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Speaker 1: Joining me in the studio though, Well they have returned

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Speaker 1: the big issues.

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Speaker 2: Dave Tolner, good morning to you, Merged.

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Speaker 1: Emerged, just emerged, emerged, And Damian Hale, good morning to

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Speaker 1: your morning Waffy.

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Speaker 2: Very well, what a week to have you both back with.

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Speaker 3: Must be. Dave's washed in from Stewart.

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Speaker 1: Well, can I just say that Damien Hale's rocked up

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Speaker 1: sporting a mustache.

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Speaker 4: I've got a mosseelle tell us, well it's about it's November.

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Speaker 4: But I'm not I'm not raising any money like all

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Speaker 4: my mates throwing enough money and spend.

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Speaker 5: Just doing it for publicity.

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Speaker 4: Well, I'm just doing it to just have a conversation

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Speaker 4: council next time. I've had forty conversations with friends and

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Speaker 4: family about men's health and just getting your blood tests.

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Speaker 4: And I'll admit I had a com moscopy about six

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Speaker 4: I was it's something that guys have to do.

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Speaker 3: You get to our age.

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Speaker 4: I was just saying, I'm always on the Dave about

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Speaker 4: getting blood tests and getting doing a pooh test.

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Speaker 3: I said, I volunteered.

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Speaker 4: Not to hold them, not to hold the hold the

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Speaker 4: little container on Dave backs up, I might need a

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Speaker 4: five five liter bucket.

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Speaker 2: Well, look, that is a visual I don't need.

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Speaker 1: But the message about men's health is incredibly important to.

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Speaker 3: A lot of them. Just just go and get a

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Speaker 6: It's very still through the mud, but you realize, okay,

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Speaker 6: just an important message like that to drag through the mud.

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Speaker 3: No, I just dragged Toller. I just dragged Tolly.

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Speaker 2: I actually don't mind how the message gets out there.

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Speaker 1: I just think it's so important that our blokes do

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Speaker 1: look after themselves. If not for yourself, do it for

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Speaker 1: your family. And it's something that I talk about a

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Speaker 1: lot after losing my dad, And I think it's really

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Speaker 1: important to make sure that our men know how valued

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Speaker 4: And I think last the last time we were in here,

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Speaker 4: I think I actually said to Tolly, when was the

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Speaker 4: last time you went to the doctor, And Tolly went.

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Speaker 3: I don't go to the doctor. I don't need the doctor.

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Speaker 3: Now he talks, I walk out.

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Speaker 4: So he's got a gasper in one hand and he's

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Speaker 4: having he still smokes like he still smokes, Tolly, does

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Speaker 4: I worry about.

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Speaker 3: Me, big mate? I want to I want to grow

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Speaker 3: old and to drink with him and enjoy.

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Speaker 4: I enjoy talking about how good we thought we were,

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Speaker 4: and but I worry that he doesn't look after himself enough.

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Speaker 2: Both of you look after you as you see.

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Speaker 6: I've been a health minister and he didn't want the hospital.

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Speaker 6: I understand that the pressures on the health system, and

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Speaker 6: I don't think it's right that people can't waste doctor's times.

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Speaker 2: Oh come on, I am sure you have a check

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Speaker 6: There's plenty of people out there who.

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Speaker 5: To see a doctor.

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Speaker 3: It's blood test and it's called preventative.

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Speaker 2: Anyway, let's move along.

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Speaker 1: Let's move along because there is a lot to talk

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Speaker 6: He'sked out that this is deadwood in his view, These

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Speaker 6: you could if his view is that they're deadwood. Now

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Speaker 6: it's quite un need these four hundred people, and you

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Speaker 6: just wonder how many other bits of deadwood are hanging

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Speaker 1: Well, but you know, would you call like I think

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Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know. I certainly wouldn't call sixty

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Speaker 5: No, I would neither.

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Speaker 6: But that's the line that the Chief Minister's taken, is

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Speaker 4: So it's been like it wasn't something that snuck up

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Speaker 3: Been pretty clear on all these decisions.

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Speaker 4: That have been made, whether they've been blocking the borders,

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Speaker 4: and now he said if you don't if you want

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Speaker 5: As he said, we're sixty nurses short.

