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Speaker 1: This is a podcast about failure with me Lola Berry, author, nutritionist,

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Speaker 1: and yoga teacher join me as we get to know

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Speaker 1: these guests and learn about how their failures have ultimately

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Speaker 1: shaped their dreams. Welcome to Fearlessly Failing with Lolaberry. Hello,

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Speaker 1: and welcome to this week's episode of Fearlessly Failing. We've

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Speaker 1: got an Aussie actor for you today, Alex Cubis. He's

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Speaker 1: episode via zoom, but he is Sydney born and raised.

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Speaker 1: He's super smart. He's got a law degree on top

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Speaker 1: of all the acting. Plus he writes, he produces, his

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Speaker 1: go his own production company. This guys all about not

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Speaker 1: needing to stay in one lane and that's why he

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Speaker 1: kind of wears all these different hats. He's really inspiring,

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Speaker 1: he's really honest. He's recently been in Channel sevens between

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Speaker 1: on life. So I hope you feel inspired by this

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Speaker 1: creative chat today with Alex. And just a quick ps,

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Speaker 1: we've got a new Friday episode that's just launched and

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Speaker 1: that's a diary entry from Byron Bass, So don't forget

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Speaker 1: to tune in Friday for our second episode of the week.

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Speaker 1: Hello and welcome to the podcast, Alex Cubis. I am

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Speaker 1: really pumped to have you on here today because you

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Speaker 1: are that oussy Sydney boy that has gone to Ala

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Speaker 1: to chase the American acting dream. Am I right?

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Speaker 2: I guess? So is that do you mean like the

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Speaker 2: oussy Sydney boy lads, because that's like the archetype. It's

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Speaker 1: But what I loved about your story is you kind

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Speaker 1: of chased law like that, a full degree in law

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Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, which helped me sort of create or understand

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Speaker 2: it was before I had an agent. But I worked

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Speaker 1: Oh wow, question this is going this is going back

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Speaker 1: a little bit. Is it true that you were ducks

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm a Loretto girl, Like, oh, no, where you are?

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Speaker 1: Very much, and your character Eric you legit had to

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's an interesting acting experience because that

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Speaker 1: And I think as well, like I know, it sounds

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Speaker 1: So cool. I mean, it's just so cool that, like

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Speaker 2: You know, I love like the process. Like I've been

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll start off with the audition process. That was

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Speaker 2: with a friends called Rachel Blumberg, and that's that film

436
00:21:45,320 --> 00:21:48,040
Speaker 2: project is called Rocketman. So I guess that's how you know,

437
00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:51,800
Speaker 2: the casting directors came to know me. And then the audition,

438
00:21:51,920 --> 00:21:53,520
Speaker 2: you know, I got the script. I read it on

439
00:21:53,560 --> 00:21:55,960
Speaker 2: the plane there. I was like, well, there's no chance

440
00:21:55,960 --> 00:22:00,040
Speaker 2: for me to really quote unquote rehearse this, so I

441
00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:02,159
Speaker 2: picked up the air Cortos went straight to the audition,

442
00:22:02,280 --> 00:22:05,760
Speaker 2: and I think, I think, I think at that point

443
00:22:05,800 --> 00:22:09,120
Speaker 2: like I was sort of I wasn't overacting at all,

444
00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:11,840
Speaker 2: but I was I was maybe again considering like maybe

445
00:22:11,920 --> 00:22:14,720
Speaker 2: scaling my business or going into production a little bit

446
00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:18,399
Speaker 2: more so, or development. And I think that combination of

447
00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:23,280
Speaker 2: all of that allowed, you know, things to happen more

448
00:22:23,359 --> 00:22:26,720
Speaker 2: naturally because I'm just learning, as all actors have to do,

449
00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:28,640
Speaker 2: learn to let it go and not care as much,

450
00:22:28,760 --> 00:22:30,720
Speaker 2: which is still something I'm figuring out a day to

451
00:22:30,800 --> 00:22:31,480
Speaker 2: day basis.

452
00:22:31,640 --> 00:22:35,560
Speaker 1: They say, they say that it's that that audition. Cody

453
00:22:35,640 --> 00:22:39,440
Speaker 1: Fern talks about his audition for Assassinations. Gianni Bisacin is

454
00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:41,280
Speaker 1: like I was about to give it up, like I'd

455
00:22:41,359 --> 00:22:44,159
Speaker 1: spend my money in LA. Like I walked into the

456
00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:48,119
Speaker 1: audition and I was like, if I don't get this,

457
00:22:48,119 --> 00:22:49,840
Speaker 1: this is my sign kind of thing. And then of

458
00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:52,200
Speaker 1: course you get it, and it sounds like you'd got this,

459
00:22:52,520 --> 00:22:55,440
Speaker 1: You've got this script on the plane, you know you're

460
00:22:55,480 --> 00:22:58,160
Speaker 1: coming back for other reasons. You're like, and it almost

461
00:22:58,160 --> 00:23:00,920
Speaker 1: sounds like you were just kind of open as a host.

462
00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:03,439
Speaker 2: You know, I need you to do it wasn't it was.

463
00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:05,040
Speaker 2: It was never like a be all and end all,

464
00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:06,800
Speaker 2: And that's what I've started to sort of learn and

465
00:23:07,040 --> 00:23:10,480
Speaker 2: as well, like even when you're even when something's happening

466
00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:13,119
Speaker 2: and exciting things are happening, I've started to appreciate the

467
00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:16,000
Speaker 2: more that I do. It's just like one like I've

468
00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:19,320
Speaker 2: always known this, but life really doesn't change. And you know,

469
00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:21,280
Speaker 2: the only difference is that you're making money off of it.

