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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Outspoken. You're joined by journalists Sophie

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Speaker 1: Kate and Amy Torbough. Today we're going to talk about

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Speaker 1: the latest Katie Perry scandal and why you should always

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Speaker 1: be nice to other women in the workplace. But first,

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Speaker 1: soph and Kate, how's your week being I've actually taken

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Speaker 1: up knitting. I got the idea because I listened to

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Speaker 1: a podcast where my favorite lady Love just Into Franklin

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Speaker 1: was talking about how she was so sick of watching

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Speaker 1: football with Buddy and she was just constantly scrolling on

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Speaker 1: her phone. And my boyfriend watches a lot of football.

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Speaker 1: So I thought, oh, maybe I'll maybe I'll do that.

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Speaker 1: If it's good enough for Justinto, it's good enough for me.

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Speaker 1: And are you knitting him a football scarf? No, I'm

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Speaker 1: knitting myself a beautiful It's one of those balls of

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Speaker 1: wool that has the multicolors. I've just started off easy

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Speaker 1: and undoing it a scarf. I actually think that's so

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Speaker 1: sad and speaks to society now that because just Sin

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Speaker 1: to Franklin is studying knitting, you've started knitting. It's quite sad.

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Speaker 1: It was so cute, though, rang me up saying Oh,

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Speaker 1: when I was your age, I used to go home

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Speaker 1: and knit every night, and all my friends and I

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Speaker 1: used to do it. So maybe I'm just cool. I

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Speaker 1: don't think that's sad. But do you think you're a

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Speaker 1: wag now because you're knit in front of the footy? Well,

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Speaker 1: my boyfriend did win the Sea Grade goal kicking competition,

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Speaker 1: so maybe so that a wag for the Sea Greed

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Speaker 1: football team girl Broadview. This weekend they're playing their first

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Speaker 1: finals match, soo yes, no one cares. Sorry, good luck Brandon. Though, Well,

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Speaker 1: my week was pretty interesting. Oh well, it was full

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Speaker 1: of meetings and a lot of work, as you'd know,

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Speaker 1: SOF and I did have a little bit of an

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Speaker 1: awkward situation happened. I went to meet this person and

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Speaker 1: I didn't know them, I've never met them, and so

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Speaker 1: I of course went into for the handshake and he

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Speaker 1: went in for a hug. So I had this awkward

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Speaker 1: thing where I had my arm stretched out and then

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Speaker 1: I had to pretend like I wasn't stretching it out,

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Speaker 1: and he kind of acted the whole time as if

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Speaker 1: we knew one another, And I was thinking do I

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Speaker 1: because normally I'd say at the end of the meeting. Oh,

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Speaker 1: nice to meet you, but I had no idea who

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Speaker 1: this person was. To be fair to this guy, I

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Speaker 1: think I've actually met him before, so that might be

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Speaker 1: the reason he thinks he knows you. Perhaps. What about U, Kate,

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Speaker 1: how's your week been? Well? Today, my boyfriend left to

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Speaker 1: go to the Philippines for work, So I am a

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Speaker 1: dog sitting his Golden Retriever shadow at the moment. So

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Speaker 1: it's a bit of a test for me because I

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Speaker 1: want to get another Golden Retriever puppy, so I'm trying

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Speaker 1: to be really good with him. But I just before

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Speaker 1: was going to take him for a walk, and Sophi

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Speaker 1: lives near the beach, so I took him down to

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Speaker 1: Sov's house and he jumped at Sophie excitedly, and then

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Speaker 1: he came inside and then he pissed all over the

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Speaker 1: floor in Sophie and Brandon going to be a good

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Speaker 1: dog Auntie and taking him for a walk, and he

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Speaker 1: just disgraced himself. He was so excited to see you.

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Speaker 1: I've never seen him piss so much. So he also

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Speaker 1: almost took me out. He just ran up and charged

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Speaker 1: at me. Oh, he was just excited. But I feel

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Speaker 1: like I'm on a bit of a schedule because I've

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Speaker 1: got to go let him out for a wee in

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Speaker 1: about twenty minutes time and put him to bed. But

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Speaker 1: other than that, I found an excellent treat that's semi

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Speaker 1: guilt free because it's dark chocolate, and I seem to

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Speaker 1: think that that's way better than milk chocolate, even though

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Speaker 1: it's not. But it's those delicious lint balls. This is

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Speaker 1: not sponsored at all, but I probably downed about four

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Speaker 1: packets this week. I would highly recommend the grapefruit and orange.

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Speaker 1: And this is how sad we all are and how

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Speaker 1: influenced we are. We saw Chloe Zepp eating these. Oh

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Speaker 1: my god, I don't not they I found them. No,

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Speaker 1: they were at a dinner Reese's mum had them so well.

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Speaker 1: I saw them because Chloe Zepp was promod So just

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Speaker 1: some you are sad because you're following Chloe Zepp's lint

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Speaker 1: balls and Justinta Campbell's knitting. Yeah. I was going to

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Speaker 1: say this summer, we're pretty friggin influenced by these people

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Speaker 1: so well, Sofie, So thank you, thank you for introducing

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Speaker 1: us to them. Chloe ze looking forward to seeing how

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Speaker 1: your knitting turns out I'm guessing red and white di

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Speaker 1: scuff if just ententer knitting? Is anything to go bad?

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Speaker 1: When I'm done? Or share it for our listeners if

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Speaker 1: they're interested, Yeah, say put it on the Instagram story.

