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Speaker 1: We know that the Northern Territory government have said that

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Speaker 1: That's in addition to other alcohol laws that start from

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Speaker 1: Monday aiming to reduce antisocial behavior, including transit safety officers

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Speaker 1: also being able to have the powers to stop and

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Speaker 1: effort to deter people from drinking in public places. Now

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Speaker 1: joining me on the line is the Police Minister, Brent Potter.

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Speaker 1: Good morning to you, Brent.

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Speaker 2: Good morning Katie. It's a great day for New South

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Speaker 2: Wales supporters.

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Speaker 1: Ah yeah, well look not for me this morning. But anyway, hey,

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Speaker 1: I want to go to something really quite serious. Right

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Speaker 1: from the get go, we've just had Joe Hersey, the

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Speaker 1: Member for Catherine, on the show. She is calling for

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Speaker 1: a curfew in Catherine. She thinks things are that bad

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Speaker 1: at the moment in Catherine. She said the A and

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Speaker 1: Z bank was broken into overnight as well as another

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Speaker 1: location broken into. That's in relation or that's in addition,

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Speaker 1: I should say to the aggravated assault that we've seen

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Speaker 3: Brent.

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Speaker 1: Is that something that's being considered at the moment in Catherine.

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Speaker 2: I haven't spoken to the police commissioner this morning, Katie,

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Speaker 2: so we will do after this. That's the first I've

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Speaker 2: got my number, she can give me.

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Speaker 1: A call, but she's been emailing you since January this year.

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Speaker 2: She has my number and she can give me a

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Speaker 2: call in relation to the instance she just raised. Then

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Speaker 2: I'm not aware of them. I'll go talk to the

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Speaker 2: police commissioner and as I've said before, we'll do whatever

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Speaker 2: we needed to keep Territory and safe Territory Safety Divisions

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Speaker 2: in Darwin their additional resources to support Catherine the like,

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Speaker 1: We can use it.

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Speaker 3: You can obviously use it.

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Speaker 1: And in a location like Catherine, you would think that

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Speaker 3: Is that the case.

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Speaker 2: That's a standard line that we hear from the opposition

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Speaker 2: very clear that is not the case. They get full coverage.

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Speaker 2: If an officer doesn't turn up to work, then they

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Speaker 2: put a call out to get someone to back fill them.

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Speaker 2: It's day by day, Katie, but the commitment from this

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Speaker 2: government is that police officers or palis will be on

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Speaker 1: People are messaging through from Catherine this morning saying they're not.

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Speaker 2: As I said, Katie, the rosters is full. So whether

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Speaker 2: they're on the bottle shop on that particular day, that

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Speaker 2: weren't there. I'm happy to follow up. But the commitment

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Speaker 2: we made was that we weren't changing palis on bottle

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Speaker 3: Have you got enough place in Catherine.

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Speaker 2: At the moment, Katie, we need more police across the territory.

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Speaker 2: Catherine's getting a significant number of officers in this graduation.

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Speaker 2: Are they believe the numbers over fifteen that are going

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Speaker 2: Have been really clear on that issue, and I said

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Speaker 1: And so will you consider a curfew in Catherine if

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Speaker 2: Required, Well, it's not my decision, Katie. So this is

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Speaker 3: It was because of that public pressure.

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Speaker 1: It was because of public pressure, and that's I mean,

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Speaker 1: I understand that these things are operational issues. But you

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Speaker 3: Got to listen.

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Speaker 2: Katie. There are many resources and ours that we have

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Speaker 2: that is disposal of the Commissioner. The other one is

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Speaker 2: which will be fifty two by the ind the year.

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Speaker 2: Let's not dictate to the police Commission of what he

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Speaker 1: I mean, after you have that discussion with locals in Catherine,

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Speaker 2: At the moment, Adie, I hear you. I hear the

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Speaker 2: like the issues you're saying, let me go and talk

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Speaker 2: to the commissioner. All right, Let's let the commissioner, who

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Speaker 2: to reduce crime and catron right now, All right, let's.

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Speaker 1: Move along, because there is quite a bit happening right

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Speaker 3: In what instance could someone be fined?