470
00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:23,120
Speaker 2: But even then that doesn't change your life because as

471
00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:27,680
Speaker 2: we all know, money doesn't bring happiness. So the only

472
00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:30,159
Speaker 2: really thing that we can do is as part of

473
00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:32,840
Speaker 2: the process, I guess his care about the story and

474
00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:36,159
Speaker 2: enjoy enjoy that like that's that's the simplest way to

475
00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:37,240
Speaker 2: do it, really.

476
00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:39,920
Speaker 1: And the writer, because this was written by Bevernlee right,

477
00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:41,600
Speaker 1: who's like, yeah.

478
00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:45,600
Speaker 2: So lovely, so iconic, like so again again subscribe to

479
00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:49,720
Speaker 2: the narrative of the buzzy Sydney boy archetite like y

480
00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:53,320
Speaker 2: h h two O tick tick.

481
00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:56,880
Speaker 1: I mean he's for people listening, like back to the rafters,

482
00:23:56,880 --> 00:23:59,879
Speaker 1: winners and losers all say place to call home, like

483
00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:02,200
Speaker 1: he's done so much he's written.

484
00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:05,200
Speaker 2: He's so generous as as a person and as a creative,

485
00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:07,200
Speaker 2: like he is a person that just cares about the

486
00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:10,120
Speaker 2: story and then just wants to sort of help everyone,

487
00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:11,800
Speaker 2: you know, sort of be a part of it.

488
00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:14,919
Speaker 1: What a great experience. So okay, so you did the

489
00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:17,920
Speaker 1: audition kind of had no expectations, which I imagine is

490
00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:21,080
Speaker 1: like the magic ingredient. How long between doing that first

491
00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:23,160
Speaker 1: audition did you have to go for callbacks?

492
00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:23,280
Speaker 2: Like?

493
00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:23,840
Speaker 1: How did it go?

494
00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:25,919
Speaker 2: No? No, they actually I think they had struggled to

495
00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:28,159
Speaker 2: find the guy, so I think they I think I

496
00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:30,399
Speaker 2: got it. I've found out like the following.

497
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Speaker 1: Day, oh wonderful.

498
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Speaker 2: And I think as well, like what was very like,

499
00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:41,400
Speaker 2: you know, unordinary. But I think as well my experience

500
00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:45,119
Speaker 2: in LA I'm not sure if that sort of helped elevate,

501
00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:50,199
Speaker 2: you know, me being selected, because then it makes it

502
00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:52,160
Speaker 2: look like i'm you know, because I'm doing other things

503
00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:55,040
Speaker 2: overseas or in a different market that can also help.

504
00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:57,400
Speaker 2: And even just the lessons learned, you know that at

505
00:24:57,400 --> 00:25:01,200
Speaker 2: the table read, you know, the casting director Lee Pickford

506
00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:04,520
Speaker 2: sort of attested to that and then also commented on

507
00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:07,040
Speaker 2: how like Ozzie's and I agree, I would agree with this.

508
00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:09,320
Speaker 2: It's like an opportunity to every time I've come back

509
00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:12,119
Speaker 2: to Australia for a job. Usually they've always been like

510
00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:15,960
Speaker 2: three months stints there. It's been like an opportunity to

511
00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:18,800
Speaker 2: sort of reset and hit the reset button creatively and

512
00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:23,000
Speaker 2: come back with a different perspective, and you know, it

513
00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:25,920
Speaker 2: just sort of keeps the flow of you just going

514
00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:26,640
Speaker 2: from job to job.

515
00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:28,840
Speaker 1: At the end of the day, Yeah, totally. So how

516
00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:31,560
Speaker 1: long were you so if you got cast the next day,

517
00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:34,199
Speaker 1: when did shooting start? And how long were you shooting for?

518
00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:36,000
Speaker 1: Because all shot in Sydney, it looked.

519
00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:38,360
Speaker 2: Like it was all shot in Sydney, but actually when

520
00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:40,360
Speaker 2: it rains, it paused and I had to go back

521
00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:44,119
Speaker 2: to LA for like a couple of days or something,

522
00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:46,680
Speaker 2: maybe like a week or I can't remember, maybe it

523
00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:48,480
Speaker 2: was for like a week or something. Because that day

524
00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:53,680
Speaker 2: then I had like a a big director's session or

525
00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:57,159
Speaker 2: producer's session for for a movie, you know, like with

526
00:25:57,280 --> 00:26:00,520
Speaker 2: a with a huge actor that OBUs in my US

527
00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:03,600
Speaker 2: reps would have been really disappointed by, you know, so,

528
00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:06,760
Speaker 2: and then all of that activity just sort of it builds,

529
00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:09,760
Speaker 2: I guess, and you just allows me. Certainly, I think

530
00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:12,719
Speaker 2: I sort of I thrive more on activity, which can

531
00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:14,760
Speaker 2: be a blessing and a curse because it means when

532
00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:17,040
Speaker 2: mentum stops, I sort of freak out a little bit.

533
00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:19,520
Speaker 2: But I had to come back, you know for for

534
00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:23,120
Speaker 2: business stuff, you know, which is predominantly in LA and

535
00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:26,560
Speaker 2: you know, for those for those auditions, and then had

536
00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:28,000
Speaker 2: to you know, weigh up. I think there was a

537
00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:29,800
Speaker 2: period of like weighing up which ones we sort of

538
00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:32,480
Speaker 2: go with. But I love the story of and wanted

539
00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:35,400
Speaker 2: the chance to work in Australia again, so came back

540
00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:38,879
Speaker 2: for a couple of months to do Yeah between two worlds.

