1 00:00:01,680 --> 00:00:05,439 Speaker 1: Hello and welcome to Outspoken. Coming up on today's episode, 2 00:00:05,720 --> 00:00:10,040 Speaker 1: influencer Lily Brown's shocking claims that spark debate about social 3 00:00:10,080 --> 00:00:15,000 Speaker 1: media use, the controversy behind Love Island, Australia's contestant selection, 4 00:00:15,560 --> 00:00:18,200 Speaker 1: and is announcing the birth of your baby through a 5 00:00:18,239 --> 00:00:22,000 Speaker 1: paid sponsorship on Instagram Going too Far? But first, So, 6 00:00:22,200 --> 00:00:25,280 Speaker 1: how's your week been? My week has been so busy. 7 00:00:25,400 --> 00:00:28,760 Speaker 1: We've been doing media training with the thirty six's this week. 8 00:00:28,880 --> 00:00:32,120 Speaker 1: We've had countless meetings, very much under the pump. But 9 00:00:32,200 --> 00:00:35,040 Speaker 1: the highlight for me has been in those car rides 10 00:00:35,040 --> 00:00:37,280 Speaker 1: to all of our meetings is catching up on Literally 11 00:00:37,440 --> 00:00:40,040 Speaker 1: Nobody Cares by Sam Magnum. So for those who don't 12 00:00:40,080 --> 00:00:43,479 Speaker 1: know Sam, he's famous for his Instagram rants and his 13 00:00:43,560 --> 00:00:47,040 Speaker 1: blunt views on everyday life. My favorite has been him 14 00:00:47,080 --> 00:00:49,559 Speaker 1: talking about his morning walks that he's been going on. 15 00:00:49,600 --> 00:00:52,040 Speaker 1: He's been getting up at six am because he's been 16 00:00:52,040 --> 00:00:54,200 Speaker 1: trying to lose some weight and tone up for a 17 00:00:54,200 --> 00:00:56,720 Speaker 1: wedding he's going to. And he was just talking about 18 00:00:56,760 --> 00:00:59,360 Speaker 1: those awkward moments in the morning when you pass people 19 00:00:59,360 --> 00:01:01,080 Speaker 1: and you don't know where to say hello, and I 20 00:01:01,200 --> 00:01:03,880 Speaker 1: just thought it was spot on and We're very excited. 21 00:01:03,920 --> 00:01:06,200 Speaker 1: Next week we will be speaking to him on the podcast, 22 00:01:06,240 --> 00:01:09,080 Speaker 1: so I can't wait. That is really exciting. While my 23 00:01:09,120 --> 00:01:11,759 Speaker 1: week has been filled with work, the last two days, 24 00:01:12,120 --> 00:01:15,320 Speaker 1: I've become addicted to this show called Love After lock Up. 25 00:01:15,720 --> 00:01:18,759 Speaker 1: It's on the nine Now app and I just stumbled 26 00:01:18,800 --> 00:01:23,200 Speaker 1: across it. Oh my god. It's basically about people that 27 00:01:23,319 --> 00:01:26,360 Speaker 1: reach out to people that are in prison to become 28 00:01:26,400 --> 00:01:29,120 Speaker 1: their pen pal and basically date them, and it's about 29 00:01:29,120 --> 00:01:32,400 Speaker 1: what happens after they've been released from prison, and it 30 00:01:32,560 --> 00:01:35,960 Speaker 1: is oh so addictive. God, I think I'm going to 31 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:38,240 Speaker 1: go home and start watching that once we finished this. Well, 32 00:01:38,240 --> 00:01:40,160 Speaker 1: the most intriguing thing for me is when I was 33 00:01:40,200 --> 00:01:43,080 Speaker 1: working at Today tonight, we actually did a story about 34 00:01:43,120 --> 00:01:46,280 Speaker 1: people in Australia that were talking to prisoners, and in 35 00:01:46,319 --> 00:01:49,120 Speaker 1: America you always think, oh, that's kind of stuff happens, 36 00:01:49,120 --> 00:01:51,960 Speaker 1: but I actually couldn't believe people were doing it in Australia. 37 00:01:52,080 --> 00:01:54,280 Speaker 1: And talking about TV, I heard you had some rather 38 00:01:54,320 --> 00:01:57,240 Speaker 1: hot gossip about The Bachelor, I do. I've heard this 39 00:01:57,280 --> 00:02:01,639 Speaker 1: from a pretty good source that before The Bachelor cast 40 00:02:01,800 --> 00:02:05,440 Speaker 1: Matt Agnew as its leading man, there was another man 41 00:02:05,840 --> 00:02:08,880 Speaker 1: that they actually really really wanted to be the Bachelor, 42 00:02:08,919 --> 00:02:12,480 Speaker 1: and he was so close to signing. He's a fireman, 43 00:02:13,080 --> 00:02:16,239 Speaker 1: and from what I've heard, he was dating a girl. 44 00:02:16,560 --> 00:02:19,440 Speaker 1: They were kind of on and off in this relationship, 45 00:02:19,560 --> 00:02:22,400 Speaker 1: and so he spoke to the producers for a bit. 46 00:02:22,440 --> 00:02:24,680 Speaker 1: They were really, really keen. They came to his house 47 00:02:24,760 --> 00:02:27,240 Speaker 1: interviewed him, and he said, look, I don't want to 48 00:02:27,280 --> 00:02:30,079 Speaker 1: do the show because I actually want to get back 49 00:02:30,120 --> 00:02:32,480 Speaker 1: with this girl and I want to make things work 50 00:02:32,520 --> 00:02:36,480 Speaker 1: with her. They told him, hey, well she's young and 51 00:02:36,520 --> 00:02:39,200 Speaker 1: pretty and cool. Let's get her on as one of 52 00:02:39,240 --> 00:02:41,920 Speaker 1: the contestants and you can pick her at the end. Well. 53 00:02:41,919 --> 00:02:44,919 Speaker 1: I do remember hearing in an interview with Tim Robards 54 00:02:44,960 --> 00:02:47,840 Speaker 1: that when he was approached to be the Bachelor, he 55 00:02:47,919 --> 00:02:50,400 Speaker 1: was currently dating someone and he had to turn it 56 00:02:50,440 --> 00:02:54,240 Speaker 1: down as well. But suddenly he