1 00:00:00,640 --> 00:00:02,680 Speaker 1: This is a Will and Woody podcast. 2 00:00:02,920 --> 00:00:06,240 Speaker 2: Nini Woods. Let's talk a little bit about Depp and her. 3 00:00:06,360 --> 00:00:10,200 Speaker 2: Johnny Depp wins the court case today, and I'm going 4 00:00:10,240 --> 00:00:12,680 Speaker 2: to play some audio right here the court reading out 5 00:00:13,039 --> 00:00:15,880 Speaker 2: all the questions that the jury answered yes to, which 6 00:00:15,960 --> 00:00:19,279 Speaker 2: ultimately led to them voting in Depth's favor. But for me, 7 00:00:20,120 --> 00:00:25,079 Speaker 2: this was the statement which most accurately represented why he 8 00:00:25,200 --> 00:00:28,200 Speaker 2: won the case. Do you find that mister Depp has 9 00:00:28,280 --> 00:00:32,240 Speaker 2: proven by clear and convincing evidence that miss Hurd acted 10 00:00:32,280 --> 00:00:33,640 Speaker 2: with actual malice? 11 00:00:33,880 --> 00:00:34,280 Speaker 3: Answer? 12 00:00:34,600 --> 00:00:39,440 Speaker 2: Yes, fascinating stuff and to dig much further into it 13 00:00:39,440 --> 00:00:42,080 Speaker 2: with a lot much more knowledge is and probably hopefully 14 00:00:42,120 --> 00:00:43,559 Speaker 2: a lot better words and bishop. 15 00:00:45,120 --> 00:00:46,760 Speaker 1: So I don't know if I'll be able to put 16 00:00:46,760 --> 00:00:49,320 Speaker 1: a sentence together. I was up at four o'clock this morning. 17 00:00:50,680 --> 00:00:53,120 Speaker 1: I wanted to send the jury back to put you know, 18 00:00:53,200 --> 00:00:55,920 Speaker 1: they came in, they hadn't put a dollar figure in Yeah, head, 19 00:00:56,040 --> 00:00:57,880 Speaker 1: go back, put a dollar figure on it. And then 20 00:00:57,920 --> 00:00:58,720 Speaker 1: they came back again. 21 00:00:59,120 --> 00:01:02,280 Speaker 2: Christ Mate, this is your grand final. 22 00:01:02,560 --> 00:01:05,520 Speaker 1: Really sure is? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, no doubt about it. 23 00:01:05,600 --> 00:01:07,920 Speaker 2: Yours run off your feet, as Tony Martin would be 24 00:01:08,440 --> 00:01:10,280 Speaker 2: Tony Martin. Geez, I'm nowhere. 25 00:01:10,400 --> 00:01:14,200 Speaker 3: I'll take over will, And I got a question for 26 00:01:14,240 --> 00:01:18,679 Speaker 3: you about the case. So when you just mentioned dollar 27 00:01:18,680 --> 00:01:20,440 Speaker 3: figure there, so the dollar figure that they have come 28 00:01:20,480 --> 00:01:23,480 Speaker 3: to is fifteen million dollars US that has been awarded 29 00:01:23,880 --> 00:01:27,600 Speaker 3: in mister Depp's favor. I've got a question, So Amber 30 00:01:27,640 --> 00:01:31,160 Speaker 3: Heard presumably has to pay this fifteen million dollars. Does 31 00:01:31,400 --> 00:01:34,559 Speaker 3: Amber herd have fifteen million dollars lying around to pay 32 00:01:34,560 --> 00:01:35,040 Speaker 3: this bill? 33 00:01:36,360 --> 00:01:38,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, Look, it comes down a bit from that. Now, 34 00:01:38,720 --> 00:01:42,880 Speaker 1: don't forget Johnny asked for fifty. They awarded fifteen, but 35 00:01:42,920 --> 00:01:47,119 Speaker 1: there's ten of that is compensationary and five of it 36 00:01:47,160 --> 00:01:49,919 Speaker 1: is punitive, but there's a cap on punitive in Virginia, 37 00:01:50,040 --> 00:01:52,080 Speaker 1: so that'll only be three hundred and fifty thousands. That 38 00:01:52,120 --> 00:01:54,680 Speaker 1: brings it down to ten points three meal, okay. And 39 00:01:54,720 --> 00:01:59,360 Speaker 1: she got awarded two