541
00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:42,359
Speaker 1: Oh wow, So I love hearing. This is what I

542
00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:45,920
Speaker 1: love about creative. Nobody's got a linear story like everything

543
00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:46,879
Speaker 1: every story.

544
00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:52,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's hard. It's so hard to accept that I

545
00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:56,680
Speaker 2: be able to be like by the same taken That

546
00:26:56,720 --> 00:26:57,439
Speaker 2: would be so boring.

547
00:26:57,600 --> 00:26:59,760
Speaker 1: So I've also read you've done a lot of theater.

548
00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:03,240
Speaker 1: Do you prefer theater or do you prefer film? What?

549
00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:04,480
Speaker 1: What medium do you prefer?

550
00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:07,879
Speaker 2: I prefer film and TV. But because I'm also not

551
00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:10,479
Speaker 2: a trained theater actor, like I sort of got random

552
00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:16,080
Speaker 2: theater opportunities just from being in Sydney, and like I'm not,

553
00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:19,080
Speaker 2: I don't I wouldn't call myself a good theater actor.

554
00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:20,960
Speaker 2: I wouldn't even know what that is. But I'd be

555
00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:24,879
Speaker 2: really interested to actually, like, eventually, do you know, do

556
00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:27,160
Speaker 2: come back to Australia. I'd love to do like an

557
00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:34,159
Speaker 2: STC show or show on Broadway about I'm interested at

558
00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:37,000
Speaker 2: the moment in stories about like you know, grief and

559
00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:41,359
Speaker 2: power dynamics and things like that. So I'm starting to appreciate,

560
00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:43,440
Speaker 2: you know, the details of that a little bit more.

561
00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:46,960
Speaker 2: And I don't think that it's the medium doesn't really matter.

562
00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:50,159
Speaker 2: And I think that the more stuff that people do

563
00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:53,199
Speaker 2: over zoom, you realize that stuff can be done even creatively,

564
00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:57,120
Speaker 2: so you know, eventually I like to do that. But

565
00:27:57,160 --> 00:27:59,040
Speaker 2: predominantly my interest is in film, just because being on

566
00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:01,359
Speaker 2: a set so far on the page is quite quick,

567
00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:01,639
Speaker 2: you know.

568
00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:05,040
Speaker 1: I agree, And I feel like, so where I study

569
00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:11,200
Speaker 1: at school, it's theater studying sixteenth Street, so awesome. Teat

570
00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:13,960
Speaker 1: of acting is in Sinclair, who is like pretty mega

571
00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:18,160
Speaker 1: in the theater world in Australia MTC stuff, and he

572
00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:20,480
Speaker 1: is wonderful his British kind of like comes from a

573
00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:23,119
Speaker 1: British background. So we really work kind of like on

574
00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:26,040
Speaker 1: that methodology. But all of last year, because all of

575
00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:28,879
Speaker 1: last time, because our school went to Zoom. We had

576
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:30,560
Speaker 1: a lot of LA teachers, so it was more like

577
00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:34,160
Speaker 1: chubbic technique. So cool, Yeah, kind of learning all these

578
00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:38,680
Speaker 1: different things. Yeah, skill set. There looks like there's so

579
00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:41,040
Speaker 1: many good school acting schools in LA or at least

580
00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:42,880
Speaker 1: like classes you can go to. Do you go to

581
00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:44,280
Speaker 1: classes a little bit in LA.

582
00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:47,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I do. I've sort of I've tried like

583
00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:50,120
Speaker 2: a couple of different ones, and I think that, you know,

584
00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:57,280
Speaker 2: the biggest takeaway from them is one like, at least

585
00:28:57,360 --> 00:29:00,920
Speaker 2: with me, it is hard to leave it and come

586
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:03,640
Speaker 2: back and expecting you're sort of a quote unquote sharp.

587
00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:05,240
Speaker 1: You know, it's.

588
00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:07,840
Speaker 2: Not not because like it's acting is necessarily hard, but

589
00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:10,400
Speaker 2: it's I think sometimes like I make it more complicated

590
00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:12,360
Speaker 2: than it needs to be. So it's actually just by

591
00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:15,080
Speaker 2: practicing I realize how on a regular basis, I realize

592
00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:17,600
Speaker 2: how simple it is and how much for it's just

593
00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:19,880
Speaker 2: like it's just fun. That's the whole point of it, right,

594
00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:21,040
Speaker 2: We're doing it because it's.

595
00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:24,080
Speaker 1: Fun totally, And I think like the double edged sort

596
00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:28,360
Speaker 1: of you being obviously super intelligent and you've probably got

597
00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:29,920
Speaker 1: that kind of like brain that.

598
00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:33,760
Speaker 2: Likes to know, right, right, brain their friend. Yeah, and

599
00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:35,200
Speaker 2: that's part of the reason why I had to sort

600
00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:37,600
Speaker 2: of leave a step back from acting sort of a

601
00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:39,560
Speaker 2: couple of times. You know, there's a chapters where I've

602
00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:42,200
Speaker 2: taken I was like, not going to comput it at all.