wasn't dating her anymore. Mmm. 57 00:02:55,919 --> 00:02:58,000 Speaker 1: It wasn't Anna, but I think it gave him the 58 00:02:58,040 --> 00:03:01,680 Speaker 1: push to break up that relationship. Maybe this fireman bachelor 59 00:03:01,720 --> 00:03:03,440 Speaker 1: would have been a really nice guy. The fact that 60 00:03:03,480 --> 00:03:06,200 Speaker 1: he decided to stay. Yeah, well I saw photos of 61 00:03:06,240 --> 00:03:09,400 Speaker 1: them and oh my gosh, they're both so attractive. Well, 62 00:03:09,440 --> 00:03:16,320 Speaker 1: they don't need any help, then, do that now getting 63 00:03:16,360 --> 00:03:19,480 Speaker 1: to our first topic. Last week, twenty year old YouTuber 64 00:03:19,560 --> 00:03:23,800 Speaker 1: and beauty influencer Lily Brown confessed to smoothing out her face, 65 00:03:24,080 --> 00:03:26,720 Speaker 1: sinching in her waist, and making her bum look bigger 66 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:30,480 Speaker 1: with popular filtering app face Tune. During an interview with 67 00:03:30,560 --> 00:03:34,000 Speaker 1: podcaster Tully Smythe, Lily spoke about her struggle to be 68 00:03:34,080 --> 00:03:37,200 Speaker 1: authentic on YouTube, whilst feeling the pressure to live up 69 00:03:37,200 --> 00:03:41,400 Speaker 1: to unrealistic standards on Instagram. With Instagram recognized as the 70 00:03:41,400 --> 00:03:44,960 Speaker 1: platform most likely to negatively impact young women's well being 71 00:03:45,040 --> 00:03:48,360 Speaker 1: and mental health, experts are calling for the platform to 72 00:03:48,400 --> 00:03:52,000 Speaker 1: point out when photos have been digitally manipulated. So what 73 00:03:52,040 --> 00:03:54,760 Speaker 1: were your initial views about the interview? Well, when I 74 00:03:54,800 --> 00:03:57,120 Speaker 1: first heard that Tully was going to be interviewing Lily, 75 00:03:57,160 --> 00:03:59,640 Speaker 1: I was actually really excited because I haven't heard her 76 00:03:59,680 --> 00:04:03,400 Speaker 1: on any podcasts before. I've only seen her content on YouTube, 77 00:04:03,480 --> 00:04:05,720 Speaker 1: and as Tully is a journalist, I was really excited 78 00:04:05,760 --> 00:04:08,320 Speaker 1: to hear her challenge Lily on perhaps a few of 79 00:04:08,320 --> 00:04:11,600 Speaker 1: her views and her comments on body image. So the 80 00:04:11,640 --> 00:04:15,520 Speaker 1: interview started off with Tully asking Lily about what an 81 00:04:15,560 --> 00:04:18,000 Speaker 1: average day is like for her, and she was talking 82 00:04:18,040 --> 00:04:20,560 Speaker 1: about how the second she wakes up, she begins filming 83 00:04:20,600 --> 00:04:23,440 Speaker 1: herself and it can be quite confronting. And she said 84 00:04:23,480 --> 00:04:26,240 Speaker 1: that lots of people just enjoy her basically looking like shit. 85 00:04:26,520 --> 00:04:29,080 Speaker 1: So the conversation was talking about how she is very 86 00:04:29,120 --> 00:04:31,800 Speaker 1: authentic on YouTube. That's when it started to all get 87 00:04:31,800 --> 00:04:34,440 Speaker 1: a bit confusing. Tully went on to say that this 88 00:04:34,520 --> 00:04:37,640 Speaker 1: is why they started the podcast because she really wanted 89 00:04:37,640 --> 00:04:40,240 Speaker 1: to break the perception of influences in the past just 90 00:04:40,279 --> 00:04:43,119 Speaker 1: being about having big tits and you know, their waist 91 00:04:43,200 --> 00:04:46,279 Speaker 1: trainers and skinny me tees. And Lily was sitting there agreeing. 92 00:04:46,480 --> 00:04:49,560 Speaker 1: But then when the topic of face filtering apps got 93 00:04:49,600 --> 00:04:52,080 Speaker 1: brought up, Tully asked her, also, do you use them, 94 00:04:52,120 --> 00:04:55,000 Speaker 1: which she responded, hell yeah. And then I had to 95 00:04:55,040 --> 00:04:58,000 Speaker 1: say that she edited her body, that she made her 96 00:04:58,080 --> 00:05:01,279 Speaker 1: ass bigger. So it was really confusing because we have 97 00:05:01,440 --> 00:05:04,520 Speaker 1: this kind of contradiction of wanting to be really authentic. 98 00:05:04,839 --> 00:05:07,040 Speaker 1: But then her discussing the fact that she edits all 99 00:05:07,040 --> 00:05:10,640 Speaker 1: of her photos to her predominantly very young crowd. Yeah, 100 00:05:10,720 --> 00:05:13,559 Speaker 1: my ears definitely pricked up when she started talking about 101 00:05:13,600 --> 00:05:16,040 Speaker 1: her use of face tune, and as you said, it 102 00:05:16,080 --> 00:05:19,440 Speaker 1: was rather contradictory. A lot of the topics she discussed, 103 00:05:19,520 --> 00:05:22,279 Speaker 1: because in one breath she was talking about how she'd 104 00:05:22,320 --> 00:05:26,599 Speaker 1: never promote sex products because they were, you know, she 105 00:05:26,680 --> 00:05:30,000 Speaker 1: had such a young audience. But then she openly admitted 106 00:05:30,040 --> 00:05:32,880 Speaker 1: to manipulating her photos to the point of making herself, 107 00:05:32,920 --> 00:05:35,359 Speaker 1: as you said, have a big bum. But she doesn't 108 00:05:35,400 --> 00:05:38,000 Speaker 1: see how damaging that could potentially be to the young girl. 109 00:05:38,160 --> 00:05:39,600 Speaker 1: She was quick to say, Oh, you know, you've got 110 00:05:39,640 --> 00:05:42,640 Speaker 1: to be a bit careful sometimes when you're altering your photos, 111 00:05:42,720 --> 00:05:46,120 Speaker 1: because when you're filming on YouTube, people can notice that. 112 00:05:46,200 --> 00:05:49,080 Speaker 1: So there's obviously some form of deception going on, and 113 00:05:49,120 --> 00:05:51,120 Speaker 1: that's what troubled me a bit. That seemed to be 114 00:05:51,160 --> 00:05:53,760 Speaker 1: the biggest dilemma with the face tuning was, Oh, people 115 00:05:53,839 --> 00:05:56,279 Speaker 1: might realize I'm face tuning. No, the problem is that 116 00:05:56,320 --> 00:05:59,160 Speaker 1: you're putting out a fake persona to your very young audience. 