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Speaker 2: Okay, if you're out on Mitchell Street and you get

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Speaker 3: Fine, all right.

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Speaker 1: Bottle shops are also set to have the ability to

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Speaker 2: It is happening. We spoken about this before it happens

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Speaker 2: fill in that place. We'll have to ask people where

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Speaker 1: Are you worried that it could potentially put some of

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Speaker 2: Just to be really clear, okay, right now, there is

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Speaker 2: this is what that does.

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Speaker 1: From what I can see in the pressure lease that

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Speaker 2: And I responded to you on Monday in person and said,

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Speaker 2: Now we've delivered the commitment that we made to Hospitality

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Speaker 3: Well, let's wait and see.

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Speaker 2: So bus stops, depots and on the physical bus itself.

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Speaker 2: The power is that the legislation allows the TSO to

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Speaker 2: same power to stop, search seas and destroy alcohol. If

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Speaker 2: well that will be the cause for the Transit Safety

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Speaker 2: If people are thinking getting on our buses with Greg,

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Speaker 1: In conjunction with those measures, police are also going to

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Speaker 3: Where are they going to be focusing So they just

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Speaker 2: A two week operation as well in Casarina specifically targeting

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Speaker 2: now going to move into a three week operation across Kasina,

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Speaker 2: And that's where we see the elements like the Territory

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Speaker 1: Why is this only happening now, you know, fifty eight

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Speaker 3: I mean, look at the Darw and CBD.

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Speaker 1: Look at what had happened with John Conig there at

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Speaker 2: As I said g Gadie when I took this portfolio

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Speaker 2: at six point one percent as the thirty first of March.

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Speaker 2: When we have more police resources, we can get right

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Speaker 2: into that proactive policing which was missed during COVID for

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Speaker 2: our common sense plan to combating and dealing with crime.

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Speaker 2: the show circuit and the dry season becomes a draw

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Speaker 2: anything that is behavior we don't want to see in

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Speaker 2: with it. We're just not going to put up with it.

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Speaker 1: Well, like I guess the irony of it though, Well,

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Speaker 1: why again, why hasn't it been happening prior? And I

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Speaker 1: know you're saying that, you know it's because we haven't

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Speaker 3: From an election?

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Speaker 2: Well that may be so, Katie, but people that know me, no,

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Speaker 2: that's not the case. And I think you'd probably agree.

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Speaker 2: From my personal point of view, I've been very clear

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Speaker 2: You'll see these operations continue every school holidays regardless.

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Speaker 1: Before I let you go The government's also announced that

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Speaker 1: I mean a lot of people are messaging going Katie,

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Speaker 1: they're missing the point. People aren't catching the bus because

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Speaker 2: Well to those people the message in and say we're

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Speaker 2: Absolutely agree with it. And that's what we're doing to

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Speaker 3: Place just very quickly.

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Speaker 1: This Cyclone Tracy monument, it's forging ahead at Bundilla Beach.

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Speaker 1: The Council sending out a very extensive press release about

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Speaker 3: What do you make of it?

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Speaker 2: I'd like to thank those that sign the petition. I

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Speaker 2: think it's people powered, its greatest. They've listened to the

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Speaker 2: I mean, some people would like to see it the

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Speaker 2: design completely change. That's a decision for counsel. But I

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Speaker 2: welcome the changing color.

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Speaker 1: Well, they're not going to They're not actually going to change.

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Speaker 1: So unfortunately, it doesn't sound like they've listened to that

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Speaker 2: Well, they're changing the color of the monument. From what

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Speaker 2: But you know, a change, nonetheless is a good change.

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Speaker 2: I mean, people wanted them to review it. That's what

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Speaker 2: a reason why they can't unless the contracts already being

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Speaker 3: Yeah, no, it.

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Speaker 1: Had the contract has been awarded, so that is the problem.

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Speaker 1: It's already yep, it is already apparently sort of in

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Speaker 1: that stage of starting to be worked upon. So it

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Speaker 1: some people are all for it, some people are not

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Speaker 2: People have been heard different colors.

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Speaker 3: All right, Good on your Brent, Thank you, Thanks Gadie,