1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:02,279 Speaker 1: Now, we know we've spoken a lot on this program, 2 00:00:02,320 --> 00:00:04,400 Speaker 1: of course about the pressure on our health system. We 3 00:00:04,600 --> 00:00:08,760 Speaker 1: just spoke about it again with the Deputy Chief Minister, 4 00:00:08,880 --> 00:00:11,720 Speaker 1: Jared Mayley, and we know that the union representing nurses 5 00:00:11,720 --> 00:00:15,680 Speaker 1: and midwives in the territory says that staff are facing threats, 6 00:00:16,040 --> 00:00:19,480 Speaker 1: they're being abused, there's violence as part of their daily 7 00:00:19,600 --> 00:00:24,920 Speaker 1: routine inside Royal Darwin Hospital's emergency department. The union is 8 00:00:25,000 --> 00:00:27,880 Speaker 1: calling for urgent action, warning it's only a matter of 9 00:00:27,920 --> 00:00:31,840 Speaker 1: time before someone seriously hurt. The opposition leader, Selena Hubo 10 00:00:32,040 --> 00:00:35,959 Speaker 1: joins me on the line. Good morning to you, Selena, Good. 11 00:00:35,720 --> 00:00:37,920 Speaker 2: Morning Katie, Good morning to your listeners. I hope everyone's 12 00:00:37,920 --> 00:00:39,120 Speaker 2: had a lovely Easter weekend. 13 00:00:39,200 --> 00:00:41,479 Speaker 1: Yeah, you two. Wasn't it nice to us to just 14 00:00:41,720 --> 00:00:44,040 Speaker 1: well relax slightly, even though we're all worried about the 15 00:00:44,080 --> 00:00:48,040 Speaker 1: petrol prices. But we'll talk about that in a minute now. 16 00:00:48,200 --> 00:00:51,640 Speaker 1: It's been a really busy weekend as well, unfortunately for 17 00:00:51,760 --> 00:00:54,760 Speaker 1: a lot of our health staff. Firstly, what do you 18 00:00:54,800 --> 00:00:58,639 Speaker 1: make of these really serious claims from the nurses about violence, 19 00:00:59,160 --> 00:01:03,840 Speaker 1: threats and unsafe conditions in Royal Darwin Hospital's emergency departments. 20 00:01:04,880 --> 00:01:09,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, huge concern, Katie. I think that obviously with the 21 00:01:09,319 --> 00:01:12,440 Speaker 2: work that the unions do around work safety and making 22 00:01:12,440 --> 00:01:16,440 Speaker 2: sure that the working conditions for all different sectors, particularly 23 00:01:16,480 --> 00:01:19,800 Speaker 2: when it comes to health, are safe conditions for those 24 00:01:20,000 --> 00:01:22,959 Speaker 2: Territorians who are looking after fellow territories and visitors to 25 00:01:23,040 --> 00:01:26,160 Speaker 2: the NT and when it comes to our health system, 26 00:01:26,280 --> 00:01:29,160 Speaker 2: I think there has to be a lot of extra work. 27 00:01:29,200 --> 00:01:31,759 Speaker 2: And it's not just work over a short period of time, Katie. 28 00:01:31,800 --> 00:01:34,560 Speaker 2: There needs to be some long and medium term planning 29 00:01:34,600 --> 00:01:38,080 Speaker 2: when it comes to improving conditions for workplace safety for 30 00:01:38,200 --> 00:01:40,560 Speaker 2: our nurses, for our doctors, and for our medical staff 31 00:01:40,600 --> 00:01:44,080 Speaker 2: as well our admin offices, our reception, our interpreters that 32 00:01:44,160 --> 00:01:46,680 Speaker 2: work at the hospitals and clinics. So we need to 33 00:01:46,720 --> 00:01:48,840 Speaker 2: make sure that the government has their eye on the 34 00:01:48,880 --> 00:01:50,880 Speaker 2: ball and that there is some of that medium and 35 00:01:50,920 --> 00:01:53,120 Speaker 2: long term planning happening for workplace safety. 36 00:01:53,320 --> 00:01:56,400 Speaker 1: Just on that, I mean, you were previously a health minister. 37 00:01:56,680 --> 00:01:59,720 Speaker 1: Do you accept any responsibility for how the systems reach 38 00:01:59,800 --> 00:02:00,800 Speaker 1: this point? 