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Speaker 1: Maybe a progress shot. I will, I will. So moving

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Speaker 1: on to our first topic, Katy Perry is living anything

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Speaker 1: but a teenage dream right now. The thirty four year

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Speaker 1: old singer is facing disturbing allegations that threaten to tarnish

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Speaker 1: her image. A male model in Perry's Teenage Dream film

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Speaker 1: clip has accused her of sexual harassment, saying she exposed

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Speaker 1: his genitals to a room full of people at a party.

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Speaker 1: The claims have sent shock waves through the entertainment world,

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Speaker 1: with many questioning if their agender double standards in a

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Speaker 1: post me to age. So, what happens when a famous

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Speaker 1: woman is accused of sexual misconduct that we've been taught

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Speaker 1: to expect from powerful men? Katie Perry looks set to

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Speaker 1: find out For those who don't know, Sophie, can you

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Speaker 1: talk us through the allegations? So? A few days ago,

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Speaker 1: a model called Josh Kloss, who appeared in Katy Perry's

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Speaker 1: film clip as her boyfriend, back in twenty ten, came

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Speaker 1: out and made these allegations on Instagram. It was actually

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Speaker 1: on the ninth anniversary of the film clip airing, and

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Speaker 1: Kloss took to Instagram to share his story about his

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Speaker 1: time on set with Katie Perry. Is an doesn't say?

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Speaker 1: Is there any relation to Carlie Cloths. I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I have no idea. Actually, maybe it's just a popular

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Speaker 1: name but for models. He started off by saying that

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Speaker 1: she was very cool and kind and that when other people,

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Speaker 1: but when other people are around, she was cold as ice.

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Speaker 1: And he claimed that during the filming she told she

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Speaker 1: she was white. He claimed that during filming she told

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Speaker 1: the entire set that the act of kissing him was gross.

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Speaker 1: He also alleges that she later invited him to a

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Speaker 1: Santa Barbara strip club, but he turned down the offer,

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Speaker 1: so two years later, he met up with her at

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Speaker 1: a birthday party for one of the Katy Perry's directors.

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Speaker 1: He said he was quite happy to see her and

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Speaker 1: they hugged, and then he went to introduce her to

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Speaker 1: one of his friends, and as he did, she pulled

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Speaker 1: she could to show a couple of the guys that

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Speaker 1: were her friends there as well and the crowd around

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Speaker 1: him his genitals, and he went on to say, can

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Speaker 1: you imagine how pathetic and embarrassed I felt. He went

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Speaker 1: on to say that her and he made six hundred

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Speaker 1: and fifty dollars from being involved in the film clip,

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Speaker 1: so you can already see that there's a bit of

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Speaker 1: a power imbalance between the pair. He finished the post

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Speaker 1: by saying, so happy anniversary to one of the most confusing, assaulting,

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Speaker 1: and belittling jobs I've ever done. So it is important

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Speaker 1: to say that there's already one person who's jumped to

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Speaker 1: Katy Perry's defense, and that was the director who's party

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Speaker 1: the alleged incident occurred at. He hit out saying, this

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Speaker 1: is such bullshit. Katie would never do something like that.

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Speaker 1: But we are still yet to hear from Katie Perry herself,

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Speaker 1: so it's going to be interesting to see what she

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Speaker 1: has to say about the whole incident. It's also not

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Speaker 1: the first time Katie has come under fire. After Kloss

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Speaker 1: and said that Perry once approached her while she was

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Speaker 1: allegedly intoxicated an event and attempted to kiss her without

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Speaker 1: her consent. And so I wasn't there at that time

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Speaker 1: that he had never been kissed and then she sort

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Speaker 1: of forced him into a kiss. Yeah, that's right. He

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Speaker 1: was only nineteen years old when he auditioned. He'd said

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Speaker 1: and if she had approached him and said can I

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Speaker 1: have a kiss, he would have turned her down. In

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Speaker 1: twenty seventeen, she also allegedly groped Sean Mendez when he

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Speaker 1: not the first time we've heard things like this about

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Speaker 1: Katy Perry, but from what I read, there's been a

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Speaker 1: lot of backlash about how the media has covered these incidents.

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Speaker 1: I read a recent article and it was basically saying

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Speaker 1: that if Katy Perry was a man, things would be

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Speaker 1: a lot different in terms of how this story has

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Speaker 1: been reported. But I just think that's a load of crap.

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Speaker 1: I mean, the whole issue is being a feminist. We're

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Speaker 1: copying a bit of crap and a bit of heat

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Speaker 1: over this Katy Perry incident. But the thing is, I

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Speaker 1: think if Katy Perry's done the wrong thing, then she

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Speaker 1: she should be held accountable for her actions. But this

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Speaker 1: This is another situation where there is a power imbalance,

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Speaker 1: and it happens to be that Katie, who is a woman,

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Speaker 1: used to having men be in these power positions. But now,

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Speaker 1: as sort of Hollywood evolves, we are actually seeing incidents

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Speaker 1: It seems it kind of pisses me off a little bit.

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Speaker 1: I agree with you because it kind of reminds me

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Speaker 1: of Taylor Swift. She's always dragged down with these ridiculous

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Speaker 1: is known for her cheeky personality. I mean, yes, if

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Speaker 1: it's too far. But a lot of the most sneaky kisses.

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Speaker 1: I mean, she's in the film clip kissing him. He

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Speaker 1: said he has a crush on her. These are sneaky

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Speaker 1: kisses without the people's consent. Who wouldn't want to kiss

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Speaker 1: Katie Peppy? But that's what people have a problem with,

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Speaker 1: That is exactly. I read a great piece in The

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Speaker 1: Independent about this exact topic, and they were talking about

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Speaker 1: why as feminists we need to start taking these issues seriously.

