WEBVTT - UNPACKED REALITY - AUSTRALIAN SURVIVOR - ELIMINATED CHAT 0:00:00.200 --> 0:00:01.760 It's in the news today, but it was actually on 0:00:01.840 --> 0:00:05.000 TV Reload, the podcast last deep the Line. Hey guys, 0:00:05.000 --> 0:00:07.680 welcome back to TV Reload. Thank you for clicking and downloading. 0:00:07.680 --> 0:00:11.440 On today's episode with Tobias, the fourth eliminated contestant from 0:00:11.480 --> 0:00:14.560 this year's Australian Survivor on Network ten, I will be 0:00:14.600 --> 0:00:17.560 talking about Tobias's time in Samoa and of course what 0:00:17.720 --> 0:00:19.760 he thinks now that the smoke has been well and 0:00:19.760 --> 0:00:23.680 truly snuffed out on his torch. Australian Survivor Titans Versus 0:00:23.720 --> 0:00:26.200 Rebels is a showdown that pits the winners against the 0:00:26.280 --> 0:00:29.120 underdogs and the big wigs against the battlers, with each 0:00:29.200 --> 0:00:32.240 player competing for a grand prize of half a million dollars. 0:00:32.640 --> 0:00:35.479 Tobias is from Byron Bay, New South Wales. As a 0:00:35.479 --> 0:00:38.839 member of the Cuddle Crew, Tobias found himself blindsided on 0:00:38.880 --> 0:00:41.640 the Rebels second Tribal Council, which was a surprise for 0:00:41.760 --> 0:00:44.040 us as an audience seeing as that we never got 0:00:44.080 --> 0:00:47.080 to see his story package as it was the majority 0:00:47.120 --> 0:00:50.040 alliance in the Rebels team intended to blindside Alex over 0:00:50.120 --> 0:00:52.159 him and the split vote, but it was Kelly who 0:00:52.159 --> 0:00:57.280 went rogue unexpectedly switching her vote to Tobias, causing his elimination. 0:00:57.880 --> 0:01:00.680 Tobias will talk about his Rebels team mate. It's including 0:01:00.720 --> 0:01:03.160 why he didn't like Kelly and how he knew she 0:01:03.200 --> 0:01:06.560 would vote for him. He will unpack throwing the challenge 0:01:06.600 --> 0:01:08.880 and why that was a mistake for his long game. 0:01:09.520 --> 0:01:12.240 I will address the demise of the Cuddle Alliance, and 0:01:12.280 --> 0:01:15.360 then we will dive into his relationship with Sarah. Plus 0:01:15.440 --> 0:01:17.880 he will explain why if he found an idol he 0:01:17.920 --> 0:01:20.640 would throw it away into the ocean. There is so 0:01:20.760 --> 0:01:23.319 much to unpack with Tobias, and he's really generous with 0:01:23.440 --> 0:01:25.960 his time. So sit back and relax as we dive 0:01:26.120 --> 0:01:28.679 just that little bit deeper to the world of Australian Survivor, 0:01:28.760 --> 0:01:33.360 which continues this Sunday night at seven thirty on Network ten. Hi, Tobias, 0:01:33.400 --> 0:01:33.959 how are you. 0:01:34.200 --> 0:01:35.959 I'm really good, I'm really good. How are you? 0:01:36.120 --> 0:01:37.800 Very excited to be talking to you. I have to 0:01:37.800 --> 0:01:40.280 say I'm a little surprised. I'm a little surprised I'm 0:01:40.319 --> 0:01:41.320 talking to you same. 0:01:41.680 --> 0:01:44.199 I was surprised as well. I didn't see it coming. 0:01:44.360 --> 0:01:46.480 Well, I don't think anyone saw the result coming in 0:01:46.480 --> 0:01:50.120 the tribal council. How do you feel about it now looking. 0:01:49.840 --> 0:01:50.400 Back on it. 0:01:50.480 --> 0:01:52.840 I don't know how they didn't realize that Kell would 0:01:52.840 --> 0:01:55.760 have swung her vote. Me and Kell butted heads at camp. 0:01:55.840 --> 0:01:58.680 They didn't really show it in adits, but we didn't 0:01:58.720 --> 0:02:01.400 get along that well. I didn't really like her at 0:02:01.400 --> 0:02:03.600 the time. I love her now she's great, but at 0:02:03.640 --> 0:02:06.680 the time I was pretty off her, so I made 0:02:06.720 --> 0:02:09.280 it clear that I wanted I would have happily gotten 0:02:09.320 --> 0:02:11.600 rid of her. I'm not surprised that she voted for 0:02:11.639 --> 0:02:14.480 me at all, not in the slightest, but I'm surprised 0:02:14.480 --> 0:02:17.560 that Eileen didn't realize that she would have voted for me. 0:02:17.639 --> 0:02:19.080 So maybe Aileen. 