:11.160 --> 0:35:13.400
<v Speaker 2>super open minded, and you're going to have to really

0:35:13.440 --> 0:35:15.880
<v Speaker 2>communicate with the people around you who you love and

0:35:15.960 --> 0:35:20.640
<v Speaker 2>respect and who are important to you, because ultimately you

0:35:20.719 --> 0:35:23.759
<v Speaker 2>have to protect your partner as well as yourself and

0:35:23.800 --> 0:35:27.000
<v Speaker 2>your relationship. And it's gonna be the weird, big elephant

0:35:27.040 --> 0:35:29.040
<v Speaker 2>in the room. But also, like, fuck it, you had

0:35:29.080 --> 0:35:31.040
<v Speaker 2>a threesome. It's not like you didn't, no one cheated,

0:35:31.080 --> 0:35:33.480
<v Speaker 2>no one did anything wrong. You had a consensual threesome.

0:35:33.960 --> 0:35:37.480
<v Speaker 2>And I can only imagine how challenging this period of

0:35:37.520 --> 0:35:40.520
<v Speaker 2>life is. But I genuinely think you can get through

0:35:40.560 --> 0:35:42.080
<v Speaker 2>this if this is the person that you've been with

0:35:42.160 --> 0:35:44.399
<v Speaker 2>for six years. You know, I just think you can. Yeah,

0:35:44.400 --> 0:35:45.160
<v Speaker 2>you can work through it.

0:35:45.320 --> 0:35:47.200
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I think that's the most important thing as well

0:35:47.239 --> 0:35:49.480
<v Speaker 1>that I agree with is when it comes out, you

0:35:49.480 --> 0:35:51.960
<v Speaker 1>do need to tell the truth because otherwise it paints well,

0:35:52.040 --> 0:35:53.759
<v Speaker 1>two people in a really bad life, him as a

0:35:53.840 --> 0:35:56.120
<v Speaker 1>cheater and her as a friend that also you know,

0:35:56.200 --> 0:35:57.560
<v Speaker 1>quote unquote fucked your partner.

0:35:57.640 --> 0:35:59.239
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, but also when I say you have to

0:35:59.280 --> 0:36:02.239
<v Speaker 2>tell the truth, you don't owe anyone anything. You don't

0:36:02.280 --> 0:36:04.840
<v Speaker 2>have to over explain it, you don't have to just it.

0:36:05.200 --> 0:36:07.440
<v Speaker 2>You had a threesome, Like, you didn't break any laws.

0:36:07.480 --> 0:36:09.120
<v Speaker 2>You did whatever the fuck you wanted to. You're three

0:36:09.120 --> 0:36:11.719
<v Speaker 2>consenting adults. Yes, your parents might find it a bit

0:36:11.800 --> 0:36:15.239
<v Speaker 2>challenging to understand. But you know what, like at the

0:36:15.360 --> 0:36:17.960
<v Speaker 2>end of the day, people around you will come round

0:36:18.040 --> 0:36:20.279
<v Speaker 2>to these sorts of things and I think, yeah, it's

0:36:20.360 --> 0:36:23.040
<v Speaker 2>reopen as at all. No, but some people will and

0:36:23.040 --> 0:36:24.880
<v Speaker 2>there will be like some guilt and shame attached to it,

0:36:24.920 --> 0:36:25.759
<v Speaker 2>which they shouldn't be.

0:36:25.920 --> 0:36:28.680
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, totally, I'm just saying I think that part isn't

0:36:28.760 --> 0:36:31.200
<v Speaker 1>no brainer for me, is the truth telling, because otherwise

0:36:31.200 --> 0:36:33.880
<v Speaker 1>two people are painted as totally as really bad people

0:36:33.920 --> 0:36:36.239
<v Speaker 1>that weren't so Unfortunately, it's a pill that you might

0:36:36.280 --> 0:36:38.360
<v Speaker 1>have to swallow for a hot second. But in this

0:36:38.440 --> 0:36:40.359
<v Speaker 1>day and age, I mean, everyone's talking about this kind

0:36:40.360 --> 0:36:42.319
<v Speaker 1>of stuff now. It will hit different now to what

0:36:42.360 --> 0:36:43.520
<v Speaker 1>it would have twenty years ago.

0:36:43.840 --> 0:36:46.400
<v Speaker 2>It is an unbelievable situation. I think this is possibly

0:36:46.400 --> 0:36:48.440
<v Speaker 2>the most challenging ask on cup I've ever had. But

0:36:48.520 --> 0:36:52.560
<v Speaker 2>I really do want to reiterate that the big thing here,

0:36:52.640 --> 0:36:56.000
<v Speaker 2>and I think the main part of the responsibility falls

0:36:56.040 --> 0:36:58.400
<v Speaker 2>on the fact that your partner his condom broke and

0:36:58.440 --> 0:37:02.120
<v Speaker 2>he did not communicate that. It is such a like

0:37:02.360 --> 0:37:04.279
<v Speaker 2>I don't even have words for how much of a

0:37:04.480 --> 0:37:07.359
<v Speaker 2>betrayal that is. And the fact that he didn't he

