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Speaker 1: As we know, there was a massive crime rally on

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Speaker 1: more needs to be done to address crime now. Often

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Speaker 1: we are contacted by listeners asking what elders, some of

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Speaker 1: thinking about the situation around the Northern Territory right now.

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Speaker 1: And well, joining me on the line is Helen's secretary,

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Speaker 1: who is Laraki, a traditional owner and also the chair

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Speaker 1: of the Galwa darren Inky Association. Good morning to.

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Speaker 2: You, Helen, Good morning Cajie.

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Speaker 1: Thanks so much for your time this morning.

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Speaker 2: Helen.

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Speaker 1: Did you attend the rally on the weekend.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I attended it for about an hour and I

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Speaker 2: could see the outrage and the upset the people felt

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Speaker 2: in regard to what happened to the young fella neck Glenn. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: sad and how the government is dealing with these clients.

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Speaker 1: How and from your opinion, what do you think needs

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Speaker 1: to happen to stop the crime crisis that we are

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Speaker 2: Well, I'm ashamed as a teo and custodian of Darwin

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Speaker 2: that this is happening. I did have a conversation with

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Speaker 2: the age for young juveniles that continue to re offend

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Speaker 2: and about the anti social behavior. I had a meeting

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Speaker 2: with her. I wasn't happy about their age increase. Like

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Speaker 2: I informed her, what is going to happen with the

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Speaker 2: eleven and ten year old children that roam the street

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Speaker 2: break an entry, stealing and assaulting. They will be put

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Speaker 2: on a juvenile diversion program where they have these bracelets. Now,

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Speaker 2: like I explained to our electorate member who is also

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Speaker 2: the Chief Minister, that this is where you're causing more

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Speaker 2: problems by allowing these miners to continue to break the law.

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Speaker 2: They know the system. They're playing the system because they'll

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Speaker 2: get a flap on the hand because they won't be detained.

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Speaker 2: Why the hell do we have a Dondale Youth Detention center.

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Speaker 2: It is for juveniles and this isn't about color here.

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Speaker 2: These kids are breaking the law. And like they expressed

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Speaker 2: to her, I know a couple of kids that are

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Speaker 2: on the juvenile diversion program. They have the bracelet. But

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Speaker 2: at the end of the day, when are the parents

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Speaker 2: going to be held accountable for their children's actions. I

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Speaker 2: know where my kid and my grandkids are at night,

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Speaker 2: and during the day, they are at school, at night

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Speaker 2: know it's not an overnight fixer, but I did express

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Speaker 2: my concerns to our electorate member ye that this isn't

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Speaker 2: be held accountable, Like she expressed to me that family

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Speaker 2: and community services are working with the parents, Well, hang on,

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Speaker 2: why aren't the parents being held accountable? You know, if

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Speaker 2: you have dysfunctional parents that receive centraling funding for their

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Speaker 2: dependence and themselves instead of enjoying their life, quarantining all

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Speaker 2: the money in their basic card to prioritize with looking

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Speaker 2: after their kids. I have friends that own businesses, my kids'

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Speaker 2: own businesses. People that live in their homes should feel

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Speaker 2: safe at night. Their kids should be allowed to walk

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Speaker 2: being assaulted by this little group of juveniles. I felt

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Speaker 2: really angered four weeks ago when this business owner that

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Speaker 2: he came to my house at color and asked how

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Speaker 2: little juveniles at around the age of ten and eleven,

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Speaker 2: broke into his shop, assaulted him, stole his kill with

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Speaker 2: one thousand dollars cash, which they weren't worried about the money,

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Speaker 2: reported it to the police. The police investigating it. But

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Speaker 2: how were they supposed to protect themselves? Like I explained

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Speaker 2: to him my understanding of the law, if someone assaults you,

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Speaker 2: But these are little His said, these are little kids. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: and they've also threatened that they're going to smash my

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Speaker 2: You know, things like that. People are approaching me that

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Speaker 2: it's sad.

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Speaker 1: Helen, You said sad. You sound sad, and you also

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Speaker 2: Well, that's the thing why old people used to allow.

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Speaker 2: And this isn't about color here, Katie no and my

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Speaker 2: old larch here people accepted countrymen from everywhere yep. But

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Speaker 2: Darwin was never like this. Never. This is shameful. It

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Speaker 2: it's the way what is happening in Darwin. And I

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Speaker 2: know there's a lot of anger and frustration by Darwin Knights,

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Speaker 2: Enough is enough? Why do we have a law? We

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Speaker 2: have Holt's Prison for adult people that break the law.