0:02:18.919 --> 0:02:21.840 Should have been ainsight, got the girls to vote for 0:02:21.880 --> 0:02:24.640 me and the boys to vote for Alex. Then she 0:02:24.680 --> 0:02:26.840 wouldn't have had the opportunity to vote, and wouldn't have 0:02:26.880 --> 0:02:29.360 had to keep telling her that she had to vote 0:02:29.360 --> 0:02:32.200 for Alex, not me. But hey, hindsight's beautiful. 0:02:32.560 --> 0:02:34.839 You were pretty confident, though, with your strength and your 0:02:35.000 --> 0:02:37.800 effort to help around the camp, that you would be safe. 0:02:38.000 --> 0:02:41.320 Do you think that that strategy was wrong now? 0:02:41.480 --> 0:02:44.400 I think throwing that first challenge was wrong. She shouldn't 0:02:44.440 --> 0:02:46.000 have done that, probably wouldn't have ended up in this 0:02:46.080 --> 0:02:49.640 situation we were in. But yeah, look, maybe I should 0:02:49.680 --> 0:02:52.200 have been played trying to play the game a bit more. 0:02:52.600 --> 0:02:55.000 I just wanted to win challenges because I figured that 0:02:55.080 --> 0:02:57.680 we win challenge besides that one that we through that 0:02:57.840 --> 0:02:58.520 was so stupid. 0:02:58.560 --> 0:02:59.959 But even after. 0:02:59.760 --> 0:03:02.560 That, the crew would have been like, look, let's go 0:03:02.639 --> 0:03:05.040 with the smart option. People obviously an't pulling their weight 0:03:05.080 --> 0:03:07.720 around camp. Maybe we should lose some of out deadweight 0:03:07.840 --> 0:03:10.520 before we start picking the place apart. But I guess 0:03:10.600 --> 0:03:13.160 people were playing their game from the day one, and 0:03:13.280 --> 0:03:15.040 I was like kind of waiting, I was going to 0:03:15.080 --> 0:03:17.560 start playing my game a little bit further down the track. 0:03:17.760 --> 0:03:20.280 In hindsight, I should have started playing from the start, 0:03:20.320 --> 0:03:21.760 from the beginning, from first day. 0:03:21.960 --> 0:03:24.280 I mean, you do hear other players saying, oh, I 0:03:24.280 --> 0:03:26.040 do want to be the personal kick gets sort of 0:03:26.080 --> 0:03:28.440 kicked out for flying under the radar. So I'm just 0:03:28.440 --> 0:03:30.680 going to go really really hard straight away. But the 0:03:30.760 --> 0:03:33.520 thing is, you know, it's almost like you don't know, 0:03:33.919 --> 0:03:37.640 you know, sometimes people are absolutely rewarded for flying under 0:03:37.640 --> 0:03:39.360 the radar for as long as they can, and then 0:03:39.400 --> 0:03:42.000 sometimes they accidentally get bumped out like what we saw 0:03:42.040 --> 0:03:44.160 with you. But do you know what I feel like 0:03:44.200 --> 0:03:45.800 with you? I don't know if we got to know 0:03:45.960 --> 0:03:48.840 you as well as we did with Frankie, Jessica and Peter. 0:03:49.160 --> 0:03:50.840 Do you know what I mean? Like those three people, 0:03:50.840 --> 0:03:54.200 we really got to see some juiciest storylines. We felt 0:03:54.200 --> 0:03:55.560 like we knew them a little bit better. Do you 0:03:55.600 --> 0:03:58.240 feel like watching it back that it was an editor's 0:03:58.280 --> 0:04:01.200 decision to hide you from the episodes, you know, so 0:04:01.320 --> 0:04:04.320 that we were so shocked because everyone was shocked watching 0:04:04.360 --> 0:04:04.560 you go. 0:04:04.800 --> 0:04:07.880 Yeah, maybe, Like I've got a pretty big personality, like 0:04:08.040 --> 0:04:10.040 and I was quite vocal. 