1 00:00:02,720 --> 00:00:05,040 Speaker 1: My name is Lily Maddon and I'm a proud Arunda 2 00:00:05,240 --> 00:00:10,040 Speaker 1: Bunjelung Calcuttin woman from Gadighl Country. The Daily oz acknowledges 3 00:00:10,119 --> 00:00:12,280 Speaker 1: that this podcast is recorded on the lands of the 4 00:00:12,320 --> 00:00:15,880 Speaker 1: Gadighl people and pays respect to all Aboriginal and Torres 5 00:00:15,880 --> 00:00:18,799 Speaker 1: Straight Island and nations. We pay our respects to the 6 00:00:18,800 --> 00:00:21,599 Speaker 1: first peoples of these countries, both past and present. 7 00:00:32,200 --> 00:00:35,239 Speaker 2: Good morning and welcome to the Daily os. It is Thursday, 8 00:00:35,320 --> 00:00:36,480 Speaker 2: the eighth of September. 9 00:00:36,640 --> 00:00:38,040 Speaker 3: I am Billy, I'm Zara. 10 00:00:38,400 --> 00:00:42,240 Speaker 2: Around one thousand childcare centers shut early yesterday with early 11 00:00:42,320 --> 00:00:45,239 Speaker 2: childhood educators protesting conditions. 12 00:00:44,720 --> 00:00:45,240 Speaker 1: In the sector. 13 00:00:47,720 --> 00:00:49,559 Speaker 2: We'll tell you everything you need to know in the 14 00:00:49,600 --> 00:00:52,479 Speaker 2: Deep Dive. But first, Sarah was making headlines this morning. 15 00:00:55,720 --> 00:00:59,480 Speaker 3: Well it is finally here. The government's Anti Corruption Commission 16 00:00:59,560 --> 00:01:03,560 Speaker 3: legislation will be introduced to Parliament next week. This was 17 00:01:03,640 --> 00:01:06,479 Speaker 3: a big deal. During the election, Labour promised a national 18 00:01:06,520 --> 00:01:10,120 Speaker 3: Anti Corruption Commission with powers to hold public hearings, investigate 19 00:01:10,160 --> 00:01:12,360 Speaker 3: pass allegations and act on tip offs. 20 00:01:14,080 --> 00:01:17,000 Speaker 2: Meanwhile, the Department of Health has announced that Australia will 21 00:01:17,000 --> 00:01:20,679 Speaker 2: stop reporting daily COVID nineteen numbers and deaths. This has 22 00:01:20,680 --> 00:01:23,959 Speaker 2: been agreed to by the federal, State and Territory health ministers. 23 00:01:24,360 --> 00:01:27,560 Speaker 2: It will start this Friday, meaning the first weekly COVID 24 00:01:27,640 --> 00:01:30,520 Speaker 2: nineteen update will be Friday, the sixteenth of September. 25 00:01:32,680 --> 00:01:35,640 Speaker 3: PM Anthony Alberzi has said he would welcome a one 26 00:01:35,680 --> 00:01:39,360 Speaker 3: on one meeting with Chinese President Jijinping amid growing tension 27 00:01:39,400 --> 00:01:43,240 Speaker 3: between Australia and China. Alberanizi said on Wednesday, it's a 28 00:01:43,240 --> 00:01:45,800 Speaker 3: good thing if there's dialogue, and certainly if such a 29 00:01:45,840 --> 00:01:48,280 Speaker 3: meeting took place, I would welcome it as I welcome 30 00:01:48,400 --> 00:01:51,400 Speaker 3: dialogue with leaders throughout the region and throughout the globe. 31 00:01:54,280 --> 00:01:58,240 Speaker 2: And today's good news, Queensland Premier Anastasia Palichet has handed 32 00:01:58,280 --> 00:02:01,600 Speaker 2: back three hundred and sixty two thousand hectares of land 33 00:02:01,680 --> 00:02:04,920 Speaker 2: on the Cape York Peninsula to its traditional owners. The 34 00:02:04,960 --> 00:02:07,440 Speaker 2: government says it has now handed back more than four 35 00:02:07,480 --> 00:02:16,280 Speaker 2: million hectares, an area the size of Switzerland. Early childhood 36 00:02:16,360 --> 00:02:20,399 Speaker 2: educators across the country participated in a shutdown yesterday over 37 00:02:20,480 --> 00:02:23,240 Speaker 2: pay and conditions. Zara, what do we know about what 38 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:25,640 Speaker 2: the early childhood educators are calling for? 39 00:02:26,040 --> 00:02:29,560 Speaker 3: So the protest yesterday was directed at the federal government, 40 00:02:29,600 --> 00:02:33,680 Speaker 3: which regulates and partly funds the childcare sector. The United 41 00:02:33,680 --> 00:02:36,440 Speaker 3: Workers Union is calling for an urgent plan from the 42 00:02:36,440 --> 00:02:41,120 Speaker 3: government to quote fix the sector, including higher pay. Protests 43 00:02:41,160 --> 00:02:44,520 Speaker 3: took place across the country, including a parliament house in Canberra. 