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Speaker 2: this morning a gentleman who's not so big May Worth,

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Speaker 3: Do you want to hear my best day to honor impersonation?

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Speaker 2: Though? Oh do we do?

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Speaker 2: Say, of course, Dad in Heil, good morning you, Yeah, good?

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Speaker 4: How are you?

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Speaker 1: I'm well, I'm well.

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Speaker 6: could get it often and now totally can't get any adelaide.

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Speaker 4: That's all right.

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Speaker 2: Well, I'm sure that we'll get to having both of

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Speaker 2: you in here in the studio more regularly.

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Speaker 4: Hey, let's talk very briefly.

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Speaker 2: I don't really want to talk about local issues too

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Speaker 2: much this morning, but let's very briefly talk about you know,

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Speaker 2: this scandal has been going on for some time now.

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Speaker 2: We heard the opposition leader earlier on the show say

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Speaker 2: that you know, she's calling on the government now to

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Speaker 2: introduce or to implement random drug testing inside Parliament House.

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Speaker 2: I mean, is this something that realistically could happen?

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Speaker 6: Well, drug testings generally from a union perspective as a

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Speaker 6: former official, it's generally around safety that you want people

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Speaker 6: say on an impact site for instance, where they had

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Speaker 6: drug testing and as well as alcohol testing because people

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Speaker 6: are in a high risk environment. So you know, if

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Speaker 6: it reduces the number of paper cuts and people burning

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Speaker 6: their tongue on.

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Speaker 2: Coffee, I guess about the decision making process.

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Speaker 6: And so all right, so you look at it, say

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Speaker 6: organization comes and says they want a drug test. You

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Speaker 6: need to work out, all right, what's the regime look like.

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Speaker 6: Are you're going to test every single person every day?

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Speaker 6: Or is it going to be a random situation.

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Speaker 4: Where you where can the random be the.

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Speaker 1: Go the random could be the goal?

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Speaker 6: Then all right, how are you going to deal with

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Speaker 6: somebody when if they are affected by drugs? Are they

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Speaker 6: Is it a three strike policy or is it a

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Speaker 6: you're out the door immediately. Is their counseling offered? Is

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Speaker 6: their support given to those people around illicit drug use?

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Speaker 6: If that's what's happening. So there's a lot more it's

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Speaker 6: easy to call all right, we're going to blanket drug test.

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Speaker 6: There's a lot more logistics. It's got to be costed out.

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Speaker 6: It's very expensive to do.

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Speaker 2: By not talking about reinventing the wheel. I mean, it

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Speaker 2: happens in lots of other workplaces, doesn't.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, well it does, but a lot of those workplace

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Speaker 6: is a high risk. This is drug testing is about safety, right,

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Speaker 6: It's not about social conscience all right, it's about actual

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Speaker 6: safety with people that are doing high risk activities that

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Speaker 6: you don't want them impeded by drugs. Now we're talking

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Speaker 6: about a different you know, a different reason I suppose

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Speaker 6: for doing it here. It's not like people are in

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Speaker 6: a high risk environment. What we're saying and what people

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Speaker 6: decision makers of the Northern Territory and the people at

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Speaker 6: of people that you're coming in to. You know that

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Speaker 6: you're going to have tested if you're going to do this,

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Speaker 6: but you also need to do have what's going to

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Speaker 2: That are and if there is somebody struggling.

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Speaker 6: You know, often people don't decide one day that they're

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Speaker 1: What sort of supports are we put in in place?

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Speaker 6: Are we going to have a name and shame thing

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Speaker 6: people that have tested possitible.

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Speaker 2: Well, look, I don't think it'd be about that, and

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Speaker 2: enough point, you know, for Territorians to make. But I

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Speaker 2: certainly take on board what you've said there that you've

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Speaker 2: also got to make sure that you've got procedures and

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Speaker 4: Are they just going to be sacked or.

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Speaker 3: You know, what would be the go And all those

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Speaker 3: and all of those questions that you just raised, Hailey,

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Speaker 3: I guess it would be the same across any industry,

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Speaker 3: private sector. Just out of curiosity, do they do drug

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Speaker 6: No, there's no drug testing in canber And you know,

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Speaker 6: I remember when I went down there, this was our

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Speaker 1: The Whip told us, he said, now.

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Speaker 6: Guys, just about alcohol. Be careful with alcohol. You can

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Speaker 6: get away from you. There's a lot of functions and

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Speaker 6: comes to alcohol. Now there's drinks in the Prime Minister's

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Speaker 1: And there's little you know, pop up, piss up, so

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Speaker 6: Call them all over Parliament House all the time, every

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Speaker 1: The police are the people to deal with this.

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Speaker 2: Well, look, there's quite a few text messages coming through

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Speaker 2: why it can't be done, find a way to do it,

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Speaker 2: says Barry. And look that's just one of the messages.