603
00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:45,240
Speaker 2: And yeah, actually couple times where I've actually consciously stopped

604
00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:48,680
Speaker 2: to do something else where I thought I would know

605
00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:50,480
Speaker 2: what the plan is and maybe enjoy that more. But

606
00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:54,680
Speaker 2: in reality, like it's all in any any understanding in

607
00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:57,200
Speaker 2: the future as all an illusion, so we really don't

608
00:29:57,240 --> 00:29:59,240
Speaker 2: know anything that's going to come, even if we're in

609
00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:03,200
Speaker 2: a conventional job. Totally, So it's much I just find

610
00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:06,560
Speaker 2: it is more interesting to pursue a career like this

611
00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:09,400
Speaker 2: even if there's uncertainties of it, because that's actually the

612
00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:12,400
Speaker 2: beauty of it. But again, yes, it can be very

613
00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:15,320
Speaker 2: odd we literally just with acting if because you need

614
00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:16,840
Speaker 2: to know where your mark is and nears, know where

615
00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:18,960
Speaker 2: your lines are. But how can you make it seem

616
00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:21,920
Speaker 2: like reomind something for the first time if you have

617
00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:24,520
Speaker 2: rased it or whatever that is. That's that's the challenge

618
00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:25,760
Speaker 2: with it totally.

619
00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:28,120
Speaker 1: I had a question about because you work obviously on

620
00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:31,520
Speaker 1: American sets as well as Australian sets. If you're on

621
00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:34,600
Speaker 1: an American set and have to have an American accent,

622
00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:36,440
Speaker 1: do you are you one of the actors that will

623
00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:39,239
Speaker 1: wake up that morning and stay on accent for the

624
00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:42,440
Speaker 1: entire day or do you break it at lunchtime? What's

625
00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:43,640
Speaker 1: your mess?

626
00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:47,080
Speaker 2: I'm a little bit. I'm worried that I'm losing my American,

627
00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:53,000
Speaker 2: my my Australian accent. So I try to consciously go

628
00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:58,320
Speaker 2: into American and then consciously go into Australian, and otherwise

629
00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:02,120
Speaker 2: I think that I'd risk if, like I kept it

630
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:04,840
Speaker 2: up all day, even though that's like a good exercise

631
00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:09,320
Speaker 2: and I've done that before, I feel like for me personally,

632
00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:12,360
Speaker 2: like that's started. Maybe that would encourage bad habits. And

633
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:15,120
Speaker 2: I have this weird hybrid of Australian and American, and

634
00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:17,960
Speaker 2: then that is contributing to me losing my Australian accent.

635
00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:20,160
Speaker 2: So I hope that no one, you know, I'm sure

636
00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:22,360
Speaker 2: that some people just steing a into is he American

637
00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:24,719
Speaker 2: and even on set in between two worlds, you know,

638
00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:30,600
Speaker 2: some of the extras said that, but I'm sorry hating,

639
00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:35,480
Speaker 2: but yeah, I think let's just you figure it out,

640
00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:37,600
Speaker 2: you know, over the years. What works for you?

641
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:40,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, totally. I saw an interview where someone said what

642
00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:43,880
Speaker 1: would your dream acting job be, and you said Bond

643
00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:46,719
Speaker 1: film but the villain? Is it still that? Is that

644
00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:47,560
Speaker 1: still your dream?

645
00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:49,880
Speaker 2: I don't when did I say that.

646
00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:55,360
Speaker 1: It was an interview with like a young kind of

647
00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:58,720
Speaker 1: Hollywood kind of I don't know. If it was online

648
00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:01,240
Speaker 1: job it was called like Hollywood TV or something, it

649
00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:05,080
Speaker 1: would be Oh.

650
00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:06,520
Speaker 2: Wow, okay, that actually that would be that would be

651
00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:08,640
Speaker 2: a pretty cool job. But I would probably I would

652
00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:10,680
Speaker 2: probably stand by that answer at the moment. I'm really

653
00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:15,040
Speaker 2: loving Succession, so I've said that. I'm asked, you know, like,

654
00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:17,680
Speaker 2: I think that would be an amazing an amazing show

655
00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:20,040
Speaker 2: and sorry to be a part of awesome?

656
00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:22,760
Speaker 1: Is it? Is it for you as well? Like do

657
00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:25,000
Speaker 1: you as you grow as an actor you were like, Oh,

658
00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:26,760
Speaker 1: I'd liked it with that director, or I'd really like

659
00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:28,560
Speaker 1: to work with that writer, or I'd really liked it

660
00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:30,440
Speaker 1: with that actor. Do you find that you now are

661
00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:34,000
Speaker 1: kind of getting a taste for what you love the

662
00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:35,160
Speaker 1: more you work in it.

663
00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:39,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, definitely, And you sort of start to as

664
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:41,880
Speaker 2: a kid growing up watching the industry from the outside,

665
00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:44,040
Speaker 2: you wonder like how it works and how do people

666
00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:47,640
Speaker 2: sort of and I think that is actually the place,

667
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:51,640
Speaker 2: like interestingly, that I've always wanted to be, rather than

668
00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:56,240
Speaker 2: like consistently working and you know, making this amount of money.

669
00:32:56,320 --> 00:32:59,320
Speaker 2: It's actually like that place of confidence where you can

670
00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:02,320
Speaker 2: not like being titled enough to ask to work with

671
00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:05,080
Speaker 2: those people, but to really truly know as a creative

672
00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:08,360
Speaker 2: you want to collaborate with these people on these types

673
00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:12,360
Speaker 2: of stories because they speak to you in some way totally.

674
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:16,520
Speaker 1: And I think, like you said about confidence, and to

675
00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:18,560
Speaker 1: me that comes from like a not to get to

676
00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:20,920
Speaker 1: hippie and esoteric, but like a sense of self belief,

677
00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:22,440
Speaker 1: you know, and I don't know.