0:04:10.080 --> 0:04:11.760 I probably wasn't. I wasn't. 0:04:12.040 --> 0:04:15.320 I was super confident and vocal, but I wasn't entwined 0:04:15.400 --> 0:04:17.880 in the drama like the other people were. I was 0:04:17.960 --> 0:04:21.919 like playing my challenges strongly. I was doing everything around camp. 0:04:21.960 --> 0:04:25.039 I was trying to play both games, be physical and 0:04:25.080 --> 0:04:26.920 fit and strong and do that and help us win 0:04:26.960 --> 0:04:29.360 in that respect, and also win the hearts of everyone 0:04:29.400 --> 0:04:31.120 around camp and make sure that I was doing what 0:04:31.160 --> 0:04:34.680 I needed to do, cooking dinners, making fires, fixing the 0:04:34.720 --> 0:04:37.240 shelter so everyone was happy. And I thought I had 0:04:37.240 --> 0:04:40.159 a good grasp across the board of keeping everyone happy. 0:04:40.200 --> 0:04:43.279 But I can see how my alliance with the other 0:04:43.400 --> 0:04:46.880 three and people would have realized that a, I'm likable, 0:04:47.240 --> 0:04:51.159 be I'm good at challenges, and they would have realized 0:04:51.160 --> 0:04:53.480 that it's only a matter of time before we gain 0:04:53.560 --> 0:04:55.640 some traction. So they're like, we need to pick these 0:04:55.680 --> 0:04:57.200 people apart regardless, And. 0:04:57.200 --> 0:04:58.760 Like, do you think it's that though? Do you think 0:04:58.760 --> 0:05:00.400 that there was some jealousy because at the end of 0:05:00.440 --> 0:05:02.599 the day, I mean, you're all pretty cute in the 0:05:02.600 --> 0:05:05.560 cuddle alliance and you're all having a great time. Like 0:05:05.640 --> 0:05:07.920 I'm at home and I'm jealous I'm not getting any cuddles, 0:05:07.960 --> 0:05:11.679 So like maybe the peripheral was jealous of the connection, 0:05:11.920 --> 0:05:13.560 or do you think it's because they're like, we're going 0:05:13.600 --> 0:05:15.320 to really cut this alliance because it's the first one 0:05:15.360 --> 0:05:15.920 to stand out. 0:05:16.080 --> 0:05:19.360 Well, I think I think with kel and she didn't 0:05:19.480 --> 0:05:23.080 like the relationship I had with Sarah because we were 0:05:23.080 --> 0:05:23.599 pretty tight. 0:05:23.680 --> 0:05:24.640 So like we were. 0:05:24.520 --> 0:05:27.080 Tight, and I think everyone knew that they weren't going 0:05:27.160 --> 0:05:29.040 to be able to split me and her up regardless, 0:05:29.080 --> 0:05:31.760 Like and probably even Alex as well after Peter went. 0:05:31.920 --> 0:05:33.600 They weren't going to split us up. So they had 0:05:33.640 --> 0:05:35.719 to do something to split us up. But also Kel 0:05:35.800 --> 0:05:38.200 kind of in the background was like always there with 0:05:38.200 --> 0:05:40.960 Sarah and always been like he's playing you, he's playing you. 0:05:41.080 --> 0:05:44.360 She thought I was playing Sarah, which I wasn't. Like sarah'school. 0:05:44.400 --> 0:05:47.160 We go along well, we were like our personalities worked 0:05:47.160 --> 0:05:50.120 well together, and we became mates pretty quickly, like goodnighte 0:05:50.160 --> 0:05:50.279 and I. 0:05:50.320 --> 0:05:52.880 Just kept jump in on that though, because like, did 0:05:52.920 --> 0:05:54.440 you go on a date with her after the show? 0:05:54.480 --> 0:05:57.000 Because there were some bits and pieces like that we 0:05:57.040 --> 0:05:58.480 got to see and we're like, oh, there's a real 0:05:58.520 --> 0:06:00.600 connection going on here happened now? 0:06:01.080 --> 0:06:03.080 No, we like we got along really. 0:06:02.920 --> 0:06:06.480 Well, super cute, really good looking. I think your both single. 0:06:06.279 --> 0:06:08.360 Like I've got to get friends. 0:06:08.520 --> 0:06:10.880 Okay, well, let me just stop talking about this altogether then, 0:06:10.920 --> 0:06:12.719 and let's never let her listen to the podcast. 