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Speaker 1: We know that the latest Northern Territory Police Association survey

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Speaker 1: results they've been released and the results probably aren't a

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Speaker 1: huge surprise to anyone. We know that into total, there

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Speaker 1: was seven hundred and thirteen member responses to that survey.

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Speaker 1: It equates to around forty two point nine percent of

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Speaker 1: eligible membership. Ninety eight point zero four percent of respondents

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Speaker 1: to do what's being asked of them. Nathan Finn, the

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Speaker 1: President of the Police Association, joins me in the studio

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Speaker 1: to talk more about it.

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Speaker 2: Good morning, Finny.

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Speaker 3: Good morning Katy, and good morning for your listeners.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back for twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 3: I would say welcome back to you too.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back, thank you, yes, thank you. Now when was

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Speaker 1: the survey conducted?

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Speaker 3: So I was conducted at the end of December. It

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Speaker 3: was to make sure that we have an up to

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Speaker 3: date avenue of where the current sentiment was with the

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Speaker 3: police force. This was to enable us to make the

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Speaker 3: submission into the resource Allocation review.

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Speaker 1: Now the numbers seem to be down a bit on

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Speaker 1: what they've been in previous years.

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Speaker 2: I had a look at the one from last year.

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Speaker 1: I think there's twelve hundred odds, so they do seem

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Speaker 1: to be down a bit.

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Speaker 2: What do you reckon the reason needs There's.

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Speaker 3: A number of reasons, Katie. The sentiment within the police

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Speaker 3: force currently, the members on the ground know what the

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Speaker 3: issues are. NTPA know what the issues are. Our members

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Speaker 3: have been telling us for a very long time they

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Speaker 3: need extra resources on the ground to do what they're doing.

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Speaker 3: We are advocating for them day in day out to

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Speaker 3: try and get this for them. They know that we're

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Speaker 3: seeing some big changes also in the discipline space. We're

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Speaker 3: also seeing a lot more contact at the Northern Territory

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Speaker 3: Police Association by members asking for assistance in their workplace.

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Speaker 3: So we're seeing an increased workload for the NTPA office

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Speaker 3: staff here and we're getting the results that we're after.

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Speaker 3: Our members are getting the results there after, they're getting

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Speaker 3: looked after, they're getting the respect that they deserve in

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Speaker 3: the hard job they're doing.

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Speaker 1: Is that coming from the leadership at the top, So

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Speaker 1: from the commissioner, doubt.

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Speaker 3: It's coming from Yes, the executive have had a change

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Speaker 3: and a positive change within the police force. But again

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Speaker 3: we are there to make sure that our members receive

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Speaker 3: the entitlement there and the respect that they deserve not

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Speaker 3: only from the members of the public, but also from

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Speaker 3: the executive the Northern Territory Police Force.

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Speaker 1: Can he talk us through some of these numbers and

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Speaker 1: some of the things that you maybe find the most

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Speaker 3: My concern is we're still seeing the highest number of

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Speaker 3: ninety eight point zero four percent of our members saying

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Speaker 3: need to do. This resource allocation review is currently underway

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Speaker 3: and obviously Vince Kelly, ex Northern Territory Police Association President,

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Speaker 3: this review comes back. And actually we've placed an evidence

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Speaker 3: based submission to the review team. It was ninety seven

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Speaker 3: pages that we submitted and backed by evidence. It was

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Speaker 3: a timely submission by the Northern Territory Police Station that

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Speaker 3: took six to eight weeks to compile. We've done a

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Speaker 3: and we're just seeing that the numbers aren't there to

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Speaker 3: support the police out there on the front line. And

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Speaker 3: even we're saying just frontline. We can we focus on

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Speaker 3: the front line because that's what the public see or

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Speaker 3: don't see these numbers in the background too. With our

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Speaker 3: of years. Our support staff haven't changed over a number

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Speaker 3: over all its members within eleven years, which is funy wow. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: And you can't lose that level of experience. We need

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Speaker 3: to focus on how we can not about It's not

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Speaker 1: What do you reckon the take home message for the

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Speaker 1: We know Vince Kelley is highly respected. He is somebody

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Speaker 1: who's going to put in a massive amount of work

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Speaker 2: Is conducted appropriately.

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Speaker 1: So what do you think the main take home is

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Speaker 1: now at this point from our offices, from those that

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Speaker 3: Give us these resources and give us the resources. Now

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Speaker 3: we've been saying this for years, we're under resourced. The

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Speaker 3: fact is that the stats are showing that we haven't

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Speaker 3: by youths? And that just rolls me right up. That's

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Speaker 2: It's actually heartbreaking. That is actually heartbreaking.

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Speaker 3: It's devastating, not just her but for her entire family.

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Speaker 1: That's exactly right, mate. That breaks my heart to hear

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Speaker 3: And the thing is that the heartbreak was seeing across

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Speaker 3: our thoughts and prayers go out to them, But what

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Speaker 2: It is really difficult.

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Speaker 1: We know that our police are going out to such

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Speaker 2: They want to help.