meal for in her countersuit because 40 00:01:59,400 --> 00:02:02,040 Speaker 1: one of Johnny Pep's lawyers was found to have defamed her, 41 00:02:02,080 --> 00:02:05,400 Speaker 1: so that takes two of that. So around eight point 42 00:02:05,400 --> 00:02:07,040 Speaker 1: three is what she's actually going to be up for 43 00:02:07,200 --> 00:02:11,560 Speaker 1: US US dollars. That's a true mill and that's me 44 00:02:11,720 --> 00:02:14,000 Speaker 1: a long journalist doing maths, so don't trust a word 45 00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:18,400 Speaker 1: of it. But they that of course she doesn't have 46 00:02:18,400 --> 00:02:20,360 Speaker 1: that money because she remember, she promised she was going 47 00:02:20,400 --> 00:02:23,680 Speaker 1: to donate the seven million dollars of her divorced settlement 48 00:02:23,720 --> 00:02:25,680 Speaker 1: to charity, and she wasn't able to do that because 49 00:02:25,680 --> 00:02:29,600 Speaker 1: she needed that money, presumably to fighte these corproceeedings. But yeah, 50 00:02:29,880 --> 00:02:32,640 Speaker 1: she didn't. Look there is some thought at this stage 51 00:02:32,800 --> 00:02:35,919 Speaker 1: that she may try to appeal that the room of guddle, 52 00:02:35,919 --> 00:02:38,640 Speaker 1: but going not so much appeal a verdict but appeal 53 00:02:38,680 --> 00:02:42,960 Speaker 1: the amount, okay, particularly given that the judge said to 54 00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:44,960 Speaker 1: the jury, could you please go and fill in the 55 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:47,840 Speaker 1: amount now? So it's it's clear they didn't give it 56 00:02:47,880 --> 00:02:51,280 Speaker 1: a lot of thoughts make an afterthought yet. 57 00:02:51,200 --> 00:02:54,079 Speaker 2: Yeah, and can I ask, like I know all the 58 00:02:54,120 --> 00:02:56,600 Speaker 2: way through this obviously in the court of public opinion, 59 00:02:56,800 --> 00:03:00,760 Speaker 2: Amber heard, has her name's been egg through the mud? 60 00:03:00,960 --> 00:03:03,400 Speaker 2: Really like it couldn't have looked worse for her in 61 00:03:03,480 --> 00:03:07,720 Speaker 2: terms of how she's been made to look online in memes. 62 00:03:08,160 --> 00:03:12,200 Speaker 2: And that's to one side. Do you think that there's 63 00:03:12,240 --> 00:03:16,799 Speaker 2: something tragic about her losing this case? I mean, within 64 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:20,840 Speaker 2: within the lens of women appealing for and looking for 65 00:03:20,919 --> 00:03:23,440 Speaker 2: honesty when it comes to domestic violence. 66 00:03:24,800 --> 00:03:28,200 Speaker 1: She has certainly indicated that that's what she believes. In 67 00:03:28,240 --> 00:03:31,400 Speaker 1: the statement she put out just pretty much minutes after 68 00:03:31,400 --> 00:03:35,720 Speaker 1: the verdict, she said, the disappointment I feel is beyond words. 69 00:03:35,720 --> 00:03:38,360 Speaker 1: I'm heartbroken the amount of evidence was still not enough 70 00:03:38,360 --> 00:03:41,880 Speaker 1: to stand up to the disproportionate power, influence and sway 71 00:03:41,920 --> 00:03:45,640 Speaker 1: of my husband. I'm even more disappointed what this means 72 00:03:45,640 --> 00:03:49,080 Speaker 1: for other women. It's a setback to a time when 73 00:03:49,120 --> 00:03:52,040 Speaker 1: women could be publicly shamed and humiliated. It takes back 74 00:03:52,080 --> 00:03:55,000 Speaker 1: the idea that violence against women is to be taken seriously, 75 