0:37:07.400 --> 0:37:09.560
<v Speaker 2>was too drunk, it didn't occur to him that he

0:37:09.600 --> 0:37:12.520
<v Speaker 2>should have had that communication means that all of those

0:37:12.560 --> 0:37:15.640
<v Speaker 2>discussions that you guys had pre having that threesome, all

0:37:15.680 --> 0:37:18.680
<v Speaker 2>of the conversations around your boundaries, around the way in

0:37:18.719 --> 0:37:20.799
<v Speaker 2>which you were going to engage the respect for each other,

0:37:21.160 --> 0:37:23.359
<v Speaker 2>all of that went out the window. And that really

0:37:23.440 --> 0:37:26.040
<v Speaker 2>changes the basis of which the boundaries were set in

0:37:26.120 --> 0:37:28.160
<v Speaker 2>terms of what was going to be okay and not

0:37:28.200 --> 0:37:31.520
<v Speaker 2>okay in this threesome, I.

0:37:30.680 --> 0:37:34.080
<v Speaker 1>Would love you to write in what happens, and that

0:37:34.200 --> 0:37:35.759
<v Speaker 1>might not be something you want to do, but this

0:37:35.880 --> 0:37:38.200
<v Speaker 1>as an aftermath, I would love to know if you

0:37:38.239 --> 0:37:40.200
<v Speaker 1>can get to a point where you're okay with it

0:37:40.280 --> 0:37:42.080
<v Speaker 1>and you stay in the relationship and you guys move.

0:37:41.960 --> 0:37:44.680
<v Speaker 2>Forward, or if you think you can't yeah, oh oh

0:37:44.719 --> 0:37:46.719
<v Speaker 2>my god, the aftermath of this, and I think like

0:37:46.800 --> 0:37:50.200
<v Speaker 2>the very last thing is go and have some therapy together,

0:37:50.840 --> 0:37:53.680
<v Speaker 2>like you and your couple, the three of you, to

0:37:53.840 --> 0:37:56.960
<v Speaker 2>talk through the complexities of this situation. I think, like,

0:37:57.160 --> 0:38:01.080
<v Speaker 2>don't underestimate the importance of that process. And lastly, take

0:38:01.120 --> 0:38:03.080
<v Speaker 2>it day by day because this is such a big

0:38:03.120 --> 0:38:05.600
<v Speaker 2>and overwhelming decision that you need to make and it

0:38:05.640 --> 0:38:08.960
<v Speaker 2>feels so huge. But like I said, time kind of

0:38:09.000 --> 0:38:11.359
<v Speaker 2>heals things. And as you take one step and then

0:38:11.400 --> 0:38:13.760
<v Speaker 2>one day and you start working through what this looks

0:38:13.840 --> 0:38:16.560
<v Speaker 2>like over the next nine months or however long she

0:38:16.640 --> 0:38:20.040
<v Speaker 2>has that she's pregnant, it may seem like it is

0:38:20.120 --> 0:38:22.480
<v Speaker 2>not so insurmountable when you start to break it down

0:38:22.480 --> 0:38:24.440
<v Speaker 2>into smaller days. That's not to say that it's not

0:38:24.480 --> 0:38:28.000
<v Speaker 2>going to be hard, but like it may feel more manageable. Yeah.

0:38:28.160 --> 0:38:28.600
<v Speaker 2>Far up.

0:38:30.520 --> 0:38:33.240
<v Speaker 1>Question number two, My boyfriend and I have been thinking

0:38:33.239 --> 0:38:36.520
<v Speaker 1>about making a sex tape for ourselves. What's your thoughts

0:38:36.560 --> 0:38:39.000
<v Speaker 1>on this? Have you would you ever make one? I'm

0:38:39.040 --> 0:38:41.160
<v Speaker 1>not sure exactly how to go about it, as.

0:38:41.000 --> 0:38:43.160
<v Speaker 2>I obviously would hate for it to go anywhere else,

0:38:43.400 --> 0:38:44.960
<v Speaker 2>but it would be cool for us both to have

0:38:45.080 --> 0:38:47.360
<v Speaker 2>it to access it. Would love to know your opinion.

0:38:47.480 --> 0:38:49.239
<v Speaker 2>Have you ever made a sex tape? I have not.

0:38:49.600 --> 0:38:53.759
<v Speaker 2>I have not made a sex tape. I have not,

0:38:53.960 --> 0:38:57.600
<v Speaker 2>and I would not. That's my personal why would you not?

0:38:57.719 --> 0:39:00.080
<v Speaker 1>There's part of me that loves the idea of it,

0:39:00.160 --> 0:39:04.480
<v Speaker 1>but I just don't trust it ever, not being leaked,

0:39:04.520 --> 0:39:06.280
<v Speaker 1>not being sent somewhere, not being hacked.

0:39:06.320 --> 0:39:07.880
<v Speaker 2>I just wouldn't trust you. You could have your Kim

0:39:07.920 --> 0:39:10.040
<v Speaker 2>Kardashian moment, that might be the thing that catapults you

0:39:10.080 --> 0:39:12.360
<v Speaker 2>into stardom. I don't reckon that'll catapult me anyway.