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Speaker 2: But I would have to say that they are all

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Speaker 3: Point of alcohol is a really good one as well.

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Speaker 3: You know, I mean that is illegal drug. Obviously we're

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Speaker 3: talking about drug testing for illegal substances. But you know,

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Speaker 3: what would be the difference between someone going out for

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Speaker 1: Well, like you.

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Speaker 2: Sometimes over the years, you know, there's been discussions about

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Speaker 6: Rule that I wouldn't have anything to drink if I

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Speaker 4: It's a really good rule and everyone that rule.

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Speaker 6: I admit that there was nights where you know, things

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Speaker 6: But you know, I think alcohol is probably still the

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Speaker 6: probably talking about a small portion of people that indulge

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Speaker 6: from a union perspective, what the CPS used would be

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Speaker 6: And if we've spoken to the CPSU, because many of

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Speaker 6: be interesting to see what their view is about their

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Speaker 2: Well, let's move along and talk about the other really

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Speaker 2: big news story of the week, and that is the

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Speaker 2: terms of being able to open back up. Unfortunately, though

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Speaker 2: we have seen around the nation that there's been hundreds

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Speaker 2: that anti vaxxas are a small minority. As hundreds rallied

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Speaker 2: heard from you know, the AMA doctor Robert Parker. We

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Speaker 2: a few of them who have said, you know, if

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Speaker 4: A medical professional.

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Speaker 2: Do not get your information from you know, from Facebook,

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Speaker 2: or from different, you know, different sort of unverified locations

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Speaker 4: They just sort of want.

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Speaker 2: To see how it rolls out and what some of

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Speaker 2: those side effects are, well, you.

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Speaker 1: Know the flu injection.

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Speaker 6: We as our council, as an Alderman, we get a

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Speaker 6: flu injection where we're going to functions or we going

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Speaker 6: to council events, we're amongst the public. You're shaking hands

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Speaker 6: or Australians first and the most vulnerable Australians and frontline workers.

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Speaker 6: But I fully support people's right to protest and if

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Speaker 6: they don't want to get a vaccine. But I also

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Speaker 6: support Quanas's position that if they haven't been vaccine, you're

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Speaker 6: not allowed on their planes. If sporting organizations decide or

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Speaker 6: the Major Code say well, if you can't prove you've

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Speaker 6: And hospitals and schools that will turn people away because

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Speaker 2: Exactly which it every year.

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Speaker 2: If you've got space, that's.

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Speaker 4: Where you're going to get Maddie Hepworth. If you've got

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Speaker 3: Got I've got the COVID vaccine, but I can't get

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Speaker 4: I tell you what, it's an interesting one.

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Speaker 4: This is all good.

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Speaker 2: There are you know, these mild side effects or whatever

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Speaker 6: And how much work's gone into these facstaff. You've had

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Speaker 1: You know. I know Dave still thinks this is nothing

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Speaker 4: He'll be no worries, He'll get he's.

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Speaker 6: I reckon he's moving off Sweden's way of dealing with it.

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Speaker 6: It's taken him twelve months. I shouldn't I shouldn't talk

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Speaker 1: But Sweden has had a shocker me.

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Speaker 4: And he was saying that was the way to go.

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Speaker 2: Maddie Hepworth raised this yesterday. Obviously the Prime Minister Scott

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Speaker 4: Vaccine and she goes, no, I'll do it again.

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Speaker 4: I just reckons gold.

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Speaker 1: Obviously she might be a good labor girl.

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Speaker 1: He'll leave once the photo is taken. Ill Morrison from

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Speaker 6: Marketing rocks up to an elderly Australian who doesn't miss anything.

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Speaker 6: You know, I.

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Speaker 6: And then you throw Facebook and a couple of glasses

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Speaker 4: Looking about yourself, not me.

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Speaker 6: I haven't got a Facebook page, but I know people

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Speaker 4: I agree with you.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, thing, and you're over point oh five. You can't drive.

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Speaker 6: No, no, I thought that person was befriend No. I've

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Speaker 6: I'm happy being on the council at Palmerston. I live

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Speaker 1: And have I ever mentioned the recreational lab?

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Speaker 6: Oh?

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Speaker 7: So it's not Haley's laugh called something else. I'm just

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Speaker 4: We've all been there, you know, drinks, done something, a.

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Speaker 6: Bit, do that, and as a coach, you're just pulling

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Speaker 2: I mean, if the worst you do is pull a

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Speaker 3: Well, I mean, he says the real story behind it

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Speaker 4: Truth be told.

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Speaker 4: I mean, what did he slipped.

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Speaker 1: Getting pulled into it.

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Speaker 6: More and more volunteers like you know who, our friend

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Speaker 2: So I really don't so we don't care here exactly.