117 00:05:59,200 --> 00:06:01,440 Speaker 1: That's what the issue is. I am a huge fan 118 00:06:01,520 --> 00:06:04,520 Speaker 1: of Tully. I think she's incredibly smart, and I could 119 00:06:04,680 --> 00:06:06,919 Speaker 1: sense in the way she was responding to her that 120 00:06:06,960 --> 00:06:09,400 Speaker 1: she probably didn't really agree with what she was saying, 121 00:06:09,440 --> 00:06:11,560 Speaker 1: but out of politeness, she was kind of trying to 122 00:06:11,640 --> 00:06:15,440 Speaker 1: rain her back in and bring home that message of authenticity. 123 00:06:15,560 --> 00:06:18,240 Speaker 1: There is another side to the argument. Was it brave 124 00:06:18,320 --> 00:06:21,400 Speaker 1: of Lily to admit that she does face tune these photos. 125 00:06:22,200 --> 00:06:24,239 Speaker 1: I don't know if I feel like it was more 126 00:06:24,680 --> 00:06:27,719 Speaker 1: she said it kind of off the cuff, She didn't 127 00:06:27,760 --> 00:06:30,160 Speaker 1: really think about what she was saying. It was kind 128 00:06:30,200 --> 00:06:33,040 Speaker 1: of more in a joking way I felt. I think 129 00:06:33,120 --> 00:06:35,839 Speaker 1: it also says a lot about the influencer community. It's 130 00:06:35,960 --> 00:06:39,400 Speaker 1: very prevalent in the influencer world to edit your photos. 131 00:06:39,440 --> 00:06:41,880 Speaker 1: It's almost odd if you don't edit your photos. But 132 00:06:41,920 --> 00:06:45,159 Speaker 1: it is interesting to reflect on our friends that we follow. 133 00:06:45,480 --> 00:06:49,200 Speaker 1: I feel like we readily accept influencers who edit their photos, 134 00:06:49,240 --> 00:06:51,160 Speaker 1: but if one of our friends was suddenly to pop 135 00:06:51,240 --> 00:06:54,240 Speaker 1: up with a really skinny waiste or really fake white teeth, 136 00:06:54,279 --> 00:06:57,960 Speaker 1: we'll probably mock them. The most disturbing thing, though, is 137 00:06:58,040 --> 00:07:01,440 Speaker 1: all the girls that are following these YouTubers and influencers. 138 00:07:01,480 --> 00:07:03,960 Speaker 1: I mean, I've been disturbed in the past at some 139 00:07:04,040 --> 00:07:06,320 Speaker 1: of the content that they will put online in terms 140 00:07:06,360 --> 00:07:08,360 Speaker 1: of just the sexual nature of it. It's a bit 141 00:07:08,400 --> 00:07:11,160 Speaker 1: concerning the amount of twelve year olds that would be 142 00:07:11,240 --> 00:07:13,480 Speaker 1: viewing that. Now, for those who haven't used face tune, 143 00:07:13,520 --> 00:07:15,640 Speaker 1: I have to admit I have never used it, but 144 00:07:15,720 --> 00:07:17,840 Speaker 1: I wanted to see what it was like to actually 145 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:19,920 Speaker 1: use it. So I put up a photo of myself 146 00:07:19,920 --> 00:07:23,840 Speaker 1: and started altering my waist and my legs. And you 147 00:07:24,000 --> 00:07:26,960 Speaker 1: feel like shit when you see the before photo. Then 148 00:07:26,960 --> 00:07:29,520 Speaker 1: when you're flicking back and forth, it does give you 149 00:07:29,560 --> 00:07:32,280 Speaker 1: this strange sense that you're not good enough for that 150 00:07:32,360 --> 00:07:35,640 Speaker 1: you need to change. This isn't about putting blame Lulli 151 00:07:35,720 --> 00:07:38,320 Speaker 1: Brown for doing this. You look at the likes of 152 00:07:38,360 --> 00:07:42,240 Speaker 1: Courtney Kardashian and Kim Kardashian, who are arguably some of 153 00:07:42,240 --> 00:07:44,440 Speaker 1: the most attractive people in the world, and they've been 154 00:07:44,480 --> 00:07:47,000 Speaker 1: caught out doing it. It is very much commonplace for 155 00:07:47,080 --> 00:07:51,920 Speaker 1: Instagram influences and celebrities. For those who don't know, face 156 00:07:51,960 --> 00:07:54,440 Speaker 1: Tune was originally called light Tricks and it was launched 157 00:07:54,440 --> 00:07:58,000 Speaker 1: in twenty thirteen by five Israeli friends, four of which 158 00:07:58,080 --> 00:08:01,840 Speaker 1: were computer science PhDs students, and then within two years 159 00:08:01,840 --> 00:08:04,840 Speaker 1: they generated eighteen million dollars in revenue from the app. 160 00:08:05,040 --> 00:08:07,520 Speaker 1: So it shows that it isn't just influencers and celebrities 161 00:08:07,560 --> 00:08:09,840 Speaker 1: who are trying out these apps. You might not post 162 00:08:09,880 --> 00:08:12,280 Speaker 1: the photo, but you are engaging. Sure a lot of 163 00:08:12,320 --> 00:08:15,280 Speaker 1: people do post the photo. I'm sure that they feel 164 00:08:15,320 --> 00:08:18,520 Speaker 1: the pressure from these kind of perfect photos that get 165 00:08:18,560 --> 00:08:21,520 Speaker 1: put up to filter themselves. When you take a look 166 