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Speaker 2: The green bin. Have another look, you're an electric mower.

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Speaker 2: I even see it. Yeah, let me stand up.

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Speaker 1: That's eighteen vaults of pure power right there.

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Speaker 2: I'm proud of you.

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Speaker 2: That's amazing. You're so progressive. I've noticed as well that

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to episode two two Doting Dads. My name

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Speaker 1: is Matty Jay. I'm ass we've come back for round two.

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Speaker 2: We're umming and ring about it, and then we knew

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Speaker 2: will come back. In the last episode you said, we

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Speaker 2: don't know if there by the end of the episode

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Speaker 2: you'd committed as doing this every week. Just like that,

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Speaker 2: we did.

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Speaker 1: Have like a few week plan in place. There's always

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Speaker 1: going to be around two. But you know, you've got

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and then we'd count down the eight episodes. Oh

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Speaker 2: my god, I've got like six more to do after

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Speaker 1: It is nice to see, though, there's a lot of

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Speaker 2: I think they're doing that to be like, you might

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Speaker 2: get some advice on how to parent. No, you will not,

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I think if there is a dad right now listening, going,

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Speaker 1: I've not invested any energy whatsoever into like learning how

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Speaker 2: Fuck, God help you, yeah.

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Speaker 1: God help you.

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Speaker 2: There's nothing like the reality just set in that there's

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Speaker 2: no actual advice in this conversation. I don't even know

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Speaker 2: after by a professional. That's a lie where they get fed,

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Speaker 2: It doesn't matter that they're sick and there in pain

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Speaker 1: Yeah, picked her up, go home, gave her some damadole?

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Speaker 1: Worked well? Wake up? Some what some damadol?

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Speaker 2: Maybe I get my wife on the blow. She wouldn't know,

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Speaker 2: blowing on the face.

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Speaker 1: Just suppository. Suppository is weird obviously because you're like putting

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Speaker 1: Little rapper that you like peel up.

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Speaker 2: So it's got like, this is fucking wild.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Someone said to me.

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Speaker 1: It must be true that when women give birth they

436
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Speaker 1: release this chemical, which means they do not enter the

437
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Speaker 1: same level of deep sleep that they will get into

438
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Speaker 1: pre kids.

439
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Speaker 2: For how long?

440
00:19:56,440 --> 00:19:56,760
Speaker 1: Forever?

441
00:19:56,960 --> 00:19:59,320
Speaker 2: Forever, forever, so they're constantly on alert.

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Speaker 1: Yeah anyway, but yeah, back to Marley's foot, wasn't broken.

443
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Speaker 2: I didn't even think about that. I just thought about

444
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Speaker 2: the skin coming up. Yeah, I know, nothing broke, bruised, bruised.

445
00:20:12,440 --> 00:20:15,840
Speaker 1: She got it bandaged up. But then the annoying thing

446
00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:18,280
Speaker 1: is for the rest of the day she was like

447
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Speaker 1: I can't because she's quite traumatized and she saw she

448
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Speaker 1: saw how cut it was. She was like, I can't walk,

449
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Speaker 1: and I was like, no, you can. You can walk,

450
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Speaker 1: just like put some weight on it.

451
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Speaker 2: At this rate you're walking home.

452
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Speaker 1: And she wouldn't, like, wouldn't even stand on it the

453
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Speaker 1: rest of the Sunday on the couch to go to

454
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Speaker 1: the bathroom because I was like, I'm not going to

455
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Speaker 1: carry you like you can walk. She dragged herself like

456
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Speaker 1: literally like you've been shot, Like she yet, like she

457
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Speaker 1: no longer had any movement in her limbs, dragged herself

458
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Speaker 1: to the bathroom. And I was like, I'm not going

459
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Speaker 1: to help you. I know what you're doing. Oh yeah,

460
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Speaker 1: you're fine.

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Speaker 2: It's like I was going when he gets like the

462
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Speaker 2: smallest booboos, I can't do that, and you're like do that, Yeah.