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Speaker 1: Up until this point, many media outlets have brushed Perry's

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Speaker 1: past actions off as part of her quirky person Sorry,

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Speaker 1: what did she even do? She tried to kiss him, No,

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Speaker 1: she didn't try and kiss him. She tries to expose

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Speaker 1: She exposed his genitals allegedly in front of her hoof.

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Speaker 1: I've just looked at his Instagram and he does that

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Speaker 1: quite often on there. I think that's so you've got

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Speaker 1: to be careful when you say those kind of things,

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Speaker 1: because that's a little bit of victim blaming. If this

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Speaker 1: incident did occur, I mean, we have to also say

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Speaker 1: that these are actually very serious allegations, and after coming

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Speaker 1: forward with his experienced class, has been harassed, blamed, and

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Speaker 1: accused of lying by Perry's fans on social media. He's

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Speaker 1: an alleged victim of sexual assault. He waited nine years

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Speaker 1: to tell his story because he was fearful of coming

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Speaker 1: out against such a powerful woman who could end his career.

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Speaker 1: And it is interesting that he has chosen to share

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Speaker 1: his story nine years on, and especially when we're in

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Speaker 1: this post me Too movement, it will be interesting. I

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Speaker 1: supposed to see if there are any other men that

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Speaker 1: come forward. Look, I understand what you're saying, and I

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Speaker 1: was joking around a little bit about people wanted to

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Speaker 1: sort of slammed back at women, as in, oh, here's

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Speaker 1: quick learner kiss. Oh that was a genuine all from me.

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Speaker 1: So the two looked incredibly cozy. They were both wearing

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Speaker 1: pajamas on a South African get pajamas. They weren't matching.

431
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Speaker 1: They were not ones easy, so the Internet would have

432
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Speaker 1: been in a meltdown. Man. If they were matching, Eltonet

433
00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:12,040
Speaker 1: would have died, so did back to dialog. Anyway back

434
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Speaker 1: in November, Emma also posted a cute video of the

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Speaker 1: duo skateboarding on California's Venice Beach, while she also shared

436
00:21:18,960 --> 00:21:22,000
Speaker 1: while also showing her support for Tom's latest TV project

437
00:21:22,040 --> 00:21:24,959
Speaker 1: at the time. So the Instagram photo left many fans

438
00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:27,960
Speaker 1: with so many unanswered questions. What are they doing in

439
00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:31,080
Speaker 1: South Africa together? How comfortable are they around each other

440
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Speaker 1: that they're in pajamas and who well, I think it's

441
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Speaker 1: fairly obvious what they'd been doing in South Africa in

442
00:21:36,680 --> 00:21:40,760
Speaker 1: their pajamas. It is kind of cute though, because in

443
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Speaker 1: two thousand and eleven Emma admitted that, in all seriousness,

444
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Speaker 1: I thought that was quite good news. I would like

445
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Speaker 1: to see Emma Watson with Tom Felton. And apparently, according

446
00:21:53,160 --> 00:21:58,800
Speaker 1: to Sophie, who seems very invested in apparently, Emma Watson

447
00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:02,200
Speaker 1: revealed she did have a crushed on Tom Felton during filming.

448
00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:07,840
Speaker 1: But it's well known that Tom actually dated his on

449
00:22:08,040 --> 00:22:11,920
Speaker 1: screen wife Jade Olivia for seven years. So maybe now

450
00:22:11,920 --> 00:22:15,399
Speaker 1: that they've split up, now it's open to on screen

451
00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:18,719
Speaker 1: what well in the Harry Potter movie and the Dely

452
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Speaker 1: Hellos movie. What was her name, I'm not sure, but

453
00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:25,679
Speaker 1: it's Jade's Jade Olivia. And it's kind of funny because

454
00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:27,440
Speaker 1: a lot of the I mean, I'm a tragic Harry

455
00:22:27,440 --> 00:22:29,679
Speaker 1: Potter fan, so obviously that's what my interest in this

456
00:22:29,760 --> 00:22:32,880
Speaker 1: story lies. But there is a fandom who have been

457
00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:35,920
Speaker 1: for years wishing that this could happen. So they've called it.

458
00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:39,919
Speaker 1: They've called the couple Dramoni and they've created these artwork

459
00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:44,760
Speaker 1: and fantasies about this. That is so sad much of

460
00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:47,800
Speaker 1: you actually cared so much about it? All right? Moving

461
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Speaker 1: on Exclusive maths. Cyrel and Love Island's Eden are pregnant

462
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Speaker 1: with their first baby. That's from New Idea. Well, I'm

463
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Speaker 1: just gonna say, when this popped up on my newsfeed,

464
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Speaker 1: I think it was real. What the fuck moment? I

465
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Speaker 1: got it from so who'd sent it to me? I

466
00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:03,720
Speaker 1: also got it from my manager at work. I think

467
00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:06,920
Speaker 1: that is the oddest Cadamn mum and mum shout out

468
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Speaker 1: to mum. So It's been described as the most controversial

469
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Speaker 1: reality TV crossover. The news came in an exclusive photo

470
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Speaker 1: shoot an interview with New Ideas, showing off Cyrel's baby

471
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Speaker 1: bump and a picture of the ultrasound. What fans had

472
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Speaker 1: the biggest problem with was Cyrel posted one of the

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Speaker 1: images from a New Idea onto her own Instagram and

474
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Speaker 1: she captioned it, when you get paid two k to

475
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Speaker 1: have a baby, I'm sorry, two thousand dollars to be

476
00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:34,800
Speaker 1: a New Idea. It's not even that much. I wouldn't

477
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Speaker 1: be bragging about it. The reason she made this common

478
00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:40,000
Speaker 1: is because she's trying to be sarcastic in reference the

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Speaker 1: fact that people have questioned her relationship with Eden and