00:08:21,560 --> 00:08:23,600 Speaker 1: at what some of these tools on face tune do, 167 00:08:23,760 --> 00:08:27,280 Speaker 1: it's quite shocking. There is a tool called the Fierce Tool, 168 00:08:27,360 --> 00:08:29,040 Speaker 1: so you can just click it and it will change 169 00:08:29,040 --> 00:08:32,320 Speaker 1: your expression to a Tyra Banks Fierce post. Or there's 170 00:08:32,360 --> 00:08:34,640 Speaker 1: one that's a cute one, so it'll change the shape 171 00:08:34,640 --> 00:08:36,920 Speaker 1: of your eyes. And there's even one called the Seduce 172 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:39,959 Speaker 1: which will plump up your lips. Oh my gosh, I 173 00:08:40,400 --> 00:08:42,040 Speaker 1: saw one. I don't know if this is face tuned, 174 00:08:42,040 --> 00:08:44,120 Speaker 1: but it was an ad on Instagram, and there was 175 00:08:44,240 --> 00:08:46,680 Speaker 1: one tool where you could make yourself look like you 176 00:08:46,720 --> 00:08:50,559 Speaker 1: have abs if you're a guy specifically. I think the 177 00:08:50,679 --> 00:08:53,280 Speaker 1: dangers here are though that you know, growing up, we've 178 00:08:53,280 --> 00:08:56,440 Speaker 1: always known that magazines are photo shopped, but now it's 179 00:08:56,480 --> 00:08:59,960 Speaker 1: everyday people that are photo shopping these images. There's actually 180 00:08:59,920 --> 00:09:02,679 Speaker 1: a phenomenon known as Instagram face. Have you heard it? No, 181 00:09:03,120 --> 00:09:06,360 Speaker 1: I've never heard of that. So Instagram face is the 182 00:09:06,800 --> 00:09:09,719 Speaker 1: big lips, the big eyes, the faces that don't really 183 00:09:09,800 --> 00:09:12,160 Speaker 1: seem real. You would never see someone on the street 184 00:09:12,160 --> 00:09:14,440 Speaker 1: with these human so it's just a term to describe 185 00:09:14,440 --> 00:09:17,079 Speaker 1: a face that's but it's something that we're readily seeing 186 00:09:17,080 --> 00:09:19,480 Speaker 1: in our feeds and thinking is actually a real face. 187 00:09:19,679 --> 00:09:22,560 Speaker 1: I listened to an ABC podcast recently and they were 188 00:09:22,640 --> 00:09:26,079 Speaker 1: saying that people are now taking in photos of their 189 00:09:26,120 --> 00:09:28,440 Speaker 1: own faces with a filter on it and are asking 190 00:09:28,480 --> 00:09:30,440 Speaker 1: to have plastic surgery to be made to look like 191 00:09:30,440 --> 00:09:34,080 Speaker 1: their filter. I heard something kind of disturbing. But there's 192 00:09:34,120 --> 00:09:37,640 Speaker 1: a large percentage of young girls who are actually too 193 00:09:37,679 --> 00:09:40,600 Speaker 1: scared to go to the parties that they've been invited 194 00:09:40,640 --> 00:09:43,120 Speaker 1: to because they don't actually live up to how they've 195 00:09:43,120 --> 00:09:46,800 Speaker 1: portrayed themselves online. It's time that Instagram does something about it. 196 00:09:46,840 --> 00:09:49,960 Speaker 1: A couple of weeks ago, they banned miracle diet posts, 197 00:09:49,960 --> 00:09:52,160 Speaker 1: but that's just for eighteen year old So what's stopping 198 00:09:52,559 --> 00:09:55,319 Speaker 1: young girls in their twenties for engaging with this type 199 00:09:55,320 --> 00:09:57,640 Speaker 1: of content. We need to stop having this bullshit from 200 00:09:57,679 --> 00:10:00,280 Speaker 1: Instagram that they're actually concerned about people's mental health by 201 00:10:00,320 --> 00:10:04,200 Speaker 1: removing likes. This week, they've removed likes on Facebook as well, 202 00:10:04,400 --> 00:10:07,560 Speaker 1: but many studies are actually showing it is these digital 203 00:10:07,640 --> 00:10:12,760 Speaker 1: enhancement of photos that is way more damaging than Facebook likes. Well, 204 00:10:12,800 --> 00:10:14,920 Speaker 1: maybe then it's the job of the top influences to 205 00:10:14,960 --> 00:10:23,199 Speaker 1: stop using these apps and start posting realistic photos. Thank you. Now, 206 00:10:23,240 --> 00:10:25,840 Speaker 1: moving on to our top headlines. This one's from news 207 00:10:25,880 --> 00:10:28,320 Speaker 1: dot com dot Au and reads keeping up with the 208 00:10:28,360 --> 00:10:33,920 Speaker 1: Kardashian Star Malika announces pregnancy and Instagram sponsored post. Malika 209 00:10:33,920 --> 00:10:36,960 Speaker 1: has come out and shocked everyone by announcing this pregnancy 210 00:10:37,400 --> 00:10:40,680 Speaker 1: and the photo shows her posing with a beyond Blue 211 00:10:40,720 --> 00:10:44,000 Speaker 1: pregnancy test which clearly shows that it's positive. And you 212 00:10:44,040 --> 00:10:46,640 Speaker 1: can tell that this photo is a professional photo. It's 213 00:10:46,679 --> 00:10:49,719 Speaker 1: a stunning photo of her and at the top of 214 00:10:49,760 --> 00:10:51,880 Speaker 1: the post, it clearly states that this is a paid 215 00:10:52,040 --> 00:10:55,240 Speaker 1: advertisement and it reads, I listen to my heart and 216 00:10:55,280 --> 00:10:57,320 Speaker 1: I've decided that the rest of my life will be 217 00:10:57,320 --> 00:10:59,800 Speaker 1: the best of my life. I'm pregnant. I didn't know. 218 00:11:00,240 --> 00:11:02,880 Speaker 1: I just knew one day. God said it's my turn, 219 00:11:02,920 --> 00:11:05,160 Speaker 1: and I couldn't be more grateful for the little spirit 220 00:11:05,200 --> 00:11:07,520 