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Speaker 1: It's the Happy Families podcast. It's the podcast for the

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Speaker 1: time poor parent who just answers. Now.

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Speaker 2: So we're on a bushwalk. We're in the middle of

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Speaker 2: this heated conversation with her, and someone walks past the

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Speaker 2: two of us and goes, I love what you guys do.

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Speaker 3: Recognize that, and like, we've got these serious looks in

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Speaker 3: is going to happen in This person says, oh, you

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Speaker 3: guys are the best.

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Speaker 2: I'm like, I don't feel very good right now. I

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Speaker 2: hope you're not hearing what's going on.

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Speaker 1: And now here's the stars of our show, my mom

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Speaker 1: and dad.

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Speaker 2: The weekend it's just around the corner. We're so excited

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Speaker 2: to be able to slow down and spend some time

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Speaker 2: with the family. But before we get there, Hello, this

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Speaker 2: is Justin and Clytie. I'll do better tomorrow. It's our

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Speaker 2: Friday episode. Every Friday on the Happy Families podcast, we

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Speaker 2: unpack episodes and experiences from our week that has been

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Speaker 2: and try to figure out how we can be better

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Speaker 2: parents tomorrow because sometimes we don't get it right, or

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Speaker 2: we'll highlight what we got right today. Two things, one

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Speaker 2: of them is purely mine? The other one is a

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Speaker 2: joint one.

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Speaker 4: How is it purely yours?

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Speaker 2: Well, I was the one that lost the plot. I

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Speaker 4: I not believe you're stealing my story?

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Speaker 2: Well, okay, you tell the story and then I'll say

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Speaker 2: how I got it wrong. So for those of you

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Speaker 2: who a knew to the podcast, So every Friday, we

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Speaker 2: just we look at what we've done well, what we haven't,

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Speaker 2: and how we can be better parents tomorrow. And we've

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Speaker 2: got a really really big one, but first, the short

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Speaker 2: one that I think is mine, But you're stealing it,

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Speaker 2: even though you're saying I'm say so.

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Speaker 4: I had had a full day in the kitchen. It

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Speaker 4: was the day before your birthday. I was prepping yep,

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Speaker 4: give you a sugar free birthday. But we don't eat

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Speaker 2: You were so good the things that you created, I mean,

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Speaker 2: but they were really like you just did an amazing job. Anyway,

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Speaker 4: And so dinner was pushed back substantially, and in an

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Speaker 4: you walked in the door after a big day out.

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Speaker 2: Well, i'd been in Melbourne, so it was on Saturday,

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Speaker 4: And I know how much you love exploring and experimenting

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Speaker 4: with new recipes, so I decided to make something. I

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Speaker 4: of things. Well, she came home and I said to her,

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Speaker 4: where's the chili? And she looked at me and she said, oh,

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Speaker 4: she said, you know when I went to pay for everything.

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Speaker 2: Well, you wanted hilipinos. You wanted Alipino chili.

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Speaker 2: With the chili in it, and it wasn't actually a

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Speaker 4: So she's come home. I've realized I don't have chili,

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Speaker 4: And her little sister says that chili costs six dollars.

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Speaker 2: I hope you enjoyed that chili. Six dollars And I'm like, so,

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Speaker 4: Then, I think the most I've ever paid for one

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Speaker 2: Cheesy knowledge for a chili.

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Speaker 4: That it is so small and so light that it

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Speaker 4: She placed her finger on top of the chili.

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Speaker 2: she said, I pushed my thumbs down on the scales.

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Speaker 2: I'm still incredulous. It's been a week. I looked at her,

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Speaker 2: a voice and competence, and you've got this and I

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Speaker 2: believe in you. I did not express that in any way,

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Speaker 4: Oh so that's still a chilies.

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Speaker 2: That's that's the I'll do better tomorrow story.

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Speaker 4: Okay, Anyway, this was a sidetrack.

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Speaker 2: Why would you not just ask somebody, this isn't waiting

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Speaker 2: the scales? I'll pay for sixty kilos of chilies? Far

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Speaker 4: So if I had not had a full day in

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Speaker 4: many grams of chili does six dollars buy you these days?

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Speaker 2: Man, that looks like two kilos three kilos at chili.

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Speaker 2: It's off the scale. And the funniest thing about all

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Speaker 2: That was the worst.

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Speaker 4: It was so bad, and I just felt like an

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Speaker 2: Oh, that is so bad. It was. Anyway, that was

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Speaker 2: the real I'll do better tomorrow. As a joint story,

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Speaker 2: joint conversation, we have a daughter who is an adult.

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Speaker 2: She's finishing year twelve eighteen, has been since the start

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Speaker 2: She wants to really, really celebrate the end of year twelve,

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Speaker 4: In spite of her best intentions to tick all the boxes,

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Speaker 4: there's still a few things that we're feeling really unsettled about.

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Speaker 2: She's going away with a couple of friends. She has

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Speaker 4: And look, there's a part of me that is actually

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Speaker 2: And I'm not supposed to be the controlling, restrictive parent.

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Speaker 4: Well, and the reality is, if she was eighteen and

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Speaker 4: she wasn't living at home, we'd be having a very

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Speaker 2: Well, we wouldn't even be having one. She's doing it,

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Speaker 4: there's this emotional pull because we have this sense of

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Speaker 2: Perhaps just the absolute danger, like I said to it,

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Speaker 2: Can I go? We need to have the conversation, and Dad,

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Speaker 2: we climbed up Mount Cool and on the way back down,

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Speaker 2: we're in the middle of this heated conversation with her

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Speaker 2: and someone walks past Kyle, past the two of us

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Speaker 2: and goes, I love what you guys? Do we recognize that?

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Speaker 3: And like we've got these serious looks in our face

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Speaker 2: And this person says, oh, you guys are the best.

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Speaker 2: I'm like, I don't feel very good right now. I

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Speaker 2: hope you're not hearing what's going on, boy, And what

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Speaker 2: it really came down to for me is here we are.

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Speaker 2: We definitely don't want to be helicopter parents. I mean

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Speaker 2: I rail against that all the time, but we're trying

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Speaker 2: to thread this needlere we're trying to explore explain an

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Speaker 2: empower with an adult, but even with a late teen child,

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Speaker 2: and we're saying, help us understand what's going on for you,

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Speaker 2: and she's doing a really lousee job of explaining it well.

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Speaker 4: Her emotions are high because she's feeling threatened by the

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Speaker 4: When you espouse to allowing your children to have autonomy

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Speaker 2: That's it. And of course there are differences between autonomy

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Speaker 2: No, I think that's it. I just wanted to get

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Speaker 2: guy called Chris Binello. He's autistic. He's a secondary school teacher.

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Speaker 2: He's been talking about topics to do with autism for

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