39 00:02:02,120 --> 00:02:04,880 Speaker 2: Yeah. I was a health minister for eight months Katie 40 00:02:04,880 --> 00:02:08,000 Speaker 2: in the previous term and it was quite astounding to 41 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:11,720 Speaker 2: see some of the daily ins and outs of what 42 00:02:11,840 --> 00:02:14,640 Speaker 2: our health staff do have to face some of the 43 00:02:14,680 --> 00:02:18,520 Speaker 2: work that we did previously and government was to work 44 00:02:18,560 --> 00:02:21,079 Speaker 2: around retention. How do we keep staff if they're not 45 00:02:21,120 --> 00:02:23,880 Speaker 2: feeling safe? How do we improve the work conditions? I'm 46 00:02:23,880 --> 00:02:28,280 Speaker 2: not sure in terms of any of that longevity work 47 00:02:28,360 --> 00:02:31,040 Speaker 2: is happening currently with the CLP government, So be really 48 00:02:31,120 --> 00:02:34,240 Speaker 2: keen to understand what measures are being put in place 49 00:02:34,480 --> 00:02:38,400 Speaker 2: to see the retention of our works, our health staff 50 00:02:38,480 --> 00:02:41,120 Speaker 2: around the workplace. But what measures are being put in 51 00:02:41,280 --> 00:02:44,880 Speaker 2: so that particularly places that become quite volatile, like our 52 00:02:44,880 --> 00:02:48,519 Speaker 2: emergency departments around the NT, what are the safety mechanisms 53 00:02:48,560 --> 00:02:50,639 Speaker 2: in for our staff as much as for the patients 54 00:02:50,680 --> 00:02:53,320 Speaker 2: as well. We need to have that broader conversation across 55 00:02:53,320 --> 00:02:53,799 Speaker 2: the territory. 56 00:02:53,880 --> 00:02:56,200 Speaker 1: Katie, do you think there could be more done in 57 00:02:56,320 --> 00:02:58,920 Speaker 1: terms of like boosting security and I know that that 58 00:02:59,000 --> 00:03:01,720 Speaker 1: sort of falls under I would imagine the Department of Health, 59 00:03:01,760 --> 00:03:04,399 Speaker 1: But could more be done in that space because that's 60 00:03:04,400 --> 00:03:06,359 Speaker 1: one of the points that the union's making that they're 61 00:03:06,360 --> 00:03:09,040 Speaker 1: not able to respond quickly enough and you know and 62 00:03:09,080 --> 00:03:11,320 Speaker 1: effectively I guess that means that you know that you've 63 00:03:11,360 --> 00:03:14,760 Speaker 1: got doctors, nurses, all of those stuff within Royal Dal 64 00:03:14,840 --> 00:03:19,480 Speaker 1: and hospital's emergency department put under pretty seriously threatening situations 65 00:03:19,520 --> 00:03:20,240 Speaker 1: at different times. 66 00:03:20,280 --> 00:03:24,320 Speaker 2: I'd imagine, okaytie, I hope the government's listening to our 67 00:03:24,440 --> 00:03:26,600 Speaker 2: nurses and our doctors. If that is a measure they 68 00:03:26,680 --> 00:03:30,560 Speaker 2: think could be boosted, that could improve workplace safety, could improve, 69 00:03:31,360 --> 00:03:34,320 Speaker 2: you know, particularly in emergency departments that really you know, 70 00:03:34,480 --> 00:03:36,680 Speaker 2: fight or flight kind of moment when it comes to 71 00:03:36,960 --> 00:03:39,480 Speaker 2: accessing health care, then that should be put in place. 