678
00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:25,360
Speaker 2: And just also just and just like interest too. You know.

679
00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:27,880
Speaker 2: It was just like any any any other person in

680
00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:30,840
Speaker 2: any other regular job, you know, whether it's like whether

681
00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:33,680
Speaker 2: it's a doctor or a lawyer, and the lawyers thinking

682
00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:35,520
Speaker 2: that they want to you know, change into a different

683
00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:38,200
Speaker 2: practice area out of interest, because they're brought what they're doing,

684
00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:41,000
Speaker 2: or because they you know, want to work with certain

685
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:42,800
Speaker 2: people in a different field. Like it's it's sort of

686
00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:48,240
Speaker 2: the same thing, but acting is so vague and esoteric

687
00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:50,000
Speaker 2: and hippie and stuff that it's for you in all

688
00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:52,320
Speaker 2: different directions, so it's hard to sort of develop that

689
00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:53,880
Speaker 2: compass totally.

690
00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:57,480
Speaker 1: Has there been like a pintry moment or what's been

691
00:33:57,520 --> 00:34:00,720
Speaker 1: like if you had to pinpoint a highlight thus far

692
00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:02,400
Speaker 1: of your acting career.

693
00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:12,520
Speaker 2: I guess probably in some of the actually like it's

694
00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:16,799
Speaker 2: not necessarily working. I think it's more some of the

695
00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:22,360
Speaker 2: periods where I've honestly just been like, and it sounds

696
00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:24,640
Speaker 2: a little pretentious, but like studying it, you like with

697
00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:28,319
Speaker 2: really good teachers and having a moment of realization and

698
00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:32,719
Speaker 2: that and where I realize, like I just I just

699
00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:35,480
Speaker 2: enjoy it for it on its own, because I think

700
00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:38,640
Speaker 2: that there's I've had like professional pinch me moments, but

701
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:43,960
Speaker 2: I feel like they don't really you know, they're not

702
00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:46,680
Speaker 2: as maybe you're rewarding, because the good thing is about

703
00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:48,239
Speaker 2: when you know that you're studying it. Maybe you're not

704
00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:50,160
Speaker 2: even making money from it. Maybe even you're having to

705
00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:52,080
Speaker 2: pay to be a part of that. You know, study

706
00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:55,600
Speaker 2: environment and you're learning something really inspiring from it. You

707
00:34:55,680 --> 00:34:59,840
Speaker 2: know that it's the joy is real and genuine because

708
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:02,400
Speaker 2: it's just about the process or about you know, it

709
00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:06,759
Speaker 2: on its own. It's not about it is the Yeah, exactly,

710
00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:09,000
Speaker 2: so I would say those, which again is a hard thing.

711
00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:11,960
Speaker 2: I tend to have those, you know, once in a while,

712
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:14,319
Speaker 2: and then I get distracted and I get caught up

713
00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:16,640
Speaker 2: in the hustle of it all that I forget and

714
00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:18,919
Speaker 2: then I have to have the experience again. So I'm

715
00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:20,640
Speaker 2: just reminded of it, I guess.

716
00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:23,520
Speaker 1: I think. And I read this about you know, I

717
00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:27,120
Speaker 1: love it. I think it's so important as a creative

718
00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:30,920
Speaker 1: to have an understanding of one's own mental health. And

719
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:33,919
Speaker 1: I've read that you're really passionate about mental health. Can

720
00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:37,360
Speaker 1: you talk a little bit about I guess not necessarily

721
00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:39,680
Speaker 1: your journey, but it can be your journey. But I

722
00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:42,560
Speaker 1: guess why mental health is so important, I think for

723
00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:44,520
Speaker 1: you as a person, but also for you as an actor.

724
00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:50,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely, Like I think that as a part of

725
00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:54,000
Speaker 2: my journey. Yeah. Both professions or careers that I've had

726
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:57,440
Speaker 2: the most experience in would be would be legal professional,

727
00:35:57,520 --> 00:35:59,640
Speaker 2: you know, that sort of business side of the world,

728
00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:04,400
Speaker 2: and entertainment. And there are two fields that really have

729
00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:08,360
Speaker 2: or affected by mental health, you know, the people because

730
00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:12,760
Speaker 2: of the in acting, whether it's like uncertainty or the

731
00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:17,439
Speaker 2: criticism or the rejection and in the legal profession sort

732
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:19,879
Speaker 2: of the same thing, but more like the competitiveness and

733
00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:24,000
Speaker 2: how the training of your brain you look for errors

734
00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:25,960
Speaker 2: as opposed to looking for the good in things like

735
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:28,279
Speaker 2: that's what you're trained to do for the most part

736
00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:30,200
Speaker 2: as a lawyer, and it's reflected in the day to

737
00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:33,239
Speaker 2: day process whether you're doing discovery and you're looking for

738
00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:36,959
Speaker 2: something that's like wrong or like that's that stands out,

739
00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:43,680
Speaker 2: but usually not for like a good reason. So yeah,

740
00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:46,719
Speaker 2: just my experiences of being like attracted to both and

741
00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:50,960
Speaker 2: you know, not having a sense of community sometimes and

742
00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:54,000
Speaker 2: sometimes or you know, being at law school saying I

743
00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:56,920
Speaker 2: wanted to be an actor and then not people understanding

744
00:36:56,960 --> 00:36:59,120
Speaker 2: that or trying to be an actor and then people

745
00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:02,239
Speaker 2: being like, well you didn't go either or whopper, So yeah,

746
00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:04,560
Speaker 2: what are you? Or can you be taken seriously or

747
00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:06,879
Speaker 2: you know, because it's a modeling so that people would

748
00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:08,319
Speaker 2: tachnial less seriously because of that.