0:39:13.120 --> 0:39:14.680
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I got some pretty good maneuvers, but I

0:39:14.680 --> 0:39:15.920
<v Speaker 1>don't think that she's catapulargy.

0:39:16.000 --> 0:39:18.600
<v Speaker 2>I think it's been catapulted once with Kim, and that's it.

0:39:18.840 --> 0:39:22.000
<v Speaker 2>I haven't made a sex I think I've filmed things,

0:39:22.080 --> 0:39:24.560
<v Speaker 2>but not like a sex tape that's sex. I don't know,

0:39:24.640 --> 0:39:25.960
<v Speaker 2>but it was like back in the day, and it

0:39:26.000 --> 0:39:28.919
<v Speaker 2>wasn't even on an iPhone. It was pre iPhone days back.

0:39:28.400 --> 0:39:31.280
<v Speaker 2>What is I record on it? Like a handheld camera?

0:39:31.480 --> 0:39:33.879
<v Speaker 2>Like a whole movie I think I have. I would

0:39:33.880 --> 0:39:35.319
<v Speaker 2>have just been deleted. It would have sat on like

0:39:35.320 --> 0:39:38.960
<v Speaker 2>a memory card somewhere. Yeah, look, I don't see the

0:39:39.000 --> 0:39:40.839
<v Speaker 2>problem with it. I don't think. I think if you're

0:39:40.880 --> 0:39:43.279
<v Speaker 2>in a loving and mutual relationship, and like you're in

0:39:43.280 --> 0:39:45.080
<v Speaker 2>a long term relationship, I wouldn't be doing it with

0:39:45.120 --> 0:39:47.319
<v Speaker 2>someone who I've just freshly started dating. But if you're

0:39:47.360 --> 0:39:49.600
<v Speaker 2>in a long term relationship with someone and you want

0:39:49.640 --> 0:39:51.600
<v Speaker 2>to do it, and then you're gonna watch it together

0:39:51.680 --> 0:39:53.200
<v Speaker 2>and that's gonna get you off, I don't think there's

0:39:53.200 --> 0:39:55.239
<v Speaker 2>any problems with it. And I also don't think that

0:39:55.280 --> 0:39:58.759
<v Speaker 2>it's necessarily unsafe. If you do it in a safe

0:39:58.760 --> 0:40:01.359
<v Speaker 2>way with someone who you trust, it's just you've got

0:40:01.360 --> 0:40:03.719
<v Speaker 2>to keep it somewhere where nobody is going to accidentally,

0:40:03.760 --> 0:40:05.839
<v Speaker 2>you know, share it on on like an air drop

0:40:05.920 --> 0:40:06.280
<v Speaker 2>or something.

0:40:06.440 --> 0:40:09.680
<v Speaker 1>I disagree because I've been in relationships where I completely

0:40:09.680 --> 0:40:11.880
<v Speaker 1>trust people and I don't haven't known them right, and

0:40:11.920 --> 0:40:14.000
<v Speaker 1>that is something I want people to consider.

0:40:14.400 --> 0:40:17.799
<v Speaker 2>There is absolutely nothing wrong with a sex tape. Film

0:40:17.840 --> 0:40:19.279
<v Speaker 2>what you want with your partnership.

0:40:19.440 --> 0:40:22.640
<v Speaker 1>The only thing I would say is anything you ever

0:40:22.880 --> 0:40:27.440
<v Speaker 1>film or shoot, there is a possibility statistically that it

0:40:27.480 --> 0:40:30.799
<v Speaker 1>could go somewhere. Whether you accidentally put that on a

0:40:30.840 --> 0:40:33.959
<v Speaker 1>laptop that goes somewhere, whether somebody hacks you, whether it's

0:40:34.480 --> 0:40:37.520
<v Speaker 1>it's leaked, intentional, whatever, it's going to be a possibility.

0:40:37.880 --> 0:40:40.360
<v Speaker 1>So I guess one thing you could say is, you know,

0:40:40.440 --> 0:40:43.160
<v Speaker 1>if it feels more comfortable. An option is to say

0:40:43.200 --> 0:40:45.279
<v Speaker 1>to your partner, like, I want to do this, but

0:40:45.280 --> 0:40:47.000
<v Speaker 1>if we do this, I want to take control of

0:40:47.040 --> 0:40:49.000
<v Speaker 1>the tape because he also has to consent, right, because

0:40:49.040 --> 0:40:50.760
<v Speaker 1>he could also be worried it's going to be leaked.

0:40:51.440 --> 0:40:52.680
<v Speaker 1>You could say I want it to be on my

0:40:52.760 --> 0:40:55.040
<v Speaker 1>phone if that's okay, and I don't want it to

0:40:55.040 --> 0:40:57.160
<v Speaker 1>store it anywhere else. I want to only be watching

0:40:57.160 --> 0:40:59.480
<v Speaker 1>it together. Like I think it's like anything, you still

0:40:59.480 --> 0:41:02.400
<v Speaker 1>have to have scent and boundaries, no faces up to

0:41:02.400 --> 0:41:04.560
<v Speaker 1>whatever you guys are happy with, no faces?

