1 00:00:00,520 --> 00:00:04,359 Speaker 1: Already and this is the Daily This is the Dahlias. 2 00:00:05,120 --> 00:00:16,200 Speaker 2: Oh now it makes sense. Good morning and welcome to 3 00:00:16,239 --> 00:00:19,200 Speaker 2: the Daily OS. It's Wednesday, the eighteenth of February. I'm 4 00:00:19,200 --> 00:00:20,000 Speaker 2: Emma Gillespie. 5 00:00:20,079 --> 00:00:21,000 Speaker 1: I'm Sam Kazowski. 6 00:00:21,320 --> 00:00:23,920 Speaker 2: Five months ago, a four year old boy was playing 7 00:00:23,960 --> 00:00:26,479 Speaker 2: in the dirt at his family's remote sheep station in 8 00:00:26,560 --> 00:00:31,360 Speaker 2: outback South Australia. Within hours, he had vanished without a trace. 9 00:00:31,800 --> 00:00:35,280 Speaker 2: Hundreds of police and volunteers have searched across five hundred 10 00:00:35,360 --> 00:00:38,880 Speaker 2: square kilometers of outback, but no trace of Gus Lamont 11 00:00:39,040 --> 00:00:41,760 Speaker 2: has been found. What started as one of the state's 12 00:00:41,880 --> 00:00:45,839 Speaker 2: largest missing person searches has now become something else, entirely 13 00:00:46,159 --> 00:00:50,080 Speaker 2: a major crime investigation, with a suspect living under the 14 00:00:50,080 --> 00:00:54,000 Speaker 2: same roof as Gus. This week police charged someone from 15 00:00:54,000 --> 00:00:57,760 Speaker 2: that property with firearms offences. And today we'll unpack why 16 00:00:57,800 --> 00:01:00,920 Speaker 2: this missing person case has become a major prime investigation 17 00:01:01,280 --> 00:01:08,000 Speaker 2: and everything we know about the disappearance of this little boy. 18 00:01:08,080 --> 00:01:11,119 Speaker 1: So to start this story, we really need to go 19 00:01:11,319 --> 00:01:15,200 Speaker 1: to September of last year. That's when headlines started to 20 00:01:15,240 --> 00:01:18,240 Speaker 1: emerge about a missing boy in South Australia. Take me 21 00:01:18,319 --> 00:01:21,280 Speaker 1: back to that time and give me a sense of 22 00:01:21,319 --> 00:01:23,360 Speaker 1: how we got from there to where we are today. 23 00:01:23,680 --> 00:01:26,399 Speaker 2: Yeah, So we're talking about Gus Lamont, this four year 24 00:01:26,440 --> 00:01:30,000 Speaker 2: old at the center of a huge search and investigation. 25 00:01:30,560 --> 00:01:33,800 Speaker 2: He was last seen on the twenty seventh of September 26 00:01:33,880 --> 00:01:37,080 Speaker 2: at Oak Park Station. That is where his home is. 27 00:01:37,440 --> 00:01:40,319 Speaker 2: It's a sheep property about forty five k's south of 28 00:01:40,400 --> 00:01:43,800 Speaker 2: Junta in South Australia's mid North. It's roughly three hundred 29 00:01:43,880 --> 00:01:46,720 Speaker 2: k's north of Adelaide. So, Sam, we're talking about a really, 30 00:01:46,840 --> 00:01:50,320 Speaker 2: really remote area here now. According to police, Gus was 31 00:01:50,360 --> 00:01:53,520 Speaker 2: playing outside near the homestead when he disappeared on the 32 00:01:53,560 --> 00:01:57,080 Speaker 2: twenty seventh of September. His grandmother was the last person 33 00:01:57,200 --> 00:01:59,440 Speaker 2: to see him and she said he was playing on 34 00:01:59,440 --> 00:02:02,200 Speaker 2: amount of at that point. Now at the time, police 35 00:02:02,240 --> 00:02:05,840 Speaker 2: say Gus's grandparents, his mother, and his younger brother were 36 00:02:05,880 --> 00:02:08,400 Speaker 2: all at the property when Gus vanished. 37 00:02:08,639 --> 00:02:12,280 Speaker 1: So he vanishes, he's reported as missing. Take me through 38 00:02:12,280 --> 00:02:15,120 Speaker 1: the initial couple of days after that report was made. 39 00:02:15,280 --> 00:02:19,079 Speaker 2: Yeah, the response was massive after those first reports, as 40 00:02:19,080 --> 00:02:21,440 Speaker 2: we always hear with missing persons cases. You know, the 41 00:02:21,480 --> 00:02:24,760 Speaker 2: first hours of any search of this nature are critical. 