00:03:55,600 --> 00:04:00,840 Speaker 1: and some domestic violence experts have suggested today that they 76 00:04:00,960 --> 00:04:05,320 Speaker 1: know clients who are thinking twice about pursuing their cases 77 00:04:05,360 --> 00:04:09,920 Speaker 1: now and what that means now. On the other hand, 78 00:04:10,320 --> 00:04:15,080 Speaker 1: in being absolutely down the line here in Johnny Depp's statement, 79 00:04:15,960 --> 00:04:18,800 Speaker 1: he says he hopes that the position will now return 80 00:04:18,920 --> 00:04:22,440 Speaker 1: to innocent until proven guilty, both within the courts and 81 00:04:22,560 --> 00:04:26,479 Speaker 1: in the media. So that's his side of that coin. Now. 82 00:04:26,600 --> 00:04:29,840 Speaker 1: The Metia movement is very much about we listen and 83 00:04:29,880 --> 00:04:34,960 Speaker 1: we believe yes when they say yes, and so this 84 00:04:35,200 --> 00:04:38,680 Speaker 1: verdict is not a help to that. Shall we say 85 00:04:40,640 --> 00:04:44,120 Speaker 1: much And it also exact opposite of the verdict in 86 00:04:44,200 --> 00:04:46,000 Speaker 1: the UK two years ago. 87 00:04:46,480 --> 00:04:48,080 Speaker 2: Yes, I want to talk to you about that. Please 88 00:04:48,080 --> 00:04:49,760 Speaker 2: please hold hold that fort. We're going to go to 89 00:04:49,760 --> 00:04:51,919 Speaker 2: assign because I do really want to talk about that 90 00:04:51,920 --> 00:04:54,400 Speaker 2: because I know that he lost. He lost this same 91 00:04:54,520 --> 00:04:56,679 Speaker 2: case in the UK, and I want to know why 92 00:04:57,960 --> 00:05:01,479 Speaker 2: how they could go against that priest and why it 93 00:05:01,560 --> 00:05:04,600 Speaker 2: was so different here. And I know it's got a 94 00:05:04,640 --> 00:05:06,760 Speaker 2: lot to do with the donation that she made to charity. 95 00:05:06,760 --> 00:05:08,839 Speaker 2: We'll talk about it more up next Willan Woodie. Johnny 96 00:05:08,880 --> 00:05:11,760 Speaker 2: Depp has won the case against Amber heard over in 97 00:05:11,839 --> 00:05:16,159 Speaker 2: the US today in Virginia Fairfax County Court. And here's 98 00:05:16,240 --> 00:05:20,520 Speaker 2: his lawyer, came he Vasquez, talking outside court right after 99 00:05:20,520 --> 00:05:21,320 Speaker 2: the verdict. 100 00:05:21,760 --> 00:05:24,880 Speaker 3: Today's verdict confirms what we have said from the beginning 101 00:05:25,200 --> 00:05:28,520 Speaker 3: that the claims against Johnny Depp are defamatory were an 102 00:05:28,600 --> 00:05:30,320 Speaker 3: unsupported by any evidence. 103 00:05:30,640 --> 00:05:32,960 Speaker 2: So it's a big celebration, big victory for the Johnny 104 00:05:32,960 --> 00:05:37,520 Speaker 2: Depp camp. We've got and Bishop Channel ten's entertainment editor 105 00:05:37,520 --> 00:05:40,359 Speaker 2: who joins us right now, and we just we just 106 00:05:40,400 --> 00:05:42,040 Speaker 2: dipped our toe into this and I'd love to hear 107 00:05:42,080 --> 00:05:45,000 Speaker 2: your thoughts. Why is it that Johnny Depp lost a 108 00:05:45,080 --> 00:05:47,720 Speaker 2: case two years ago against the Sun newspaper in the 109 00:05:47,800 --> 00:05:50,640 Speaker 2: UK about the same thing. They use the term calling 110 00:05:50,680 --> 00:05:53,080 Speaker 2: him a wife beater, And how is it that he's 111 00:05:53,680 --> 00:05:57,080 Speaker 2: won a case now to prove that he's not. How 112 00:05:57,080 --> 00:05:58,440 Speaker 2: do they not follow the precedent. 