44 00:02:44,960 --> 00:02:47,360 Speaker 2: So can we go back a step. How are early 45 00:02:47,440 --> 00:02:49,800 Speaker 2: childhood educators paid at the moment? 46 00:02:49,919 --> 00:02:53,520 Speaker 3: Okay? So, award wages for early childhood workers are set 47 00:02:53,560 --> 00:02:56,680 Speaker 3: by the Fair Work Commission. Now awards are essentially just 48 00:02:56,760 --> 00:02:59,840 Speaker 3: legal documents that outline the minimum pay and conditions of 49 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:03,000 Speaker 3: employment for an industry. So there are about one hundred 50 00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:06,600 Speaker 3: industry awards which cover most people in Australia. If we 51 00:03:06,639 --> 00:03:10,560 Speaker 3: go to the early childhood education industry, the minimum hourly 52 00:03:10,680 --> 00:03:13,119 Speaker 3: rate of pay is twenty one dollars and eighty five 53 00:03:13,240 --> 00:03:16,120 Speaker 3: cents and the typical hourly pay is around twenty eight 54 00:03:16,160 --> 00:03:19,560 Speaker 3: dollars an hour according to the latest government data. Now, 55 00:03:19,560 --> 00:03:22,399 Speaker 3: if we look at advertised salaries collected by a job 56 00:03:22,440 --> 00:03:25,920 Speaker 3: search company called Indeed, childcare work is also one of 57 00:03:25,960 --> 00:03:29,600 Speaker 3: the twenty lowest paying jobs in Australia. Ninety five percent 58 00:03:29,720 --> 00:03:33,160 Speaker 3: of early childhood educators are women and more than half 59 00:03:33,200 --> 00:03:34,160 Speaker 3: are under thirty five. 60 00:03:35,120 --> 00:03:37,760 Speaker 2: Now, I remember only a couple of weeks ago. Now 61 00:03:37,960 --> 00:03:41,720 Speaker 2: you spoke on the podcast about teacher shortages. Is that 62 00:03:41,760 --> 00:03:45,280 Speaker 2: something that the early childhood education sector is also struggling 63 00:03:45,280 --> 00:03:46,160 Speaker 2: with the shortages? 64 00:03:46,400 --> 00:03:47,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. 65 00:03:47,360 --> 00:03:47,440 Speaker 1: So. 66 00:03:47,640 --> 00:03:50,800 Speaker 3: There are currently more than four thousand vacancies for early 67 00:03:50,880 --> 00:03:54,880 Speaker 3: childhood educators across Australia and that is the highest number 68 00:03:55,000 --> 00:03:58,400 Speaker 3: ever recorded. It seems this is set to continue. Out 69 00:03:58,400 --> 00:04:01,120 Speaker 3: of the thousands of workers who are bonded to a survey, 70 00:04:01,600 --> 00:04:04,040 Speaker 3: more than one third of respondents said that they didn't 71 00:04:04,120 --> 00:04:06,840 Speaker 3: plan to stay in the sector long term, and obviously 72 00:04:06,880 --> 00:04:10,200 Speaker 3: that will then lead to shortages. According to the survey, 73 00:04:10,360 --> 00:04:14,080 Speaker 3: ninety eight percent of early childhood educators say staffing shortages 74 00:04:14,200 --> 00:04:17,480 Speaker 3: are impacting the quality of care and education, and a 75 00:04:17,560 --> 00:04:21,160 Speaker 3: staggering ninety nine percent say they feel burnt out and undervalued. 76 00:04:21,200 --> 00:04:23,800 Speaker 3: And that is just I mean, it's a big number. 77 00:04:24,080 --> 00:04:26,640 Speaker 2: And so when we're talking about pay, what role does 78 00:04:26,640 --> 00:04:30,560 Speaker 2: the government play in deciding pay and who gets what? 79 00:04:31,120 --> 00:04:34,280 Speaker 3: Okay? So to answer that question, it's important to understand 80 00:04:34,320 --> 00:04:36,880 Speaker 3: where the funding for the childcare sector comes from. It's 81 00:04:37,080 --> 00:04:41,360 Speaker 3: a mix of private for profit providers, not for profit providers, 82 00:04:41,520 --> 00:04:44,760 Speaker 3: and a small number of government and school run centers. 83 00:04:45,400 --> 00:04:48,760 Speaker 3: But all that said, the federal government is a major funder. 84 00:04:49,240 --> 00:04:53,560 Speaker 3: It subsidizes childcare fees for parents based on a benchmark price. 