1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:03,360 Speaker 1: Well, as we know, there has been those shocking revelations 2 00:00:03,400 --> 00:00:07,360 Speaker 1: of racist awards in the Northern Territori's ICAC investigation into 3 00:00:07,360 --> 00:00:12,120 Speaker 1: allegations of racism within the TRG, one bearing the words 4 00:00:12,600 --> 00:00:16,000 Speaker 1: the most Sea Like Barbecue Ever, and the other is 5 00:00:16,040 --> 00:00:19,439 Speaker 1: titled the Noonguta Award with an image of an Aboriginal 6 00:00:19,440 --> 00:00:23,200 Speaker 1: man lying face down surrounded by beer cants. The commissioner, 7 00:00:23,239 --> 00:00:26,360 Speaker 1: the K Commissioner, Michael Richards, believes both are from within 8 00:00:26,440 --> 00:00:28,680 Speaker 1: the TRG from around two thousand and seven. 9 00:00:28,720 --> 00:00:30,040 Speaker 2: As I understand now. 10 00:00:30,040 --> 00:00:33,040 Speaker 1: The opposition leader Lea Finocchiaro joins me in the studio. 11 00:00:33,120 --> 00:00:34,040 Speaker 2: Good morning to you, Leah. 12 00:00:34,120 --> 00:00:36,360 Speaker 3: Good wanting Katie, and to your listeners, Lea, what is. 13 00:00:36,360 --> 00:00:38,080 Speaker 2: Your reaction to these findings. 14 00:00:38,720 --> 00:00:42,560 Speaker 4: Certainly it's you know, it's it's definitely not good, Katie. 15 00:00:42,600 --> 00:00:45,760 Speaker 4: It's definitely not a good thing. But ultimately we're talking 16 00:00:45,760 --> 00:00:49,400 Speaker 4: about nearly twenty years ago. We know our police work 17 00:00:49,560 --> 00:00:52,720 Speaker 4: very very hard in every part of our community. There 18 00:00:52,720 --> 00:00:54,440 Speaker 4: are people who do the right thing and people who 19 00:00:54,480 --> 00:00:56,560 Speaker 4: do the wrong thing, and I just don't want this 20 00:00:56,680 --> 00:00:59,680 Speaker 4: to be something that really is dragging down our in 21 00:00:59,760 --> 00:01:02,680 Speaker 4: time police force. I know the IK Commissioner put out 22 00:01:02,680 --> 00:01:04,800 Speaker 4: a statement I think it was late last week that 23 00:01:04,880 --> 00:01:08,520 Speaker 4: said since twenty sixteen, he hadn't found any evidence of 24 00:01:08,560 --> 00:01:11,039 Speaker 4: this type of thing going forward. And so I just 25 00:01:11,120 --> 00:01:13,600 Speaker 4: want the territory police to know that we support them 26 00:01:13,640 --> 00:01:16,000 Speaker 4: and that I certainly do not believe in any way, 27 00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:17,800 Speaker 4: shape or form that this is systemic. 28 00:01:18,640 --> 00:01:21,000 Speaker 1: I mean, what do you think needs to happen though, 29 00:01:21,120 --> 00:01:24,759 Speaker 1: in an effort to rebuild the reputation to some within 30 00:01:24,800 --> 00:01:28,080 Speaker 1: the community, because you know, when it comes to relationships 31 00:01:28,080 --> 00:01:30,039 Speaker 1: with that regional people right now, a lot of what 32 00:01:30,080 --> 00:01:32,679 Speaker 1: they would be hearing that'd be quite mortified by. 33 00:01:32,880 --> 00:01:33,560 Speaker 2: I'm assuming. 34 00:01:35,080 --> 00:01:37,760 Speaker 4: I'm sure you're right, Katie. I think the reality is 35 00:01:37,800 --> 00:01:39,760 Speaker 4: this was a very long time ago, though, and there's 36 00:01:39,800 --> 00:01:42,760 Speaker 4: no evidence that things like this are happening anymore. That 37 00:01:42,800 --> 00:01:46,400 Speaker 4: doesn't excuse the behavior, but I think context is really important. 