0:06:12.880 --> 0:06:17.440 It's so fine. So yeah, Sarah's cool, she's amazing, Like 0:06:17.520 --> 0:06:18.599 we're mates, but. 0:06:18.720 --> 0:06:21.640 Yeah, no, we were tight, and I don't know, I 0:06:21.720 --> 0:06:23.320 think there was a bit of jealousy with Kel because 0:06:23.400 --> 0:06:25.720 Kel and Sarah go along well, and Kel was kind 0:06:25.760 --> 0:06:27.599 of like Sarah would nearly like mother. 0:06:27.520 --> 0:06:30.039 Keller bit because it's pretty all over the shot and she'd. 0:06:29.880 --> 0:06:33.360 Be like really, but nowhere noticed, Oh yeah, well right. 0:06:33.400 --> 0:06:35.760 She'd like to be like nearly seem a bit manic, 0:06:35.839 --> 0:06:38.680 and then she'd be like crying, and then she's like laughing, 0:06:38.760 --> 0:06:40.039 and then constantly like. 0:06:40.120 --> 0:06:42.279 I guess, Sarah was always really suing her and stuff, 0:06:42.320 --> 0:06:44.240 and Kel hated that me and Sarah were so tight, 0:06:44.320 --> 0:06:46.480 so she wanted to get rid of me. And plus 0:06:46.640 --> 0:06:48.640 me and Kel didn't really get along because I was 0:06:48.680 --> 0:06:50.559 off her for not pulling away, so she was happy 0:06:50.600 --> 0:06:52.280 to get rid of me. And then everyone else was 0:06:52.360 --> 0:06:54.159 kind of like, we need to pick these guys apart. 0:06:54.200 --> 0:06:56.600 We can't keep them together. They are not Once it 0:06:56.720 --> 0:06:59.039 gets down to like one on one stuff, they're. 0:06:58.920 --> 0:06:59.480 Going to do well. 0:06:59.800 --> 0:07:01.200 But I feel like, why are we getting rid of 0:07:01.240 --> 0:07:04.080 this person? I mean, Kel is, you know, really hard 0:07:04.240 --> 0:07:07.400 to live with. I'm sure she's a beautiful person and 0:07:07.520 --> 0:07:09.800 you can see that, but like we often see in 0:07:09.960 --> 0:07:13.240 these elimination shows that these characters that are a little 0:07:13.240 --> 0:07:15.480 bit like mister Bean or Bridget Jones, like they're sort 0:07:15.480 --> 0:07:18.640 of like these eccentric characters that driving people nuts. They 0:07:18.680 --> 0:07:20.440 seem to survive the vote. 0:07:20.720 --> 0:07:22.760 I mean, look, this is just my idea, but I 0:07:22.920 --> 0:07:26.760 would personally, I'd keep Kell before I kept myself, because 0:07:26.800 --> 0:07:29.600 if I comes down to a one or one challenge, 0:07:29.880 --> 0:07:32.560 I'm going against me or I'm going against Kel. I'm 0:07:32.880 --> 0:07:35.320 way more worried about going against me than going against her. 0:07:35.440 --> 0:07:38.080 Like if there's something that's physically demanding where we have 0:07:38.200 --> 0:07:41.120 to god knows what, just so some one on one challenge. 0:07:41.080 --> 0:07:42.600 To every man for himself. I don't want to go 0:07:42.680 --> 0:07:45.440 against me. I got stabborn. I'm do that shit all day, Like, 0:07:46.360 --> 0:07:46.640 I don't know. 0:07:46.800 --> 0:07:49.400 I think I've played a pretty integral part in the 0:07:49.480 --> 0:07:52.200 challenge challenges we won. Like saw the one that we 0:07:52.280 --> 0:07:55.680 were holding up the net with the coconuts. See the 0:07:55.800 --> 0:07:57.200 size of dag and Viola. 0:07:57.600 --> 0:08:00.600 Yeah we held it. We were there were holding it 0:08:00.760 --> 0:08:03.480 nose Guy's like go like like I literally could do 0:08:03.560 --> 0:08:04.160 that shit all day. 0:08:04.240 --> 0:08:06.640 But yeah, so I get where she came from, and 0:08:06.720 --> 0:08:08.840 it was probably a smart move on her behalf because 0:08:08.840 --> 0:08:10.320 I would have got rid of when I could. 