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Speaker 1: on the line right now, good morning to you.

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Speaker 2: Alex, Good Katie, Alex.

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Speaker 1: So does this mean that we are going to be

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Look, and following you raising the issue. We did

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Speaker 1: So when are we going to get to the point

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Speaker 3: So we're not shying away that there would be a

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and then I imagine like if you get a

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Speaker 3: Well, this is where unfortunately the human eraor can creep

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Speaker 2: Wow, So is this something that's like is that a

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Speaker 1: Oh well, I don't know if the government will, but

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Speaker 1: Hey, Alex, We've had a lot, like quite a few

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Speaker 3: Look, yes it is, and a lot of our venues

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Speaker 1: To try and curb it well, and you said that

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Speaker 1: Alex, we know that we're edging a bit closer to

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Speaker 3: Yes, because our Fresco fees were coming back and then

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Speaker 3: It gives that small business sector a bit of immediate relief,

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Speaker 3: however that plays out when the residents vote, but engaging

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm always interested to see what different policies all

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