38 00:01:46,400 --> 00:01:49,400 Speaker 3: You know, twenty years ago, so going forward, you know, 39 00:01:49,480 --> 00:01:50,920 Speaker 3: we know our police, Like what. 40 00:01:50,880 --> 00:01:52,560 Speaker 2: Kind of context sort of makes it okay? 41 00:01:52,920 --> 00:01:54,280 Speaker 3: No, No context makes it okay. 42 00:01:54,360 --> 00:01:56,520 Speaker 4: I'm saying, like, when we talk about our police today, 43 00:01:56,600 --> 00:01:59,240 Speaker 4: we can't pretend like our police today are the same 44 00:01:59,240 --> 00:02:00,600 Speaker 4: police they were years ago. 45 00:02:00,640 --> 00:02:01,360 Speaker 3: That's all I meant. 46 00:02:01,400 --> 00:02:06,160 Speaker 4: No context around the actual awards and things like that. Okay, 47 00:02:06,200 --> 00:02:09,200 Speaker 4: so you know, what we know is that our police 48 00:02:09,360 --> 00:02:12,880 Speaker 4: work incredibly hard. We've got a fantastic force that is 49 00:02:12,919 --> 00:02:15,440 Speaker 4: out there trying to keep people safe, doing everything they 50 00:02:15,480 --> 00:02:18,520 Speaker 4: can with the limited resources they have. And so I 51 00:02:18,560 --> 00:02:21,120 Speaker 4: think again, it's just you know, the sooner all of 52 00:02:21,120 --> 00:02:23,320 Speaker 4: this can be brought to a close and findings made, 53 00:02:23,400 --> 00:02:25,760 Speaker 4: the better because it will allow our police, who work 54 00:02:25,880 --> 00:02:28,120 Speaker 4: very hard every single day, to move forward. 55 00:02:28,200 --> 00:02:30,520 Speaker 1: So do you think that they can be like or 56 00:02:30,560 --> 00:02:32,520 Speaker 1: do you think that there does need to be further 57 00:02:32,600 --> 00:02:35,000 Speaker 1: work done to try and build those relationships or do 58 00:02:35,080 --> 00:02:36,680 Speaker 1: you think that they're as fractured as. 59 00:02:38,160 --> 00:02:39,640 Speaker 2: You know, as what some may believe. 60 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:43,000 Speaker 4: No, I don't think so that's certainly not the feedback 61 00:02:43,040 --> 00:02:45,320 Speaker 4: I get when I'm talking to Aboriginal people out on 62 00:02:45,360 --> 00:02:48,639 Speaker 4: community or when I'm talking to police. There are very 63 00:02:48,720 --> 00:02:51,440 Speaker 4: very close relationships out there, because of course, when you 64 00:02:51,480 --> 00:02:54,160 Speaker 4: have police working in community, you know it's a small place. 65 00:02:54,280 --> 00:02:55,440 Speaker 3: Everyone knows each other. 66 00:02:56,200 --> 00:02:58,960 Speaker 4: Those police are on call basically twenty four hours, seven 67 00:02:59,040 --> 00:02:59,760 Speaker 4: days a week. 68 00:03:00,320 --> 00:03:02,600 Speaker 3: They're out there helping umpire the footy on the. 69 00:03:02,560 --> 00:03:07,360 Speaker 4: Weekend, and you know, everyone's living together. So I certainly 70 00:03:07,360 --> 00:03:09,680 Speaker 4: don't see this as being some sort of major rift 71 00:03:09,760 --> 00:03:12,160 Speaker 4: or divide. What I do think is that it should 72 00:03:12,160 --> 00:03:15,840 Speaker 4: all be concluded as swiftly as possible because this only further, 73 00:03:16,320 --> 00:03:19,200 Speaker 4: you know, causes a lot of you know, distress for 74 00:03:19,240 --> 00:03:21,240 Speaker 4: our police who are out there just trying to get 75 00:03:21,280 --> 00:03:21,880 Speaker 4: on with the job. 76 00:03:22,200 --> 00:03:24,480 Speaker 1: Now, I want to move along slightly. Last week, we 77 00:03:24,560 --> 00:03:27,280 Speaker 1: know that that curfew legislation passed in the Parliament and 78 00:03:27,320 --> 00:03:30,480 Speaker 1: some are questioning what kind of situations going to constitute 79 00:03:30,480 --> 00:03:33,280 Speaker 1: a curfew being called again? After things fled up in 80 00:03:33,320 --> 00:03:36,320 Speaker 1: Alice Springs. Now there was many large disturbances as we know, 81 00:03:36,760 --> 00:03:40,240 Speaker 1: involving weapons in Alice on the weekend. Multiple people were 82 00:03:40,320 --> 00:03:43,280 Speaker 1: injured and the car was set alight. Would you have 83 00:03:43,280 --> 00:03:45,480 Speaker 1: thought that this would be a situation where a curfew 84 00:03:45,680 --> 00:03:46,680 Speaker 1: was potentially called? 