0:08:10.520 --> 0:08:12.679 But what is she doing with Alex though? I mean everyone, 0:08:12.680 --> 0:08:15.000 I mean we as the viewers are privileged to know 0:08:15.400 --> 0:08:18.080 that we can see that he doesn't like Kel and 0:08:18.200 --> 0:08:20.720 he wants Kel gone, and that hell shouldn't trust him, 0:08:21.000 --> 0:08:23.960 but then to flip like you know, in that moment, 0:08:24.040 --> 0:08:26.160 and that's how we saw it. It was really hard 0:08:26.200 --> 0:08:28.640 for us to watch because everyone, I believe everyone in 0:08:28.680 --> 0:08:31.640 Australia screamed at the screen and said no, don't. 0:08:31.880 --> 0:08:32.080 Yeah. 0:08:32.440 --> 0:08:35.400 Well I think also like they didn't actually show the 0:08:35.600 --> 0:08:38.400 editor's cart was like they didn't show Kell and I 0:08:38.600 --> 0:08:41.520 and like me saying how much I disliked her and 0:08:41.600 --> 0:08:42.120 how much I was. 0:08:42.280 --> 0:08:43.959 We saw that though, because she came over to ask 0:08:44.040 --> 0:08:45.840 you to scramble and you didn't even lift your head. 0:08:45.920 --> 0:08:48.480 You were like, that's the response I give to flies 0:08:48.520 --> 0:08:50.120 and mosquitos to come around me, do you know what 0:08:50.120 --> 0:08:52.000 I mean? Like how do we get rid of the pest? 0:08:52.240 --> 0:08:54.920 So like she was in her right in that respect, 0:08:55.000 --> 0:08:56.800 and we did get to see the fact that you'd 0:08:56.800 --> 0:08:59.200 ignored her, because that's a pivotal point watching it back, 0:08:59.240 --> 0:09:02.000 I feel like if you said let's go do the scramble, 0:09:02.240 --> 0:09:04.360 you know, maybe she might might have played it differently. 0:09:04.880 --> 0:09:05.080 Yeah. 0:09:05.160 --> 0:09:06.959 Look, I don't think she she wanted to spit me 0:09:07.040 --> 0:09:10.160 and Sarah regardless, Like she wanted Sarah on her side, 0:09:10.240 --> 0:09:12.600 backing her, okay, and she knew that if it came 0:09:12.640 --> 0:09:14.320 down to it, and I was like, Sarah, you need 0:09:14.360 --> 0:09:16.720 to vote for kel. Sarah would have voted for her, okay, 0:09:16.840 --> 0:09:19.240 So she wanted she wanted to split us up regardless. 0:09:19.320 --> 0:09:21.160 So I don't even think any of us spoke to her. 0:09:21.360 --> 0:09:23.520 She wouldn't have changed her mind, No way she would 0:09:23.520 --> 0:09:24.079 have changed her mind. 0:09:24.120 --> 0:09:26.840 She was like, when he's gone, damn it, she's done. Yeah, 0:09:27.040 --> 0:09:29.120 I feel like that's what. Yeah. Hearing that loud and clear. 0:09:29.160 --> 0:09:32.200 Now you know the rise of Eileen amongst those big personalities, 0:09:32.280 --> 0:09:34.640 last night gave us like a really likable story arc 0:09:34.720 --> 0:09:36.400 for her, and I can imagine the fans are going 0:09:36.480 --> 0:09:38.160 to be obsessed with her. Now do you think that 0:09:38.360 --> 0:09:41.400 she can stand out and run the rebels tried? 0:09:41.600 --> 0:09:43.520 She definitely like she put in her all. 0:09:43.600 --> 0:09:46.199 I know that because like when there was even like 0:09:46.480 --> 0:09:49.280 down to opening coconuts, she wasn't the best at it, 0:09:49.440 --> 0:09:51.480 but she was always having a crack, like she was 0:09:51.520 --> 0:09:53.920 always like putting in one hundred percent and anything that 0:09:54.040 --> 0:09:56.400 she couldn't do, like I was pretty good at without 0:09:56.520 --> 0:09:57.040 sounding like. 0:09:57.080 --> 0:09:59.880 A Blenka, I love that tell us to be a wenker. 0:10:00.920 --> 0:10:05.400 I was good at everything around camp, at lighting fires, 0:10:05.520 --> 0:10:07.600 I'm good at lifting staff, building stuff. 0:10:07.679 --> 0:10:09.960 Whatever I noticed. I was like, you were good at everything. 0:10:10.120 --> 0:10:13.119 All my favorite things about survivor people in the peripheral 0:10:13.320 --> 0:10:15.280 is you know he's helping out, he's doing anything he can. 0:10:15.600 --> 0:10:18.520 He's good to look at. You had all these things. 