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Speaker 1: Jersey and Amanda jam Nation.

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Speaker 2: Well, we're just days away from Australia's under sixteen social

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Speaker 2: media ban. It's becoming law on the tenth of December.

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Speaker 2: But Meta, the company behind Instagram, Facebook and threads in Australia,

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Speaker 2: is starting that process from today. For more on this,

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Speaker 2: we're joined by social media expert Meg Coffee.

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Speaker 1: Hello Meg, Hello Wow.

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Speaker 2: Before we even get to what Meta's doing as of today,

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Speaker 2: tell us what will happen across the board in Australia.

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Speaker 1: As of the tenth of December.

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Speaker 3: Oh, it's a mess. It really is just a mess,

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Speaker 3: and it's changing all the time. But the simple thing

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Speaker 3: is you're under sixteen social media bye bye, you can't

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Speaker 3: use it anymore.

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Speaker 1: Out of December tap, which is YouTube, which is everything.

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Speaker 3: Look, it is changing. The big ones are the original

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Speaker 3: ones that the ECAHD commissioners come out, you know, Mata,

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Speaker 3: which is Facebook, Instagram, threads. Now Messenger is still allowed,

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Speaker 3: but that could change. Any of these could change any point.

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Speaker 3: All the big ones are saying that you know, as

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Speaker 3: of December tenth, if you are under sixteen, you are

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Speaker 3: no longer allowed to use our account. But come back when.

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Speaker 4: You are Yeah, Well, it's interesting you said. I was

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Speaker 4: following the story of Chloe Cavell. She was our Olympic

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Speaker 4: skateboarding champion, and she's posted she has like over three

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Speaker 4: hundred and twenty thousand followers, but she's posted that she

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Speaker 4: has to shut down her Instagram account until she turned

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Speaker 4: sixteen next month.

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Speaker 1: Did she has sponsorship?

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Speaker 4: Yees, because it's ad failure to do so, I risk

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Speaker 4: losing you all. This is the followers that have followed

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Speaker 4: and supported me from the beginning. I see you all soon.

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Speaker 4: So she financially could lose a lot of stuff in

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Speaker 4: the next few months.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, look for that age group that you know, thirteen

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Speaker 3: to sixteen, because you're not meant to be on social

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Speaker 3: before thirteen. So presuming the thirteen to sixteen year olds

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Speaker 3: that use it, and there are a fair few of them,

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Speaker 3: they're going to be in trouble because if you know

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Speaker 3: you're a child influencer and your way of getting money

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Speaker 3: is taken away from you, it's a little bit difficult.

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Speaker 3: But that's why there's all these new social media apps

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Speaker 3: that are popping up and all the kids are running

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Speaker 3: towards them. The Minister as well as the Safety Commissioner

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Speaker 3: have said that the list of what's being banned is fluid,

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Speaker 3: and that is because if these new apps such as

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Speaker 3: Lemonade or some of these other ones don't follow the

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Speaker 3: rules or are seen to be too socializing or allowing

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Speaker 3: children to socialize too much, they'll be banned too. So

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Speaker 3: the kids are looking for a workaround, the kids that

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Speaker 3: rely on it for an income, it's going to be

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Speaker 3: a life changing thing.

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Speaker 1: How is this policed and are the penalties?

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Speaker 3: So yes, there are penalties. How it's police is going

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Speaker 3: to be a mess, and I think a take going

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Speaker 3: to take a little bit of time to work through. Now.

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Speaker 3: Interestingly enough, some of the apps aren't saying this is

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Speaker 3: specifically how we're going to do it, and I get

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Speaker 3: that because they don't want to be like, if this

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Speaker 3: is how we do it, this is how you can

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Speaker 3: learn to get around it. Right. But it's all coming

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Speaker 3: down to age verification. So Meta is using the third

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Speaker 3: party app so they believe that you are under the

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Speaker 3: age of sixteen, they'll use this third party verification system.

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Speaker 3: A lot of the apps that are using signals like

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Speaker 3: you know me, I've been on Facebook for a lot

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Speaker 3: longer than sixteen years. They're going to know, automatically because

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Speaker 3: my account's so old that I'm old enough to be

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Speaker 3: on the platform other ones, you know, based on what

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Speaker 3: it is you interact with and things like that, it'll

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Speaker 3: send signals. It's also arbitrary. There is no singular system

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Speaker 3: for it, which is going to lead the chaos.

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Speaker 1: So for example, I don't have to verify that I'm

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Speaker 1: not under sixteen.

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Speaker 3: Well no, there, Look there is a chance because you

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Speaker 3: know you do look good.

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Speaker 1: Well, I appreciate it.

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Speaker 3: You know, if it catches you or you do something

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Speaker 3: that the app sinks that you're under sixteen, then yeah,

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Speaker 3: but you and I have both had you know, Facebook

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Speaker 3: since two thousand and seven when it came out that

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Speaker 3: right there kind of qualifies us.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Will this have the design effect? Because no one.

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Speaker 2: Is ignoring the horrors that are happening for young people

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Speaker 2: across social media.

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Speaker 1: No one wants that. Will this fix some of that?

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Speaker 3: Oh look, social media it's what I do all day

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Speaker 3: every day, but it's an evil place. It's you know,

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Speaker 3: it's not good for anyone, children or adults, but you know,

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Speaker 3: we continue to use it anyways. Is this going to

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Speaker 3: solve the problem? I don't think so. There's always going

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Speaker 3: to be workarounds. I do think that it's going to help, though,

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Speaker 3: you know, I've read some quotes about people saying, look,

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Speaker 3: there's still people under eighteen that drink. The law says eighteen,

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Speaker 3: but people find a way around it. I think it's

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Speaker 3: going to be the same with social media. But if

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Speaker 3: it can stop the majority of children being on it,

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Speaker 3: and it can put a damper on some of the

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Speaker 3: horrific stuff that's happening, I am all for that.

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Speaker 4: It's not the car though. When the car came out,

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Speaker 4: they realized that, oh, you're gonna put seatbuilts in it,

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Speaker 4: and you're gonna have speed limits, and you can't drink

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Speaker 4: and drive when you do it. I guess this is

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Speaker 4: the start of that. We made this extraordinary thing and

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Speaker 4: now we have.

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Speaker 2: To be the genie is out of the bottle. But

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Speaker 2: we should not just give up and say therefore we

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Speaker 2: can't do anything. I guess anything's helpful.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I totally agree with what both of you said.

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Speaker 3: The genie is out of the bottle when it comes

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Speaker 3: to technology, when it comes to AI, we're we're not

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Speaker 3: going to be able to go back, but let's put

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Speaker 3: some guardrails in place. Let's put some you know, we

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Speaker 3: try to rely on our humans to be nice and

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Speaker 3: decent people. Sadly it didn't work. So let's put some

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Speaker 3: guardrails in and let's, you know, make it a safer

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Speaker 3: place for everybody.

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Speaker 4: Indeed, I'm gonna get my genie back in the bottle

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Speaker 4: app and.

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Speaker 1: That whiskey Meg.

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Speaker 4: Thank you for joining us, Thank you for giving us

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Speaker 4: some levity.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, see you later.

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Speaker 4: Bye, Make coffee then