0:41:05.000 --> 0:41:06.839
<v Speaker 2>Who has it? Where it's stored? Is it in one

0:41:06.880 --> 0:41:10.080
<v Speaker 2>of these calculator lockboxings, What are the angles? How do

0:41:10.120 --> 0:41:11.839
<v Speaker 2>you feel comfortable? What do you want to do? What

0:41:11.880 --> 0:41:13.760
<v Speaker 2>don't you want to do? What is an off limits?

0:41:13.840 --> 0:41:15.719
<v Speaker 2>Do you then put it in splice and edit it?

0:41:15.760 --> 0:41:17.880
<v Speaker 2>Like what do you do with it? Like? Do you

0:41:18.239 --> 0:41:20.040
<v Speaker 2>do you just film it from start to finish and

0:41:20.080 --> 0:41:22.000
<v Speaker 2>that's your sex tape? Or do you like edit it

0:41:22.040 --> 0:41:24.000
<v Speaker 2>put a filter over it? Also, if you're putting it

0:41:24.000 --> 0:41:26.840
<v Speaker 2>in an editing app, just just know that the people

0:41:26.840 --> 0:41:29.480
<v Speaker 2>who own the editing app have access to everything that

0:41:29.520 --> 0:41:31.799
<v Speaker 2>you edit within that app. I've just realized I need

0:41:31.880 --> 0:41:33.400
<v Speaker 2>to go through my edit in it that. I also

0:41:33.440 --> 0:41:36.960
<v Speaker 2>think be conservative and don't go beyond where your boundaries lie.

0:41:36.960 --> 0:41:38.960
<v Speaker 2>And sometimes it's very easy to do that because you

0:41:38.920 --> 0:41:41.200
<v Speaker 2>would impress your partner or you want to perform, or

0:41:41.239 --> 0:41:43.520
<v Speaker 2>we can kind of like step outside where we feel

0:41:43.560 --> 0:41:46.680
<v Speaker 2>comfortable because we don't want to disappoint someone else. And

0:41:46.719 --> 0:41:49.319
<v Speaker 2>I think that this is a very big conversation just

0:41:49.360 --> 0:41:52.040
<v Speaker 2>before you do it. So therefore you know exactly what

0:41:52.080 --> 0:41:53.919
<v Speaker 2>you do and don't feel comfortable with. So that way,

0:41:53.960 --> 0:41:56.120
<v Speaker 2>if you know something is being filmed that you've said

0:41:56.120 --> 0:41:58.000
<v Speaker 2>you didn't want, you can easily say, oh, you know,

0:41:58.239 --> 0:42:00.000
<v Speaker 2>we just spoke about this. I don't want this on film,

0:42:00.320 --> 0:42:03.080
<v Speaker 2>but I also think the world's changing. I don't I mean,

0:42:03.400 --> 0:42:05.080
<v Speaker 2>and when I say this, I mean I don't think

0:42:05.080 --> 0:42:07.160
<v Speaker 2>that there is as anywhere near as much shame and

0:42:07.200 --> 0:42:08.080
<v Speaker 2>stigma around it.

0:42:08.239 --> 0:42:12.200
<v Speaker 1>So again, go hellful weather, wear leather, do whatever you want,

0:42:12.440 --> 0:42:14.719
<v Speaker 1>but just have those conversations and just be aware of

0:42:14.719 --> 0:42:17.640
<v Speaker 1>where it could end up. My point is, if something

0:42:17.680 --> 0:42:20.080
<v Speaker 1>has physically been made, it can go somewhere.

0:42:20.120 --> 0:42:22.160
<v Speaker 2>That's something to keep in mind. It's not about who

0:42:22.239 --> 0:42:24.799
<v Speaker 2>where why. If it's out in the stratosphere and it's

0:42:24.840 --> 0:42:26.840
<v Speaker 2>out in the intwebs and it's on a storage somewhere

0:42:26.840 --> 0:42:28.480
<v Speaker 2>and it can be uploaded to an iCloud, or.

0:42:28.400 --> 0:42:30.880
<v Speaker 1>It can be shared or whatever, there's the option. So

0:42:30.920 --> 0:42:32.840
<v Speaker 1>it's just something to one hundred percent keep in mind.

0:42:32.960 --> 0:42:34.880
<v Speaker 1>Having said that, fucking go for it if that's.

0:42:34.719 --> 0:42:37.640
<v Speaker 2>What you want. Last question, all right, Question number three.

0:42:37.719 --> 0:42:39.440
<v Speaker 2>I have been with my partner for three years. We

0:42:39.520 --> 0:42:42.319
<v Speaker 2>own a house together and are engaged. Since February, I

0:42:42.360 --> 0:42:45.680
<v Speaker 2>have been feeling unsure if I want the relationship. Everything

0:42:45.719 --> 0:42:47.760
<v Speaker 2>on paper seems good, but I am just not physically

0:42:47.760 --> 0:42:51.360
<v Speaker 2>attracted to him. Barund Barrel. I even sometimes feel embarrassed

0:42:51.400 --> 0:42:53.799
<v Speaker 2>that I'm with him. Oh, that's awful, And on the

0:42:53.800 --> 0:42:56.239
<v Speaker 2>other hand, we get along really well. I also feel

0:42:56.280 --> 0:42:58.400
<v Speaker 2>secure and have a lot of trust in this relationship.