463
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Speaker 1: You're fine. But also you're like, did they miss it

464
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Speaker 1: on the X ray? Maybe it is broken, And she's

465
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Speaker 1: just like and I'm like, you will walk on it,

466
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Speaker 1: And she's got like a bone sticking out, please listen

467
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Speaker 1: to me down Monday, dropped her a daycare and I

468
00:21:15,920 --> 00:21:18,159
Speaker 1: was like, look, she's got one shoe on because she

469
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Speaker 1: had an.

470
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Speaker 2: Accident and we're away from the other kids.

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Speaker 1: They were like, god, she's been in the walls. But

472
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Speaker 1: I was like, she will walk. She's fine. But I

473
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Speaker 1: picked her up on Monday and I said, did she

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Speaker 1: walk on it? And they're like, she literally dragged herself.

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Speaker 1: We would help her. Still wasn't walking on it. Only now,

476
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Speaker 1: like days later. I think Laura had to bribe her

477
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Speaker 1: with chocolate to make her stand. Like all good parents,

478
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Speaker 1: we bribed our child with treats.

479
00:21:46,040 --> 00:21:49,840
Speaker 2: Briberry is like the best parenting methods by threatening.

480
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Speaker 1: It's the benchmark to how my parent. And she's only

481
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Speaker 1: now starting to walk on it.

482
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Speaker 2: So she's on the end.

483
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Speaker 1: We've come out the other end. Foot's not broken.

484
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Speaker 2: She's on the end of beautiful. Top weekend. Really, it's

485
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Speaker 2: going to be like that's what you're saying, it's like

486
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Speaker 2: the worst weekend, like has it like mentally trying to

487
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Speaker 2: get through all.

488
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Speaker 1: That last week. We said that we were going to

489
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Speaker 1: put it out there, and people did have questions. We

490
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Speaker 1: were going to be in a position to answer them.

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Speaker 1: Not in a serious way, definitely not offering any serious

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Speaker 1: advice here, but just if we can share any of

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Speaker 1: our wisdom of being parents. I've been a dad now

494
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Speaker 1: for almost four years. May a peppering of advice that

495
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Speaker 1: I can offer people. But we're going to have a

496
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Speaker 1: quick look at some of the questions that people have submitted,

497
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Speaker 1: So we put the call out there. Lots of good questions.

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Speaker 1: We only have time for three questions today. I believe, Ash,

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Speaker 1: how are you for time? I'm good for three, I've

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Speaker 1: gone through. These are other ones that I think are

501
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Speaker 1: the best questions. We appreciate all the questions, always appreciate

502
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Speaker 1: all the questions. We're a couple of crap ones.

503
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Speaker 2: And then there's a couple of abusive ones.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, can you guys shut the fuck up? And I'm

505
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Speaker 1: like no. Question number one, Ash, how did you manage

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Speaker 1: sleep in the first few months? Did you follow a program?

507
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Speaker 2: Good question? So two kids. One kid was a terrible

508
00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:19,560
Speaker 2: sleep and one was much better. The first kid brutal.

509
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Speaker 2: I found like managing it you have to. I mean,

510
00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:25,000
Speaker 2: there's always this thought in the back of your head

511
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Speaker 2: when you have a kid that you need to get

512
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Speaker 2: up when your wife gets up in the middle of

513
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Speaker 2: the night as well, and it's like, you don't because

514
00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:33,400
Speaker 2: then two of you are tired. Someone needs to be rested.

515
00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:35,879
Speaker 2: You can do the stuff during the day or whatever

516
00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:39,240
Speaker 2: when so she can rest. Also, some solid advice from

517
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Speaker 2: me is, if you do get up in the middle

518
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Speaker 2: of the night with each other, don't say a fucking word.

519
00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:47,160
Speaker 2: If she asks you to get water, don't even say yes,

520
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Speaker 2: just go and get it, because it's an instant argument.

521
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Speaker 2: That was one thing someone said to me, and they

522
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Speaker 2: were like, just don't talk.