72 00:03:39,560 --> 00:03:41,520 Speaker 2: I think we should have a government that listens to 73 00:03:41,600 --> 00:03:43,680 Speaker 2: those experts. We don't want to have a nurse or 74 00:03:43,680 --> 00:03:46,160 Speaker 2: a doctor having to worry about a security issue when 75 00:03:46,160 --> 00:03:48,280 Speaker 2: they should be worried about a health issue. So if 76 00:03:48,280 --> 00:03:50,320 Speaker 2: that is one of the measures that our union and 77 00:03:50,360 --> 00:03:52,960 Speaker 2: our health staff, they could be put in pretty quickly 78 00:03:53,280 --> 00:03:55,840 Speaker 2: to be able to create more of a safety buffer 79 00:03:56,000 --> 00:03:58,160 Speaker 2: so that our medical staff can do what they do 80 00:03:58,240 --> 00:04:00,920 Speaker 2: best and save lives and look after territories in need, 81 00:04:01,240 --> 00:04:03,200 Speaker 2: then that should just be a measure that's put in place. 82 00:04:03,200 --> 00:04:05,000 Speaker 2: So I'd love to see the government get behind our 83 00:04:05,040 --> 00:04:07,400 Speaker 2: health stuff and just put that measure in to see 84 00:04:07,400 --> 00:04:10,280 Speaker 2: what's working. Give them that reprieve so that they can 85 00:04:10,320 --> 00:04:12,200 Speaker 2: work on those medium and long term solutions. 86 00:04:12,240 --> 00:04:16,560 Speaker 1: Opposition leader. It sounds like unfortunately Saint john have also 87 00:04:16,680 --> 00:04:20,480 Speaker 1: had another massive weekend, they've been stretched to the limit. 88 00:04:20,680 --> 00:04:24,719 Speaker 1: Another critical system failure point with Saint John's saying twenty 89 00:04:24,760 --> 00:04:28,320 Speaker 1: one cases on Friday morning, so people have to wait 90 00:04:28,400 --> 00:04:32,599 Speaker 1: more than six hours for an ambulance. Do we need 91 00:04:32,640 --> 00:04:36,799 Speaker 1: a situation here with Saint john where they are given 92 00:04:36,839 --> 00:04:39,360 Speaker 1: that certainty of like a four or a five year 93 00:04:39,440 --> 00:04:42,520 Speaker 1: contract and they know exactly how much money it's going 94 00:04:42,560 --> 00:04:45,120 Speaker 1: to be, so that they know how many extra staff 95 00:04:45,440 --> 00:04:47,680 Speaker 1: they can put on if required, and what kind of 96 00:04:47,720 --> 00:04:49,280 Speaker 1: infrastructure they can invest in. 97 00:04:50,600 --> 00:04:52,839 Speaker 2: I think that again that goes to the long term 98 00:04:52,880 --> 00:04:55,760 Speaker 2: and medium term planning, Katie, and that is critical when 99 00:04:55,760 --> 00:04:59,320 Speaker 2: it comes to health here in the NT. If any organization, 100 00:04:59,440 --> 00:05:02,799 Speaker 2: particularly one that is as critical as Saint John's ambulance 101 00:05:02,839 --> 00:05:05,520 Speaker 2: service in the NT, they are not provided with the 102 00:05:05,560 --> 00:05:08,599 Speaker 2: certainty of contracts, with the certainty of funding and that 103 00:05:08,720 --> 00:05:13,520 Speaker 2: investment plan in infrastructure, health, life saving infrastructure, then you 104 00:05:13,520 --> 00:05:15,800 Speaker 2: can't plan your resources for your staff. You can't plan 105 00:05:15,880 --> 00:05:19,240 Speaker 2: those breaks, you can't plan when those emergency responds. Obviously 106 00:05:19,279 --> 00:05:22,000 Speaker 2: you can't predict when emergency happens, but you can't plan 107 00:05:22,279 --> 00:05:25,479 Speaker 2: how best to deal with those emergencies, and unfortunately, as 108 00:05:25,480 --> 00:05:27,320 Speaker 2: you've mentioned, we've seen you know, a lot of people 109 00:05:27,360 --> 00:05:29,400 Speaker 2: out and about, which is great enjoying these two weekend, 110 00:05:29,440 --> 00:05:32,560 Speaker 2: but it also means that unfortunately there is the downside 111 00:05:32,800 --> 00:05:35,520 Speaker 2: and seeing some more of those critical incidents across the NT. 112 00:05:35,839 --> 00:05:39,960 Speaker 2: So again, we do need to see that longevity of 113 00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:44,000 Speaker 2: contracts and those discussions with the experts, with the people 114 00:05:44,000 --> 00:05:46,560 Speaker 2: who are dealing day in and day out with focusing 115 00:05:46,600 --> 00:05:48,880 Speaker 2: on saving on territorials life. What do they need, what 116 00:05:48,880 --> 00:05:51,719 Speaker 2: are the tools, what are the resources, and what is 117 00:05:51,760 --> 00:05:53,800 Speaker 2: the plan that they need to make sure that they 118 00:05:53,880 --> 00:05:56,279 Speaker 2: can help continue to do the work that they do 119 00:05:56,400 --> 00:05:58,599 Speaker 2: and save territorials lives when it's most critical. 