749
00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:11,279
Speaker 1: I saw you were on chat Chatweek, Is that right?

750
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:14,680
Speaker 2: Model? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, very I was very I was

751
00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:17,760
Speaker 2: a very awkward model and I still sometimes photo shoots

752
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:19,759
Speaker 2: are fun, but sometimes I'm just I'm so awkward in them.

753
00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:21,239
Speaker 2: I feel so awkward in.

754
00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:23,680
Speaker 1: That that's a good thing to admit though. So I

755
00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:27,960
Speaker 1: also think as an actor, having a sense of understanding

756
00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:31,359
Speaker 1: or working on your mental health makes you understand human

757
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:35,120
Speaker 1: behavior better, which therefore makes yeah, and then.

758
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:39,839
Speaker 2: As a result, empathy and emotion and self awareness. It's

759
00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:41,839
Speaker 2: all I think a part of it. And just having

760
00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:45,000
Speaker 2: the resilience too, you know, it's very easy as an

761
00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:50,719
Speaker 2: acted seekings personally, but developing the resilience through persistence and

762
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:55,759
Speaker 2: understanding that there's no right or wrong way, whether it's

763
00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:59,000
Speaker 2: with the career projection or with the way that a

764
00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:03,640
Speaker 2: scene should you know, quote unquote go. Those are all

765
00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:05,600
Speaker 2: things that I've sort of had to overcome, which I can't.

766
00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:07,399
Speaker 2: I wish I could give like a listener right now,

767
00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:09,239
Speaker 2: like a magic solution, because it's still something that I

768
00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:12,560
Speaker 2: have to work on. But it's just like daily practice

769
00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:15,960
Speaker 2: with whatever you figure out works for you, and consistency

770
00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:19,040
Speaker 2: and then assistance and connecting with the reasons why you're

771
00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:22,879
Speaker 2: doing something for me, you know, the same thing in laws,

772
00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:25,160
Speaker 2: Like I genuinely enjoyed parts of law school, and the

773
00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:27,239
Speaker 2: things that I enjoyed the most about it, and even

774
00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:29,280
Speaker 2: when I was working, was when I was like learning

775
00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:31,600
Speaker 2: something and the process of doing it, And I wasn't

776
00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:34,160
Speaker 2: concerned about the mark I was going to get, or

777
00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:36,440
Speaker 2: whether I would get an internship, or whether I would

778
00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:41,520
Speaker 2: get a clerkship offer from this particular firm. The results.

779
00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:44,160
Speaker 2: Being focused on the results takes you out of the present,

780
00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:48,200
Speaker 2: or at least it does for me. So yeah, I

781
00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:50,880
Speaker 2: think it's just about just about coming back to the moment.

782
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:56,240
Speaker 1: And do you find in America versus Australia, like Americans

783
00:38:56,719 --> 00:38:59,560
Speaker 1: are really open about like I've got my therapist, I've

784
00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:02,840
Speaker 1: got my life, and in Australia, I have a therapist

785
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:05,640
Speaker 1: and it's still got a bit of a stigma here.

786
00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:08,080
Speaker 1: Yet you're kind of I say to people, I'm like,

787
00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:10,239
Speaker 1: if you want to be successful in any field, get

788
00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:12,640
Speaker 1: a therapist, because you're going to be able to process

789
00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:16,680
Speaker 1: stuff so much faster, learn from it, move on, resilient

790
00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:18,000
Speaker 1: like you just said, yeah, yeah.

791
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:20,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, exactly, Yeah, I would. I would probably say

792
00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:26,600
Speaker 2: that it's potentially, like, you know, as beautiful as Australia is,

793
00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:29,799
Speaker 2: it's interesting because I think someone told me once Americans

794
00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:32,279
Speaker 2: are warm on the outside and cold on the inside.

795
00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:34,800
Speaker 2: Australians are sort of cold on the outside but warm

796
00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:39,520
Speaker 2: on the inside, you know, which I actually love because

797
00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:41,320
Speaker 2: it just speaks to you and highlights the fact that

798
00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:44,080
Speaker 2: Australians are really good people. You know, I love Australia.

799
00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:48,480
Speaker 2: But I think that with our history and with our

800
00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:51,360
Speaker 2: men's means of communication, how sparse our land is. Like

801
00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:55,120
Speaker 2: you could get multiple PhDs written on like why we

802
00:39:55,239 --> 00:39:58,680
Speaker 2: have that, But there's probably like a lack of I think,

803
00:39:58,719 --> 00:40:03,319
Speaker 2: a willingness to normal guys advocating or finding you know,

804
00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:07,040
Speaker 2: mental health, wellness solutions or whatever, because it can read

805
00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:11,000
Speaker 2: as pretty self important or pretentious. You know, to assume

806
00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:14,960
Speaker 2: that you are that important that you deserve to have

807
00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:17,719
Speaker 2: a person assess you and talk about you for an

808
00:40:17,719 --> 00:40:20,560
Speaker 2: hour a week or whatever it might be. You know,

809
00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:24,120
Speaker 2: that is pretty self like. It can be seen understandably

810
00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:25,759
Speaker 2: that I can see and see it that it can

811
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:30,239
Speaker 2: be pretty self aggrandizing. So I sort of I sort

812
00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:33,440
Speaker 2: of get it, but I think and just even the

813
00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:35,680
Speaker 2: past like a year or two, I've been asked to

814
00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:37,799
Speaker 2: be a part of things that are Australia related to

815
00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:40,560
Speaker 2: do with mental health. There I feel like the conversation

816
00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:41,320
Speaker 2: is being.

