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Speaker 1: Yesterday on the show, we spoke with the Chief Minister

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Speaker 1: about the crime in Alice Springs and we also spoke

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Speaker 1: to the principle if you bring your school and the

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Speaker 1: team from the Public Order Response in it about some

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Speaker 1: of the possible measures which could help in Central Australia.

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Speaker 1: Now we know that the situation around crime is certainly

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Speaker 1: not isolated to Alice and it certainly is an issue

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Speaker 1: which has been raised on this show on well so

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Speaker 1: many occasions, too many, i'd say to count. Now joining

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Speaker 1: me on the line is the local member for Brakley,

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Speaker 1: Josh Burgoyne.

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Speaker 2: Good morning to you, Josh.

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Speaker 3: Good morning, Kay, good morning to you.

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Speaker 1: Listen now, Josh, you've been speaking to us about these

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Speaker 1: issues of crime in Central Australia for quite some time.

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Speaker 1: But for our listeners, why has this issue really reached

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Speaker 1: crisis point? As Tourism Central Australia told us on the

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Speaker 1: show earlier.

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Speaker 2: In the week.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, thank you Katie for having us on and

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Speaker 3: labor are failing the people of Alla Springs. I listened

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Speaker 3: to you speak with Danie Rushford from Tourism Central Australia

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Speaker 3: and what they call this is exactly what it is,

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Speaker 3: a crime crisis, and the fact that the Chief Minister

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Speaker 3: crime crisis just shows that they yet to actually acknowledge

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Speaker 3: the issues that we face. To put it in perspective

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Speaker 3: for your listeners, in Ala Springs, the total property offenses

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Speaker 3: we are seeing over a year is seven thousand, six

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Speaker 3: a population size of more than three times the size

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Speaker 3: twenty eight thousand people here, yet we're experiencing more total

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Speaker 3: property offenses over a year than you are up in Dahlen.

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Speaker 3: That's the sort of level of crime we're experiencing down

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Speaker 3: here three times that then you're experiencing up in Darwen.

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Speaker 3: And when I listen to the ABC radio yesterday up

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Speaker 3: that I think you spoke about yesterday as well, I

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Speaker 1: Well, and this is one of the things that Daniel

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Speaker 1: Rochford did touch on is that you know a lot

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Speaker 1: of the measures are reactionary. Could we be doing more

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Speaker 1: in Central Australia that's proactive?

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Speaker 2: I mean, do you think that's something like.

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Speaker 1: That that patrol unit that is indeed, you know it's

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Speaker 1: a public order response unit, so it's a private enterprise

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Speaker 1: with the canines that provide that security. But do you

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Speaker 3: When we talk about all these initiatives, they are short

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Speaker 3: term things that can ease the pain straight away. When

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Speaker 3: I went to that Tourism Central Australia meeting, the passion

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Speaker 3: absolutely you know, smashed beyond reposition, because that's what's happened

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Speaker 3: work on those long term solutions that the government always

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Speaker 3: talk about. Because when I actually take the time Katie

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Speaker 3: not enough out there. We need serious options for other

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Speaker 3: what's currently happening isn't working. Police are doing a great

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Speaker 1: Well, this is the thing, you know, I think that

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Speaker 1: And if you've got you know, the head of Tourism

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Speaker 1: saying please help us. Basically we've reached crisis point. If

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Speaker 2: I don't know what is.

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Speaker 3: Exactly right, Katie. I mean you've hit the nail on

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Speaker 3: It's saying that they're going to be doing what they

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Speaker 3: Are there any KPIs attached to the funding that the

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Speaker 1: Josh tell us how things been going this week in

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Speaker 3: There's been a huge amount of ram raids on businesses

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Speaker 3: these are the things that are occurring in our springs,

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Speaker 3: and we don't often hear about these things that happen.

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Speaker 3: This happened I believe a couple of weeks ago, and

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Speaker 3: it's just there's shocking incidents that are occurring right across

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Speaker 3: Katie when you spoke to the Chief Minister. Why are

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Speaker 3: And I just don't understand, when we've got so much

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Speaker 3: It's just it's beyond reasoning, Josh.

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Speaker 1: One of the other insightful discussions I had yesterday was

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Speaker 3: Oh? Absolutely, Katie. We've been speaking about this for quite

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Speaker 3: So absolutely, I would implore every government, no matter who

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Speaker 1: Josh, I know you are pressed for time, obviously, police

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Speaker 1: it is National Police Remembrance Day and there are a

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Speaker 1: want to just ask you very quickly before I let

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Speaker 1: you go. We know that we're all keeping an incredibly

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Speaker 1: close eye on these petrol prices.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 1: The termin gate price has jumped astronomically overnight in Darwin.

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Speaker 2: You know you're unleatered.

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Speaker 1: Yesterday at the terminal gate was sitting at a dollar

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Speaker 1: sixty six point five at the terminal gate. Then for

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Speaker 1: seen any huge jumps yet at the bowser. But it's

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, kay, you look down here in Alice Springs, we're

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Speaker 3: a huge impact on businesses, on individuals. As we know,

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Speaker 3: there's inflation. Currently, we're dealing with the cost of living pressures.

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Speaker 3: As it's been widely spoken about the COLP. We've got

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Speaker 3: this fuel bill before Parliament where we're wanting to drive

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Speaker 3: that home. So that basically will just force fuel stations

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Speaker 3: to have to show their profit margins. And what that's

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Speaker 3: about is that we can actually see whether they are

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Speaker 3: gouge and whether the profit margins that businesses up here

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Speaker 3: are charging is more than that down south, because we

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Speaker 3: all know when we travel down south, you know, as

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Speaker 3: soon as you hit South Australia the fuel price drops

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Speaker 3: by up to thirty to forty cents. Now, why we're

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Speaker 3: paying so much more up here, I do not know.

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Speaker 3: That's what we need to be looking into. And if

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Speaker 3: the whatever reason we are being gouged, we need to

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Speaker 3: know about it and give consumers that knowledge, that that

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Speaker 3: data that then they can make decisions for themselves. And

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Speaker 3: back in people that aren't gouging well.

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Speaker 1: Member four Braklen, Joshua Burgoyne. We appreciate your time this morning.

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Speaker 1: Thanks very much for having a chat with us.

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Speaker 3: Thank you very much. Katie Kachi, thank you,