120 00:05:58,839 --> 00:06:01,840 Speaker 1: Just on that really quick, Clay, Does the government need 121 00:06:01,880 --> 00:06:03,920 Speaker 1: to make a decision on that before the budget gets 122 00:06:03,960 --> 00:06:07,160 Speaker 1: handed down in early mailor whenever it is. I mean, 123 00:06:07,200 --> 00:06:10,000 Speaker 1: like I feel as though they need this certainty now. 124 00:06:11,040 --> 00:06:13,760 Speaker 2: I think, Katie, we've seen the government can make decisions 125 00:06:13,839 --> 00:06:16,440 Speaker 2: outside of budget cycles and if they're saying that they can't, 126 00:06:16,520 --> 00:06:19,679 Speaker 2: that's bull dust. I think that when it comes to health, 127 00:06:19,680 --> 00:06:21,880 Speaker 2: it has not been a priority of the Colp government 128 00:06:21,920 --> 00:06:23,680 Speaker 2: for the last year and a half when it comes 129 00:06:23,760 --> 00:06:26,240 Speaker 2: to making sure that our health staff and our ambos 130 00:06:26,480 --> 00:06:30,360 Speaker 2: and our paramedics are best equipped and resources possible, those 131 00:06:30,400 --> 00:06:32,839 Speaker 2: decisions by government should be made when they're needed. 132 00:06:33,080 --> 00:06:35,880 Speaker 1: All right, Opposition Leader. This morning, you are calling on 133 00:06:35,920 --> 00:06:39,560 Speaker 1: the Northern Territory government to do more to support Territory businesses, 134 00:06:39,600 --> 00:06:43,080 Speaker 1: which you say are being left to fend for themselves 135 00:06:43,200 --> 00:06:46,640 Speaker 1: after a tough wet season and rising fuel costs and 136 00:06:46,720 --> 00:06:51,080 Speaker 1: damage infrastructure, all adding to the strain. Why do you 137 00:06:51,120 --> 00:06:53,960 Speaker 1: believe the government's failed to deliver the support that businesses 138 00:06:54,040 --> 00:06:54,800 Speaker 1: need right now? 139 00:06:55,960 --> 00:06:59,960 Speaker 2: Well, Katie, we saw the impact on businesses in COVID 140 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:04,360 Speaker 2: and those times of uncertainty when the interstate and international 141 00:07:04,360 --> 00:07:08,440 Speaker 2: tourism stops coming into the territory. There were grants put 142 00:07:08,480 --> 00:07:11,360 Speaker 2: out by our former territory government for our businesses to 143 00:07:11,400 --> 00:07:13,960 Speaker 2: get back on their feet, to invest in their infrastructure 144 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:17,480 Speaker 2: to get more attractive and better up to scratch, but 145 00:07:17,560 --> 00:07:20,360 Speaker 2: also tourism grants to make sure that territories were able 146 00:07:20,400 --> 00:07:23,680 Speaker 2: to travel out and about and the intra territory travel 147 00:07:24,320 --> 00:07:27,000 Speaker 2: continued even though our borders were closed during COVID. We 148 00:07:27,080 --> 00:07:29,920 Speaker 2: need to see the same type of initiatives now with 149 00:07:30,200 --> 00:07:33,720 Speaker 2: our weather impacted businesses. I have a couple in my 150 00:07:33,840 --> 00:07:35,720 Speaker 2: electric Kadi in the Artamal election. I wrote to the 151 00:07:35,760 --> 00:07:38,040 Speaker 2: government several