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Speaker 3: Well, he made it very clear that you had to

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Speaker 5: So we're sixty nurses short.

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Speaker 4: And I watched it with interest his press conference that

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And I think I never had a problem with

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Speaker 4: So if people are upset about losing their job, or

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Speaker 6: I think what's upsetting people is that you've got thirty million,

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Speaker 6: I mean, this is just economic stupidity. It's just nuts.

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Speaker 6: It's completely much. You've got a nine billion dollar debt.

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Speaker 6: Why wouldn't you just retire some debt?

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Speaker 1: Well, the thing that I find quite astonishing, and I

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Speaker 1: He certainly hasn't been a turncoat when it comes to

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Speaker 1: I think you'd have to say, is this pay freese

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Speaker 1: hang on a second. Now, we're going to give you

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Speaker 1: this extra thirty thirty million dollars. Wouldn't that be thirty

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Speaker 2: I know that.

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Speaker 1: You know that, Dave, You've said it could just be

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Speaker 5: Debt, paying off debt.

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Speaker 6: But the other side of the coin, I mean, let's

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Speaker 6: What about those businesses out there they've actually laid off

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Speaker 5: That are the drivers of the economy.

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Speaker 4: And guess who drives the economy more than anyone. Twenty

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Speaker 6: Twenty four public service workers are paid for by the taxpayer.

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Speaker 3: They spend their they're paid for that spend their money

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Speaker 6: But that's what they call churnste It doesn't do anything

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Speaker 1: There is no doubt that this is something that it's

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Speaker 1: actually firing the community up as much as it's firing

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Speaker 2: Up, and I think fair enough.

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Speaker 1: You know, you've got public servants who've been working on

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Speaker 1: actually deserve to receive a pay increase every year rather

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Speaker 4: think Kay Densley and the others that have gone into

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Speaker 4: They'll be so impressed with the union. They should have

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Speaker 3: You've got free.

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Speaker 5: Under do you know the.

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Speaker 1: But I think that, you know, the real kick in

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Speaker 2: The public service. That's why it's pissing people off.

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Speaker 3: Well, I bet you what.

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Speaker 4: All the stuff that senior and middle management and public

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Speaker 1: Former Northern Territory Treasurer sitting over in the corner there,

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Speaker 4: Well, I just love the way he goes on about

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Speaker 3: I'm Treasurer.

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Speaker 6: But let's understand this, right, the territory doesn't pay its

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Speaker 5: Think it's okay to give public service.

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Speaker 4: The deficit election of twenty twelve, when Tiny Abbott said

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Speaker 5: Right well, S Freedenburg was in parliament. Joe Hockey was

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Speaker 6: In two thy and sixteen, right two thousand and sixteen,

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Speaker 6: Right in two thousand and seven, we had one hundred

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Speaker 2: Be well on that.

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Speaker 5: And that just cannot continue.

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Speaker 1: That is just written nut on that very bright nighte

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Speaker 1: We are going to have to take a short break.

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Speaker 1: You are listening to next one oh four point nines

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Speaker 3: I love it. It's about he just doesn't like public servants.

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Speaker 3: Or the luncheon.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, well definitely. Hey, let's talk about this first,

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Speaker 2: because our listeners don't care about you two getting a

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Speaker 3: If you ever get what's been a decade.

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Speaker 5: Raise something like that in the first.

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Speaker 3: Waiting for ten years. There's more than one one blood mean.

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Speaker 1: The coalition is split over One Nation Leader Pauline Hanson's

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Speaker 2: Now, despite the five.

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Speaker 1: At this point, I asked her whether she's sort of

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Speaker 3: Forty four to five good decision. Well, looks.

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Speaker 6: I mean, at the end of the day, somebody's got

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Speaker 6: You're losing four hundred public service and you know now

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Speaker 3: The liberals. The liberals will the Liberals will say that they're.

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Speaker 4: A broad church and people have the right to voice

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Speaker 4: There shouldn't be interesting.

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Speaker 6: You didn't get sacked and the Liberal Party for crossing

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Speaker 4: Well, there's been some labor people that haven't been sacked

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Speaker 5: And well when the marrying scrim deal, we.

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Speaker 4: Have a lot enough, but we won't drag that up.

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Speaker 4: But we could one day, we could talk about that.