42 00:02:25,200 --> 00:02:28,160 Speaker 2: Not to mention the remote territory and the kind of 43 00:02:28,160 --> 00:02:30,160 Speaker 2: tough terrain that we're talking about. 44 00:02:29,840 --> 00:02:32,280 Speaker 1: The grounds to cover in kind of an initial search 45 00:02:32,360 --> 00:02:33,200 Speaker 1: must have been huge. 46 00:02:33,360 --> 00:02:36,440 Speaker 2: Yep, absolutely huge, so much so in fact that Essay 47 00:02:36,480 --> 00:02:40,760 Speaker 2: Police actually brought in federal support from the Defense Force. 48 00:02:41,080 --> 00:02:44,800 Speaker 2: We had community volunteers involved as well, and this search 49 00:02:44,919 --> 00:02:48,320 Speaker 2: became what Essay police have called the largest missing person 50 00:02:48,400 --> 00:02:51,880 Speaker 2: search ever undertaken in the state. Now, the initial theory 51 00:02:51,919 --> 00:02:54,520 Speaker 2: sam was that Gus had wandered off the property, that 52 00:02:54,600 --> 00:02:57,640 Speaker 2: he'd gotten lost in the surrounding outback that he was 53 00:02:57,680 --> 00:03:01,800 Speaker 2: playing and just kind of wandered off. In those early stages, 54 00:03:02,240 --> 00:03:05,720 Speaker 2: Gus's family did issue a statement that was read out 55 00:03:05,880 --> 00:03:09,960 Speaker 2: to media via a family friend, a man called Bill Harbison. 56 00:03:10,480 --> 00:03:12,840 Speaker 2: Here is Bill reading some of that statement. 57 00:03:13,320 --> 00:03:18,840 Speaker 3: We're devastated by the disappearance of herb a loved Gus 58 00:03:19,919 --> 00:03:24,440 Speaker 3: on Saturday afternoon. Come as a shock to our family 59 00:03:24,560 --> 00:03:29,200 Speaker 3: and friends, and we're struggling to comprehend what has happened. 60 00:03:30,680 --> 00:03:34,280 Speaker 3: Gus's absence has felt in all of us, and we 61 00:03:34,360 --> 00:03:37,559 Speaker 3: miss him more than words can express. 62 00:03:37,840 --> 00:03:40,800 Speaker 2: So that was September. But by the third of October, 63 00:03:40,840 --> 00:03:44,320 Speaker 2: almost a week after Gus disappeared, police announced they were 64 00:03:44,360 --> 00:03:45,600 Speaker 2: scaling back. 65 00:03:45,440 --> 00:03:48,000 Speaker 1: The search, right, and why was that the case? 66 00:03:48,320 --> 00:03:51,760 Speaker 2: That was the case essentially because despite their best efforts, 67 00:03:51,880 --> 00:03:56,480 Speaker 2: investigators hadn't been able to locate Gas or any definitive 68 00:03:56,520 --> 00:04:01,360 Speaker 2: evidence to support information about his whereabouts. So Essa Police 69 00:04:01,360 --> 00:04:04,840 Speaker 2: Assistant Commissioner In Parrot acknowledged that it would be very 70 00:04:04,920 --> 00:04:08,680 Speaker 2: unlikely that Gus would have survived that long. He cited 71 00:04:08,720 --> 00:04:11,320 Speaker 2: a lack of evidence or clues to guide where they 72 00:04:11,360 --> 00:04:14,000 Speaker 2: should focus the search. And yeah, that's when we heard 73 00:04:14,040 --> 00:04:16,760 Speaker 2: the very sad news that efforts were not going to 74 00:04:16,800 --> 00:04:18,760 Speaker 2: be abandoned, but certainly scaled back. 75 00:04:19,080 --> 00:04:22,240 Speaker 1: And so at that point in time, were essay, police 76 00:04:22,279 --> 00:04:24,720 Speaker 1: still treating this as a missing person's case. 77 00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:28,320 Speaker 2: Yes, at that point, this was a missing person's case. 78 00:04:28,480 --> 00:04:30,919 Speaker 2: Police were even saying at that point that they didn't 79 00:04:30,960 --> 00:04:35,000 Speaker 2: suspect any foul play was involved. So everyone assumed Gus 80 00:04:35,000 --> 00:04:38,320 Speaker 2: had wandered off and something terrible had happened by accident. 