817
00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:46,680
Speaker 1: Is being normalized definitely, And you have just signed on

818
00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:49,000
Speaker 1: as an ambassador for Polished Man. You and I are

819
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:52,040
Speaker 1: with ambassadors. What made you want to sign on to

820
00:40:52,120 --> 00:40:56,520
Speaker 1: this amazing charity that is all about ending violence against children?

821
00:40:56,560 --> 00:40:58,080
Speaker 1: What made you kind of go are go to be

822
00:40:58,160 --> 00:40:58,839
Speaker 1: involved with this?

823
00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:03,480
Speaker 2: I mean I've had friends and people very close to

824
00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:08,200
Speaker 2: me have you know, traumatic childhood experiences, and it really

825
00:41:08,239 --> 00:41:10,279
Speaker 2: which reminds you how close to home it is, and

826
00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:14,120
Speaker 2: that it's something that affects people regardless and children regardless

827
00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:19,640
Speaker 2: of background, economics, access to education or whatever. Like it's

828
00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:24,160
Speaker 2: just a you know, a gross exploitation. I think of

829
00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:27,520
Speaker 2: like the most vulnerable children are powerless, you know. And

830
00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:31,600
Speaker 2: I was very lucky that I that was not part

831
00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:34,000
Speaker 2: of my experience, so it's not something that I even

832
00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:37,200
Speaker 2: sort of understood. Is something that was so common until

833
00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:40,400
Speaker 2: like a couple of years ago, when you know, the

834
00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:44,080
Speaker 2: people close to me shared their experiences. So I think,

835
00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:47,440
Speaker 2: I mean, that was a big reason why I was

836
00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:49,799
Speaker 2: so keen to sort of just like draw attention to it.

837
00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:52,799
Speaker 2: And as well, you know, like a lot of I

838
00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:54,839
Speaker 2: was on a kid show, so you know, they're still

839
00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:56,799
Speaker 2: and the kids kids still watch it, So I'd like

840
00:41:56,840 --> 00:42:00,520
Speaker 2: to know that they feel supported and it's a really

841
00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:03,480
Speaker 2: lovely story, you know, the way that it came about.

842
00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:05,000
Speaker 2: I'm sure should we talk about that now?

843
00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:09,000
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, totally. And I think the stats are crazy.

844
00:42:09,160 --> 00:42:12,680
Speaker 1: That's why, Like it's like one billion kids, which is

845
00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:13,799
Speaker 1: half the kids.

846
00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:17,239
Speaker 2: In the world, and how especially and in Australia as well,

847
00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:20,880
Speaker 2: with which it affects Indigenous children too, and that, you know,

848
00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:22,960
Speaker 2: is such a relevant part of the conversation in the

849
00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:29,200
Speaker 2: way that Indigenous people in Australia are so grossly affected

850
00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:33,719
Speaker 2: by issues or disproportionately so. So it's just part of

851
00:42:33,719 --> 00:42:37,560
Speaker 2: like a meaningful conversation that any human needs to sort

852
00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:41,399
Speaker 2: of recognize because if someone else they know, whether it's

853
00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:43,800
Speaker 2: this cause specifically, and how that can sort of trigger

854
00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:48,080
Speaker 2: a conversation to really demonize that behavior against children, or

855
00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:50,439
Speaker 2: it's to help people realize that someone in their life

856
00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:53,920
Speaker 2: might be a potential you know, potential perpetrator or be

857
00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:56,000
Speaker 2: a part of one know, someone who knows someone you

858
00:42:56,040 --> 00:42:57,239
Speaker 2: know to combat that.

859
00:42:58,200 --> 00:43:00,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, thank you so much for being with Polish Man,

860
00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:06,640
Speaker 1: because it's it's been amazing to see so many you know,

861
00:43:07,640 --> 00:43:10,880
Speaker 1: profiles get involved and get behind it and just be

862
00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:13,040
Speaker 1: like put their hand up and when I saw your

863
00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:14,480
Speaker 1: name on the list, I was like, I've got to

864
00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:17,680
Speaker 1: interview him. So I'm really glad that it has also

865
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:22,040
Speaker 1: meant that this interview has come to life as a

866
00:43:22,080 --> 00:43:26,880
Speaker 1: results my lucky last question is a few actors will

867
00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:28,600
Speaker 1: probably listen to this because, as you know, I'm in

868
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Speaker 1: drama school. What would your advice be for because your

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Speaker 1: trajectory has been one that has gone to America and

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Speaker 1: there is a famous kind of saying in the Australian

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Speaker 1: industry at the moment, and that is don't go to

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Speaker 1: America until you're invited. I kind of disagree with that

873
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Speaker 1: because I'm like, I'm all about pounding the pavement and yeah,

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Speaker 1: I like the roughness of kind of like feeling like

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Speaker 1: when you describe.