113 00:06:00,279 --> 00:06:02,800 Speaker 1: Well, if president's don't fly from country to country, I 114 00:06:02,839 --> 00:06:05,560 Speaker 1: guess there's no legal necessity for the president to be followed. 115 00:06:05,560 --> 00:06:08,680 Speaker 1: But the British system was. The British case was heard 116 00:06:08,680 --> 00:06:12,000 Speaker 1: by judge who decided on the balance of the evidence 117 00:06:12,040 --> 00:06:14,719 Speaker 1: that he heard the twelve of the fourteen incidents that 118 00:06:15,080 --> 00:06:18,400 Speaker 1: were testified here about he found were likely to have occurred, 119 00:06:18,440 --> 00:06:21,440 Speaker 1: that twelve incidents of abuse against danber heard out of 120 00:06:21,480 --> 00:06:25,200 Speaker 1: fourteen he felt had occurred, and therefore he said the 121 00:06:25,240 --> 00:06:28,080 Speaker 1: son had every right to use that term. So Johnny 122 00:06:28,160 --> 00:06:30,120 Speaker 1: lost that case. Then he goes over to the States 123 00:06:30,120 --> 00:06:32,880 Speaker 1: and has it in the state of Virginia where it's 124 00:06:32,920 --> 00:06:38,960 Speaker 1: a jury trial that will be televised, and that is 125 00:06:39,000 --> 00:06:42,320 Speaker 1: a very different spall game. And as we know from 126 00:06:42,360 --> 00:06:46,839 Speaker 1: everything we have seen and heard over the last six weeks, 127 00:06:47,080 --> 00:06:49,440 Speaker 1: Johnny said in his statement that he wanted all of 128 00:06:49,480 --> 00:06:52,560 Speaker 1: the laundry dirty and otherwise out there because he felt 129 00:06:52,560 --> 00:06:54,520 Speaker 1: that was his best chance and it turns out he 130 00:06:54,600 --> 00:06:59,800 Speaker 1: was right to win the case, and it appears those 131 00:06:59,800 --> 00:07:02,800 Speaker 1: two different environments seem to have been the difference. 132 00:07:03,040 --> 00:07:05,920 Speaker 3: As you said, and it became the trial by TikTok 133 00:07:06,480 --> 00:07:10,040 Speaker 3: was it was it ten trillion people have watched videos 134 00:07:10,040 --> 00:07:10,840 Speaker 3: to do with this case. 135 00:07:10,920 --> 00:07:15,520 Speaker 1: So the the I the Justice for Johnny Depp hashtag 136 00:07:15,640 --> 00:07:19,600 Speaker 1: was viewed fifteen billion times on TikTok. The I Stand 137 00:07:19,640 --> 00:07:25,400 Speaker 1: with Amber heard eight million times, so and YouTube gradits 138 00:07:25,880 --> 00:07:29,520 Speaker 1: told stories of have algorithms went up astronomically as soon 139 00:07:29,520 --> 00:07:32,920 Speaker 1: as they started posting anti and the material. But we've 140 00:07:32,920 --> 00:07:34,120 Speaker 1: got to look at we've got to look at what 141 00:07:34,160 --> 00:07:38,000 Speaker 1: the future holds for them both. Because this is so 142 00:07:38,720 --> 00:07:44,080 Speaker 1: uh Dior who has doing those so large. 143 00:07:44,240 --> 00:07:50,000 Speaker 2: Ads the colign. 144 00:07:50,200 --> 00:07:57,560 Speaker 1: Open Apparently sales have gone up. He's kept his he's 145 00:07:57,640 --> 00:08:01,160 Speaker 1: kept his contracts with that all the way through both trials. 146 00:08:02,440 --> 00:08:08,240 Speaker 1: And he's also got a new film that he's about 147 00:08:08,280 --> 00:08:13,679 Speaker 1: to start filming and it's called Well, He's playing Louis 148 00:08:13,720 --> 00:08:17,800 Speaker 1: the fifteenth, and Louis the fifteenth had a famous quote 149 00:08:17,840 --> 00:08:19,760 Speaker 1: back in the day. He said, you see what a 150 00:08:19,840 --> 00:08:22,280 Speaker 1: victory cough. The blood of our enemy is still the 151 00:08:22,280 --> 00:08:24,600 Speaker 1: blood of men. The real glory is to spare it, 152 00:08:24,640 --> 00:08:26,480 Speaker 1: which is a bit I'm going to say in the 153 00:08:26,560 --> 00:08:30,480 Speaker 1: non alannas my said sense of the word ironic quotes. 