81 00:04:38,600 --> 00:04:42,839 Speaker 2: But that changed dramatically earlier this month. Okay, on the 82 00:04:42,880 --> 00:04:46,799 Speaker 2: fifth of February, nearly two weeks ago, Detective Superintendent Darren 83 00:04:46,839 --> 00:04:50,719 Speaker 2: Fielke announced that Gus's disappearance had been declared a major 84 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:51,680 Speaker 2: crime Wow. 85 00:04:51,720 --> 00:04:54,360 Speaker 1: Interesting. So there was kind of this silence or a 86 00:04:54,440 --> 00:04:56,760 Speaker 1: lack of update, and then we get this big update 87 00:04:56,800 --> 00:04:57,960 Speaker 1: in early feb Yeah. 88 00:04:57,760 --> 00:05:01,919 Speaker 2: A huge development, and that police officer told reporters, quote, 89 00:05:01,960 --> 00:05:06,000 Speaker 2: we don't believe now that Gus is alive. He elaborated 90 00:05:06,040 --> 00:05:09,200 Speaker 2: on the investigation and the special task force that has 91 00:05:09,240 --> 00:05:12,480 Speaker 2: been set up to find Gus. It's called Task Force Horizon, 92 00:05:12,640 --> 00:05:16,080 Speaker 2: and that basically they had been considering this scenario where 93 00:05:16,080 --> 00:05:19,719 Speaker 2: Gus had wandered off, but there were two other scenarios 94 00:05:19,839 --> 00:05:23,920 Speaker 2: beyond that. One is that the preschooler was abducted, and 95 00:05:23,960 --> 00:05:27,240 Speaker 2: the other option, which seems to be the scenario police 96 00:05:27,279 --> 00:05:31,680 Speaker 2: believe is most likely, is whether someone known to Gus 97 00:05:31,760 --> 00:05:35,200 Speaker 2: was involved in his disappearance and suspected death. 98 00:05:35,240 --> 00:05:37,480 Speaker 1: Which is a really significant shift if you think about 99 00:05:37,480 --> 00:05:40,080 Speaker 1: the language that police were using to talk about this case. 100 00:05:40,640 --> 00:05:43,200 Speaker 1: There must have been something that was happening behind the 101 00:05:43,240 --> 00:05:46,400 Speaker 1: scenes in the lead up to that February announcement though, right. 102 00:05:46,360 --> 00:05:49,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's something happening was that police had identified 103 00:05:49,960 --> 00:05:53,239 Speaker 2: a suspect. This is someone who they said had stopped 104 00:05:53,240 --> 00:05:57,320 Speaker 2: cooperating with the investigation. So Fielk said that police identified 105 00:05:57,360 --> 00:06:02,039 Speaker 2: what he called a number of inconsistency and discrepancies in 106 00:06:02,040 --> 00:06:04,839 Speaker 2: information that that person had provided. He said, as a 107 00:06:04,880 --> 00:06:08,760 Speaker 2: result of those inconsistencies and investigations into them, a person 108 00:06:08,760 --> 00:06:11,799 Speaker 2: who resides at Oak Park station has withdrawn their support 109 00:06:11,880 --> 00:06:14,920 Speaker 2: for police and is no longer cooperating with us. 110 00:06:15,080 --> 00:06:15,400 Speaker 1: Okay. 111 00:06:15,680 --> 00:06:18,480 Speaker 2: Now, while we don't know exactly who that suspect is, 112 00:06:18,960 --> 00:06:22,680 Speaker 2: police have been very clear about who is not a suspect, 113 00:06:22,760 --> 00:06:25,360 Speaker 2: and that's Gus's parents. So you would have heard Essay 114 00:06:25,400 --> 00:06:29,640 Speaker 2: authorities saying multiple times Gus's parents are not suspects, are 115 00:06:29,640 --> 00:06:31,359 Speaker 2: not people of interest in this case. 116 00:06:31,600 --> 00:06:33,720 Speaker 1: I want to talk about who that suspect could be, 117 00:06:33,880 --> 00:06:39,400 Speaker 1: but first he's a quick message from our sponsor. Okay, 118 00:06:39,440 --> 00:06:43,080 Speaker 1: So I am to recap. Police have identified a suspect 119 00:06:43,240 --> 00:06:47,440 Speaker 1: in the case of a missing young boy in South Australia. 