weeks ago in my response yet of course, 152 00:07:38,800 --> 00:07:41,440 Speaker 2: but in terms of being able to provide some small 153 00:07:42,120 --> 00:07:45,560 Speaker 2: but very critical business packages that could help out, particularly 154 00:07:45,640 --> 00:07:48,720 Speaker 2: tourism operators get back on track with the start of 155 00:07:48,760 --> 00:07:50,320 Speaker 2: the dry coming up soon. We've got a bit of 156 00:07:50,320 --> 00:07:52,679 Speaker 2: fake dry season in different parts of the territory, Katy. 157 00:07:53,600 --> 00:07:56,760 Speaker 2: But being able to support those businesses and the territory 158 00:07:56,760 --> 00:07:58,840 Speaker 2: government does not have to wait for the federal government. 159 00:07:58,840 --> 00:08:00,640 Speaker 2: I've heard a little bit of that. I think that 160 00:08:00,640 --> 00:08:03,920 Speaker 2: that is not true. I think that the territory government 161 00:08:03,960 --> 00:08:07,200 Speaker 2: could put aside a little bit of that those resources, 162 00:08:07,240 --> 00:08:10,160 Speaker 2: that funding to be able to support our businesses who 163 00:08:10,200 --> 00:08:12,880 Speaker 2: will fill the pinch when it comes to particularly the 164 00:08:12,920 --> 00:08:16,080 Speaker 2: start of May, when tourism and hospitality is starting to 165 00:08:16,160 --> 00:08:18,080 Speaker 2: peek here in the territory. We don't want to see 166 00:08:18,080 --> 00:08:20,920 Speaker 2: those businesses left behind or even worse, Katie, close their 167 00:08:20,960 --> 00:08:23,480 Speaker 2: doors because they're not being supported to get back on track. 168 00:08:23,640 --> 00:08:26,280 Speaker 2: With all the pressures and including fuel now and the 169 00:08:26,280 --> 00:08:30,400 Speaker 2: freight costs are going to affect the territory far and wide. Unfortunately, 170 00:08:30,440 --> 00:08:31,080 Speaker 2: I know you said that. 171 00:08:31,120 --> 00:08:33,880 Speaker 1: Obviously they you know, they don't need to wait for 172 00:08:33,960 --> 00:08:36,080 Speaker 1: the federal government. That there is different things that they 173 00:08:36,120 --> 00:08:38,760 Speaker 1: could be doing now. But realistically the federal government should 174 00:08:38,840 --> 00:08:39,720 Speaker 1: help here as well. 175 00:08:40,640 --> 00:08:42,760 Speaker 2: Oh of course I think they should. I think anything 176 00:08:42,800 --> 00:08:45,200 Speaker 2: that the federal government should do to boost but we 177 00:08:45,240 --> 00:08:47,760 Speaker 2: want to see it doesn't matter who's in politics, Katie, 178 00:08:47,800 --> 00:08:50,640 Speaker 2: at the territory level, we want to see our businesses 179 00:08:50,840 --> 00:08:53,800 Speaker 2: and our sectors supported. So putting out our hands to 180 00:08:53,840 --> 00:08:55,640 Speaker 2: the feds, you know, that's a bonus. When we get 181 00:08:56,000 --> 00:08:58,280 Speaker 2: money from the federal government, that's great, but we want 182 00:08:58,320 --> 00:09:01,880 Speaker 2: to see those initiatives hit the ground, have the time 183 00:09:01,960 --> 00:09:04,360 Speaker 2: to make a difference, particularly in the next three to 184 00:09:04,400 --> 00:09:07,640 Speaker 2: four weeks leading up to the peak season for tourism 185 00:09:07,640 --> 00:09:10,280 Speaker 2: and hospitality. We want to see those businesses on their 186 00:09:10,320 --> 00:09:13,440 Speaker 2: feet and being able to support the territory economy. Anything 187 00:09:13,480 --> 00:09:16,120 Speaker 2: the Feds can offer and will offer will be fantastic, 188 00:09:16,400 --> 00:09:18,760 Speaker 2: but we need to see those initiatives now so our 189 00:09:18,760 --> 00:09:20,040 Speaker 2: businesses aren't left behind. 