85 00:03:46,840 --> 00:03:51,440 Speaker 4: Absolutely, And it just reinforces how ridiculous this government is 86 00:03:51,520 --> 00:03:54,400 Speaker 4: being and trying to save face and look like they're 87 00:03:54,400 --> 00:03:57,520 Speaker 4: doing something on law and order. We just passed curfew 88 00:03:57,640 --> 00:04:02,920 Speaker 4: legislation and then this weekend we've had riding in the street, weapons, 89 00:04:03,040 --> 00:04:06,400 Speaker 4: cars set on fire and this government hasn't called a curfew. 90 00:04:06,760 --> 00:04:09,760 Speaker 4: And what's really important about piece of feel listeners to 91 00:04:09,840 --> 00:04:13,880 Speaker 4: understand about this curfew legislation is it doesn't create a consequence. 92 00:04:13,920 --> 00:04:16,520 Speaker 4: So again, we would have liked to see some sort 93 00:04:16,520 --> 00:04:20,240 Speaker 4: of referral pathways. If a young person continues to breach 94 00:04:20,279 --> 00:04:22,640 Speaker 4: the curfew and our police just have to keep dropping 95 00:04:22,680 --> 00:04:25,719 Speaker 4: them back over the imaginary line, we'd like to see 96 00:04:25,720 --> 00:04:30,080 Speaker 4: that a referral to a boot camp and certainly into 97 00:04:30,760 --> 00:04:32,960 Speaker 4: discussing with the family what's going on at home. 98 00:04:33,040 --> 00:04:35,119 Speaker 2: I guess a difficult situation at the moment. 99 00:04:35,120 --> 00:04:37,480 Speaker 1: Though. It's from my understanding with that legislation is it's 100 00:04:37,560 --> 00:04:39,720 Speaker 1: no longer the government that would call that curfew, it's 101 00:04:39,760 --> 00:04:42,560 Speaker 1: actually the Police Commissioner that will call that curfew. You 102 00:04:42,600 --> 00:04:45,880 Speaker 1: would think that he's probably hesitant to I mean to 103 00:04:45,960 --> 00:04:49,240 Speaker 1: some degree to really make that judgment call. The first 104 00:04:49,279 --> 00:04:51,640 Speaker 1: time ever, I know that the legislation has been passed 105 00:04:52,080 --> 00:04:54,440 Speaker 1: without putting words in Michael Murphy, the Commissioner's mouth. 106 00:04:54,560 --> 00:04:57,640 Speaker 4: Well, I think the reality is this Katie government was 107 00:04:57,680 --> 00:05:00,000 Speaker 4: having a very bad week two weeks ago in part 108 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:03,520 Speaker 4: elament after their disastrous budget, and what they needed was 109 00:05:03,560 --> 00:05:06,040 Speaker 4: to change the conversation. So out of nowhere it came 110 00:05:06,120 --> 00:05:09,320 Speaker 4: curfew legislation, which I think they just thought up overnight. 111 00:05:09,440 --> 00:05:12,080 Speaker 4: There was never any intention to bring that to Parliament 112 00:05:12,279 --> 00:05:14,559 Speaker 4: in the last two weeks. And so what we're seeing 113 00:05:14,600 --> 00:05:17,039 Speaker 4: is policy on the run, which means probably the Police 114 00:05:17,080 --> 00:05:19,000 Speaker 4: Commissioner hasn't been briefed on how. 115 00:05:18,800 --> 00:05:19,839 Speaker 3: To use his powers. 116 00:05:20,480 --> 00:05:23,440 Speaker 4: And again we've got the government, you know, evil Lawla's 117 00:05:23,480 --> 00:05:26,000 Speaker 4: out there trying to talk tough and own all the 118 00:05:26,040 --> 00:05:28,599 Speaker 4: decisions of this government. Well, where was her direction to 119 00:05:28,680 --> 00:05:30,880 Speaker 4: the Police commissioner to implement the curfew. 120 00:05:30,920 --> 00:05:33,039 Speaker 3: It wasn't there, and neither did the Police Minister. 