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Speaker 1: As we all know, this is the third incident of

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Speaker 1: Independent Member Farra Lun Robin Lamley.

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Speaker 2: Good morning to you, Robin.

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Speaker 3: Good morning Katie Robin.

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Speaker 1: The move to bring forty additional police to Alice it

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Speaker 3: Katie, I think what we're seeing on the streets of

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Speaker 3: I was pleased to hear that the government has finally

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Speaker 3: That was a good signal. But you're talking about years

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Speaker 1: Katie Robin, do you think that what the government's announced

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Speaker 3: Well, it could, but don't forget, Katie, They've been talking

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Speaker 3: But down in Alice Springs, wah wah, wah. I'm sure

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Speaker 3: There are no extra tools that the government's given them.

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Speaker 3: They need help Robin.

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Speaker 1: What kind of personal who do you think could conduct

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Speaker 3: My pleasure, kating.

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