190 00:09:20,280 --> 00:09:22,640 Speaker 1: Seleny, you bo a lot of discussion over the last 191 00:09:22,679 --> 00:09:25,800 Speaker 1: few days about the Daily River region. We know that 192 00:09:25,920 --> 00:09:29,320 Speaker 1: over the course of the weekend, the Deputy Chief Minister confirming, 193 00:09:29,360 --> 00:09:31,960 Speaker 1: and the Northern Territory Police also telling us last week 194 00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:34,719 Speaker 1: that they are expecting crews to go in there on 195 00:09:34,760 --> 00:09:38,520 Speaker 1: the weekend to do some of that assessment. I believe 196 00:09:38,559 --> 00:09:41,920 Speaker 1: that it is ongoing, but a lot of discussion about 197 00:09:42,040 --> 00:09:46,720 Speaker 1: whether Daily River, whether that community needs to move. What 198 00:09:46,840 --> 00:09:50,040 Speaker 1: are your thoughts, and you know, keeping in mind as well, 199 00:09:50,120 --> 00:09:52,760 Speaker 1: the enormous costs that would be associated with this. 200 00:09:54,080 --> 00:09:56,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, Okaynie, I know that there's been discussions, and you know, 201 00:09:57,120 --> 00:10:00,760 Speaker 2: not just that this unfortunate two big flow, it's the 202 00:10:00,800 --> 00:10:04,280 Speaker 2: community of now Daily River and people being displaced for 203 00:10:04,559 --> 00:10:07,360 Speaker 2: an uncertain amount of time. My thoughts so with those 204 00:10:07,360 --> 00:10:11,040 Speaker 2: families and those service providers. My colleague Duran Young, the 205 00:10:11,080 --> 00:10:13,200 Speaker 2: men for Daily is the local member, so he's in 206 00:10:13,280 --> 00:10:17,000 Speaker 2: constant contact with his constituents and those service providers, trying 207 00:10:17,000 --> 00:10:19,840 Speaker 2: to make sure that people are supported in such a 208 00:10:19,880 --> 00:10:24,000 Speaker 2: distressing and anxious time. But the conversation about, you know, 209 00:10:24,280 --> 00:10:26,480 Speaker 2: does the community stay where it is, does it need 210 00:10:26,520 --> 00:10:29,040 Speaker 2: to be moved? I think if it's led by the community, 211 00:10:29,120 --> 00:10:31,800 Speaker 2: those discussions need to have and hold a lot of 212 00:10:31,840 --> 00:10:36,440 Speaker 2: waiting in terms of that idea, the master planning. There's 213 00:10:36,480 --> 00:10:40,200 Speaker 2: other communities across the territory who have had those conversations 214 00:10:40,200 --> 00:10:42,800 Speaker 2: initially and even when I remember formerly when we were 215 00:10:42,800 --> 00:10:46,400 Speaker 2: in government, Katie. So I think that having those community 216 00:10:46,480 --> 00:10:50,280 Speaker 2: led discussions around master planning will be critical. And then 217 00:10:50,320 --> 00:10:52,920 Speaker 2: if there is the as you said, you know, it 218 00:10:53,000 --> 00:10:55,520 Speaker 2: costs attached, then that can be planned for. But those 219 00:10:55,520 --> 00:10:59,720 Speaker 2: discussions that do need to happen for places like we've seen, 220 00:10:59,760 --> 00:11:01,520 Speaker 2: like you need to be community led. 221 00:11:01,520 --> 00:11:03,680 Speaker 1: Absolutely, Yeah, because I was going to ask, you know, 222 00:11:04,120 --> 00:11:07,400 Speaker 1: like obviously the very obvious thing that people will be saying, 223 00:11:07,440 --> 00:11:10,120 Speaker 1: well is if it's critical, why didn't the Labor Party 224 00:11:10,120 --> 00:11:12,880 Speaker 1: do it? But what I actually wondered is that you know, 225 00:11:12,960 --> 00:11:15,400 Speaker 1: throughout the years, we know that at different times the 226 00:11:15,440 --> 00:11:18,480 Speaker 1: area has