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Speaker 1: There is nothing more testing in those periods where you're

524
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Speaker 1: both so sleep deprived. Oh and it doesn't matter who

525
00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:05,360
Speaker 1: said what or in what tone, You're just gonna there's

526
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Speaker 1: gonna be an argument. Yeah, it's just gonna happen. It

527
00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:10,159
Speaker 1: doesn't matter how much you love each other. Yeah, and

528
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Speaker 1: it doesn't matter who's right who's wrong.

529
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Speaker 2: At that time of night, No one's right, no one's wrong.

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Speaker 2: It's just like yeah, So like, yeah, I always say

531
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Speaker 2: to my friends are having kids, I'm like, just don't

532
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Speaker 2: say anything. You know, you could be so in love

533
00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:25,080
Speaker 2: and you could be too nice as people on earth,

534
00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:28,520
Speaker 2: but at that time of night. One slight tone change

535
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Speaker 2: can do anything. So it's just not it's not worth it.

536
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Speaker 1: So why wasn't I stro a good sleeper?

537
00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:36,880
Speaker 2: He was just always like a cranky baby, silent reflux.

538
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Speaker 1: Just like his father.

539
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Speaker 2: I am a yeah, I am a cranky as hell,

540
00:24:43,119 --> 00:24:47,440
Speaker 2: so cranky others all right, right now, I'm cranky. But yeah,

541
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Speaker 2: he was like just uncomfortable. He slept forty minutes around

542
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Speaker 2: the clock for the first like six months. It was brutal.

543
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Speaker 1: And then Macy.

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Speaker 2: Macy was a dream so I think we a lot,

545
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Speaker 2: as you do, you learn a lot from the first one.

546
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Speaker 2: But she was noticeably better. Is better in all like,

547
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Speaker 2: he still wakes us.

548
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Speaker 1: We had it the other way around where Mary dream child.

549
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Speaker 1: She breastfed well, she slept well. Laura and I would

550
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Speaker 1: look at each other and be.

551
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Speaker 2: Like, ahre we you amazing at this?

552
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Speaker 1: What are parents complaining about?

553
00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:22,159
Speaker 2: Oh? Yes, is the breed You're going to trigger some

554
00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:24,760
Speaker 2: people just saying oh I look.

555
00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:26,920
Speaker 1: Back, and I'm like, you were so naive and had

556
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Speaker 1: literally no idea. You just you get lucky and you

557
00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:30,640
Speaker 1: get a good child.

558
00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:32,320
Speaker 2: I always say, you get a sleeper or you don't.

559
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Speaker 1: Yes, Because then Lola was the same as Oscar in

560
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Speaker 1: that like, I think I look back and I've kind

561
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Speaker 1: of eraised it from my memory. Like it's funny how

562
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Speaker 1: all of those terrible times, like the lowest of the low,

563
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Speaker 1: you just put that area. Yeah, you buried it into

564
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Speaker 1: a deep dark section of your brain where you never

565
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Speaker 1: revisit it until Laura will say, hey, do you remember

566
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Speaker 1: that time when this happened? And I'm like, oh, yeah,

567
00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:58,040
Speaker 1: that sucks. You always forget about the bad parts, otherwise

568
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Speaker 1: you'd never have another kid. Laura would only sleep on

569
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Speaker 1: Laura's chest and would only see maybe like forty minutes,

570
00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:07,159
Speaker 1: same as Oscar at a time. I remember there were

571
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Speaker 1: times when I was just like holding Lola at like

572
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Speaker 1: three in the morning. She'd been fed, she'd been burbed,

573
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Speaker 1: and she was just screaming, scream screaming.

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Speaker 2: You're just existing, You're.

575
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Speaker 1: Just in a place of such like frustration.

576
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Speaker 2: And yeah, it's not you, it's not your real you.

577
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Speaker 2: I'll talk about this with my therapist a lot. Yeah,

578
00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:28,919
Speaker 2: it's not the real your. It's more like the situation

579
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Speaker 2: and the days and days of lack of They used

580
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Speaker 2: to use it as torture, right, keep people away. So

581
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Speaker 2: I get it. I get it, and like those feelings

582
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Speaker 2: they're not abnormal.