121 00:05:33,200 --> 00:05:36,039 Speaker 4: So this is a government really desperate to paint a 122 00:05:36,080 --> 00:05:39,040 Speaker 4: picture of Look at us. We've got curfew legislation, but 123 00:05:39,080 --> 00:05:41,000 Speaker 4: what's the point of it if it doesn't deliver a 124 00:05:41,040 --> 00:05:44,520 Speaker 4: consequence to the young person or actually get called in 125 00:05:44,560 --> 00:05:45,159 Speaker 4: the first place. 126 00:05:45,240 --> 00:05:47,520 Speaker 1: Well, look, we have got Brent Potter on in around 127 00:05:47,520 --> 00:05:49,800 Speaker 1: twenty minutes or around ten minutes time, so we'll talk. 128 00:05:49,680 --> 00:05:50,839 Speaker 2: Further about that with him. 129 00:05:51,160 --> 00:05:54,360 Speaker 1: Now. Look, one area which has caused serious issues over 130 00:05:54,400 --> 00:05:57,440 Speaker 1: the Northern Territory, well right across the Northern Territory is 131 00:05:57,520 --> 00:06:01,239 Speaker 1: indeed alcohol. The government's moving to get alcohol management plans 132 00:06:01,279 --> 00:06:04,920 Speaker 1: developed for dry communities with social clubs being considered. Is 133 00:06:04,960 --> 00:06:07,320 Speaker 1: something is this something that the CLP supports. Well. 134 00:06:07,360 --> 00:06:10,680 Speaker 4: The CLP has been a large supporter of social clubs 135 00:06:10,920 --> 00:06:15,719 Speaker 4: for all of time, Katie. We know their communities running 136 00:06:15,760 --> 00:06:21,040 Speaker 4: their own social clubs, having community control around alcohol, working 137 00:06:21,200 --> 00:06:24,400 Speaker 4: very very well. This is something that I think Territorians 138 00:06:24,440 --> 00:06:26,960 Speaker 4: assumed Labor were working on in the lead up to 139 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:27,520 Speaker 4: the end. 140 00:06:27,480 --> 00:06:30,159 Speaker 3: Of Stronger Futures. But of course what we then saw 141 00:06:30,240 --> 00:06:31,040 Speaker 3: was Stronger Futures. 142 00:06:31,240 --> 00:06:33,320 Speaker 2: We're told like right from then that it was something 143 00:06:33,320 --> 00:06:34,360 Speaker 2: that was on. 144 00:06:34,400 --> 00:06:36,080 Speaker 1: I mean, I will say though that I know that 145 00:06:36,120 --> 00:06:38,080 Speaker 1: the Labor Party will say to me, and this is 146 00:06:38,080 --> 00:06:40,560 Speaker 1: something that they've said in the past that when the 147 00:06:40,600 --> 00:06:43,839 Speaker 1: Coalition was in power federally that they certainly could have 148 00:06:43,880 --> 00:06:46,359 Speaker 1: signed orf on some of these different management plans in 149 00:06:46,440 --> 00:06:49,560 Speaker 1: remote communities and didn't. 150 00:06:49,839 --> 00:06:51,080 Speaker 2: So what do you say to. 151 00:06:51,040 --> 00:06:54,880 Speaker 4: That, Oh, I say that, you know, blame shifting doesn't 152 00:06:54,880 --> 00:06:55,719 Speaker 4: advance the course. 153 00:06:55,839 --> 00:06:56,080 Speaker 3: Right. 154 00:06:56,160 --> 00:06:58,480 Speaker 4: So at the end of the day, you've now got 155 00:06:58,560 --> 00:07:01,200 Speaker 4: Brent Potter coming out and saying, oh, yep, I'm getting 156 00:07:01,240 --> 00:07:01,600 Speaker 4: this done. 157 00:07:01,680 --> 00:07:04,080 Speaker 3: There's forty seven we've got to do it faster. 158 00:07:04,240 --> 00:07:07,680 Speaker 4: Well, you've been in power for eight years and of 159 00:07:07,720 --> 00:07:10,560 Speaker 4: course nothing has happened. We know that Stronger futures ended 160 00:07:10,600 --> 00:07:13,160 Speaker 4: and the government had not started that. 161 00:07:13,200 --> 00:07:15,160 Speaker 3: Consultation with communities. 