flooded, like historically, we know that that is 227 00:11:18,520 --> 00:11:21,559 Speaker 1: what happens. Obviously this time around, it's been a terrible 228 00:11:21,600 --> 00:11:24,880 Speaker 1: situation where it's been an enormous flood and you know 229 00:11:24,960 --> 00:11:28,880 Speaker 1: they're evacuated before Christmas and then obviously had to be 230 00:11:28,920 --> 00:11:32,120 Speaker 1: evacuated again and are still not able to get home. 231 00:11:32,559 --> 00:11:35,800 Speaker 1: But you know, from your knowledge and from some of 232 00:11:35,840 --> 00:11:38,240 Speaker 1: those discussions that you've had, you know, even when you 233 00:11:38,280 --> 00:11:42,000 Speaker 1: were in government, is it something that the community actually wants. 234 00:11:43,280 --> 00:11:45,840 Speaker 2: I think there'll be some community Like everywhere you know, 235 00:11:45,960 --> 00:11:48,640 Speaker 2: not everyone has the same thinking as their neighbor. So 236 00:11:49,080 --> 00:11:53,760 Speaker 2: I think those those robust and proper thought out community 237 00:11:53,760 --> 00:11:56,680 Speaker 2: consultations around what happens at the future. Master planning of 238 00:11:56,720 --> 00:12:00,360 Speaker 2: any town or community or homeland in the territory need 239 00:12:00,440 --> 00:12:04,240 Speaker 2: to be grass roots. They need to involve all community members. 240 00:12:04,280 --> 00:12:06,600 Speaker 2: Not everyone agrees with each other, just like town, just 241 00:12:06,679 --> 00:12:09,200 Speaker 2: like city, not everyone agrees with each other. But master 242 00:12:09,280 --> 00:12:12,320 Speaker 2: planning for new suburbs in Darwin should also have the 243 00:12:12,360 --> 00:12:14,679 Speaker 2: same type of focus as what we see in our 244 00:12:14,679 --> 00:12:17,480 Speaker 2: remote communities in some of our homelands. And I'll take, 245 00:12:17,559 --> 00:12:21,920 Speaker 2: like you know, Catherine, my hometown as an example. Unfortunately, 246 00:12:21,920 --> 00:12:24,240 Speaker 2: we saw even though Round two didn't flood the town 247 00:12:24,679 --> 00:12:29,040 Speaker 2: of Catherine, we did see rural properties still inundated with water. 248 00:12:29,400 --> 00:12:31,520 Speaker 2: It would be the equivalent of telling people in those 249 00:12:31,559 --> 00:12:33,840 Speaker 2: rural properties of Catherine, hey, you should move to cathernice 250 00:12:33,880 --> 00:12:37,000 Speaker 2: because kathernine flood. No, it should be up to those people, 251 00:12:37,080 --> 00:12:40,920 Speaker 2: those residents, to be able to see what suits them, 252 00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:44,360 Speaker 2: their family, their businesses. Same in a remote community sense 253 00:12:44,400 --> 00:12:45,559 Speaker 2: as well, Katie, Yeah. 254 00:12:45,400 --> 00:12:47,600 Speaker 1: Look, I think it's an interesting discussion, but as you said, 255 00:12:47,600 --> 00:12:50,320 Speaker 1: it is something that the community needs to be talking 256 00:12:50,320 --> 00:12:52,840 Speaker 1: about rather than being told what they sort of have 257 00:12:52,960 --> 00:12:54,880 Speaker 1: to do. I guess the other side of that argument, though, 258 00:12:54,960 --> 00:12:57,560 Speaker 1: is it cost a bloody bucket load. I would imagine 259 00:12:57,600 --> 00:13:01,400 Speaker 1: every time the community floods to to rebuild and repair 260 00:13:01,480 --> 00:13:05,960 Speaker 1: that damage. So we either way, it'll be a costly exercise. 