583
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Speaker 1: But the good thing is it gets better.

584
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Speaker 2: It does allegedly it does get better. And like, yeah,

585
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Speaker 2: look the program thing we did get into. Oh that's

586
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Speaker 2: the fact. That's another thing too. And every parent does this,

587
00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:55,280
Speaker 2: so your kid has a good night's sleep. So what

588
00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:56,960
Speaker 2: you do the next day is you try and mimic

589
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Speaker 2: exactly what you did leading up to that good sleep.

590
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Speaker 2: Everybody that and I just thought it's worth noting that

591
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Speaker 2: doesn't work.

592
00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:07,760
Speaker 1: I didn't pay any attention to actual like sleep program.

593
00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:09,560
Speaker 2: And we paid someone to come in.

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Speaker 1: What do they teach you?

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00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:14,560
Speaker 2: Look, it's more of the support, I would say. They

596
00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:17,520
Speaker 2: sort of give you a rough idea of what to

597
00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:20,240
Speaker 2: look out for, what to be doing, when to do it,

598
00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:22,879
Speaker 2: What do you look out for, just like tired signs early,

599
00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:25,399
Speaker 2: that sort of stuff, because you want to get rubbing

600
00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:27,320
Speaker 2: the eyes or you want to get onto their routine

601
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Speaker 2: before they're overtired, and you don't want to start the

602
00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:30,879
Speaker 2: routine when they're already tired and by the time you

603
00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:32,479
Speaker 2: finish it they're overtired. You don't want to do that.

604
00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:35,439
Speaker 2: But also like I feel like and I have this

605
00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:39,000
Speaker 2: conversation with a lot of people about I'm not sleep

606
00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:42,879
Speaker 2: exper I'm just put that in there that they try

607
00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:45,199
Speaker 2: to put their kids into a routine too early. They're like,

608
00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:49,280
Speaker 2: and look, it's it's crazy because the world has like

609
00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:51,359
Speaker 2: and like social media has sort of made a lot

610
00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:53,960
Speaker 2: of people think that, Okay, well what am I doing

611
00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:56,399
Speaker 2: wrong because I can't get my kid into a routine.

612
00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:59,280
Speaker 2: It's like your kids three months, chill out, yeah, just

613
00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:01,080
Speaker 2: go with the flow. I think that's a difference between

614
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Speaker 2: Oscar and Macy's where we went more with the flow

615
00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:06,040
Speaker 2: with Macy where it's like if she falls asleep on

616
00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:08,399
Speaker 2: me right now at three months, who gives a shit?

617
00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:10,320
Speaker 2: But with the first one, because you're like, there's so

618
00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:13,479
Speaker 2: much pressure on a your mum, which sucks and new

619
00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:16,200
Speaker 2: parents in general, that you've got to be getting into

620
00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:19,080
Speaker 2: a routine so quickly, Like my kids are what four

621
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Speaker 2: and nearly two. Macy's got a slight routine. Oscar was

622
00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:26,800
Speaker 2: really routine from two onwards and finally he sleeps now

623
00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:29,560
Speaker 2: so it'll work. Early on it was pretty much pointless

624
00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:31,959
Speaker 2: because you're like, oh, we've got this routine and then

625
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:33,200
Speaker 2: they regress.

626
00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:34,919
Speaker 1: Because then if you try and adhere to that routine.

627
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Speaker 1: You will never leave the house.

628
00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:38,440
Speaker 2: No, And there was a time there we didn't where

629
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Speaker 2: it was like, oh fuck, like we can't leave the

630
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Speaker 2: house because we've got to do an hour.

631
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Speaker 1: It's spirals and spirals. Yeah, that's when it gets high.

632
00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:48,720
Speaker 2: The worst is when you go you do so many

633
00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:51,280
Speaker 2: weeks and it's like starting to pay off, like great,

634
00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:54,600
Speaker 2: and then they regress and they hit the worst word

635
00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:57,880
Speaker 2: in the English dictionary, which is a leap. I hit

636
00:28:57,920 --> 00:28:59,240
Speaker 2: a leap and.