0:42:58.640 --> 0:43:01.080
<v Speaker 2>I have never had this before. He adores me so much,

0:43:01.160 --> 0:43:03.879
<v Speaker 2>and I honestly enjoy his company. I love the life

0:43:03.880 --> 0:43:06.160
<v Speaker 2>that we've built together so far. But I also find

0:43:06.200 --> 0:43:09.760
<v Speaker 2>my eyes wandering, no action, just wandering. I do, however,

0:43:09.800 --> 0:43:11.960
<v Speaker 2>feel that maybe I have settled for a nice guy,

0:43:12.320 --> 0:43:15.400
<v Speaker 2>but maybe not someone I'm crazy about out of fear,

0:43:15.520 --> 0:43:18.440
<v Speaker 2>who knows any advice on figuring out how to know

0:43:18.520 --> 0:43:20.560
<v Speaker 2>if you were with the right person would be amazing?

0:43:20.760 --> 0:43:22.760
<v Speaker 2>Is there more to love than looking at your partner

0:43:22.800 --> 0:43:24.480
<v Speaker 2>and thinking, damn.

0:43:24.760 --> 0:43:28.319
<v Speaker 1>Oh, one part breaks my heart. I feel embarrassed that

0:43:28.360 --> 0:43:31.880
<v Speaker 1>I'm with him. That's really mean, that's really really horrible.

0:43:31.920 --> 0:43:34.200
<v Speaker 1>If you're only feeling embarrassed because you feel like he

0:43:34.239 --> 0:43:37.600
<v Speaker 1>doesn't look the way he should look. Breaks my heart

0:43:37.640 --> 0:43:40.320
<v Speaker 1>for him because he sounds like everything else is amazing

0:43:40.719 --> 0:43:42.680
<v Speaker 1>and you've been with him for three years, like this

0:43:42.760 --> 0:43:45.680
<v Speaker 1>is a good guy that loves you. Obviously you love.

0:43:45.560 --> 0:43:48.000
<v Speaker 2>Him, he wouldn't be with him, But that doesn't make

0:43:48.040 --> 0:43:50.280
<v Speaker 2>you a bad person. If you're not attracted to your partner.

0:43:50.440 --> 0:43:52.520
<v Speaker 2>I just think you have to be honest with yourself.

0:43:52.880 --> 0:43:55.120
<v Speaker 2>Like if you are walking down the street and you

0:43:55.120 --> 0:43:59.080
<v Speaker 2>are feeling embarrassed that you were in a relationship with someone, yes,

0:43:59.239 --> 0:44:01.560
<v Speaker 2>it may be super I'm not saying that these are

0:44:01.600 --> 0:44:04.319
<v Speaker 2>good feelings. But what I'm saying is is that you

0:44:04.360 --> 0:44:06.920
<v Speaker 2>can justify to the cows come home all the reasons

0:44:06.960 --> 0:44:09.800
<v Speaker 2>why you should be with someone. But if you feel

0:44:09.800 --> 0:44:13.120
<v Speaker 2>that way, if you feel embarrassed, if you feel not

0:44:13.160 --> 0:44:16.919
<v Speaker 2>attracted to that person at all, then I don't think

0:44:16.960 --> 0:44:19.200
<v Speaker 2>that all the other reasons are enough. Like if you're

0:44:19.239 --> 0:44:21.520
<v Speaker 2>googling should I be with this person? If you're asking

0:44:21.600 --> 0:44:24.680
<v Speaker 2>questions like is there more than this? I would say

0:44:24.719 --> 0:44:26.800
<v Speaker 2>that this is not your person and you are trying

0:44:26.840 --> 0:44:28.280
<v Speaker 2>to fit a square into a circle.

0:44:28.600 --> 0:44:30.600
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I want to say the same thing I want

0:44:30.640 --> 0:44:32.640
<v Speaker 1>to say. If you say to yourself, I feel like

0:44:32.680 --> 0:44:35.840
<v Speaker 1>I've settled, you've settled, well, then you've probably settled, and

0:44:35.880 --> 0:44:38.360
<v Speaker 1>that you know, we can be with the most amazing

0:44:38.400 --> 0:44:40.680
<v Speaker 1>person that ticks every box and they're not our person.

0:44:40.760 --> 0:44:42.759
<v Speaker 1>They can treat you amazingly, they can love you, they

0:44:42.760 --> 0:44:46.200
<v Speaker 1>can be everything you want, even attractiveness wise, and they're not.

0:44:46.200 --> 0:44:47.240
<v Speaker 2>Your person totally.

0:44:47.400 --> 0:44:51.360
<v Speaker 1>The other thing I will say, conversely, is that looks

0:44:51.400 --> 0:44:55.760
<v Speaker 1>aren't forever, and looks do fade and attraction does change.