Speaker 1: that grows inside of me. I'm yours baby, and you 221 00:11:07,559 --> 00:11:10,800 Speaker 1: are mine. Thank you clear Blue for being a clear 222 00:11:10,920 --> 00:11:13,520 Speaker 1: and intricate part of the most important test result of 223 00:11:13,559 --> 00:11:17,079 Speaker 1: my life. Twenty twenty baby hashtag clear Blue confirmed hash 224 00:11:17,280 --> 00:11:20,320 Speaker 1: tag Clear Blue Partner. This is almost as taky as 225 00:11:20,360 --> 00:11:23,880 Speaker 1: Syrell and Eden's baby announcement. Oh come on, nothing can 226 00:11:23,920 --> 00:11:27,560 Speaker 1: beat that announcement. Well, the thing that's quite shocking too 227 00:11:27,800 --> 00:11:32,400 Speaker 1: is that Malika hasn't named who the baby daddy is. No, 228 00:11:32,800 --> 00:11:35,320 Speaker 1: she's keeping that a secret. She said in an interview 229 00:11:35,360 --> 00:11:38,240 Speaker 1: with People Magazine that she first learned she was pregnant 230 00:11:38,559 --> 00:11:41,760 Speaker 1: after she partnered with Clear Blue, and apparently she began 231 00:11:41,880 --> 00:11:45,200 Speaker 1: monitoring her body for several months with clear Boo's Advanced 232 00:11:45,240 --> 00:11:48,200 Speaker 1: digital ovulation test and then realized she was pregnant. So 233 00:11:48,200 --> 00:11:51,080 Speaker 1: we're supposed to believe that she doesn't have a long 234 00:11:51,160 --> 00:11:55,680 Speaker 1: term partner, yet she's using this clear Blue to make 235 00:11:55,720 --> 00:11:58,480 Speaker 1: sure she knows when she's ovulating. So that makes no 236 00:11:58,559 --> 00:12:01,480 Speaker 1: sense whatsoever. I'm tweeted I love this that they said, 237 00:12:01,480 --> 00:12:03,360 Speaker 1: oh gee, Chris Jenna must have had something to do 238 00:12:03,440 --> 00:12:06,199 Speaker 1: with this sponsorship. I feel like Chris Jenna would be 239 00:12:06,240 --> 00:12:10,239 Speaker 1: more clever than these tacky hashtags, and it's just so staged. 240 00:12:10,840 --> 00:12:12,920 Speaker 1: I think it's a bit tacky. But you know what, 241 00:12:13,400 --> 00:12:15,560 Speaker 1: if I'd love to know how much money she made 242 00:12:15,559 --> 00:12:17,880 Speaker 1: from it, and if that's going towards maybe the baby's 243 00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:20,160 Speaker 1: education in the future. Maybe it's a good thing. Well, 244 00:12:20,200 --> 00:12:23,040 Speaker 1: I'm sure that she's probably dating a basketballerlike Chloe, and 245 00:12:23,040 --> 00:12:25,640 Speaker 1: I'm sure he probably has enough money for the child's education. 246 00:12:25,760 --> 00:12:30,040 Speaker 1: She doesn't need to resort to this. Probably. Our next 247 00:12:30,040 --> 00:12:32,280 Speaker 1: headline is from the Daily Mail and it reads, I 248 00:12:32,320 --> 00:12:35,520 Speaker 1: eat my first meal around midday and a Heinrich reveals 249 00:12:35,520 --> 00:12:38,079 Speaker 1: a secret to her incredible bikini body and it's all 250 00:12:38,120 --> 00:12:41,600 Speaker 1: down to skipping breakfast. What did you make of this one, Amy? Well? 251 00:12:41,640 --> 00:12:44,200 Speaker 1: I love Anna and as we all know, she's married 252 00:12:44,200 --> 00:12:47,199 Speaker 1: to Tim Robards, who has his own diet. He spook, 253 00:12:47,240 --> 00:12:49,760 Speaker 1: so I wondered what he thought about this. I'd like 254 00:12:49,800 --> 00:12:52,200 Speaker 1: to know how true it actually is. So basically in 255 00:12:52,240 --> 00:12:55,800 Speaker 1: the article, she revealed that she started eating bread again 256 00:12:55,920 --> 00:12:58,400 Speaker 1: and she has avocado and toast every day. Oh my god, 257 00:12:58,440 --> 00:13:00,640 Speaker 1: me too. We must be so similar. And she revealed 258 00:13:00,640 --> 00:13:04,440 Speaker 1: that she'll start eating at around twelve o'clock and that's 259 00:13:04,640 --> 00:13:07,480 Speaker 1: apparently the secret behind her baking body. There's pretty much 260 00:13:07,520 --> 00:13:09,640 Speaker 1: intimitute fast in which everyone seems to be doing at 261 00:13:09,679 --> 00:13:12,440 Speaker 1: the moment. I am just so sick of these celebrity 262 00:13:12,480 --> 00:13:15,640 Speaker 1: on a plate stories. Why is it necessary she's a lawyer, 263 00:13:15,679 --> 00:13:17,400 Speaker 1: she's on this new show. Is there nothing else that 264 00:13:17,440 --> 00:13:19,360 Speaker 1: we can talk to her about that's got a bit 265 00:13:19,400 --> 00:13:23,000 Speaker 1: more substance than this. Well, the article's clearly out there because, 266 00:13:23,040 --> 00:13:25,960 Speaker 1: as you said, she's on this new Channel seven show, 267 00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:28,760 Speaker 1: The Real Dirty Dancing, And I suppose I don't know, 268 00:13:28,840 --> 00:13:30,400 Speaker 1: is this the only thing that we can make her 269 00:13:30,440 --> 00:13:33,160 Speaker 1: relevant talking about her body? Is it maybe the fact 270 00:13:33,200 --> 00:13:36,120 Speaker 1: she's looking skinny because she's on a dancing program and 271 00:13:36,160 --> 00:13:39,920 Speaker 1: she's been doing a huge different workout routine. Could that 272 00:13:39,920 --> 00:13:42,760 Speaker 1: perhaps be down to it instead of just skipping breakfast? Perhaps? 