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Speaker 1: calling it a publicity stunt. And this comes off the

481
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Speaker 1: back of last week's article by a New Idea as well,

482
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Speaker 1: and Jessica Power came out and said that she one

483
00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:55,960
Speaker 1: hundred percent thinks that their relationship is fake because after filming,

484
00:23:56,160 --> 00:23:58,600
Speaker 1: Eden actually approached her and asked her to be in

485
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Speaker 1: a fake relationship with him, and because she was trying

486
00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:04,000
Speaker 1: to work things out with Dan at the time, she

487
00:24:04,040 --> 00:24:06,320
Speaker 1: said she wasn't interested in it. Gee, I'd really be

488
00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:09,439
Speaker 1: taking jess Powell's comments seriously. She is the one that

489
00:24:09,560 --> 00:24:12,080
Speaker 1: is always out there trying to get media attention over everything.

490
00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:14,560
Speaker 1: And was she not involved in the wine throwing incident

491
00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:17,520
Speaker 1: as well? I know sy rellan it was Cyrell and Martha,

492
00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:21,480
Speaker 1: but aren't they all again? Martha and Martha and Jessica

493
00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:23,760
Speaker 1: were friends, but I don't think they are anymore. Well,

494
00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:25,960
Speaker 1: back to that point that you just made kay about

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00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:29,600
Speaker 1: trusting what jess from Math says, she's the one who's

496
00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:32,840
Speaker 1: been spotted with I can't even remember his name, the

497
00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:35,679
Speaker 1: guy who married one of the twins on Married at

498
00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:38,160
Speaker 1: First Sight. Apparently they're going out and she's always out

499
00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:40,240
Speaker 1: holding her belly in front of the paps that have

500
00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:42,240
Speaker 1: just randomly caught her on the Gold Coast, and she

501
00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:44,320
Speaker 1: was also meant to be going out with telve when

502
00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:47,760
Speaker 1: she was going out with Dan, and there's been someone

503
00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:50,280
Speaker 1: else she's been spotted with, so we meant to believe

504
00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:53,639
Speaker 1: that those people also have come up to her and

505
00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:56,160
Speaker 1: asked her to be in these fake relationships with publicity.

506
00:24:56,160 --> 00:25:00,439
Speaker 1: How friggin sad is that, Well, let's be honest, clearly

507
00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:03,200
Speaker 1: not fake because they're pregnant, so there's clearly something that's

508
00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:06,000
Speaker 1: gone on that's real. What was interesting because Aaron has

509
00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:08,679
Speaker 1: actually come out since the news broke, has broken off

510
00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:12,000
Speaker 1: the pregnancy, and she's slammed her ex boyfriend because he

511
00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:15,760
Speaker 1: publicly discussed her fertility struggles as well as Cyrel's partner's

512
00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:18,000
Speaker 1: struggles on the show because obviously he spoke about the

513
00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:20,640
Speaker 1: fact that he had testicular cancer. So when I thought

514
00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:22,920
Speaker 1: it was in pretty bad taste that in an article

515
00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:24,920
Speaker 1: that's supposed to be about their news that they had

516
00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:27,520
Speaker 1: to even reference their exes to begin with, kind of

517
00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:29,640
Speaker 1: shows you how fame hungry they are though the fact

518
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Speaker 1: they've got a You know, this is meant to be

519
00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:36,000
Speaker 1: an announcement about a very happy event, obviously having a baby.

520
00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:39,160
Speaker 1: But here they are taking jibes at jests from married

521
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Speaker 1: at First Sight saying they've got paid two thousand and

522
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Speaker 1: then they're making digs at their partners. Why not just

523
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Speaker 1: celebrate the news happily. Well, I thought it was very

524
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Speaker 1: low brow because in the article she mentioned, she said

525
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Speaker 1: I've got nothing against abortion, but I don't have the

526
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Speaker 1: strength to have an abortion because the pregnancy was unplanned.

527
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Speaker 1: And I just thought, why would you say that? If

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Speaker 1: you were that kid reading that in twenty years time,

529
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Speaker 1: how are you going to feel about that? I just

530
00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:04,439
Speaker 1: don't get why you don't just say we're very happy,

531
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Speaker 1: you know. Why does she have to even mention that

532
00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:08,240
Speaker 1: she can sit in an abortion. I just find it

533
00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:11,480
Speaker 1: all very old. All these very tacky photos where they've

534
00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:13,919
Speaker 1: mopped up the two of them being on Love Island,

535
00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:18,120
Speaker 1: so serious, lying pregnant on this Lilo chair while he's

536
00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:21,600
Speaker 1: feeding her grapes. It's just absolutely appalling. They look such

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Speaker 1: an odd couple as well. Well. I just think thank

538
00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:26,919
Speaker 1: goodness that she found someone, because I was pretty worried

539
00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:30,479
Speaker 1: after those seeds of her going absolutely chropo when MAVs

540
00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:33,240
Speaker 1: got I wonder what a brother thinks about eat and

541
00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:35,800
Speaker 1: knocking her up. It will be definitely interesting to see

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00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:37,959
Speaker 1: how long the two stay together as well, as long

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00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:39,639
Speaker 1: as she doesn't yell on the food in front of

544
00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:42,359
Speaker 1: the food, I think we're all good. Don't swear in

545
00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:47,320
Speaker 1: front of the foot I'm selfish. I'm selfish in front

546
00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:54,119
Speaker 1: of the food. So moving on to the next article,

547
00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:57,040
Speaker 1: it's entitled mother thinks her fourteen year old daughter needs

548
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Speaker 1: plastic surgery and that's from kiss and so basically what

549
00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:04,000
Speaker 1: happened was ex model Carla appeared on Kyl and Jackio's

550
00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:08,040
Speaker 1: Right or Wrong segment and she was boasting about her

551
00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:11,600
Speaker 1: plans to give her fourteen year old daughter plastic surgery

552
00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:14,480
Speaker 1: in the hopes that she becomes a reality television star.