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Speaker 1: Any place for New South Wales.

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Speaker 5: It is.

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Speaker 2: But I want to take you across to camera very

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Speaker 2: quickly because it is being reported that Scott Morrison has

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Speaker 2: sought that Party room endorsement today on a proposal for

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Speaker 2: a modest increase to the doll of up to fifty

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Speaker 2: dollars a fortnight in exchange for stricter mutual obligation conditions

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Speaker 2: around a permanently higher job seeker payment once the one

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Speaker 2: hundred and fifty dollars COVID nineteen supplement ends next month.

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Speaker 2: A Labor has flaged that it will support the Morrison

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Speaker 2: government's proposed permanent increase of welfare. So during a caucus

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Speaker 2: meeting a little bit earlier today, the Opposition Social Services

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Speaker 2: spokeswoman Linda Burney said she wanted to see the details

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Speaker 2: about the mutual obligations the Morrison government's permanent welfare rise

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Speaker 2: will be contingent on, but she said it was not

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Speaker 2: the party's intention to stand in the way of welfare

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Speaker 2: recipients receiving additional money. That's according to a caucus spokesperson.

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Speaker 2: So I believe that the doll hasn't gone up for

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Speaker 2: it's been years and years.

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Speaker 4: It's been awfully long time.

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Speaker 2: As I understand it, I always reckon there's a bit

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Speaker 2: of a fine line between, you know, making it too

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Speaker 2: attractive so people don't want to go out and seek employment,

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Speaker 2: and you know, obviously having it too low that people

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Speaker 2: can't afford to live.

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Speaker 4: You've got to reach that middle ground.

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Speaker 3: I think I've been fortunate enough that I've never had

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Speaker 3: to live on welfare, but I think if you ask

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Speaker 3: anyone that has been on it, they say that it

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Speaker 3: is incredibly tough to live off. If it's going to increase,

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Speaker 3: that is good that it comes with those conditions around

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Speaker 3: the mutual benefit agreements, and I think finding that balance

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Speaker 3: where and we've heard anecdotally from police and even ministers

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Speaker 3: up here that when we saw those COVID nineteen welfare

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Speaker 3: payments that there was anecdotal evidence of an increase in

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Speaker 3: antisocial behavior. So I don't think fifty dollars a week

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Speaker 3: is going to create those problems that we heard from

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Speaker 3: those larger chunks of welfare. But yeah, certainly it sounds

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Speaker 3: like it would be welcome for anyone that's on it.

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Speaker 2: Fifty at fortnite, Yeah.

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Speaker 6: I think you can argue over that. Obviously there is

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Speaker 6: going to be an election at some stage this year

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Speaker 6: for the Liberal Party to ever talk about this. They

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Speaker 6: were basically against any increase in the new start allowance

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Speaker 6: and it's long overdue.

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Speaker 1: It should have happened ages ago.

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Speaker 6: It costs money to be unemployed and to be looking

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Speaker 6: for work and having to present yourself to get resumes,

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Speaker 6: go to interviews, travel to interviews, get nice clothes, get

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Speaker 6: your hair done, whatever it is. I'd like to see

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Speaker 6: a raft of changes in this space to help people,

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Speaker 6: particularly young Australians and older Australians. There's a big there's

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Speaker 6: a gap. Then there's people that are over fifty five

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Speaker 6: struggling to get work, and there's people under twenty five

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Speaker 6: that struggling to get work. Raft of incentives, particularly around trades,

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Speaker 6: to give incentives to businesses to put on more trainee.

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Speaker 6: The more apprentices give people opportunities in that space. Make

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Speaker 6: university cheaper so that you know people can go it

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Speaker 6: can afford university.

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Speaker 1: It was always funny Joe Hockey was.

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Speaker 6: The great protester against university fees when he was at university,

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Speaker 6: actually on the stump over twenty dollars admin. But yet

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Speaker 6: they've lifted the cost of getting a degree, so we've

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Speaker 6: got to make it affordable for the exactly different things

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Speaker 6: that could happen.

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Speaker 4: Well, we're going to have to wrap it up. Boys

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Speaker 4: are the big issues of course.

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Speaker 2: Partly brought to you by Kolano Community Association, an Aboriginal loaned,

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Speaker 2: operated and community lead organization from the top End to

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Speaker 2: Tenant Creek. Maddie Hepworth, thank you for joining us.

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Speaker 3: Good on you, Kdan, You're always a pleasure.

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Speaker 1: Never attour.

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Speaker 2: We'll catch you both again. Well, Maddie, we'll catch you

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Speaker 2: again in a few minutes. And Taylee we'll see you

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Speaker 2: next week. Thank you very much. You are listening to

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Speaker 2: mix one oh four point nine is three sixty