637
00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:00,920
Speaker 1: Going my spine.

638
00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:03,280
Speaker 2: I'm so glad I don't really have to hear that

639
00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:03,960
Speaker 2: word anymore.

640
00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:11,600
Speaker 1: Question number two ash thoughts on plac center encapsulation. Would

641
00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:13,480
Speaker 1: you take the capsules yourself?

642
00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:15,880
Speaker 2: What the fuck does any of that mean?

643
00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:20,440
Speaker 1: We I'm glad you asked. I've googled this, I've googled.

644
00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:22,520
Speaker 2: I literally don't know what any of those words were

645
00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:23,400
Speaker 2: that you just gave to me.

646
00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:26,880
Speaker 1: Plus center encapsulation.

647
00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:28,760
Speaker 2: Do you want to guess what I think it means?

648
00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:29,840
Speaker 1: Go on?

649
00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:32,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, I have a try something to do with trapping

650
00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:33,800
Speaker 2: the placenta.

651
00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:37,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, well pretty much pretty much. But when you say trap,

652
00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:39,280
Speaker 1: it means like you're like setting like a bear traff

653
00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:41,280
Speaker 1: at nighttime. It comes, and then you come back the

654
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Speaker 1: next day and you're like, well, we've got boys, and

655
00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:47,480
Speaker 1: you're like, oh, we've got this is a good size.

656
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:51,000
Speaker 2: It's kind of like it it's funny that like every

657
00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:53,479
Speaker 2: time you know, you're talking with your other parent friends,

658
00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:56,080
Speaker 2: there's always someone who's got a story about something to

659
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Speaker 2: do with the placenta.

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Speaker 1: There's always someone out there who's a little bit.

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Speaker 2: And I saw like someone baked bread with it.

662
00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:05,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, because you can drive it out and well, this

663
00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:07,840
Speaker 1: is kind of just kind of what this is. So

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Speaker 1: let me read you to your description. Okay. In the

665
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Speaker 1: placenta encapsulation process, the placenta is steamed, dehydrated, ground into

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Speaker 1: a powder, and then sealed envitamin sized capsules. What why

667
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Speaker 1: There are companies out there that will do it for you,

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00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:33,040
Speaker 1: And if you work with your duela, she might offer

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Speaker 1: that service as well. And if you're wondering why, it

670
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Speaker 1: says here keyword is possible. The possible benefits of placenta

671
00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:56,400
Speaker 1: encapsulation include a decrease in postparter mood disorders good thing, possible,

672
00:30:56,800 --> 00:31:03,840
Speaker 1: increased production of oxytocin possibility, decrease in stress hormones another possibility,

673
00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:07,560
Speaker 1: and restoration of iron levels following bleeding after birth, and

674
00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:09,440
Speaker 1: an increase of milk.

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Speaker 2: Supply or from It's like a mirror. I'm pretty sure

676
00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:15,840
Speaker 2: there's a multivitamin out there that does all of that, surely,

677
00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:19,240
Speaker 2: But it's not made out of a human organ. Is

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Speaker 2: it an organ I don't even know. Yeah, i'd say

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00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:23,480
Speaker 2: it's helped create life, of course, I mean.

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Speaker 1: If you're just taking a capsule. But even the thought

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Speaker 1: of it.

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Speaker 2: I love how it's said there, if you can't do it.

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Speaker 1: Yourself, organizations out there?

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Speaker 2: Who on earth is doing that themselves? How many ways

685
00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:37,920
Speaker 2: you need to cook that thing? You dried it, you

686
00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:41,480
Speaker 2: steamed it, you grilled it, your air fryer marinated, you

687
00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:42,440
Speaker 2: marinated it.

688
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Speaker 1: It's delicious.

689
00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:46,000
Speaker 2: Grounded it into a fine powder, there'd be nothing left.

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Speaker 2: It just be like eating a capsule full of sand.

691
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Speaker 1: But I always think I've tried to take fish capsules

692
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Speaker 1: like fish oil, and I'll take it.