0:10:18.400 --> 0:10:22.079 Like yeah, exactly, and like she's always asking, she's I 0:10:22.200 --> 0:10:23.360 was like, how do you do this? Can you have 0:10:23.480 --> 0:10:24.599 me with this? Can you help me with this? 0:10:24.880 --> 0:10:28.040 And you know what, also I maybe did I thought 0:10:28.040 --> 0:10:30.120 I could use my chalel and my good looks on 0:10:30.200 --> 0:10:31.840 her and kind of manipulate a it and get her 0:10:31.880 --> 0:10:32.920 to vote with me on something. 0:10:33.120 --> 0:10:35.040 And I made that kind of clear. I remember at 0:10:35.040 --> 0:10:37.439 one point she was just like, no, Toby, I'm not 0:10:37.520 --> 0:10:40.800 following for your bullshit. It's just like she saw straight 0:10:40.880 --> 0:10:41.160 through it. 0:10:41.800 --> 0:10:43.719 You played too hard. Yeah, that's when you put the 0:10:43.800 --> 0:10:45.559 cards on the table and you're like, Okay, maybe shouldn't 0:10:45.559 --> 0:10:49.000 have done that. Just some nice eye contact every now 0:10:49.000 --> 0:10:52.760 and again, less you know, corb, Yeah, another little wing 0:10:52.880 --> 0:10:55.560 every I know, the wink is disgusting as anyone ever linked. 0:10:56.760 --> 0:11:01.680 Wow prig I love but that week in his provo, 0:11:04.400 --> 0:11:06.880 it was just an interesting dynamic. The whole thing was 0:11:06.960 --> 0:11:11.400 an interesting dynamic. I think that everyone thought that Alex 0:11:11.559 --> 0:11:12.360 was going to go home. 0:11:12.600 --> 0:11:14.600 Literally everyone. 0:11:14.800 --> 0:11:16.640 I heard people that were watching Maths on a different 0:11:16.720 --> 0:11:20.160 channel say Alex was going home, so they were Alex. 0:11:19.920 --> 0:11:22.599 Has gone, Alex has gone, and like, yeah, it was 0:11:22.720 --> 0:11:24.880 actually interesting to see it all on fold because I 0:11:25.000 --> 0:11:27.080 had no idea who set that plan into motion. 0:11:27.360 --> 0:11:29.680 I didn't know how, I didn't know why. 0:11:30.280 --> 0:11:32.439 I had no idea, but I guess it was just 0:11:32.520 --> 0:11:34.839 to make Shareah picksides and be like all right, them 0:11:35.360 --> 0:11:37.959 making it clear that they can pick us apart, and 0:11:38.920 --> 0:11:42.080 knowing that they had control they controlled. 0:11:42.600 --> 0:11:45.360 But it makes me wonder because I'm asking about Eileen 0:11:45.440 --> 0:11:47.199 and whether or not she could be the person who 0:11:47.280 --> 0:11:50.440 runs rebels. There's also Kirby who clearly thinks that she's 0:11:50.520 --> 0:11:53.680 running rebels. And then you've got Ferris, you know, maybe 0:11:53.760 --> 0:11:55.640 he's going to run the show. Like at this point 0:11:55.679 --> 0:11:57.880 of the game when you left, did you have if 0:11:57.920 --> 0:11:59.600 you had to put money on it, if you had 0:11:59.600 --> 0:12:01.719 to put on who's going to end up running that 0:12:02.000 --> 0:12:05.160 and have the most amount of influence? Who is that person? 0:12:05.480 --> 0:12:09.720 Okay, so I actually don't. I actually am soliblyvious as 0:12:09.800 --> 0:12:12.120 to what happened, like moving. 0:12:11.960 --> 0:12:14.199 Forward, but well that's about what you would know, but 0:12:14.320 --> 0:12:16.079 more about what you would guess. 0:12:16.480 --> 0:12:16.959 I like. 0:12:17.240 --> 0:12:20.400 I like Ferris, and Ferris Is some of the things 0:12:20.520 --> 0:12:24.440 he did like and just the looks he gave and stuff. 0:12:24.480 --> 0:12:27.600 I'm like this guy. He's a really smart guy. He's likable. 0:12:27.679 --> 0:12:29.120 He can make you like go. 0:12:29.240 --> 0:12:31.559 From not liking him to liking him in a split second. 