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Speaker 2: That and putting itself Yeah, yeah, yeah, there's it's it's

877
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Speaker 2: very and it's interesting looking back, like it's easy to

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Speaker 2: romanticize that. But I would I would sort of, I

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Speaker 2: guess I was. I disagreed, you know, with that to

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Speaker 2: an extent, you know, like I think in my situation,

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Speaker 2: if there's any actors listening, like I sort of was

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Speaker 2: invited by representatives, yeah, you know, I didn't have and

883
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Speaker 2: it wasn't even though I had the RF, like, it

884
00:44:24,680 --> 00:44:27,600
Speaker 2: wasn't all too challenging in the end of the day

885
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Speaker 2: to get the one as it is compared to say

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Speaker 2: some of my some of my friends who sort of

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Speaker 2: go through that process too. So and I was in

888
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Speaker 2: I was in a position to and again like I

889
00:44:40,080 --> 00:44:43,799
Speaker 2: think that you know, I just finished university, so it

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Speaker 2: sort of made sense I was going to move somewhere,

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Speaker 2: so mentally, you know where I was, it made sense

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Speaker 2: even though maybe I wasn't necessarily ready to work straight away,

893
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Speaker 2: because I realized again that I needed to take a

894
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Speaker 2: bit of a break of it so I could, you know,

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Speaker 2: focus on on a business. And then that gave me perspective.

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Speaker 2: I think I would just like, if there's any advice

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Speaker 2: about that phrase anyone's listening, I think that you should

898
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Speaker 2: at the very least start to plant seeds because any

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Speaker 2: time spent over here, which is the apex of the

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Speaker 2: industry globally, you know, it's where the most resources are.

901
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Speaker 2: Even if you want to be in Australia, like, you

902
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:28,560
Speaker 2: still would learn something hugely from coming here. And there's

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Speaker 2: also interestingly about that comment. You know, you don't go

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Speaker 2: until you invited but then also whenever I hear from

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Speaker 2: Australian actors that they say, you know, what are they

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Speaker 2: even doing over there, like say, well, they're doing the

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Speaker 2: same thing that you're doing in Sydney or Melbourne, like

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Speaker 2: they're you know, they've maybe they're maybe they're filming occasionally,

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Speaker 2: maybe they're not, maybe they're auditioning, maybe they're working on

910
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Speaker 2: their own stuff. But it's the same process. But you're

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00:45:53,640 --> 00:45:56,799
Speaker 2: you're probably I can imagine most of my colleagues and

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00:45:56,800 --> 00:46:01,400
Speaker 2: then myself included, like you learn a lot, so you know,

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Speaker 2: there's no one size fits all. But I think, like

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Speaker 2: I've read in the interview of yours, you just have

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Speaker 2: to follow your gut. And the only thing is when

916
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Speaker 2: making a decision about making a leap or something overseas,

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Speaker 2: you follow your gut. But you need to balance that

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Speaker 2: against an awareness of like well, whether you're prepared, whether

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Speaker 2: you have your ducks in a row, whether you for instance,

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Speaker 2: do you have the visa, or whether you do you

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Speaker 2: even know why you want to be an actor, like

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Speaker 2: all those sorts of things. Otherwise, yeah, you will probably

923
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Speaker 2: face a bit of a challenging journey.

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Speaker 1: Oh that's such good advice though, and I love that

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Speaker 1: you've described it as like the apex of kind of

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Speaker 1: the entertainment world, because I always call it their PCE center.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, ala is the airp Center. And my dear

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Speaker 1: friend who also works with you, Jane, always says to

929
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Speaker 1: me she because Lol, there's so much opportunity there. You

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00:46:50,320 --> 00:46:52,440
Speaker 1: could be sitting at a cafe and it just so

931
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Speaker 1: happens that a director is seeing next to you. That

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Speaker 1: doesn't happen so much.

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Speaker 2: I've literally I've had that happen to me, and I've

934
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Speaker 2: literally had a friend have that happened to her. It

935
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Speaker 2: didn't lead to a job per se, but it was

936
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Speaker 2: like both very synchronistic moments that make it seem more

937
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Speaker 2: real and make it normalizes being a part of it all,

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Speaker 2: which is all like encouraging. I think at the end

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Speaker 2: of the.

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Speaker 1: Day, definitely, does it feel like there's hope in La

941
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Speaker 1: like it is going to come back to life next

942
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Speaker 1: year and shows will take off again.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like it is like we've seen that

944
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Speaker 2: some of the procedurals and some of the stuff that's

945
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Speaker 2: shot in studio who has just started in the past week,

946
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Speaker 2: so it looks like people are figuring out how things

947
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Speaker 2: to do it, and they've even been shooting like indie

948
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Speaker 2: films in other parts of the state or other parts

949
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Speaker 2: of the country in different states. You know, in this period,

950
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Speaker 2: they just haven't really been publicizing them until maybe after

951
00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:47,040
Speaker 2: they've gotten them in the camp because then they're able

952
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Speaker 2: to do it. Look, we did it, we made a

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Speaker 2: film during COVID and everyone else is you know, we're

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Speaker 2: just taking it. I guess day by day as it

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Speaker 2: is in Australia. The thing that has affected me is

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Speaker 2: that I haven't been able to come back to Australia

957
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Speaker 2: during this time because of that. The travel restrictions has

958
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Speaker 2: made it so challenging, whereas it usually probably would have

959
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Speaker 2: come back to Australia by this point in the year.

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Speaker 2: So that's why it's it's disappointing for me. But yeah,

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Speaker 2: I guess we'll just keep our offingers crossed that it

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Speaker 2: will because I have a feeling that.

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Speaker 1: It will definitely, so do I so do. I thank

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Speaker 1: you so much for sharing. I have really loved this

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Speaker 1: conversation and I cannot wait to just see your career

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Speaker 1: continue to unfold. Very exciting.

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Speaker 2: Oh, thank you, thank you so much. Thank you for.

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Speaker 1: Having me your legend. That's a wrap on another episode

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Speaker 1: of Fearlessly Failing. As always, thank you to our guests

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Speaker 1: and let's continue the conversation on Instagram. I'm at Yamo Lollaberry.

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