693
00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:54,880
Speaker 2: And then burbie fish.

694
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Speaker 1: Yeah, burb and you can taste the fish.

695
00:31:57,280 --> 00:31:59,040
Speaker 2: I love how they also on that fish oil thing,

696
00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:01,800
Speaker 2: they're like, yeah, no, like it's got no aftertaste. Bullshit.

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Speaker 1: It absolutely does. Imagine the aftertaste of placenta.

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Speaker 2: I don't know what the foretaste of placenta would be, and.

699
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Speaker 1: For no guarantee of the benefits.

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Speaker 2: It's just like just possible.

701
00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:17,440
Speaker 1: It might help or it may not do anything at.

702
00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:19,880
Speaker 2: All, all right, So the question was would I tell yeah,

703
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Speaker 2: so why would I need to take it?

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Speaker 1: I'm going to take a guess, or like your wife

705
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Speaker 1: or your partner is going through it, then I guess

706
00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:28,440
Speaker 1: it may be nice to also join her along that journey.

707
00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:30,880
Speaker 2: A look, if April was like, this is what we're

708
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Speaker 2: going to do, well I'm going to do I'd be like,

709
00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:35,720
Speaker 2: you can do that. I'll support you and what you do. One,

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Speaker 2: You're not doing it in the house. Don't bring that

711
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Speaker 2: thing back here too, It's not for me.

712
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Speaker 1: So can I take a guess and say that during childbirth,

713
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Speaker 1: did they ask you the question of like do you

714
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Speaker 1: want to like they have this thing in a tub,

715
00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:51,000
Speaker 1: like do you want to keep it? Do you remember that?

716
00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:53,760
Speaker 2: Nah? Nah? Like first one was ended up being an

717
00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:55,200
Speaker 2: emergency C section, so.

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Speaker 1: There was no like discussion of well, then we're about

719
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Speaker 1: number two today it.

720
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Speaker 2: Was a plan C section. There's no discussion of that either.

721
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Speaker 2: So I've missed out on two plent they're missing. If

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Speaker 2: anyone sees two placentas, they're my wife's, she definitely doesn't

723
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Speaker 2: want to.

724
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Speaker 1: I think I'm trying to, like calf my memory back

725
00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:20,960
Speaker 1: to childbirth, and I'm pretty sure it's and there's so

726
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Speaker 1: much going on.

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Speaker 2: Did you faint?

728
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Speaker 1: No, no fainting.

729
00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:24,760
Speaker 2: I did.

730
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Speaker 1: We'll say that for another story. This thing's big, like

731
00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:30,920
Speaker 1: it's a it's a big, hunky like meaty. It's not

732
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Speaker 1: just like a little dainty thing.

733
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Speaker 2: Well people like eat it right, yeah, and it.

734
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Speaker 1: Looks fucking awful and they say like, do you want

735
00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:39,880
Speaker 1: to do? You want to keep it? What do you

736
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Speaker 1: want us to do?

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00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:41,520
Speaker 2: How do you want to cook? So we've got an

738
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Speaker 2: fer over here, a steamer over here with a smoker

739
00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:45,560
Speaker 2: on this side, or we could grill it.

740
00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:51,280
Speaker 1: Medium rarely pepercorn sauce, sureroom sauce. But if Laura wanted

741
00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:52,880
Speaker 1: to do it, I'd be like, go knock yourself out,

742
00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:53,920
Speaker 1: but I'm not jumping on.

743
00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:54,880
Speaker 2: And don't kiss me after it.

744
00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:57,320
Speaker 1: Let's center encapsulation, not for me, not for me.

745
00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:01,080
Speaker 2: If the fact is it's like us, think with these things,

746
00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:03,840
Speaker 2: how did we get there? How did the person who

747
00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:05,440
Speaker 2: came up with this get there.

748
00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:08,520
Speaker 1: Well, I guess maybe it's because animals in the wild

749
00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:09,920
Speaker 1: would eat the percenta.

750
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:12,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I get that. But I mean, how do

751
00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:17,200
Speaker 2: who was thinking let's go through all these processes to

752
00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:20,560
Speaker 2: get it to a fine capsule. What was that person thinking?