553
00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:17,439
Speaker 1: What an age we live in. It was quite disgusting

554
00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:20,040
Speaker 1: the comments she made. She said that ugly people get

555
00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:23,120
Speaker 1: nowhere these days, and she said that when her daughter

556
00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:27,560
Speaker 1: turns sixteen, she's already saving up money for breasting plants, veneers,

557
00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:31,760
Speaker 1: a Brazilian butt lift, botox, and lip fillers. Gosh, that

558
00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:34,720
Speaker 1: annoys me. Ugly people get nowhere. No, small minded people

559
00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:37,800
Speaker 1: that obsess over their appearance probably get nowhere. I love

560
00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:41,119
Speaker 1: the how she thinks it's a aspiration to be a

561
00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:44,560
Speaker 1: reality TV star. How doesn't that Isn't that what's wrong

562
00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:46,640
Speaker 1: with society these days? I mean, she said her daughter

563
00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:48,960
Speaker 1: was struggling at school, so she wants to put all

564
00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:52,000
Speaker 1: the emphasis on her appearance. Why not put more emphasis

565
00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:54,720
Speaker 1: on what she's studying at school. I feel like saying,

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00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:56,399
Speaker 1: as well, you don't need to be a glamozon to

567
00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:58,360
Speaker 1: be on reality TV. You just need to be kind

568
00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:01,239
Speaker 1: of odd looking for the producers to pee, because I

569
00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:04,480
Speaker 1: swear they pick people purposely so people make themes about them.

570
00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:07,000
Speaker 1: I swear isn't just so sad though, because I mean,

571
00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:10,040
Speaker 1: you look at these reality TV stars who turn into

572
00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:14,680
Speaker 1: and influences, and it's so sad that children these days

573
00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:17,080
Speaker 1: are just aspiring to be attractive so they can sit

574
00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:19,160
Speaker 1: around in a house and do nothing and get paid

575
00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:21,639
Speaker 1: big bucks. You know what. I'm not surprised though, because

576
00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:24,399
Speaker 1: if you do watch a lot of especially some of

577
00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:27,480
Speaker 1: the new influencers, they are all a certain breed. They're

578
00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:31,080
Speaker 1: and I'm not having a go at anyone here because

579
00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:33,840
Speaker 1: I love watching vlogs and all of that, but there

580
00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:36,200
Speaker 1: does tend to be the sort of person who does

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00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:42,120
Speaker 1: well on YouTube, and that is a rich, white, blonde

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00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:45,520
Speaker 1: head private school girl who's been given everything in life,

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00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:50,400
Speaker 1: who has you know, ten Dermologica products that she's you know,

584
00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:52,840
Speaker 1: and makes everyone feel bad because this is my fancy

585
00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:54,880
Speaker 1: routine and this is what I do that tends to

586
00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:57,600
Speaker 1: do well on Instagram. Sorry, that tends to do well

587
00:28:57,640 --> 00:29:00,360
Speaker 1: on YouTube, And unfortunately that's what kids are aspiring because

588
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:02,720
Speaker 1: I think, oh my god, if I get popular on YouTube,

589
00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:05,280
Speaker 1: then I can sit around all day getting all of

590
00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:08,440
Speaker 1: this money and buying expensive cars and having holidays for

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00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:11,040
Speaker 1: doing nothing. Is this woman being realistic? Though this girl

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00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:14,280
Speaker 1: is fourteen, even if being a reality TV star is

593
00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:17,680
Speaker 1: her aspiration now was to say that influences in ten

594
00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:20,120
Speaker 1: years time, when this girl's probably the appropriate age to

595
00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:23,840
Speaker 1: enter into something like this, they probably won't exist anymore. Also,

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00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:25,840
Speaker 1: at fourteen, how do they know what she's going to

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00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:28,880
Speaker 1: look like at eighteen or at twenty five. I mean,

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00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:32,120
Speaker 1: I know I looked like a bloody thumb when I

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00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:35,280
Speaker 1: was fourteen. Not saying I'm great now, but you know everyone,

600
00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:37,640
Speaker 1: everyone grows up a little bit. She could be an

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00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:39,320
Speaker 1: How do they know her bum's not going to be bit?

602
00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:41,280
Speaker 1: She doesn't know how many squads she's gonna be doing.

603
00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:44,320
Speaker 1: Your boobs haven't grown in, so why did they assess

604
00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:48,200
Speaker 1: them first? Even your facial features haven't developed properly at fourteen.

605
00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:52,120
Speaker 1: So I think it's incredibly irresponsible and disgusting that this

606
00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:54,560
Speaker 1: mother is encouraging this. It's just going to give that

607
00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:58,440
Speaker 1: poor girl body dysmorphia as well or an eating disorder.

608
00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:02,240
Speaker 1: Let's just hope that someone steps and stops this absolute ridiculousness.