85 00:04:54,200 --> 00:04:57,160 Speaker 3: Only twelve percent of providers charge more than this benchmark, 86 00:04:57,279 --> 00:05:01,000 Speaker 3: so the government's subsidy is a major factor in determining 87 00:05:01,040 --> 00:05:04,200 Speaker 3: how much money providers can pay their staff. In saying that, 88 00:05:04,279 --> 00:05:07,719 Speaker 3: Labor has promised to increase the childcare subsidy. 89 00:05:07,960 --> 00:05:10,680 Speaker 2: Right, so that's what they're doing for parents, as I 90 00:05:10,760 --> 00:05:13,520 Speaker 2: understand it. Have they said that they'll do anything for 91 00:05:13,760 --> 00:05:15,960 Speaker 2: the early childhood educators themselves? 92 00:05:16,160 --> 00:05:18,760 Speaker 3: Good question. I will answer that one after a quick 93 00:05:18,760 --> 00:05:22,880 Speaker 3: message from our sponsor. Okay, so, Billy, you asked about 94 00:05:22,960 --> 00:05:25,760 Speaker 3: what is actually being done for the educators. We spoke 95 00:05:25,800 --> 00:05:28,599 Speaker 3: before about subsidies, but now let's talk about what the 96 00:05:28,640 --> 00:05:32,039 Speaker 3: actual educators are getting from the federal government. We reached 97 00:05:32,040 --> 00:05:35,040 Speaker 3: out for a statement, and the Minister for Early Childhood Education, 98 00:05:35,240 --> 00:05:37,680 Speaker 3: doctor Ann aar Lee, said she's already met with early 99 00:05:37,760 --> 00:05:41,400 Speaker 3: childhood educators and cares from across the country. She said, 100 00:05:41,440 --> 00:05:44,600 Speaker 3: and I quote, We're increasing the number of university spots, 101 00:05:44,680 --> 00:05:48,560 Speaker 3: bringing forward fee free takee places, updating the Fair Work 102 00:05:48,600 --> 00:05:51,159 Speaker 3: Act to give more workers access to the benefits of 103 00:05:51,200 --> 00:05:54,239 Speaker 3: bargaining and taking action to close the gender pay gap. 104 00:05:54,600 --> 00:05:56,960 Speaker 2: Right, So that's what the government has said that they 105 00:05:57,040 --> 00:05:59,599 Speaker 2: are doing, but we're talking about it today because there's 106 00:05:59,600 --> 00:06:02,839 Speaker 2: been in austrial action. So what is the union saying 107 00:06:02,960 --> 00:06:05,680 Speaker 2: about what the government is doing or what the government 108 00:06:05,800 --> 00:06:06,320 Speaker 2: isn't doing. 109 00:06:06,839 --> 00:06:10,240 Speaker 3: So the United Workers' Union, which is coordinating the shutdown, 110 00:06:10,560 --> 00:06:13,440 Speaker 3: is calling for the government to go further in reforming 111 00:06:13,520 --> 00:06:15,600 Speaker 3: the sector. They're not happy with what has been done 112 00:06:15,640 --> 00:06:19,880 Speaker 3: so far. Helen Gibbons, who is the union's Early education director, 113 00:06:20,320 --> 00:06:23,680 Speaker 3: identifies three key priorities. She says, and again this is 114 00:06:23,720 --> 00:06:26,479 Speaker 3: a quote, give us a reason to stay and pay 115 00:06:26,560 --> 00:06:29,400 Speaker 3: us what we are worth, value early learning as part 116 00:06:29,400 --> 00:06:32,520 Speaker 3: of the education system just as important as schools, and 117 00:06:32,640 --> 00:06:34,160 Speaker 3: put children before profit. 118 00:06:34,880 --> 00:06:38,120 Speaker 2: Okay, So what has the opposition said on all of this. 119 00:06:38,640 --> 00:06:42,960 Speaker 3: Well, the coalition's Shadow Minister for Early childhood Education, Angie Bell, 120 00:06:43,360 --> 00:06:46,400 Speaker 3: said yesterday the government was doing a lot of talking 121 00:06:46,480 --> 00:06:49,920 Speaker 3: and not much listening, with centers closing their books, their 122 00:06:49,960 --> 00:06:52,720 Speaker 3: doors and asking families to keep children at home. Many 123 00:06:52,720 --> 00:06:55,760 Speaker 3: in the sector are concerned. She calls on the government 124 00:06:55,800 --> 00:06:59,400 Speaker 3: to introduce legislation on its childcare policies into Parliament. 125 00:07:04,960 --> 00:07:07,520 Speaker 2: Thank you for joining us on the Daily Oz. If 126 00:07:07,520 --> 00:07:10,320 Speaker 2: you have learned anything from today's episode, don't forget to 127 00:07:10,400 --> 00:07:13,160 Speaker 2: hit subscribe so there's a TDA episode waiting for you 128 00:07:13,280 --> 00:07:17,000 Speaker 2: every weekday morning at six am. We'll be back again tomorrow, 129 00:07:17,120 --> 00:07:20,120 Speaker 2: but until then, have a great day.