154 00:08:31,480 --> 00:08:34,160 Speaker 1: But yeah, so he's got a movie role all lined 155 00:08:34,240 --> 00:08:39,080 Speaker 1: up at the moment. Amber has a change dot org 156 00:08:39,120 --> 00:08:41,520 Speaker 1: petition up with more than four and a half million 157 00:08:41,559 --> 00:08:46,440 Speaker 1: signatures to get her removed from the Aquaman sequo. So 158 00:08:46,520 --> 00:08:48,199 Speaker 1: that's kind of if you want to sort of put 159 00:08:48,280 --> 00:08:50,280 Speaker 1: a picture of where their careers are out at the moment, 160 00:08:50,320 --> 00:08:51,720 Speaker 1: that's kind of where it's at. 161 00:08:51,600 --> 00:08:54,000 Speaker 3: The other contrast, and was you know seeing that? So 162 00:08:54,080 --> 00:08:57,160 Speaker 3: Johnny wasn't even at the court, He wasn't even in 163 00:08:57,480 --> 00:09:00,600 Speaker 3: what was it Virginia today? He was in instead on 164 00:09:00,840 --> 00:09:05,080 Speaker 3: stage like playing the guitar with Jeff Beck when the 165 00:09:05,120 --> 00:09:06,480 Speaker 3: actual announcement came out. 166 00:09:07,080 --> 00:09:08,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, did a couple of gigs over in the UK 167 00:09:09,040 --> 00:09:10,760 Speaker 1: at the Rule all Albert Hall if you don't mind. 168 00:09:11,200 --> 00:09:14,160 Speaker 1: Kate Moss turned up and went backstage with him and partied, 169 00:09:14,760 --> 00:09:18,040 Speaker 1: and then he went to a pub in Newcastle celebrate 170 00:09:18,160 --> 00:09:21,440 Speaker 1: with a quiet Guinness with Jeff back again and he 171 00:09:21,520 --> 00:09:22,439 Speaker 1: was mobbed. 172 00:09:22,559 --> 00:09:25,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, with supporters, not people hating on him. 173 00:09:25,720 --> 00:09:30,840 Speaker 1: No no, no, no, good on your Johnny, it's great news. 174 00:09:29,400 --> 00:09:30,720 Speaker 3: An extraordinary contrast. 175 00:09:30,840 --> 00:09:35,839 Speaker 1: And all of the people outside court were you know, 176 00:09:36,120 --> 00:09:39,760 Speaker 1: ninety five percent were teen Johnny. 177 00:09:40,080 --> 00:09:43,559 Speaker 2: So it's almost like do they know something we don't do, 178 00:09:43,559 --> 00:09:45,360 Speaker 2: you know what I mean? Like I almost just feel 179 00:09:45,400 --> 00:09:47,760 Speaker 2: like I'm like, don't get me wrong, you know, if 180 00:09:47,760 --> 00:09:49,320 Speaker 2: that's the way the court decided, that's the way the 181 00:09:49,320 --> 00:09:52,280 Speaker 2: court decided. But for it to be so heavily skewed 182 00:09:52,400 --> 00:09:56,720 Speaker 2: against this woman's who's trying to speak about the fact 183 00:09:56,720 --> 00:09:59,920 Speaker 2: that she will claim whether whether we believe her or not, 184 00:10:00,400 --> 00:10:02,880 Speaker 2: whether the evidence is, whether you believe it or not, 185 00:10:04,120 --> 00:10:06,920 Speaker 2: Let's treat her with a little bit of respect. You know, 186 00:10:07,080 --> 00:10:09,480 Speaker 2: she's trying to claim she was abused. How can you 187 00:10:09,520 --> 00:10:12,360 Speaker 2: be so vehemently on the side of the guy that 188 00:10:12,440 --> 00:10:13,760 Speaker 2: potentially abused her. 189 00:10:15,200 --> 00:10:19,040 Speaker 1: It was I think the one closing argument from her 190 