0:12:31.800 --> 0:12:35.040 He's a mastermind, and I could see him running the show. 0:12:35.400 --> 0:12:40.800 But also Kirby, like Kirby, super smart, sits back, observes Faris. 0:12:41.320 --> 0:12:43.360 I feel like those who have got very similar personality. 0:12:43.400 --> 0:12:44.560 I can sit back observe. 0:12:44.920 --> 0:12:50.120 Maybe Ferris's manipulative behavior is more, you can see it more, 0:12:50.160 --> 0:12:52.520 whereas Kirby flies under the radar with it. 0:12:52.800 --> 0:12:55.240 So I reckon between those who one of those. 0:12:55.120 --> 0:12:57.040 Who would have been running a tribe for sure or 0:12:57.080 --> 0:12:59.040 will be running the tribe for sure moving. 0:12:58.880 --> 0:13:01.439 Forward, because I mean, for me, you know, he's a 0:13:01.480 --> 0:13:03.360 big player, and he's pulled some pretty big moves, But 0:13:03.400 --> 0:13:05.280 I don't feel like any of those risks that he's 0:13:05.360 --> 0:13:07.920 talked about that he's wanted to play to maybe get 0:13:07.960 --> 0:13:11.040 some agency and you know, have become a favorite with 0:13:11.120 --> 0:13:12.559 the fans and all that kind of stuff. I just 0:13:12.600 --> 0:13:14.400 don't know if it's paid off for him, especially, hasn't 0:13:14.400 --> 0:13:18.680 paid off for his friends, so it seems very reckless, 0:13:18.880 --> 0:13:21.600 like great Speedo's mate. But I think you're going home soon. 0:13:21.800 --> 0:13:24.080 Those things just him payoff, Like we shouldn't have thrown 0:13:24.120 --> 0:13:26.319 that challenge. And you know the funny thing, even though 0:13:26.400 --> 0:13:30.559 we threw the challenge, we lost by it was literally 0:13:31.080 --> 0:13:34.920 those blocks both winning those puzzles at the exact same time. 0:13:35.200 --> 0:13:38.079 It would have taken us one footstep, one hard to 0:13:38.160 --> 0:13:41.920 push on the sled, or one one slingshot that I 0:13:42.320 --> 0:13:44.400 intentionally didn't do, and we would. 0:13:44.160 --> 0:13:45.280 Have won accidentally. 0:13:45.640 --> 0:13:48.760 Like I've been the hindsight, we actually like could have 0:13:48.960 --> 0:13:51.360 smoked that challenge, and we would have won so many 0:13:51.440 --> 0:13:52.839 more if we had to just stuck together. 0:13:53.000 --> 0:13:56.680 So Raymond missing out on those you know, those immunity 0:13:56.760 --> 0:13:59.199 idols feels like a little bit on brand for Raymond, 0:13:59.440 --> 0:14:02.920 like and Rama. You know, I think I like Raymond. 0:14:03.000 --> 0:14:05.319 I think he sort of comes across like this odd ball, 0:14:05.440 --> 0:14:09.160 but in a really kind of likable, captive kind of way. 0:14:09.200 --> 0:14:11.199 I mean, it's nice to see someone different in a 0:14:11.280 --> 0:14:12.480 pack full of people like this. 0:14:12.880 --> 0:14:14.400 You know what, he's different? 0:14:15.559 --> 0:14:18.840 I like, right, he's an odd character. He definitely sat 0:14:18.920 --> 0:14:22.080 back and observed and would just like wander off and 0:14:22.160 --> 0:14:25.320 do stuff. He was very, very nonchalant in what he's doing. 0:14:25.400 --> 0:14:28.400 Maybe he's a bit more calculated than he came across as, 0:14:28.520 --> 0:14:30.200 but then also maybe not. 0:14:30.640 --> 0:14:32.240 I know, he knows the game very well. 0:14:32.960 --> 0:14:36.400 He is easy to like, but also there were some 0:14:36.520 --> 0:14:38.920 times that like he'd walk around the camp and just 0:14:39.080 --> 0:14:41.760 talk about rubbish and everyone was just like, shut up, 0:14:41.800 --> 0:14:43.880 what are you talking about? Or like you just hear 0:14:43.960 --> 0:14:47.640 him just start pissing himself, laughing to himself and we're like, 0:14:47.880 --> 0:14:48.640 what are you? 0:14:48.880 --> 0:14:50.000 Are you good? Like, you're right. 