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Speaker 4: But yeah, I'm making Katie is the Liberal government, the

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Speaker 1: Well, and we did actually speak to Greg Hunt yesterday.

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Speaker 6: been an issue that's dragged more people out on them.

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Speaker 6: They tell me there was something like three hundred thousand

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Speaker 1: You know, there was a find funny is that obviously

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Speaker 1: there is these large numbers of people that are marching.

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Speaker 1: But then when you look got the vaccine numbers, you know,

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Speaker 1: even for the first in the Northern Territory we're at

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Speaker 1: like ninety two percent.

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Speaker 6: There's a whole whack of people marching that. You know,

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Speaker 6: they've got no problem being vaccinated, they just don't think

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Speaker 6: it should be mandatory and they see that as a

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Speaker 6: form of fascism. And good on them for marching large

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Speaker 6: largely peaceful protests, you know. I mean, it's not like

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Speaker 6: the Black Lives Matter process protest.

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Speaker 1: There was one here that wasn't peaceful to under that's right.

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Speaker 2: There was people launching police officers in Melbourne.

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Speaker 1: There was.

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Speaker 2: Bloody.

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Speaker 4: The government of the dates made the mandate. Officers are

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Speaker 4: enforcing the rules of the day and they shouldn't have

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Speaker 4: urine and others.

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Speaker 2: That's exactly right, which is.

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Speaker 5: No one can that sort of exactly.

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Speaker 6: But in the main the protests have been rather peaceful

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Speaker 6: and and there's been but the point is that lots

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Speaker 4: Some of the protest people remember that large lessons take

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Speaker 4: the kids to protest, and they know that there's going

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Speaker 4: to be Haley.

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Speaker 6: Those people have been their views has been largely unrepresented

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Speaker 6: in Parliament. The Liberals, along with Labor have chosen to

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Speaker 6: in a lot of cases vilify these people. People referred

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Speaker 6: to idiots, turkeys, minority splinter groups, neo Nazi skin heads,

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Speaker 6: far right extremists. You know, they've picked up every defamatory

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Speaker 6: label they can.

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Speaker 1: For I've been called a Nazi for saying that I've

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Speaker 1: been vaccinated, and for telling people that, you know, I

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Speaker 1: think I believe the science and that I think people

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Speaker 1: should be vaccinated. So I would say that while they've

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Speaker 1: maybe been called names, I certainly have been and.

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Speaker 3: I really that's exactly right.

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Speaker 1: Name calling is actually getting and some of what's being said,

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Speaker 1: he's actually getting disgusting.

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Speaker 6: It's getting really absolutely ridiculous, and and it's you know,

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Speaker 6: I think everybody just needs to take a breath. Every

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Speaker 6: time I pick up the n ten years you sort

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Speaker 6: of read an article about how stupid these people are

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Speaker 6: for protesting to protest, you know, but in the main,

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Speaker 6: the media is bagged the daylights out of these people,

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Speaker 6: the media, the politicians and the like. That being said,

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Speaker 6: there's still thousands and thousands of people all over the

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Speaker 6: country marching, and somebody should be putting their hand up

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Speaker 6: to represent them. And at the moment, the only ones

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Speaker 6: you're seeing are the minor parties.

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Speaker 2: You know, where the we are running out nations.

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Speaker 3: The client so we can just get back to we.

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Speaker 2: Have run out of time.

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Speaker 1: Well, I tell you what, it is always great to

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Speaker 1: see you both a discussion, wonderful to have the Big

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Speaker 1: Issues back on.

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Speaker 6: The luck with his November although he's not even raising

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Speaker 6: money for men's health or anything.

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Speaker 3: Well conversations. Absolutely.

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Speaker 4: It's coming into Christmas and we seem to get hit

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Speaker 4: plenty with donation buckets coming past constantly.

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Speaker 3: So it wasn't about raising money. It was about raising

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Speaker 3: a warneness.

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Speaker 2: Which I think is a great thing to do.

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Speaker 1: Damien Hale, Dave Tolner, thank you both so very much

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Speaker 1: for your time this morning.

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Speaker 2: We talked to you again very soon.

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Speaker 1: With that was the Big Issues right here on Mix

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Speaker 1: one oh four point nine