00:10:19,080 --> 00:10:21,560 Speaker 1: word that really stuck in my mind. He said to 191 00:10:21,600 --> 00:10:26,160 Speaker 1: the jury, you only have to believe that one incident occurred, 192 00:10:26,160 --> 00:10:30,520 Speaker 1: now called it ocurred. He said that the jury, you 193 00:10:30,600 --> 00:10:35,680 Speaker 1: only need to believe that one Yeah, and you checked 194 00:10:35,679 --> 00:10:38,760 Speaker 1: this out, she couldn't have defamed him. And essentially the 195 00:10:38,840 --> 00:10:41,160 Speaker 1: five men and two women on that jury did not 196 00:10:41,360 --> 00:10:43,560 Speaker 1: believe a single word she said. 197 00:10:43,840 --> 00:10:49,880 Speaker 2: Wow, the whole thing she exactly she had to have 198 00:10:49,960 --> 00:10:53,440 Speaker 2: categorically lied through her teeth, made the whole thing up 199 00:10:53,480 --> 00:10:54,400 Speaker 2: from start to finish. 200 00:10:54,840 --> 00:10:57,280 Speaker 1: The only thing the jury disputed or when with this 201 00:10:57,440 --> 00:11:00,480 Speaker 1: two million payment of her they wouldn't accept the lawyers 202 00:11:00,520 --> 00:11:02,520 Speaker 1: claim that she got friends over to rough up the 203 00:11:02,559 --> 00:11:07,040 Speaker 1: apartment to make it look like she'd been They didn't 204 00:11:07,080 --> 00:11:09,280 Speaker 1: fly that. They didn't believe that. They thought she'd been 205 00:11:09,360 --> 00:11:12,640 Speaker 1: famed by that. 206 00:11:12,520 --> 00:11:14,760 Speaker 3: Po the pooh on the bed? Was that? Was that? 207 00:11:14,760 --> 00:11:14,840 Speaker 2: That? 208 00:11:15,760 --> 00:11:17,199 Speaker 1: I know that? 209 00:11:17,200 --> 00:11:20,680 Speaker 2: That was the whole nother kettle of fishing. And let's 210 00:11:20,720 --> 00:11:25,280 Speaker 2: not enter the reads. Dangled some bait there that you 211 00:11:25,360 --> 00:11:27,280 Speaker 2: do not need to take. There's a lot to take 212 00:11:27,320 --> 00:11:31,800 Speaker 2: on there, and you're the best. As I said, that 213 00:11:31,880 --> 00:11:35,559 Speaker 2: case was your grand final, so it was enjoy whatever 214 00:11:35,559 --> 00:11:38,640 Speaker 2: the off season has has for you. Hopefully none of 215 00:11:38,720 --> 00:11:41,120 Speaker 2: these dickheads are suing each other for hundreds of millions 216 00:11:41,160 --> 00:11:43,240 Speaker 2: anytime in the future, and you can get back to 217 00:11:43,480 --> 00:11:45,480 Speaker 2: telling us what happens on the fashions of the field. 218 00:11:46,080 --> 00:11:48,920 Speaker 1: That's right, let's just stop. I start hoping that people 219 00:11:48,960 --> 00:11:49,920 Speaker 1: stop hurting each other. 220 00:11:50,080 --> 00:11:52,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, I love that, mate. Hey, thanks so much for 221 00:11:52,080 --> 00:11:54,160 Speaker 2: joining us and you're the best, mate, really appreciate it. 222 00:11:54,679 --> 00:11:55,959 Speaker 1: Thanks for having me, Guys and. 223 00:11:56,040 --> 00:11:58,680 Speaker 2: Bishop Network ten Entertainment edit of there, She's the best, 224 00:11:59,040 --> 00:12:01,840 Speaker 2: very very interest in tragic wash out from the case 225 00:12:01,880 --> 00:12:03,840 Speaker 2: that's been Hopefully we can all put that behind us 226 00:12:03,880 --> 00:12:06,880 Speaker 2: and talk about some stuff that really matters in the world. 227 00:12:07,240 --> 00:12:10,120 Speaker 1: Now you're done with that, why not check out more 228 00:12:10,200 --> 00:12:12,960 Speaker 1: from Will and Woody on the Full Show podcast.