0:14:50.960 --> 0:14:53.120 But it's great though, because it's you know what, it's like, 0:14:53.480 --> 0:14:56.440 it's that kind of joker vibe, you know what I mean, 0:14:56.600 --> 0:14:59.600 Like it's the insane person that giggles to themselves. It 0:14:59.680 --> 0:15:02.640 actually for the viewer, And I think what people don't 0:15:02.720 --> 0:15:07.000 understand about being in the experience versus being a viewer 0:15:07.320 --> 0:15:10.160 is how those things work. And like, I think it's 0:15:10.160 --> 0:15:12.800 a really good strategy for Ray with the fans out 0:15:12.840 --> 0:15:15.920 there watching this show. His likability to be that kooky, 0:15:16.160 --> 0:15:18.680 crazy nut job on the side, yeah, well, I mean 0:15:19.640 --> 0:15:20.080 no one, no. 0:15:20.160 --> 0:15:22.840 One really disliked him. It was like he got a 0:15:22.880 --> 0:15:25.640 bit annoying at times, but no one disliked him. He 0:15:25.640 --> 0:15:28.160 didn't stand out and made people not like him, which 0:15:28.280 --> 0:15:31.160 was fine, and like people probably wouldn't have voted him out, 0:15:31.440 --> 0:15:34.000 just like he would have probably got votes just because 0:15:34.400 --> 0:15:36.720 or got voted out because he didn't do a lot 0:15:36.760 --> 0:15:39.680 around camp and stuff. Simo de Calbert was definitely not 0:15:39.840 --> 0:15:42.160 as annoying Askel, so he would have just like flown 0:15:42.240 --> 0:15:42.840 under the radar. 0:15:43.080 --> 0:15:44.880 Bit definitely gives you those vibes that you know when 0:15:44.880 --> 0:15:46.760 he grew up his mum, you know, came and collected 0:15:46.760 --> 0:15:49.920 the dishes from his bedroom and you know, watching, you know, 0:15:50.000 --> 0:15:51.360 you get those vibes from him. 0:15:51.240 --> 0:15:54.320 That maybe like, yeah, I get that absolutely. 0:15:54.600 --> 0:15:56.680 Do you think that those two idols though, could have 0:15:56.760 --> 0:15:59.760 been found by anyone else? Because I kind of felt 0:15:59.760 --> 0:16:02.040 like that was set up for Ferris because Ferris had 0:16:02.120 --> 0:16:05.240 already seen the box, so dropping some keys into that 0:16:05.800 --> 0:16:08.760 reward at that point, people would have known that Ferris 0:16:08.880 --> 0:16:10.280 is going to run straight to that box. So it 0:16:10.400 --> 0:16:14.000 felt like, do you even question those sorts of parts 0:16:14.040 --> 0:16:17.040 of the game where you think, well, yeah, I think so. 0:16:17.280 --> 0:16:20.320 I reckon that, like maybe if that box hadn't been 0:16:20.440 --> 0:16:23.560 found although like even if the box wasn't found, they 0:16:23.680 --> 0:16:26.240 probably wanted him to find it sooner than later. So 0:16:26.440 --> 0:16:28.840 like to throw a bit more especially into our time 0:16:29.280 --> 0:16:32.160 because we had been we had one challenges, Like there 0:16:32.280 --> 0:16:34.600 wasn't there was a bit of drama going on, but 0:16:34.680 --> 0:16:35.360 it wasn't wild. 0:16:35.720 --> 0:16:37.640 So to throw that in the metnix was a good thing. 0:16:37.840 --> 0:16:40.000 But I don't know, it's hard to say, like maybe 0:16:40.000 --> 0:16:42.040 if you hadn't found it, those keys wouldn't. 0:16:41.680 --> 0:16:44.360 Have been in that reward. But then like who had 0:16:44.400 --> 0:16:47.680 a clue to a thing in these banana which obviously 0:16:47.880 --> 0:16:50.520 like would have been planted there at the time for sure, 0:16:50.640 --> 0:16:51.880 like they would have given. 0:16:51.680 --> 0:16:53.360 Them those bananas, would just hand it out. It's not 0:16:53.440 --> 0:16:55.200 like there was like a banana with everyone's name on. 0:16:55.240 --> 0:16:57.680 It, no, No, but like that was definitely like so 0:16:57.880 --> 0:16:59.680 like they probably would have been like, all right, we 0:17:00.080 --> 0:17:01.760