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Speaker 2: We have a don Dale Youth Detention Center. I don't

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Speaker 2: that are ten being locked up. Well, where the hell

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Speaker 2: stealing cars. That's not fair on the Darwin people. It's

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Speaker 2: not fair on the territory and people. Helen, I recommend

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Speaker 2: invigenous woman. Yeah, I know, and you know, look.

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Speaker 1: I reckon there's going to be a lot of people

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Speaker 2: Helen.

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Speaker 1: You know you are standing up right now and you

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Speaker 2: No. No, Like I said, it's not about color. You break,

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Speaker 2: you do the crime, crime, you do the time, whether

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Speaker 2: the Chief Ministry. Now, I've had discussions with her back

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Speaker 2: and discuss it further. Now at the end of the day,

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Speaker 1: It's our safety.

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Speaker 2: It's about safety. I wouldn't like stud under walk into

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Speaker 2: an incident of a a member that a neighbor that

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Speaker 2: two kids, too young juvenile defend teenagers actually went into

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Speaker 1: Of control, yeah, Helen, Some.

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Speaker 2: Of these kids and adults are breaking the law need

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Speaker 1: Helen, can I ask you because I am running out

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Speaker 1: of time. Honestly, We've got so many messages supporting you

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Speaker 1: here this morning for you, Helen first standing up and

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Speaker 2: Well, when it comes to the juveniles, they break the law,

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Speaker 2: lock them up, it doesn't matter. I'm really about the age.

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Speaker 2: I get angry and upset when they say, then your

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Speaker 2: old kids shouldn't be locked up away from their families. Well,

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Speaker 2: at the end of the day, they broke the law,

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Speaker 2: family community, it should give it back to correctionals. I'm

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Speaker 2: sorry because back in the days, I know adults that

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Speaker 2: These kids are in down Dale and my understanding of

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Speaker 2: have had to go there and do work after the fire.

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Speaker 2: They have the own entertainment center, that have their own

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Speaker 2: basketball center. They get free iTunes, they get everything they want.

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Speaker 2: That's not a detention center. It's like a little resort.

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Speaker 2: So they get locked up, they come at reoffend and

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Speaker 2: then they go back again. Parents need to be held accountable.

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Speaker 2: It's they the functional parents that are sitting on the

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Speaker 2: backside as a recipient of sendling money for US taxpayers

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Speaker 2: that work look after our families and casceleate them. I'm

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Speaker 2: and and the other thing about air and social behavior.

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Speaker 2: sold your behavior is happening words. Hell, sorry, that's just

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Speaker 2: How they do decline whether they are a juvenile or adults.

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Speaker 2: Look them up. That's the whole idea why we have

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Speaker 2: looking for people that I ad on bail that we're

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Speaker 2: well their conditions is they supposed to be on country

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Speaker 2: and they're back in Darwin. Well what are they doing?

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Speaker 2: Are they doing their job and monitoring these people that

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Speaker 2: I ad on bail. And then in regards to sharp weapons,

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Speaker 2: but they want to start putting their foot down. That

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Speaker 2: but they play the system and they will keep re offending.

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Speaker 2: And people that should feel safe in their homes and

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Speaker 2: go to their library, should feel safe, but they aren't

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Speaker 2: because I don't like this color. Because we're Indigenous, we

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Speaker 2: have to get special treatment. Well no, no, no. We

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Speaker 2: law applies to everyone. Whether you're a disrespectful kid that

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Speaker 2: and a husband owned a Crown hand car wife in Nightcliff.

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Speaker 2: And the new units that they've built, one bedroom unit

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Speaker 2: for old age people. You've got countrymen there that are

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Speaker 2: throwing bottles into their car park. Now my son and

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Speaker 2: law have to clean it up, the noise, the fighting,

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Speaker 2: and you've got a police station right there, right there.

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Speaker 1: Helen, I can hear the frustration in your voice, and

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Speaker 1: you know what you've You've articulated the way that so

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Speaker 1: many people are feeling right now. And I you know,

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Speaker 1: I appreciate you standing up and speaking up for people

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Speaker 1: in the Northern Territory, particularly in your role that you

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Speaker 1: are in. And we've got so many messages of people

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Speaker 1: saying bravo, Helen. You've said what we all are thinking.

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Speaker 1: Go Helen, Well done, Helen. You know, honestly, I think

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Speaker 1: people are really there, they are really glad to hear

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Speaker 1: from you this morning, and I'm sorry that we are

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Speaker 1: going to have to leave it there because I've got

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Speaker 1: to go across to them to the National News.

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Speaker 2: We have my thoughts and speak about this.

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Speaker 1: Helen. You're always welcome. You're always welcome on this show

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Speaker 1: and I really appreciate you speaking to me this morning.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Thanks.

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Speaker 1: Helen, I appreciate it. Thanks mate. Bye now