162 00:07:15,440 --> 00:07:17,920 Speaker 4: Now we're seeing, you know, we had to see stronger 163 00:07:17,960 --> 00:07:21,960 Speaker 4: futures brought back in after carnage and destruction and untold 164 00:07:22,040 --> 00:07:25,440 Speaker 4: damage to people's lives. And so now going forward, this government, 165 00:07:25,560 --> 00:07:28,000 Speaker 4: with three months to an election, is trying to somehow 166 00:07:28,080 --> 00:07:31,720 Speaker 4: process alcohol management plans, which is sending red flags up 167 00:07:31,720 --> 00:07:34,920 Speaker 4: for everyone, because of course, alcohol fueled violence has not 168 00:07:35,040 --> 00:07:38,600 Speaker 4: been something this government has been successful at addressing. In fact, 169 00:07:38,640 --> 00:07:41,680 Speaker 4: they've disempowered our police on alcohol and no one trusts 170 00:07:41,720 --> 00:07:42,320 Speaker 4: them to deliver. 171 00:07:42,480 --> 00:07:45,000 Speaker 1: Well, look, not everybody's obviously going to agree. I've got 172 00:07:45,000 --> 00:07:47,000 Speaker 1: a message that's just come through here or read part 173 00:07:47,040 --> 00:07:49,320 Speaker 1: of it. It says alcohol and community is God help 174 00:07:49,360 --> 00:07:53,280 Speaker 1: those poor women and kids, and it says, you know, 175 00:07:53,360 --> 00:07:56,600 Speaker 1: without a strong police presence, the community doesn't want to 176 00:07:56,640 --> 00:07:57,520 Speaker 1: have to deal with this. 177 00:07:58,480 --> 00:07:59,840 Speaker 2: And you know they're. 178 00:07:59,640 --> 00:08:03,080 Speaker 1: Shaking their heads at alcohol being implemented in some remote 179 00:08:03,120 --> 00:08:05,800 Speaker 1: communities if you don't have a great enough police presence 180 00:08:05,880 --> 00:08:08,000 Speaker 1: to deal with the potential ramifications. 181 00:08:08,160 --> 00:08:10,440 Speaker 4: Sure, and with respect to your listener, I mean it's 182 00:08:10,440 --> 00:08:12,520 Speaker 4: not for people who don't live in those communities to 183 00:08:12,560 --> 00:08:16,000 Speaker 4: make decisions for that community. What we do need to do, though, 184 00:08:16,040 --> 00:08:18,120 Speaker 4: is make sure that the process is robust and that 185 00:08:18,160 --> 00:08:20,720 Speaker 4: it's not a few of the loudest people, that there's 186 00:08:20,840 --> 00:08:23,280 Speaker 4: well and truly a majority. I mean, I've heard the 187 00:08:23,360 --> 00:08:26,400 Speaker 4: number of sixty percent be bandied around. I think it 188 00:08:26,480 --> 00:08:28,880 Speaker 4: needs to be even higher than that, and there needs 189 00:08:28,920 --> 00:08:31,640 Speaker 4: to be responsible management. But at the end of the day, 190 00:08:31,640 --> 00:08:35,600 Speaker 4: alcohol is a legal product. People are undertaking very risky 191 00:08:35,640 --> 00:08:38,280 Speaker 4: behavior to come to town to access it, and why 192 00:08:38,320 --> 00:08:41,600 Speaker 4: shouldn't someone who's worked a long, hard day out in 193 00:08:41,640 --> 00:08:44,200 Speaker 4: peerl and Gimpia, wherever it might be, then go to 194 00:08:44,240 --> 00:08:46,440 Speaker 4: the pub for a couple of mid strength beers. It's 195 00:08:46,480 --> 00:08:49,640 Speaker 4: a salpiece plant in this space. We want to continue 196 00:08:49,679 --> 00:08:53,520 Speaker 4: those conversations with communities. It's entirely voluntary, but we know 197 00:08:53,600 --> 00:08:56,199 Speaker 4: it's worked really well for a very very long time 198 00:08:56,280 --> 00:08:59,280 Speaker 4: in many communities across the territory, and so this is 199 00:08:59,280 --> 00:09:02,160 Speaker 4: something we're very focused on. But equally, unlike labor, we 200 00:09:02,240 --> 00:09:05,320 Speaker 4: have measures to address demand for alcohol. So that's where 201 00:09:05,400 --> 00:09:10,120 Speaker 4: compulsory alcohol treatment comes in for chronically affected alcoholics. That's 202 00:09:10,160 --> 00:09:12,520 Speaker 4: why we will give police better powers to do with 203 00:09:12,559 --> 00:09:15,440 Speaker 4: public drinking and problem drunks and so it's not a 204 00:09:15,559 --> 00:09:18,240 Speaker 4: one solution. This is a suite of measures that are 205 00:09:18,280 --> 00:09:21,199 Speaker 4: going to drive down alcohol fuel violence across the territory. 