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Speaker 1: They want to be part of being able to solve

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Speaker 3: It's just frustrating for them. It's frustrating that they can't

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Speaker 3: The pressure's being placed on them day to day is

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Speaker 3: phenomenal and we can't say enough. But what do we do, Katie.

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Speaker 3: Our college is at capacity, they can't train any more people.

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Speaker 3: actually get members in. But it's not just about that

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Speaker 3: as we focus before. It's about retaining that experienced members

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Speaker 3: and what are we doing and what are the government

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Speaker 1: Well, you know, these are the questions that people are asking.

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Speaker 1: These are the questions that we've been asking for quite

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Speaker 1: some time, and really the time has come for change

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Speaker 1: an appropriate way. So I'm pleased at this reviews underway.

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Speaker 1: We find out that we get the final result of

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Speaker 3: End of March, it's due to submission to the government,

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Speaker 3: going with this. It's hard to provide a number on

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Speaker 3: how many police office we are short, but our front

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Speaker 1: And that has been shown through the results of this

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Speaker 3: And only sixteen percent respondents are interested in going bush.

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Speaker 3: That shows that there's some serious issues out there and

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Speaker 3: the top, the top level issue of importance for their

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Speaker 3: But when they hear about the white eyes and everything

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Speaker 3: Would you want to take your family out there.

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Speaker 1: Well, you'd certainly be thinking long and hard about even

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Speaker 2: If you were a police officer.

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Speaker 3: I'd say you'll go out there married, but you won't

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Speaker 3: come back married. And that's that's that's the reality of

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Speaker 2: Yeah, what do you mad? So that just family's broken.

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Speaker 3: The pressures of them and the ours. They're working away

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's terrible, you know, that is terrible to hear.

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Speaker 1: Mate, how lock for those staff that are out at

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Speaker 2: The officers going out.

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Speaker 3: There, they are struggling, Cody, they're still officers down, they've

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Speaker 3: I and they're still relieving other remote stations. They haven't

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Speaker 3: got out there. And considering they're all locked in out

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Speaker 3: are still having the issues. We're still seeing cross fights

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Speaker 3: hasn't been fixed from before Christmas, and we raise that

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Speaker 3: We're making this all happen. We're making sure our members

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Speaker 3: are secured. It's still not fixed.

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Speaker 2: Have you've spoken to the police minister about that.

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Speaker 3: Yes, we've spoken to the police minister about that. He

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Speaker 3: But again I asked the question again yesterday to the government,

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Speaker 3: what's happening. Why isn't this taking so long? A member

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Speaker 3: of security not the priority of this government.

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Speaker 1: Finny, I want to move along to something that you

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Speaker 1: and I have spoken about on numerous occasions, and that's alcohol.

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Speaker 1: We know that there are going to be some changes

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Speaker 1: come into place where you have to show where you're

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Speaker 2: You've got to have it a permanent residence.

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Speaker 1: For example, your permanent residence is a public housing complex.

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Speaker 1: Even all of the Chief Minister had told us yesterday, well,

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Speaker 2: You're not supposed to be. What did the police make

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Speaker 2: of this change? Is it a good move?

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Speaker 3: They're good moves. Any restriction in relation to the alcohol

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Speaker 3: sales for the vulnerable people in the community is definitely

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Speaker 3: a positive for the Northern Territory Police. Again, it's only

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Speaker 3: as good as the questions that are being asked at

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Speaker 3: the point of sale. Knowing that Darwin hasn't got that

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Speaker 3: very hard to manage. Again, we're seeing that the huge

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Speaker 3: numbers of sales of liquor rising, always rising across the

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Speaker 3: with in across the community and it's related to take

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Speaker 2: Very quick one.

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Speaker 1: The opposition leader Lea Finocchiao said that if she's reelected,

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Speaker 1: she is going to reintroduce spit hoods in watch houses.

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Speaker 1: Do you think that that would be welcomed by police?

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Speaker 3: That would be definitely welcome, Catie. A number of our

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Speaker 3: This is something our members are being subject to. I've

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Speaker 3: you about it, and he's not interested in providing mandatory

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Speaker 3: he's not even going to consider that. Again, I asked, well,

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Speaker 3: why don't we have victims of crime compensation for a

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Speaker 3: from police many years ago. Because these members are getting assaulted. Unfortunately,

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Speaker 3: they're bearing the brunt of these assaults and the physical

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Speaker 3: this happens to members, you go, you weigh it up.

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Speaker 3: You go, is it really worthwhile the three months or

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Speaker 3: that impact it has on your family, your relationship with

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Speaker 3: Is it worth it? And for what? For doing a

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Speaker 1: Well, Finny, I tell you what, there's a lot of

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Speaker 1: you know, there is a lot of concern. I can

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Speaker 1: see that still from those survey results. I really appreciate

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Speaker 1: us this morning. No doubt we'll talk to you on

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Speaker 1: a very regular basis. I appreciate your time.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, Katie, and thank you to your listeners and

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Speaker 3: all the members are in blue out there. Keep up

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Speaker 3: the great work to fight for you and make sure

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Speaker 3: that you're looked after in the best place to serve

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Speaker 3: the committee.

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Speaker 2: Nathan Finn, we will catch up with you again very soon.