753
00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:22,840
Speaker 2: Were they like, what were they hoping to achieve? I

754
00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:23,800
Speaker 2: just don't know how we got it.

755
00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:26,400
Speaker 1: It does like it kind of appeals to me a

756
00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:29,440
Speaker 1: little bit, and like the primal aspect, like truly in

757
00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:31,000
Speaker 1: the animals in the wild, But I think animals in

758
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:33,960
Speaker 1: the wild eat the percenta to like, obviously you don't

759
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:35,120
Speaker 1: want to have anything that's going to try.

760
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Speaker 2: Animals in the world just kill each other for food. Matt.

761
00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:42,080
Speaker 2: I'm not basing my eating a placenta.

762
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Speaker 1: Of what it how it does in the wild of a.

763
00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:47,399
Speaker 2: Prime just because of the primal aspect of it. It's

764
00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:49,080
Speaker 2: from me, from me.

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Speaker 1: We did have a third question I've looked at the time.

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00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:53,600
Speaker 2: Ash, We'll make it a quick one, Yeah, just make

767
00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:55,520
Speaker 2: it really que bang it out anyway.

768
00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:59,160
Speaker 1: Okay, what is the most asshole thing your child has

769
00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:01,120
Speaker 1: said and done? Do you order someone else?

770
00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:05,360
Speaker 2: Nothing for me comes to mind. I do have a

771
00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:08,200
Speaker 2: funny story about a friend so, as we all know,

772
00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:10,400
Speaker 2: as a kids get a little bit older, two three,

773
00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:13,640
Speaker 2: getting him into bigger car seats, it becomes a struggle.

774
00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:15,640
Speaker 2: So a friend of mine was at the park trying

775
00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:18,240
Speaker 2: to leave the park, trying to put his kid into

776
00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:21,560
Speaker 2: the car seat, and she was obviously not obliging, so

777
00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:26,880
Speaker 2: she started to scream help. Just so we've got a

778
00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:30,439
Speaker 2: fully grown man trying to abduct a three year old

779
00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:37,960
Speaker 2: child and dreaming.

780
00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:38,480
Speaker 1: People come over.

781
00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:42,040
Speaker 2: Non he got really lucky that the people were at

782
00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:45,200
Speaker 2: the park also saw them, Like, yeah, it was definitely,

783
00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:47,680
Speaker 2: but like he was saying to me, it's happened more

784
00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:52,960
Speaker 2: than once, and it's aole. That's an asshole move, that's toxics.

785
00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:57,200
Speaker 2: I know, it's crazy. Like imagine like the embarrassment of

786
00:35:57,239 --> 00:36:00,480
Speaker 2: that of people thinking you're abducting this child.

787
00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:02,000
Speaker 1: And also you have to like go through and get

788
00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:04,640
Speaker 1: photos if someone goes to you abducting that child, to

789
00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:05,520
Speaker 1: then try and convince.

790
00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:06,920
Speaker 2: The last thing I want to do is steal my

791
00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:10,640
Speaker 2: own child. Okay, if someone else, so your mate, take

792
00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:13,600
Speaker 2: him with you. Thankfully it hasn't happened to me yet.

793
00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:17,320
Speaker 2: What about you? To me? Your kids aren't assholes?

794
00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:20,719
Speaker 1: I reck well, sometimes they have their moments, and I'm

795
00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:23,040
Speaker 1: I'm a bit of a sensitive soul.

796
00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:26,040
Speaker 2: Lash I picked up on that I only cried before

797
00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:28,200
Speaker 2: when I was talking to you about my hospital.

798
00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:31,080
Speaker 1: Was it the tears when you told me about your story?

799
00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:31,600
Speaker 2: I reckon.

800
00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:33,560
Speaker 1: The most asshole thing my kids have done is probably

801
00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:35,880
Speaker 1: when just like Miley will look at me and be

802
00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:36,960
Speaker 1: like I love you anymore.

803
00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:39,520
Speaker 2: It's brutal, isn't it. I don't want to play with you.