120 00:06:47,480 --> 00:06:50,479 Speaker 1: And that suspect you said before is somebody who's known 121 00:06:50,520 --> 00:06:51,080 Speaker 1: to Gus. 122 00:06:51,279 --> 00:06:54,400 Speaker 2: Correct, that's what we've now been told by investigators. 123 00:06:54,760 --> 00:06:55,000 Speaker 1: Now. 124 00:06:55,120 --> 00:06:59,800 Speaker 2: Detective Superintendent Darren Fielke with South Australia Police did elaborate 125 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:02,800 Speaker 2: lightly on what that means earlier this month. Here's what 126 00:07:02,880 --> 00:07:03,280 Speaker 2: he said. 127 00:07:03,600 --> 00:07:06,280 Speaker 4: We have a suspect who we believe is known to Gus. 128 00:07:06,560 --> 00:07:10,520 Speaker 4: I'm not going to speak too much about that at all, 129 00:07:10,920 --> 00:07:13,600 Speaker 4: but I can tell you that Task Force Arizon members 130 00:07:13,720 --> 00:07:19,120 Speaker 4: myself are very prognizant of how delicate that is and 131 00:07:19,160 --> 00:07:20,320 Speaker 4: what that means for the family. 132 00:07:20,720 --> 00:07:23,080 Speaker 1: And have we heard much from Gus's family in all 133 00:07:23,120 --> 00:07:25,120 Speaker 1: of this. I mean you said before that Gus's parents 134 00:07:25,120 --> 00:07:27,760 Speaker 1: have been ruled out by police as suspects. Have they 135 00:07:27,800 --> 00:07:30,920 Speaker 1: been vocal in kind of providing their perspective on what's 136 00:07:30,960 --> 00:07:32,080 Speaker 1: happening In the last couple of. 137 00:07:32,120 --> 00:07:35,080 Speaker 2: Weeks, Apart from that initial statement that we heard from 138 00:07:35,080 --> 00:07:38,600 Speaker 2: a family friend, we have not heard more from Gus's 139 00:07:38,640 --> 00:07:43,080 Speaker 2: immediate family. But after police declared the disappearance a major 140 00:07:43,120 --> 00:07:46,920 Speaker 2: crime a couple of weeks ago, Gus's grandparents did release 141 00:07:47,040 --> 00:07:50,200 Speaker 2: a brief statement through their lawyers. They said, quote, we 142 00:07:50,240 --> 00:07:53,760 Speaker 2: are absolutely devastated by the declaration of the major crime. 143 00:07:54,120 --> 00:07:57,280 Speaker 2: The family has cooperated fully with the investigation and want 144 00:07:57,360 --> 00:08:00,160 Speaker 2: nothing more than to find Gus and reunite him with 145 00:08:00,200 --> 00:08:00,960 Speaker 2: his mum and dad. 146 00:08:01,360 --> 00:08:05,160 Speaker 1: Changing an investigation from a missing person's investigation into, as 147 00:08:05,200 --> 00:08:08,400 Speaker 1: police said, a major crime that comes with a different 148 00:08:08,440 --> 00:08:11,440 Speaker 1: approach by police. Tell me about how this investigation has 149 00:08:11,480 --> 00:08:14,160 Speaker 1: shifted since that shift in the language and framing. 150 00:08:14,360 --> 00:08:16,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, so the approach changes lots of things, and that 151 00:08:17,040 --> 00:08:21,320 Speaker 2: includes police resources. The way that attention and resources are 152 00:08:21,360 --> 00:08:24,679 Speaker 2: given to this case shifts. And we saw on January 153 00:08:24,760 --> 00:08:29,600 Speaker 2: fourteen and fifteen, investigators searched the homestead where Gus disappeared from. 154 00:08:29,960 --> 00:08:34,160 Speaker 2: They seized several items, including a vehicle, a motorcycle, some 155 00:08:34,280 --> 00:08:36,640 Speaker 2: electronic devices, and that was so they could take those 156 00:08:36,679 --> 00:08:39,640 Speaker 2: away for forensic testing. We heard a bit more about 157 00:08:39,640 --> 00:08:44,559 Speaker 2: those searchers just this week. On