206 00:09:21,520 --> 00:09:24,120 Speaker 1: Do you think that it will then in turn make 207 00:09:24,160 --> 00:09:26,960 Speaker 1: a difference where you won't see people traveling to town 208 00:09:27,040 --> 00:09:29,960 Speaker 1: centers like Alice, Spring, Starwin, even Catherine to get their 209 00:09:29,960 --> 00:09:30,800 Speaker 1: hands on alcohol. 210 00:09:31,160 --> 00:09:33,280 Speaker 4: People will always travel, but I think we'll see a 211 00:09:33,280 --> 00:09:35,920 Speaker 4: lot less of it because and then we'll also see 212 00:09:35,920 --> 00:09:39,120 Speaker 4: a reduction in risky behaviors. For example, if people are 213 00:09:39,120 --> 00:09:42,280 Speaker 4: traveling one hundred kilometers to the nearest bottle shops, say, 214 00:09:42,640 --> 00:09:45,319 Speaker 4: and then they're drinking, and then they're driving, We've then 215 00:09:45,360 --> 00:09:48,080 Speaker 4: got risk on our road. So there's risk all in 216 00:09:48,120 --> 00:09:51,680 Speaker 4: every space that you move, there's risk. By ensuring that 217 00:09:51,760 --> 00:09:54,280 Speaker 4: people can walk from home, have a couple of drinks, 218 00:09:54,320 --> 00:09:58,439 Speaker 4: have a meal, socialize that you can have the police there, 219 00:09:58,480 --> 00:10:02,439 Speaker 4: you can have a family support their discussing issues. Communities 220 00:10:02,440 --> 00:10:04,920 Speaker 4: able to resolve a lot over a beer, which I 221 00:10:04,920 --> 00:10:07,480 Speaker 4: think a lot of your listeners would relate to that. 222 00:10:07,559 --> 00:10:09,280 Speaker 4: You know, you can get a lot done and you 223 00:10:09,320 --> 00:10:12,840 Speaker 4: can resolve a lot of issues. So it's definitely the 224 00:10:12,880 --> 00:10:15,920 Speaker 4: way forward. It doesn't answer all of the problems, but 225 00:10:16,000 --> 00:10:18,000 Speaker 4: of course, it's just one in a number of suite 226 00:10:18,240 --> 00:10:19,959 Speaker 4: of measures the COLP has all. 227 00:10:19,800 --> 00:10:21,760 Speaker 1: Right, Lea, there's quite a bit to still get through, 228 00:10:21,800 --> 00:10:24,600 Speaker 1: so I want to get cracking. The IKAK, in a 229 00:10:24,640 --> 00:10:27,640 Speaker 1: separate report, made no findings against the former Chief Minister 230 00:10:27,679 --> 00:10:31,080 Speaker 1: Michael Gunner, following investigations into three trips that he made 231 00:10:31,120 --> 00:10:34,480 Speaker 1: to remote communities on chartered flights during polling for the 232 00:10:34,480 --> 00:10:38,400 Speaker 1: twenty twenty election. Now, it is perplexing to most of 233 00:10:38,520 --> 00:10:40,800 Speaker 1: us reading that report that when you read through the 234 00:10:40,840 --> 00:10:45,120 Speaker 1: spending and what happened, well you know that there weren't 235 00:10:45,280 --> 00:10:49,080 Speaker 1: further findings. But what we do know is that the 236 00:10:49,120 --> 00:10:53,559 Speaker 1: Eyekak has obviously released quite an extensive report. Firstly, what 237 00:10:53,559 --> 00:10:55,120 Speaker 1: do you make of the fact that there was no 238 00:10:55,280 --> 00:10:58,280 Speaker 1: findings against the former Chief Minister and any of his staff. 239 00:10:58,800 --> 00:11:02,520 Speaker 4: I think territory and is sort of wondering what's happened here. 240 00:11:02,559 --> 00:11:03,920 Speaker 4: It's taken a very long time.