0:44:55.800 --> 0:44:58.200
<v Speaker 1>In long term relationships, the attraction you're going to have

0:44:58.280 --> 0:45:01.400
<v Speaker 1>after ten years will be different in some capacity to

0:45:01.520 --> 0:45:04.080
<v Speaker 1>what it was at the start. There's a difference between

0:45:04.120 --> 0:45:08.680
<v Speaker 1>like unattracted and having the ick and just nothing just plateau,

0:45:08.840 --> 0:45:10.520
<v Speaker 1>like you know, I love everything about you, my partner.

0:45:10.719 --> 0:45:13.360
<v Speaker 1>I don't get wet when I look at you straight away,

0:45:13.440 --> 0:45:14.400
<v Speaker 1>but like I still want.

0:45:14.239 --> 0:45:17.359
<v Speaker 2>To anyone care wet straight away. Yeah, that's because you're

0:45:17.400 --> 0:45:18.160
<v Speaker 2>doing long distance.

0:45:18.400 --> 0:45:20.600
<v Speaker 1>But my point is if you're actually getting the ick

0:45:20.920 --> 0:45:23.919
<v Speaker 1>and it's turning you off and you're that unattracted to him,

0:45:24.440 --> 0:45:26.360
<v Speaker 1>then maybe he isn't your person.

0:45:26.560 --> 0:45:28.120
<v Speaker 2>But it's not just the looks.

0:45:28.120 --> 0:45:30.040
<v Speaker 1>For me, it's the idea that you were saying you're

0:45:30.040 --> 0:45:32.680
<v Speaker 1>embarrassed and you're saying you think you're settling. They're two

0:45:32.680 --> 0:45:34.440
<v Speaker 1>big red flags in a relationship for me.

0:45:34.560 --> 0:45:37.439
<v Speaker 2>Oh, like, they're beyond red flags. Like for me, there's

0:45:37.480 --> 0:45:39.919
<v Speaker 2>no coming back from that feeling like and I say

0:45:39.960 --> 0:45:42.480
<v Speaker 2>this not because I'm like, oh, you need to do

0:45:42.520 --> 0:45:44.799
<v Speaker 2>this for you, you also need to do this for him.

0:45:45.160 --> 0:45:48.040
<v Speaker 2>There's no convincing yourself, Oh, maybe actually be in this

0:45:48.120 --> 0:45:51.640
<v Speaker 2>relationship because he's a nice person. If your partner knew

0:45:51.719 --> 0:45:55.360
<v Speaker 2>that you were embarrassed to be in a relationship with them,

0:45:55.480 --> 0:45:57.759
<v Speaker 2>how hurtful that would be. Like I couldn't think of

0:45:57.800 --> 0:45:59.359
<v Speaker 2>any I mean, I could think of things at a worse,

0:45:59.400 --> 0:46:02.960
<v Speaker 2>but like, that would be so incredibly hurtful. And I

0:46:03.080 --> 0:46:06.239
<v Speaker 2>don't think that we should be in any relationships where

0:46:06.239 --> 0:46:09.040
<v Speaker 2>we're willing ourselves to like the other person, to love

0:46:09.080 --> 0:46:11.799
<v Speaker 2>the other person just because on paper their qualities are great.

0:46:12.160 --> 0:46:14.320
<v Speaker 2>And look, it might be that on paper his qualities

0:46:14.320 --> 0:46:17.080
<v Speaker 2>are amazing, and you may struggle to find somebody else

0:46:17.080 --> 0:46:19.719
<v Speaker 2>who on paper has all the qualities that he has.

0:46:20.239 --> 0:46:21.600
<v Speaker 2>You know, it's not like you're going to just break

0:46:21.640 --> 0:46:23.480
<v Speaker 2>up and then instantly start dating someone else. You might,

0:46:23.520 --> 0:46:25.160
<v Speaker 2>you might not. It might take you a long time.

0:46:25.200 --> 0:46:28.440
<v Speaker 2>But sometimes we can find ourselves in relationships where we

0:46:28.560 --> 0:46:31.240
<v Speaker 2>know the person is a great person and we can't

0:46:31.320 --> 0:46:34.080
<v Speaker 2>find enough reasons to leave. It's like we want them

0:46:34.120 --> 0:46:36.439
<v Speaker 2>to do something bad, we want them to love us less.