804
00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:40,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're not my best friend.

805
00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:46,360
Speaker 2: Ah dagger, absolute dagger.

806
00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:48,120
Speaker 1: And sometimes you know, I take offense to that, and

807
00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:49,680
Speaker 1: I'm like, you can't.

808
00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:53,919
Speaker 2: I just got it. You can't say that to me, especially.

809
00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:56,279
Speaker 1: In public, so that that hurts. Or sometimes if I

810
00:36:56,480 --> 00:36:59,000
Speaker 1: really try and do something nice, like you're going to

811
00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:01,320
Speaker 1: go to Kmart, maybe I'll give her a little treat,

812
00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:03,960
Speaker 1: and she's just like, doesn't give me anything in return.

813
00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:06,960
Speaker 1: In return, she's like like a border a jumper once

814
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:09,400
Speaker 1: and she was like, I hate this jumper and it

815
00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:11,520
Speaker 1: was meant to be, like it's really sweet, Daddy daugh

816
00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:13,239
Speaker 1: at a moment where I was like, she's gonna love

817
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:15,799
Speaker 1: this and like it's a cute little pink jumper, and

818
00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:17,600
Speaker 1: she's just like spitting.

819
00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:19,560
Speaker 2: On it when you go and buy them something they

820
00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:21,080
Speaker 2: need and then they try and swap it out with

821
00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:22,840
Speaker 2: something they want on the way out. Yeah, it's like

822
00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:25,440
Speaker 2: I want this instead. It's like a toylet.

823
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:27,759
Speaker 1: It's a loveless game we play.

824
00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:30,920
Speaker 2: Yes, I'm sure that every parent at some stage their

825
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:32,480
Speaker 2: kids gone, I don't love you anymore.

826
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:35,280
Speaker 1: I will this house right now.

827
00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:36,440
Speaker 2: This is my world.

828
00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:38,600
Speaker 1: You're just living in ash Wicks.

829
00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:42,400
Speaker 2: Yes, that is time. Time, it's time to wrap us up.

830
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Speaker 1: Thank you for joining us.

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Speaker 2: Yes, thank you guys again.

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Speaker 1: If you have listened and you've enjoyed this episode, we

833
00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:49,880
Speaker 1: would love it more than anything, more than the children.

834
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Speaker 2: That we own.

835
00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:55,160
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836
00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:58,720
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837
00:37:58,719 --> 00:37:59,960
Speaker 2: And check out our Instagram as well.

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Speaker 1: Well.

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Speaker 2: Thanks again.

840
00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:05,040
Speaker 1: We will at some point, We're not sure when. Maybe

841
00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:07,360
Speaker 1: not next week, maybe not the week after that, but

842
00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:10,680
Speaker 1: we will do an interview with other parents.

843
00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:12,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, we want to try and get some other dads on,

844
00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:14,960
Speaker 2: even moms. I mean I don't want to, like I

845
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:16,480
Speaker 2: just sort of threw that because we had two. I

846
00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:18,239
Speaker 2: would honestly hate to be a woman sitting in this

847
00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:21,880
Speaker 2: room when what happens when the microphones were off the farting, Oh.

848
00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:24,600
Speaker 1: My god, Oh I like got backed up right now.

849
00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:27,759
Speaker 2: They've got that growling in my stomach anyway, But yeah,

850
00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:29,719
Speaker 2: we definitely want to try and get some other parents on.

851
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:31,880
Speaker 1: But if there's any parents you want to have us interview,

852
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:34,560
Speaker 1: we are absolutely open to any thoughts.

853
00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:39,080
Speaker 2: If you know them personally and it's probably best.

854
00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:41,799
Speaker 1: But until then, thank you very much. We see next week.

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Speaker 1: There Two Doting Dads podcast acknowledges the traditional custodians of

856
00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:58,120
Speaker 1: country throughout Australia and the connections to land, sea and community.

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Speaker 1: We pay our respects to the elders past and present

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Speaker 1: and extend that respect to all Aboriginal and Torres Strait

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