273 00:13:42,760 --> 00:13:46,160 Speaker 1: I mean, this was Daily Mail's top story today. I 274 00:13:46,200 --> 00:13:48,280 Speaker 1: was like, wow, there must be nothing going on, a 275 00:13:48,360 --> 00:13:51,080 Speaker 1: bit of a slow news day. No one's funerals to crash. 276 00:13:51,920 --> 00:13:54,720 Speaker 1: The next article is also from the Daily Mail, and 277 00:13:54,800 --> 00:13:57,440 Speaker 1: it says, I remember him trying to kiss me? Nicki 278 00:13:57,480 --> 00:14:00,359 Speaker 1: Webster reveals she was once set up on an awkward 279 00:14:00,400 --> 00:14:03,160 Speaker 1: blind date with troubled singer Aaron Carter, And of course 280 00:14:03,200 --> 00:14:05,800 Speaker 1: Aaron Carter's been in the news for all the wrong 281 00:14:05,880 --> 00:14:08,560 Speaker 1: reasons recently. Can I butt in? Was it strawberry kisses 282 00:14:08,559 --> 00:14:12,840 Speaker 1: that they shed? Well, apparently she didn't kiss him, so yeah. 283 00:14:12,840 --> 00:14:15,200 Speaker 1: She was on an interview with Carl and Jackie Oh, 284 00:14:15,240 --> 00:14:18,880 Speaker 1: and she reminded them how they actually set her up 285 00:14:18,880 --> 00:14:22,280 Speaker 1: on a blind date twelve going out with Hillary Duff 286 00:14:22,280 --> 00:14:25,680 Speaker 1: and Lindsay Lowen around this time. Oh, who knows. But 287 00:14:25,880 --> 00:14:28,520 Speaker 1: she did say that he tried to kiss her and 288 00:14:28,560 --> 00:14:30,920 Speaker 1: then she said she was too innocent, she didn't really 289 00:14:31,000 --> 00:14:32,720 Speaker 1: know what was going on, and then he tried to 290 00:14:32,760 --> 00:14:35,200 Speaker 1: kiss another girl and she thought, hmm, okay, I know 291 00:14:35,240 --> 00:14:37,880 Speaker 1: what you're like. I'm more troubled by the huge Rihanna 292 00:14:37,880 --> 00:14:40,760 Speaker 1: tattoo that Aaron Carter has recently got on his face. 293 00:14:42,280 --> 00:14:45,640 Speaker 1: It's just getting uglier and uglier. It is very sad 294 00:14:45,680 --> 00:14:47,160 Speaker 1: and we do hope that he can get the help 295 00:14:47,160 --> 00:14:50,320 Speaker 1: that he clearly needs at the moment. Onto our next 296 00:14:50,320 --> 00:14:52,760 Speaker 1: topic and UK. Love Island was one of the most 297 00:14:52,800 --> 00:14:55,600 Speaker 1: watched shows around the globe this winter, with you as 298 00:14:55,640 --> 00:14:59,720 Speaker 1: mesmerized by the love triangles, drama, hilarious banter and of 299 00:14:59,760 --> 00:15:03,080 Speaker 1: cour some real love stories. Now, the second series of 300 00:15:03,120 --> 00:15:06,200 Speaker 1: Love Island Australia is just days away, but the cast 301 00:15:06,240 --> 00:15:10,400 Speaker 1: announcement has raised a few eyebrows Amy, what were your thoughts? Well, 302 00:15:10,440 --> 00:15:13,440 Speaker 1: The cast have started appearing in adverts for the program 303 00:15:13,600 --> 00:15:17,000 Speaker 1: just this week and online publicists for the show have 304 00:15:17,120 --> 00:15:20,800 Speaker 1: clearly leaked all the Instagram accounts for the contestants. In 305 00:15:20,840 --> 00:15:24,240 Speaker 1: the past, people have always said that contestants just go 306 00:15:24,320 --> 00:15:27,320 Speaker 1: on Love Island to get Instagram followings, But this year, 307 00:15:27,440 --> 00:15:30,520 Speaker 1: some of them have already got the Instagram following. Maybe 308 00:15:30,880 --> 00:15:35,000 Speaker 1: the producers of Love Island have specifically targeted people with 309 00:15:35,040 --> 00:15:37,840 Speaker 1: big followings in order to promote the show to an 310 00:15:37,920 --> 00:15:40,520 Speaker 1: even bigger audience. I think you're spot on, because going 311 00:15:40,560 --> 00:15:42,920 Speaker 1: back to the Lily Brown interview we're talking about earlier, 312 00:15:42,960 --> 00:15:45,120 Speaker 1: she was actually questioned whether she would want to be 313 00:15:45,200 --> 00:15:47,840 Speaker 1: on Love Island, and that's a question that's being thrown 314 00:15:47,880 --> 00:15:50,600 Speaker 1: around to a lot of influencers I hear interviewed. So 315 00:15:50,680 --> 00:15:53,320 Speaker 1: the producers must be on a hunt for influencers who 316 00:15:53,360 --> 00:15:56,520 Speaker 1: already have that audience. Oh for sure. I mean one 317 00:15:56,560 --> 00:16:02,600 Speaker 1: of the contestants. Her name is Vanessa and she's best 318 00:16:02,680 --> 00:16:06,760 Speaker 1: known for dating. So let's get this right. Jessica Power 319 00:16:06,880 --> 00:16:11,960 Speaker 1: from Married at First Sight's hot in quotations Brother Reese. 320 00:16:12,080 --> 00:16:15,000 Speaker 1: Now this is the same brother that had a string 321 00:16:15,040 --> 00:16:18,440 Speaker 1: of domestic violence claims out about him. Yes, that's him, 322 00:16:18,760 --> 00:16:22,760 Speaker 1: and she has forty three thousand followers on Instagram. She's 323 00:16:22,880 --> 00:16:26,560 Speaker 1: apparently a model, and did she grow her following through 324 00:16:26,680 --> 00:16:28,520 Speaker 1: Jessica power or is this just to her? I think 325 00:16:28,520 --> 00:16:30,760 Speaker 1: she's a model. No, I don't think so. I think 326 00:16:30,760 --> 00:16:33,720 Speaker 1: she's had it around for a while. And she posts 327 00:16:33,720 --> 00:16:36,480 Speaker 1: photos of herself, of course, in bikinis, and there's a 328 00:16:36,480 --> 00:16:40,040 Speaker 1: photo of her completely naked on a sun laundra in 329 00:16:40,080 --> 00:16:43,400 Speaker 1: Balley which she's captioned apparently, if you sneeze and fart 330 00:16:43,440 --> 00:16:45,680 Speaker 1: at the same time, your body takes the screenshot. So 331 00:16:45,760 --> 00:16:49,320 Speaker 1: that's very insightfuls see. But what's kind of sad is 332 00:16:49,360 --> 00:16:52,360 Speaker 1: the state of reality television in Australia that we're having 333 00:16:52,400 --> 00:16:55,680 Speaker 1: to poach the girlfriend of someone's brother that was on 334 00:16:55,720 --> 00:16:59,720 Speaker 1: a reality show. And also there's been rumors that Jessica 335 00:16:59,760 --> 00:17:02,280 Speaker 1: power Oh might pop up on Love Island, and I 336 00:17:02,320 --> 00:17:05,440 Speaker 1: reckon those rumors are one hundred percent true. Now we've 337 00:17:05,440 --> 00:17:09,679 Speaker 1: heard Vanessa's in there because producers are wanting fireworks on 338 00:17:09,760 --> 00:17:12,720 Speaker 1: this series and fights and what better way than to 339 00:17:12,720 --> 00:17:15,960 Speaker 1: put two people who clearly hate each other in the villa. Well, 340 00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:18,600 Speaker 1: she did hint on Instagram that she would be revealing 341 00:17:18,640 --> 00:17:21,639 Speaker 1: something very exciting in regards to Love Island, so he 342 00:17:21,720 --> 00:17:23,600 Speaker 1: may just be that that she will appear as an 343 00:17:23,640 --> 00:17:27,320 Speaker 1: intruder on the show. Now there's another guy called Gerage 344 00:17:27,480 --> 00:17:31,200 Speaker 1: and he's also got He's got about eleven thousand followers 345 00:17:31,240 --> 00:17:34,840 Speaker 1: on Instagram and he's a twenty three year old nudist 346 00:17:34,960 --> 00:17:37,919 Speaker 1: from Perth. He's a personal trainer, so he stares cooking 347 00:17:37,960 --> 00:17:40,720 Speaker 1: in the nude and as you do, I know, there's 348 00:17:40,720 --> 00:17:42,880 Speaker 1: a photo of him in front of the Eiffel Tower nude. 349 00:17:43,280 --> 00:17:46,199 Speaker 1: And the funny thing I saw in his Instagram was 350 00:17:46,240 --> 00:17:49,560 Speaker 1: he does his cooking segments with his mum and he's nude, 351 00:17:49,560 --> 00:17:52,400 Speaker 1: but he's got a apron on and his bum's hanging out. 352 00:17:52,560 --> 00:17:56,520 Speaker 1: That's disgusting. And his mom is really reminiscent of Anton's 353 00:17:56,560 --> 00:17:59,200 Speaker 1: mum on the UK Love Island, so she'll be expecting 354 00:17:59,240 --> 00:18:01,520 Speaker 1: a song from her later in this series. Well, I 355 00:18:01,600 --> 00:18:05,560 Speaker 1: was thinking Gerard's ass looks pretty smooth. Maybe she's been 356 00:18:05,600 --> 00:18:08,840 Speaker 1: shaving it like Anton's mum. Something that also struck me 357 00:18:09,080 --> 00:18:12,560 Speaker 1: was maybe Australia is leaning towards influences because Molly May 358 00:18:12,720 --> 00:18:14,960 Speaker 1: was one of the most popular contestants on the UK 359 00:18:15,200 --> 00:18:19,000 Speaker 1: series and she was a very popular YouTuber. Well, I 360 00:18:19,160 --> 00:18:23,520 Speaker 1: think that They've clearly had a very short time to 361 00:18:23,600 --> 00:18:27,560 Speaker 1: get these contestants. I've heard from interviews from UK Love 362 00:18:27,600 --> 00:18:30,360 Speaker 1: Island contestants that in their series it was a three 363 00:18:30,480 --> 00:18:33,159 Speaker 1: month interview process, which is why the people on the 364 00:18:33,200 --> 00:18:36,920 Speaker 1: show are so good. So I'm assuming a lack of budget, 365 00:18:36,960 --> 00:18:39,720 Speaker 1: a lack of time has made producers resort to going 366 00:18:39,760 --> 00:18:42,280 Speaker 1: online and on YouTube and Instagram. You can actually see 367 00:18:42,320 --> 00:18:45,040 Speaker 1: videos and see what their personality is like, and I 368 00:18:45,080 --> 00:18:47,560 Speaker 1: could actually see why some of these people have been 369 00:18:47,720 --> 00:18:51,639 Speaker 1: chosen and who else's of interests on this lineup. Well, 370 00:18:51,920 --> 00:18:54,960 Speaker 1: in terms of people that aren't influencers. There's a girl 371 00:18:55,000 --> 00:18:59,000 Speaker 1: called Cassie and she's a tattooed, blonde, twenty seven year 372 00:18:59,040 --> 00:19:01,919 Speaker 1: old's I've got about two thousand or She started off 373 00:19:01,960 --> 00:19:05,000 Speaker 1: having two thousand followers on Instagram. It's already jumped to 374 00:19:05,119 --> 00:19:08,480 Speaker 1: three thousand in just a day. She's originally from London. 375 00:19:08,880 --> 00:19:11,600 Speaker 1: It says she's a socialite and she's apparently wants to 376 00:19:11,640 --> 00:19:13,560 Speaker 1: settle down and find love. I think you're going to 377 00:19:13,600 --> 00:19:16,119 Speaker 1: be hard struck to find love with some of these guys. 378 00:19:16,880 --> 00:19:19,560 Speaker 1: The first series of the Australian Love Ireland was highly 379 00:19:19,560 --> 00:19:23,280 Speaker 1: criticized for its lack of diversity, and unfortunately, if the 380 00:19:23,400 --> 00:19:25,800 Speaker 1: first contestants or anything to go by, it doesn't seem 381 00:19:25,840 --> 00:19:28,399 Speaker 1: like we will be seeing that diversity that everyone seems 382 00:19:28,400 --> 00:19:31,320 Speaker 1: to be craving at the moment. Well compared to last year. 383 