609
00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:06,680
Speaker 1: So the final headline is look at this please. The

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00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:09,000
Speaker 1: Kath and Kim House is open to the public from

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Speaker 1: ten daily. I know this one particularly interests you, Sophie

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00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:14,080
Speaker 1: and Amy, because you've both been getting back into Kath

613
00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:16,800
Speaker 1: and Kim on Netflix. I have been binge watching Kath

614
00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:18,840
Speaker 1: and Kim. It's my happy place at the moment. I

615
00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:21,360
Speaker 1: find it so relaxing. It was so funny. I got

616
00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:24,280
Speaker 1: sent a snapchat from SOA's boyfriend Brandon of Kim and

617
00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:26,880
Speaker 1: Kel dancing, and he just had made his day. It

618
00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:29,680
Speaker 1: was bloody hilarious. My favorite bit was the other week

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Speaker 1: after our podcast discussion on strippers, there was the episode

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00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:37,400
Speaker 1: where Kath and Kell have their Bucks parties and it

621
00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:39,640
Speaker 1: was so funny, you guys are gotta go check it out.

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00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:43,160
Speaker 1: It was basically Kath was encouraging Kel to get the

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00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:45,760
Speaker 1: full work. She wanted him to have strippers and she

624
00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:48,400
Speaker 1: wanted him to just get absolutely drunk. Anyway, it was

625
00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:51,560
Speaker 1: quite contradictory to what we were saying. Well, going into

626
00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:53,960
Speaker 1: the story, the iconic house is open to the public

627
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:58,040
Speaker 1: for one day before it undergoes renovations. It's interesting because

628
00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:01,000
Speaker 1: in twenty sixteen the property was put on the market

629
00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:04,320
Speaker 1: and it's sold for one point four eight five million dollars,

630
00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:06,840
Speaker 1: and leading up to the auction, ninety five percent of

631
00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:08,760
Speaker 1: the people who were lining up at the front were

632
00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:11,840
Speaker 1: purely there to take selfies. It is that how much

633
00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:13,920
Speaker 1: house prices generally are in that area. Is it just

634
00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:15,960
Speaker 1: because it's kathin Kim. I think it's the Kath and

635
00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:19,320
Speaker 1: Kim effect. I mean, you look at neighbors. We went

636
00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:21,240
Speaker 1: on the Neighbors tour back in the day, and all

637
00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:24,080
Speaker 1: of those houses the price went up because it was

638
00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:26,640
Speaker 1: associated with Ramsey Street. That's a bit different because they

639
00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:29,400
Speaker 1: still film for the show. Yeah, well, according to this

640
00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:32,040
Speaker 1: article that that was the factor in this house being

641
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Speaker 1: priced so high. It's a very modest townhouse. Is there

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Speaker 1: other other rooms to say, do you know? Yeah? Well, so,

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Speaker 1: the reason the current owner has decided to let fans

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Speaker 1: in for some final photos is to raise money because

645
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Speaker 1: sadly her husband died of brain cancer. So they're actually

646
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Speaker 1: charging people five dollars to go in and all the

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Speaker 1: money raised is going for Carrie's being for brain cancer.

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Speaker 1: So she said that not much has actually changed at

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Speaker 1: the property over the last few years. The famous kitchen

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Speaker 1: tiles and the living room with the five place are

651
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Speaker 1: a good room. Yeah, the good room. The good rooms

652
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Speaker 1: are same. Well, let's celebrate with some footy franks. Look

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Speaker 1: the look, the look, the look at my Now moving on,

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Speaker 1: we wanted to discuss who we're all loving on social

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Speaker 1: media at the moment, to give you an idea of

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Speaker 1: who we're following, and maybe some recommendation of some YouTuber's

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Speaker 1: content that is just either funny or quite cringe that

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Speaker 1: we would recommend watching. Okay, Well, to start off, I

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Speaker 1: have been absolutely loving Michael Finch's content on YouTube. He

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Speaker 1: seems to have upped his game and he seems like

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Speaker 1: he's a lot healthier and happier. He did a great

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00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:39,280
Speaker 1: vlog where he spilt the tea on guys that have

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Speaker 1: messed him around, and I was just absolutely hooked onto it.

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Speaker 1: And another guilty pleasure that Sofa and I have been

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Speaker 1: watching is Steve Cook, and he's best known for his

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Speaker 1: affiliation with Jim Shark. So If and I both loved

667
00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:53,360
Speaker 1: his morning routine and so If, now you've got your

668
00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:56,440
Speaker 1: boyfriend hooked on Steve Cook's content. He's so cute. He's

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Speaker 1: said that he now wants to get up an hour

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Speaker 1: earlier and cook his eggs like Steve Cook. What about u? K?

671
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Speaker 1: Who have you been watching? Well? I always love watching

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Speaker 1: Laura Henshaw and Steph Klesmer, so they're obviously my top

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Speaker 1: two favorites. But Sarah's day is another one. I know

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Speaker 1: we all froth her, but she hasn't been putting out

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Speaker 1: as many videos, which is totally fine because she is

676
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Speaker 1: now a mum. But she put out a really good

677
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Speaker 1: clothing hole this week, so props to her. And I

678
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:27,000
Speaker 1: also loved her podcast this week about embarrassing moments about

679
00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:30,600
Speaker 1: farting in front of her boyfriend and doing poos. I

680
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Speaker 1: just love that sort of stuff. It was hilarious. I

681
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Speaker 1: also have to recommend for our listeners you have to

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Speaker 1: get on to Jonathan Sawyer and Madison Woolly. People will

683
00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:45,760
Speaker 1: know Jonathan from having previously dated huge influencer Shanni grimmand

684
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Speaker 1: he was always sort of like her little hot handbag.

