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Speaker 1: the Minister for Tourism and Hospitality. Good morning to your.

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Speaker 2: Minister, Good morning Katie, and to your listeners.

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Speaker 1: Now, minister, have you watched that vision and what was

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Speaker 2: I was absolutely disgusted by what I saw. The fact

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Speaker 1: But what they have seen it is truly disturbing, Like

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Katie and I have been out about talking

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Speaker 1: what's been described as a controversial gag clause preventing doctors

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Speaker 1: Why can't a doctor speak to a patient about voluntary

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Speaker 2: Okay, what I just want to be really clear with Territorians, Like, firstly,

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Speaker 1: I don't think hanging your hat on, to be honest.

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Speaker 2: It's not at all. It is such a long time.

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Speaker 2: But we've done it really consultatively, which is really important

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Speaker 2: certainly there'll be people that are against it all together

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Speaker 2: But I want to be really clear about this initiating

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Speaker 2: of discussions by the health professionals. They can't be the

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Speaker 2: And once they have, then of course those conversations can

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Speaker 1: So there's nothing preventing that's somebody who's suffering and dying

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Speaker 2: Their correct That's exactly how we want it to be.

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Speaker 2: We want it to be for the right of the

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Speaker 2: And so once that person and they may know if

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Speaker 1: If they don't know about voluntary assisted dying, can it

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Speaker 1: Because I would think that that's the you know, that

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so this is about like having the legislation in

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Speaker 2: we don't want to see this as being the first option.

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Speaker 2: It's got to be an option that's led by the people.

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Speaker 1: To be honest with you, I actually think that's a

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Speaker 1: I get it right, Like, I totally understand that people

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Speaker 2: But that's the point, right, if you're going through this,

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Speaker 2: all the things that you want to do. It's voluntary,

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Speaker 2: well it's really well no, if the person has raised it,

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Speaker 2: And I think that safeguard really helps because that person

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Speaker 2: which is exactly what this legislation will do. It'll finally

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Speaker 2: give Territorians what every other jurisdiction has, and that's the

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Speaker 1: Attorney General, of you decided how you'll be voting yes

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Speaker 2: I have, Katie. I have been out talking to my

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Speaker 1: Is that why you're sort of making some of these modifications.

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Speaker 2: That is part of it, Katie, Because obviously I just

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Speaker 2: I don't want that for Territorians. So, you know, we've

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Speaker 2: important that whilst not everyone agrees with everything, let's bring

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Speaker 2: it to the Parliament. Well, we will have that debate,

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Speaker 2: we'll go through it and you know, let's get this

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Speaker 1: Attorney General Marie clear Booby, I really appreciate your time

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Speaker 1: this morning. Thank you so much for joining us. We'll

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Speaker 1: talk to you soon.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Katie and Lukey.

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Speaker 1: Thanks