00:19:31,600 --> 00:19:34,639 Speaker 1: I did see that there was a woman of color 384 00:19:34,800 --> 00:19:37,440 Speaker 1: on there, which is great to see. And I suppose 385 00:19:37,480 --> 00:19:40,359 Speaker 1: we won't know until the series plays out because they're 386 00:19:40,400 --> 00:19:42,359 Speaker 1: just the first group of contestants, so they may have 387 00:19:42,400 --> 00:19:45,879 Speaker 1: actually listened to people's feedback. Maybe they think diversity is 388 00:19:45,920 --> 00:19:50,280 Speaker 1: tattoos because there are two girls with sleeve tattoos who 389 00:19:50,359 --> 00:19:53,280 Speaker 1: have been announced as the first contestants. Well, yeah, well 390 00:19:53,280 --> 00:19:56,720 Speaker 1: that's Vanessa and that's Casey. And then the other girl 391 00:19:56,720 --> 00:19:59,520 Speaker 1: that's been announced is a twenty three year old from 392 00:19:59,560 --> 00:20:03,280 Speaker 1: tasmais called Jesse and she's got fifty four thousand followers 393 00:20:03,840 --> 00:20:06,439 Speaker 1: that she's a waitress. Yeah, so she's been billed as 394 00:20:06,440 --> 00:20:10,439 Speaker 1: a waitress, which actually means influencer. Okay, and she was 395 00:20:10,480 --> 00:20:13,720 Speaker 1: a finalist for Miss Universe. The person I haven't seen's 396 00:20:13,760 --> 00:20:15,800 Speaker 1: instagram is have you seen the ads of the girl 397 00:20:16,080 --> 00:20:19,439 Speaker 1: that says that she's already in love with Jesus but 398 00:20:19,560 --> 00:20:22,680 Speaker 1: she's willing to let a new man into her life. No, 399 00:20:22,720 --> 00:20:24,720 Speaker 1: I haven't. I feel like she might be on the 400 00:20:24,760 --> 00:20:28,000 Speaker 1: wrong show. That's my initial thoughts. My one of my 401 00:20:28,040 --> 00:20:31,920 Speaker 1: guilty pleasures is reading the comments on the Daily Mail's posts, 402 00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:33,800 Speaker 1: and of course I had to have a look at 403 00:20:33,800 --> 00:20:37,199 Speaker 1: what people were saying about the Love Island announcement and 404 00:20:37,240 --> 00:20:39,240 Speaker 1: these are some of the comments that stood out to me. 405 00:20:39,720 --> 00:20:42,560 Speaker 1: So just fake wannabe models who want to boost their 406 00:20:42,720 --> 00:20:45,719 Speaker 1: likes on Instagram? Who would watch this garbage? Well, to 407 00:20:45,760 --> 00:20:48,560 Speaker 1: answer your response, Sophie and I will be watching this garbage. 408 00:20:48,600 --> 00:20:51,560 Speaker 1: That being said, I am just so in love with 409 00:20:51,640 --> 00:20:54,520 Speaker 1: the UK season. Yeah that I just don't know if 410 00:20:54,560 --> 00:20:57,000 Speaker 1: I can let these people into my life. I'm going 411 00:20:57,080 --> 00:20:58,960 Speaker 1: to give it a go. Oh my god, I'll be watching. 412 00:20:59,440 --> 00:21:03,399 Speaker 1: The next comment meant that I enjoyed was narcissists, check 413 00:21:03,680 --> 00:21:07,560 Speaker 1: self proclaimed influences, check no real job, check the perfect 414 00:21:07,640 --> 00:21:10,520 Speaker 1: recipe for garbage TV. And this is what disappointed me. 415 00:21:10,600 --> 00:21:13,199 Speaker 1: I keep harping on about UK Love Island, but there 416 00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:15,400 Speaker 1: are a few people who had interesting jobs on there. 417 00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:17,359 Speaker 1: I hope some of these people that are coming in 418 00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:20,679 Speaker 1: after this cast have interesting job. There is a wrestler 419 00:21:20,960 --> 00:21:23,600 Speaker 1: on there, so he's going to be Tommy, Is that right? Tammy? 420 00:21:23,800 --> 00:21:26,800 Speaker 1: Tommy wasn't a wrestler, he was a boxer, the same thing. Well, 421 00:21:27,080 --> 00:21:29,240 Speaker 1: what I want to do is you may see in 422 00:21:29,280 --> 00:21:31,199 Speaker 1: the next couple of days on our Instagram I'm going 423 00:21:31,240 --> 00:21:33,159 Speaker 1: to have a look at all the people that have 424 00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:35,760 Speaker 1: been cast on the Australian one, and I have a 425 00:21:35,800 --> 00:21:38,320 Speaker 1: feeling they are just copies of people that were on 426 00:21:38,359 --> 00:21:40,440 Speaker 1: the UK because obviously that formula was good. So I'm 427 00:21:40,440 --> 00:21:43,359 Speaker 1: going to put up who I think each contestant is 428 00:21:43,359 --> 00:21:45,120 Speaker 1: going to be, Like, I hope we get a more 429 00:21:45,320 --> 00:21:47,919 Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, there is no way unless they flew 430 00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:49,920 Speaker 1: Moura in to be on the show, that we'd get 431 00:21:49,960 --> 00:21:53,240 Speaker 1: anybody as entertaining as Moura I miss her so much. 432 00:21:53,400 --> 00:21:59,040 Speaker 1: I know me too. Well, that's all we've got time for. 433 00:21:59,119 --> 00:22:02,040 Speaker 1: Thank you so much listening to Outspoken. If you'd like 434 00:22:02,119 --> 00:22:05,280 Speaker 1: to continue the conversation, please head to our Instagram account 435 00:22:05,320 --> 00:22:09,520 Speaker 1: which is Outspoken Underscore the Underscore Podcast. 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