February sixteen, police returned 158 00:08:44,640 --> 00:08:48,400 Speaker 2: to Oak Park station to resume searching for evidence, and 159 00:08:48,440 --> 00:08:50,680 Speaker 2: they said they'd be there for at least two days, 160 00:08:50,679 --> 00:08:53,720 Speaker 2: so up until yesterday. Now, in all of this, we've 161 00:08:53,760 --> 00:08:58,640 Speaker 2: had a significant development. On Monday, police announced that they've 162 00:08:58,679 --> 00:09:02,000 Speaker 2: actually charged a set seventy five year old with multiple 163 00:09:02,040 --> 00:09:05,960 Speaker 2: firearms offenses based on what they learned from those previous searches. 164 00:09:06,280 --> 00:09:09,680 Speaker 1: Interesting, So what you're saying there is that police have 165 00:09:09,760 --> 00:09:12,880 Speaker 1: laid charges on somebody. Do we know that that's specifically 166 00:09:12,880 --> 00:09:15,160 Speaker 1: connected to this missing person's case. 167 00:09:15,240 --> 00:09:18,480 Speaker 2: So the charges have been laid against someone at the homestead, 168 00:09:18,800 --> 00:09:22,720 Speaker 2: but they do not relate to Gus's disappearance, or that's 169 00:09:22,760 --> 00:09:25,520 Speaker 2: what police are saying at the moment. So, according to 170 00:09:25,600 --> 00:09:28,560 Speaker 2: a media release from police, this person has been charged 171 00:09:28,679 --> 00:09:33,160 Speaker 2: with possessing a firearm and ammunition without a license. Police 172 00:09:33,200 --> 00:09:36,120 Speaker 2: say the charges relate to items seized during that search 173 00:09:36,160 --> 00:09:39,040 Speaker 2: of the homestead I mentioned, but as I also flagged 174 00:09:39,080 --> 00:09:42,440 Speaker 2: that these charges are unrelated to the disappearance of Gus. 175 00:09:42,880 --> 00:09:45,120 Speaker 2: That person has been granted bail and they are due 176 00:09:45,160 --> 00:09:48,280 Speaker 2: to appear in court next month. Got it now. Police 177 00:09:48,320 --> 00:09:51,320 Speaker 2: haven't officially named who the person was who was charged 178 00:09:51,400 --> 00:09:56,320 Speaker 2: over the unlicensed gun, but multiple media outlets, including the ABC, 179 00:09:56,760 --> 00:10:01,720 Speaker 2: have reported the charges were laid against Gus's grandmother, Josie Murray. Now, 180 00:10:01,840 --> 00:10:04,680 Speaker 2: it's important to really make the distinction that these charges 181 00:10:04,720 --> 00:10:08,600 Speaker 2: are separate from the investigation into Gus's disappearance. Police have 182 00:10:08,720 --> 00:10:12,439 Speaker 2: been clear on that. But it is an interesting development, 183 00:10:12,480 --> 00:10:15,800 Speaker 2: I suppose, after so many months of uncertainty, to be 184 00:10:15,960 --> 00:10:19,000 Speaker 2: hearing different pieces of information and that someone is charged 185 00:10:19,120 --> 00:10:22,160 Speaker 2: certainly has spiked the interest of the Australian community who 186 00:10:22,200 --> 00:10:24,520 Speaker 2: have been so compelled by this story. 187 00:10:24,880 --> 00:10:28,120 Speaker 1: It's also worth reiterating that TDA has not been able 188 00:10:28,160 --> 00:10:31,520 Speaker 1: to identify the identity of the person charged, but it 189 00:10:31,600 --> 00:10:34,439 Speaker 1: seems to be a common pattern amongst other news sources 190 00:10:34,480 --> 00:10:38,520 Speaker 1: that you've highlighted. So we've had one person charged at 191 00:10:38,520 --> 00:10:41,560 Speaker 1: the homestead with an unrelated offense. That's the line from 192 00:10:41,600 --> 00:10:45,000 Speaker 1: police talk to me about where the investigation stands right now. 193 00:10:45,400 --> 00:10:48,920 Speaker 2: Well, right now, police are continuing to search for evidence 194 00:10:49,080 --> 00:10:51,760 Speaker 2: at the property. There have been two