0:46:36.440 --> 0:46:38.720
<v Speaker 2>We want them to do something which would then warrant

0:46:39.080 --> 0:46:42.400
<v Speaker 2>this feeling of it's not quite enough, but he's so

0:46:42.480 --> 0:46:44.360
<v Speaker 2>good to you, he's never going to do it. And

0:46:44.560 --> 0:46:46.840
<v Speaker 2>but the thing is is that sometimes relationships are just

0:46:46.960 --> 0:46:49.160
<v Speaker 2>not right, and sometimes the person is just not the

0:46:49.239 --> 0:46:51.560
<v Speaker 2>right person for you without having all of the other

0:46:51.600 --> 0:46:53.560
<v Speaker 2>things that go along with it, without having the big

0:46:53.600 --> 0:46:56.719
<v Speaker 2>red warning sign, it's just a feeling. And sometimes that

0:46:56.760 --> 0:46:59.719
<v Speaker 2>feeling is enough to not be with a person, and

0:46:59.760 --> 0:47:02.000
<v Speaker 2>you don't need someone to tell you that it's okay

0:47:02.160 --> 0:47:06.440
<v Speaker 2>to leave a relationship. I myself have been in a

0:47:06.480 --> 0:47:09.560
<v Speaker 2>long term relationship where the guy was perfect. It didn't

0:47:09.560 --> 0:47:13.279
<v Speaker 2>come down to looks. But I didn't feel it anymore,

0:47:13.480 --> 0:47:16.040
<v Speaker 2>and hadn't for a really long time. But I knew

0:47:16.120 --> 0:47:18.920
<v Speaker 2>he was amazing, and I knew he was an amazing boyfriend,

0:47:18.960 --> 0:47:23.120
<v Speaker 2>and I wanted so much to be in a relationship

0:47:23.120 --> 0:47:25.480
<v Speaker 2>with him because I loved the life that we had together.

0:47:25.880 --> 0:47:28.960
<v Speaker 2>I loved our apartment, I loved our cat, I loved

0:47:29.000 --> 0:47:32.320
<v Speaker 2>our everything that we had. I loved. But I didn't

0:47:32.800 --> 0:47:36.080
<v Speaker 2>feel the way I should have felt about him, and

0:47:36.120 --> 0:47:38.560
<v Speaker 2>so I hung on for so long because I was

0:47:38.600 --> 0:47:41.719
<v Speaker 2>hoping so deeply that my feelings would change, because I

0:47:41.800 --> 0:47:43.760
<v Speaker 2>wanted them to change, because he was such a fucking

0:47:43.800 --> 0:47:46.920
<v Speaker 2>great guy. But the reality is sometimes just being a

0:47:46.920 --> 0:47:49.920
<v Speaker 2>great person is not enough of a romantic match. And

0:47:50.480 --> 0:47:52.799
<v Speaker 2>I guess, like, just coming back to those two things

0:47:52.800 --> 0:47:56.440
<v Speaker 2>you said that you're embarrassed and that you feel like

0:47:56.480 --> 0:48:00.000
<v Speaker 2>you're settling for me, that's it. This is a relationship

0:48:00.239 --> 0:48:00.920
<v Speaker 2>you shouldn't be in.

0:48:01.160 --> 0:48:04.279
<v Speaker 1>There's also the sunk cost fallacy. You've been within three

0:48:04.360 --> 0:48:07.560
<v Speaker 1>years kind of you've bought a house together, you're engaged,

0:48:07.760 --> 0:48:10.279
<v Speaker 1>like you feel like a lot of people, I'm not

0:48:10.280 --> 0:48:11.759
<v Speaker 1>putting words in your mouth, but a lot of people

0:48:11.800 --> 0:48:14.480
<v Speaker 1>in this situation feel like they've invested too much. It's

0:48:14.480 --> 0:48:16.680
<v Speaker 1>too late to go back. You know, we've got the mortgage,

0:48:16.840 --> 0:48:19.120
<v Speaker 1>three years of my time. We're taking that next step

0:48:19.160 --> 0:48:19.680
<v Speaker 1>with the house.

0:48:19.760 --> 0:48:22.680
<v Speaker 2>Like you're on the tradmill. You want it to keep

0:48:22.719 --> 0:48:24.640
<v Speaker 2>moving forward because you want to start again from scratch.

0:48:24.719 --> 0:48:26.879
<v Speaker 1>It makes sense, right, and you probably know you want

0:48:26.960 --> 0:48:30.400
<v Speaker 1>kids or you're thinking, you know, you've fantasized and talked

0:48:30.400 --> 0:48:32.799
<v Speaker 1>about and planned out what your life looks like.

0:48:33.120 --> 0:48:35.880
<v Speaker 2>It's really hard to get out of that. It's really hard.

0:48:35.960 --> 0:48:38.600
<v Speaker 1>And I say hard is in not physically like anyone

0:48:38.600 --> 0:48:40.640
<v Speaker 1>can sell a house right The mortgage isn't going to

0:48:40.680 --> 0:48:44.200
<v Speaker 1>tie you together forever. You're not yet married. I get, yes,

0:48:44.239 --> 0:48:47.279
<v Speaker 1>you're engaged, you've got a ring, you know, but you

0:48:47.360 --> 0:48:49.719
<v Speaker 1>can get out of that. It's mentally really hard to

0:48:49.719 --> 0:48:51.960
<v Speaker 1>get out of that. It's mentally hard to start again

0:48:52.360 --> 0:48:55.160
<v Speaker 1>to mourn what you imagined your life would have been,

0:48:55.239 --> 0:48:58.360
<v Speaker 1>the fairy tale, the safety, the security of a partnership.

0:48:58.520 --> 0:48:59.560
<v Speaker 2>It's really fucking hard.