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Speaker 1: And now Jonathan's moved on to be in a relationship

686
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Speaker 1: with Madison Wooley, who's another influencer, And oh my god,

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00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:59,000
Speaker 1: they keep posting mook bungs little shopping trips to Target

688
00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:01,360
Speaker 1: and I don't know, that's just my guilty pleasure. It's

689
00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:03,400
Speaker 1: so funny. I actually had left it on when my

690
00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:05,560
Speaker 1: boyfriend Dale came over to the house and he had

691
00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:07,440
Speaker 1: to turn it off. He said he just cannot stand

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Speaker 1: watching it. It's just so myn numbing. But I find

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Speaker 1: it's so relaxing. I absolutely love it. It just relaxes

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Speaker 1: me so much as well. And it's like a guilty

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00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:19,600
Speaker 1: pleasure because you're cringing at it. It's just so cringe

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00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:22,719
Speaker 1: but then you can't stop watching. I just he just

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00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:26,279
Speaker 1: talks to the camera in such a awkward way, but

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Speaker 1: I'm laughing. It good on him. Good on him for

699
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Speaker 1: giving it a go, and please can you start releasing

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Speaker 1: more because I am addicted And moving on to our

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Speaker 1: last topic. During this month's Roger Cup finals, Serena Williams

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Speaker 1: and Bianca Ondresco led us through a masterclass in women

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Speaker 1: supporting women through their toughest moment. Serena tearfully withdrew from

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Speaker 1: the women's final four games in due to an upper

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Speaker 1: back injury. Whilst the four foot meant hometown favorite Bianca

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Speaker 1: had won the Rogers Cup, the nineteen year old didn't

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Speaker 1: take the moment to relish her victory. Instead, she leapt

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Speaker 1: from her chair to give her a pone and a hug,

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Speaker 1: told her she was her idol and sympathized about her

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Speaker 1: ongoing injuries. What can women take away from this special

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Speaker 1: tennis moment? Amy Well, I think this moment has been

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Speaker 1: much talked about because it is quite rare, especially on

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Speaker 1: the women's tennis circuit, to see women reacting to one

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Speaker 1: another like that. I loved seeing. I personally am a

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Speaker 1: huge tennis fan, so I thought it was great to

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Speaker 1: see and a big step forward for women on the

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Speaker 1: tour to act like that. But also I think what

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Speaker 1: people loved about. It was women supporting one another, and

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Speaker 1: this is what we've talked about a lot in our podcast.

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Speaker 1: If people could take a leaf out of Bianca's book

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Speaker 1: and support other women in their careers like she did

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Speaker 1: with Serena Williams, I think the working world for women

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Speaker 1: would be a much better place. I don't know if

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Speaker 1: it caught me in an emotional moment or what, but

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Speaker 1: I watched back the video today I always got a

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Speaker 1: bit teary. I know that sounds so lame when you

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Speaker 1: were knitting, but I just thought it was so nice

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Speaker 1: because so often Serena Williams is depicted in this awful light,

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Speaker 1: and it was really nice to see this softer side

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Speaker 1: of her and also this beautiful side of bi Anchor.

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Speaker 1: I mean, a lot of women who were nineteen probably

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Speaker 1: wouldn't have the maturity to come up and you know,

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Speaker 1: actually give her a hagin see if she was okay.

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Speaker 1: They'd be relishing in that moment. Hopefully Serena Williams can

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Speaker 1: learn from this act of great sportsmanship, because we remember

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Speaker 1: recently that she was involved. There was some few umpiring

737
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Speaker 1: decisions that didn't go her way, and Naomi Osaka ended

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Speaker 1: up winning the US Open, and there was a lot

739
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Speaker 1: of outpour about how what a bad sports Areena Williams is.

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Speaker 1: So hopefully this is moving on the right track to

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Speaker 1: getting some better support in the women's tennis game. It

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Speaker 1: would be really nice if this trend could continue, because

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Speaker 1: I know we've all been there. I've felt at different

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Speaker 1: jobs that women haven't had my back. I've felt back

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00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:47,439
Speaker 1: stabbed by them. And you know, in my last job,

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Speaker 1: my two best friends were males and there were a

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Speaker 1: lot of females there. But so when I first arrived

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Speaker 1: in that job, it was my first day and rather

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00:36:57,400 --> 00:37:00,160
Speaker 1: than taking me out to lunch, they all decided to

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Speaker 1: go get lunch without me. And then this continued into

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00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:05,600
Speaker 1: a trend where I wasn't invited to lunch because I

752
00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:09,880
Speaker 1: wasn't in their department. So it can get really bitchy,

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00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:12,240
Speaker 1: and I don't understand it. We're all the same age.

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00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:14,080
Speaker 1: It just reminded me of being high school. I think

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00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:17,200
Speaker 1: it can get very clique. I worked in an all

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Speaker 1: female environment a couple of years ago. I was in

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00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:22,359
Speaker 1: that environment where there were new people coming in, new

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00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:26,040
Speaker 1: interns every week, and if you weren't part of that

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00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:29,640
Speaker 1: click straight away you were just left out. Well, I

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00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:32,040
Speaker 1: have experienced the worst of it. I did have an

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Speaker 1: incident where someone who I thought was my best friend

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Speaker 1: actually backstabbed me and really got me in a lot

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Speaker 1: of trouble for nothing, And it really did hurt because

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Speaker 1: I thought she was a good friend of mine and

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00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:48,799
Speaker 1: there was really no explanation of her actions. And so

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Speaker 1: it's always made me really mindful of how I treat

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Speaker 1: other women, and thankfully, in more recent times, I've been

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Speaker 1: shown by a lot of senior women who were in

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Speaker 1: power positions of how you actually meant to treat women

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Speaker 1: in the industry. For anyone who is starting off in

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Speaker 1: a new job they've just left UNI. The best advice

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Speaker 1: I can give any female or male out there is

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00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:09,719
Speaker 1: to treat everyone the way that you would like to

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Speaker 1: be treated, regardless of whether it's the most important person

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00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:16,399
Speaker 1: in the workplace or if it's the cleaner. You've got

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00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:17,800
Speaker 1: to treat everyone the way that you would like to

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Speaker 1: be treated. And that's something that I've always tried to

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Speaker 1: do my whole career. And I'm not saying that you

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00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:24,400
Speaker 1: should just do things to get something out of it,

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00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:26,600
Speaker 1: but I've found along the way that it's usually the

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Speaker 1: people who are coming in his interns or the people

782
00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:31,319
Speaker 1: who are lower than you will perceived as lower in

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00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:32,960
Speaker 1: the job than you, that are actually going to help

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Speaker 1: you in the long run. Those younger people are the

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00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:37,640
Speaker 1: ones who are going to get the next high up job.