massive days of 195 00:10:51,800 --> 00:10:55,760 Speaker 2: searchers on Monday and Tuesday this week. Police are continuing 196 00:10:55,760 --> 00:10:59,920 Speaker 2: to review information provided by family members and anyone who 197 00:11:00,280 --> 00:11:03,560 Speaker 2: was at the homestead at the time, but they still 198 00:11:03,640 --> 00:11:06,960 Speaker 2: haven't located gas or any items belonging to him. And 199 00:11:06,960 --> 00:11:10,120 Speaker 2: that's despite these recent searches and massive efforts you know 200 00:11:10,360 --> 00:11:15,319 Speaker 2: from the air on the land, police dogs, army personnel. 201 00:11:15,600 --> 00:11:18,880 Speaker 1: I can't emphasize enough just how big this space of 202 00:11:18,920 --> 00:11:22,720 Speaker 1: the search is. I mean, this is a raw, rugged 203 00:11:22,800 --> 00:11:28,520 Speaker 1: Australian landscape with multiple hundreds of klumbitters that are potential 204 00:11:28,559 --> 00:11:31,120 Speaker 1: areas of search. It's a monstrous effort. 205 00:11:30,800 --> 00:11:34,560 Speaker 2: And that has created a huge challenge for everyone involved 206 00:11:34,600 --> 00:11:36,960 Speaker 2: in the search effort. This is yet not a clear 207 00:11:37,000 --> 00:11:40,000 Speaker 2: cut search by any means, and then you factor in 208 00:11:40,400 --> 00:11:43,679 Speaker 2: the suspected foul play that it's a major crime now 209 00:11:43,760 --> 00:11:47,200 Speaker 2: and it gets even more tricky with no trace of 210 00:11:47,200 --> 00:11:51,560 Speaker 2: gas being found. Investigators are really now trying to understand 211 00:11:51,920 --> 00:11:54,840 Speaker 2: what might have happened and why, what is the motive, 212 00:11:55,040 --> 00:11:58,280 Speaker 2: and learning more about the suspect who is under investigation. 213 00:11:58,640 --> 00:12:02,280 Speaker 2: Police have said that this remains an active investigation. They're 214 00:12:02,280 --> 00:12:05,960 Speaker 2: still appealing for anyone with information to come forward and 215 00:12:06,000 --> 00:12:10,040 Speaker 2: they have promised to work thoroughly and meticulously in their words, 216 00:12:10,160 --> 00:12:13,600 Speaker 2: until they get an outcome. They remain focused and determined 217 00:12:13,640 --> 00:12:17,080 Speaker 2: to locate Gus and return him to his parents. Pollice 218 00:12:17,120 --> 00:12:19,520 Speaker 2: said this week nothing is off the table as we 219 00:12:19,600 --> 00:12:21,160 Speaker 2: work towards that outcome. 220 00:12:21,440 --> 00:12:25,600 Speaker 1: Some really interesting developments in what is a very sad case. 221 00:12:25,920 --> 00:12:28,680 Speaker 1: I'm onanda I think South Australia, but also I think 222 00:12:28,720 --> 00:12:31,160 Speaker 1: the broader country has their eye on m Thank you 223 00:12:31,200 --> 00:12:33,360 Speaker 1: so much for taking us through that. Thanks Sam, and 224 00:12:33,400 --> 00:12:36,000 Speaker 1: thank you for joining us on the Daily OS this morning. 225 00:12:36,000 --> 00:12:37,880 Speaker 1: We're going to be back with some headlines for you 226 00:12:38,040 --> 00:12:44,880 Speaker 1: this afternoon. Until then, have a beautiful day. My name 227 00:12:44,920 --> 00:12:48,160 Speaker 1: is Lily Maddon and I'm a proud Arunda Bunjelung Kalkuttin 228 00:12:48,200 --> 00:12:49,600 Speaker 1: woman from Gadighl Country. 229 00:12:50,440 --> 00:12:53,600 Speaker 4: The Daily oz acknowledges that this podcast is recorded on 230 00:12:53,600 --> 00:12:56,120 Speaker 4: the lands of the Gadighl people and pays respect to 231 00:12:56,160 --> 00:12:59,480 Speaker 4: all Aboriginal and Torres Strait Island and nations. We pay 232 00:12:59,480 --> 00:13:02,440 Speaker 4: our respects to the first peoples of these countries, both 233 00:13:02,520 --> 00:13:03,400 Speaker 4: past and present.