0:48:59.640 --> 0:49:02.680
<v Speaker 1>Also, three years of your life at any age, it's

0:49:02.719 --> 0:49:05.680
<v Speaker 1>really hard to get around the fact that three years

0:49:05.680 --> 0:49:07.880
<v Speaker 1>of your life has been wasted. Quote unquote. It's not

0:49:07.960 --> 0:49:10.360
<v Speaker 1>wasted at all, It is absolutely not. What will be

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<v Speaker 1>wasted is if you stay in this relationship for twenty

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<v Speaker 1>five years when you know you should have left twenty

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<v Speaker 1>five years ago.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and I know that there's another way that we

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<v Speaker 2>can unpack this, Like we can definitely take the route

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<v Speaker 2>of saying you're superficial and kind of pointing fingers. And

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<v Speaker 2>I do think it is superficial to look at your

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<v Speaker 2>partner and go, well, I'm embarrassed because of the way

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<v Speaker 2>you look. It is so deeply superficial. It's proper cooked.

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<v Speaker 2>It is, it really is. But that doesn't negate the

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<v Speaker 2>fact that that is how you feel, and if that

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<v Speaker 2>is how you feel, then it's a relationship you shouldn't

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<v Speaker 2>be in because you should be so especially being engaged,

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<v Speaker 2>like engage your honeymoon period, girlfriend, Like you should be

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<v Speaker 2>so proud of the person that is standing next to you,

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<v Speaker 2>and that is I think a prerequisite for being in

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<v Speaker 2>a long term relationship, for like getting ready to walk

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<v Speaker 2>down the aisle, if nothing else. You should be able

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<v Speaker 2>to stand up on your wedding day and say I

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<v Speaker 2>am so proud of the person that I marrying, and

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<v Speaker 2>that I'm so proud to be marrying them, not to

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<v Speaker 2>be saying I'm so embarrassed by them. It's just it's

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<v Speaker 2>so deeply flawed. And I don't think that if that's

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<v Speaker 2>the type of wording that you're using about your partner,

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<v Speaker 2>that it's something that's going to be easy for you

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<v Speaker 2>to overcome. But I do think you're going to have

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<v Speaker 2>to do quite a bit of work to get yourself

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<v Speaker 2>to a place where you feel as though you can

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<v Speaker 2>walk away from the relationship, because when everything when all

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<v Speaker 2>the other boxes are ticked, it's so hard. Yeah, and

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<v Speaker 2>I want to reiterate as well, I said it earlier,

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<v Speaker 2>but looks they really aren't everything. Like one day we're

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<v Speaker 2>all going to be hopefully we have the privilege of

0:50:34.640 --> 0:50:37.680
<v Speaker 2>being old and wrinkly and saggy, and the way someone

0:50:37.719 --> 0:50:40.360
<v Speaker 2>treats you and their personality and their humor is so

0:50:40.480 --> 0:50:42.440
<v Speaker 2>much more important. Yeah, but I think she knows that,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's why she's grappling with this. That's why she's like,

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<v Speaker 2>I know he's great, I just am not attracted to him,

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<v Speaker 2>so sure, like what can I do to overcome this feeling?

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<v Speaker 2>But the thing is is if you've tried all the things,

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<v Speaker 2>if you've tried all the things, if you've you know,

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<v Speaker 2>invested in the relationship because you recognize he's a great guy,

0:50:57.520 --> 0:51:01.000
<v Speaker 2>but you're still not attracted, still have the ick, you

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<v Speaker 2>still don't want to be physically intimate with him because

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<v Speaker 2>you know that we just know she's not attracted. Well,

0:51:05.760 --> 0:51:08.279
<v Speaker 2>you know, it's pretty leaning into it. I would say

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<v Speaker 2>that if you've tried all the things, then you can't

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<v Speaker 2>deny what's screaming at you, and that's that this relationship

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't feel right, even if you can't put your finger

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<v Speaker 2>on the exact reason why you are being told something,

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<v Speaker 2>and that is that your guys are not compatible for whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>That is also the last thing.

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<v Speaker 1>You've been feeling unsure if you want the relationship since February,

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<v Speaker 1>so it's now November, so long it's yeah, this is

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<v Speaker 1>not four weeks. This is coming close to ten months,

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<v Speaker 1>like the better part of a year. I think you

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<v Speaker 1>need to exit stage left before you lock it down

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<v Speaker 1>into the wedding.

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<v Speaker 2>Sorry, after math ten it's enough math. If you feel

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<v Speaker 2>like this before getting married, this will end in divorce totally.

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<v Speaker 2>I very strongly feel like that. Okay. Anyway, guys, that

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<v Speaker 2>is it from us. If you have a question for

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<v Speaker 2>asking cut, please slide on into the DMS. Every single

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<v Speaker 2>one of these ones were very spicy. Yeah, they were hard,

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<v Speaker 2>very tricky. So the threesome one fun. It's gonna give

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<v Speaker 2>me nightmares. You guys know the trill.

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<v Speaker 1>So your mum, te, dad, te, don't tee friends and

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