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Speaker 1: I've been in a situation where I worked at my

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00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:43,080
Speaker 1: previous work where a lot of the interns coming in,

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00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:45,160
Speaker 1: a lot of some people didn't have time for them,

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00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:46,920
Speaker 1: but I made sure to speak to everyone and make

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00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:50,160
Speaker 1: everyone feel welcome, try and give everyone something new in

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00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:52,360
Speaker 1: their journey. And now it's come back to my business

792
00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:55,280
Speaker 1: where they're all in the workforce now and they're coming

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00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:57,279
Speaker 1: to me and wanting to work with me again. So

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Speaker 1: it's really nice. And I also think don't judge people

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00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:02,960
Speaker 1: when you first meet them. I met one of my

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00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:06,399
Speaker 1: best friends at work and he was a forty year

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00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:08,440
Speaker 1: old man who I never thought that I would get

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00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:11,919
Speaker 1: along with, and we clicked instantly, and he quickly became

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Speaker 1: one of my best friends and confidence and confidants. So

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Speaker 1: you never know where a friendship is going to blossom.

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00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:21,400
Speaker 1: And some of the best friendships are with people that

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00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:23,920
Speaker 1: aren't the same age as you. You know, I've got

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00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:26,760
Speaker 1: some great friends from my first job who were twenty

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00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:28,880
Speaker 1: years young older than me, and I still catch up

805
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:31,080
Speaker 1: with them all the time and they're like family. So

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00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:35,160
Speaker 1: I think be welcoming to everyone have each other's back.

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00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:38,319
Speaker 1: Everyone's in a situation where they're all trying to do

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00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:41,320
Speaker 1: their best effort and you're not going to get anywhere

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00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:43,319
Speaker 1: by stabbing people in the back. And I think a

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00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:46,880
Speaker 1: lot of this narkiness comes out because some workforces are

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00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:51,720
Speaker 1: such competitive environments. I actually worked somewhere where it's awful

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00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:54,439
Speaker 1: to say, but you had to look a certain way

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00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:58,560
Speaker 1: to be employed, and I was asked to have a

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Speaker 1: meeting with someone to see what they looked like because

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00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:04,680
Speaker 1: we couldn't find them online, and it just went against

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00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:08,160
Speaker 1: all of my being. So when I was asked what

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00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:10,480
Speaker 1: the girl looked like, I just didn't give a response,

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00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:12,960
Speaker 1: and I said, she's very intelligent and the right person

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Speaker 1: for the job. So it's quite appalling what is still

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00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:19,480
Speaker 1: happening in the workforce. That's pretty disappointing. It's also interesting

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Speaker 1: that these people put themselves on a pedestal that they are.

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Speaker 1: They deem themselves attractive enough to judge others well. I

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00:40:26,120 --> 00:40:28,439
Speaker 1: felt so uncomfortable because what am I supposed to say

824
00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:31,880
Speaker 1: in this scenario. Yes, the girl was attractive, but I

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00:40:32,040 --> 00:40:34,520
Speaker 1: don't think that that's any value to a work force.

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Speaker 1: It's quite interesting because when in my first job, we

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Speaker 1: had to look up the people that had applied, and

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Speaker 1: some of the girls in the office we kind of

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Speaker 1: were a little bit threatened if they were good looking people.

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Speaker 1: It's quite funny that the opposite was happening at your office.

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Speaker 1: I actually think it's really good that you didn't engage

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00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:52,560
Speaker 1: with that kind of ideology and you actually said, oh, yeah,

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00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:54,960
Speaker 1: she's really smart, she's that because that's really good. I

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Speaker 1: think in order for there to be changed in the workplace,

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Speaker 1: people need to call people out what was really appalling.

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Speaker 1: At one stage this place did take on some girls

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Speaker 1: who they deemed not as attractive and they were sort

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00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:10,839
Speaker 1: of kept in the background and not put forward as

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00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:14,400
Speaker 1: a face of the company. Disgusting, and it was really

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Speaker 1: it was quite ironic because these girls were the smartest

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Speaker 1: girls there and the ones at my business now who

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Speaker 1: I would employ and I would put my energy into.

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Speaker 1: So I think what we can take away from this

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Speaker 1: is moving forward, people should look at Serena Williams and

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Speaker 1: they should look at Bianca Andresco and think, Okay, this

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Speaker 1: is how I want to be and I want to

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Speaker 1: support my fellow female colleague and let's just get on

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Speaker 1: with it and do a good job. Thank you so

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Speaker 1: much for listening today. If you enjoyed the podcast, we'd

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Speaker 1: you think of the podcast. If you could give us

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Speaker 1: a five star rating if you like the show, that

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Speaker 1: would be incredible as well. And thank you. I'm now

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Speaker 1: off to go feed my boyfriend's dog. That is the

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Speaker 1: I'm off to eat those chocolates you were talking about earlier.

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Speaker 1: And so if you're doing a knitting you I will

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Speaker 1: I go to bed. So thank you so much for

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Speaker 1: joining us. Good night, Wonderus