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Speaker 1: Now, as we've been talking about throughout the morning, we

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Speaker 2: It took around seven hours.

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Speaker 1: For the jury to determine mister Roff not guilty on

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Speaker 2: Far and wide.

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Speaker 1: Now Zach Roff's dad, Richard, joins me on the line

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Speaker 1: right now.

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Speaker 2: Good morning to you, Richard.

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Speaker 3: Good morning Katie.

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Speaker 1: Now, Richard, it took around seven hours for the jury

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Speaker 1: How did you feel when the outcome was handed down?

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Speaker 3: Very relieved obviously that the correct verdict had been delivered.

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Speaker 3: But I think in reality, Katie, it took a lot

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Speaker 3: less time than what has been reported. The judge provided

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Speaker 2: Richard, how's that going.

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Speaker 3: Look, he's okay, obviously relieved that the part of the

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Speaker 3: And it was only afterwards that we understood that the

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Speaker 1: So he is suspended at the moment. Why, what is

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Speaker 3: Has been no reason given, Katie, there's no paperwork. My

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Speaker 3: that in the Northern Territory Police Force, if you ever

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Speaker 3: And Zach had never previously used his garden or taser

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Speaker 2: Can I ask you, Richard? It is being reported that.

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Speaker 1: If indeed there has been a Section seventy nine push

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Speaker 2: Good morning again to you, Richard.

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Speaker 3: Well, no commissioned officer has ever checked on Zach's welfare

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Speaker 3: once were is to immediately remove Jamie Chalker.

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Speaker 1: So you are calling for the Police Commissioner, Jamie Chalker

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Speaker 3: Whether he is sacked immediately or he resigns, I don't mind,

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Speaker 1: Richard, what you are saying is explosive. I know that

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Speaker 3: It's not just a dad that's really hurt. The you end,

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Speaker 3: because they don't have the leadership that's there. Last week

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Speaker 1: Richard, Look, I do want to just pull you up

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Speaker 2: I do that. I want to take you back to no.

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Speaker 3: I probably should have said I think that his behavior

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Speaker 1: All right, Like I say, I will just have to

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Speaker 3: He has using that Because the previous IK Commissioner, Ken

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Speaker 1: Richard can I ask. I know this has been a

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Speaker 3: Oh, definitely, that was clear on the night of the shooting.

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Speaker 1: Again, I know there'll be people listening this morning, some

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Speaker 2: Well, look, I'll leave I leave others.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, look, I'll leave other media outlets to obviously, you know,

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Speaker 3: Well, at this stage we're simply waiting for the paperwork

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Speaker 3: Chalker as police Commissioner, Richard, the Northern Territory public need

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Speaker 2: Well, Richard, I really appreciate your time this morning.

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Speaker 1: I know that it's been an incredibly difficult situation for

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Speaker 1: I know that there's a lot of police at the

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Speaker 1: moment who are feeling you know, they're questioning their ability

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Speaker 1: to be able to do their jobs and to have

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Speaker 1: the support of the executive of the police.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they need a leader that's on the ground, not

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Speaker 3: ready to tee off on the.

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Speaker 1: Third, Richard Rolph, thank you very much for speaking to

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Speaker 1: me this morning.

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Speaker 2: I appreciate your time.

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Speaker 3: And thank you Katie, thank you