261 00:13:06,920 --> 00:13:09,440 Speaker 1: But Selena, before I let you go this morning, these 262 00:13:09,600 --> 00:13:12,120 Speaker 1: petrol prices right, the unlettered prices. I don't know how 263 00:13:12,120 --> 00:13:15,000 Speaker 1: it's looking around your region in Catherine and and the 264 00:13:15,000 --> 00:13:18,680 Speaker 1: communities around there, but the unlettered prices seem to be 265 00:13:18,720 --> 00:13:20,840 Speaker 1: coming down. The diesel is not. 266 00:13:22,600 --> 00:13:26,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's quite interesting. I'm traveling at the moment, Katie, 267 00:13:26,320 --> 00:13:29,439 Speaker 2: with my dad who loves fuel watch, and he tells 268 00:13:29,480 --> 00:13:32,040 Speaker 2: me every morning what fuel cost at the moment while 269 00:13:32,040 --> 00:13:35,240 Speaker 2: we're on a on a trip of it. But so 270 00:13:35,400 --> 00:13:37,280 Speaker 2: I didn't even have to wake up and look at 271 00:13:37,280 --> 00:13:38,640 Speaker 2: the my fuel inta. 272 00:13:38,600 --> 00:13:41,240 Speaker 1: To get every morning. I should just get in more past. 273 00:13:41,880 --> 00:13:43,520 Speaker 2: He would have it, he would have it ready for 274 00:13:45,360 --> 00:13:48,240 Speaker 2: But it's interesting because I'm Intended Creek right now, and 275 00:13:48,920 --> 00:13:51,880 Speaker 2: even Intennant Creek, there's three different prices across some of 276 00:13:51,880 --> 00:13:55,520 Speaker 2: the different servos. Yeah, right in Catherine. I filled up 277 00:13:55,600 --> 00:13:59,640 Speaker 2: yesterday and same sort of thing, couple of servos, just 278 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:04,840 Speaker 2: lightly different, but from thirty cents increase from last week 279 00:14:05,360 --> 00:14:08,240 Speaker 2: when I filled up last as well. So I think 280 00:14:08,440 --> 00:14:11,520 Speaker 2: it is becoming a more and more of a concern, 281 00:14:11,559 --> 00:14:14,440 Speaker 2: which is today we put out a media release Katie 282 00:14:15,000 --> 00:14:17,720 Speaker 2: again asking the government to look at what type of 283 00:14:17,880 --> 00:14:21,720 Speaker 2: practical measures we can see supporting particularly businesses that rely 284 00:14:21,880 --> 00:14:26,720 Speaker 2: on feel our tourism industry, our pastoral industry, our construction industry, 285 00:14:27,000 --> 00:14:29,720 Speaker 2: making sure that there are some practical steps, you know, 286 00:14:30,040 --> 00:14:33,400 Speaker 2: to cover the freight. Our freight and transport workers are 287 00:14:33,440 --> 00:14:36,120 Speaker 2: really going to be feeling the pinch now. And how 288 00:14:36,160 --> 00:14:39,160 Speaker 2: does that then affect everyday Territorians if the cost is 289 00:14:39,200 --> 00:14:42,200 Speaker 2: going to be passed on, you know at the checkpoint 290 00:14:42,240 --> 00:14:45,120 Speaker 2: when we're paying for the goods we we're paying for 291 00:14:45,320 --> 00:14:49,440 Speaker 2: not just fuel itself, but you know, our coffees, our groceries. 292 00:14:49,480 --> 00:14:52,200 Speaker 2: Are we going to see some of those increases hit 293 00:14:52,320 --> 00:14:54,840 Speaker 2: Territorians where it hurts mice and right on the hip pocket. 294 00:14:54,960 --> 00:14:57,080 Speaker 2: So I think it is going to be a really 295 00:14:57,120 --> 00:15:01,240 Speaker 2: critical month this month of April particular, seeing what happens 296 00:15:01,320 --> 00:15:05,680 Speaker 2: internationally with the conflict, but how does it continue to 297 00:15:05,800 --> 00:15:09,280 Speaker 2: impact us here in Australia and particular the territory It 298 00:15:09,360 --> 00:15:11,960 Speaker 2: runs on fuel, Katie, we know some communities run on 299 00:15:12,000 --> 00:15:15,320 Speaker 2: diesel generations, So what are the other measures that are 300 00:15:15,440 --> 00:15:18,440 Speaker 2: being planned for here in the territory. Because we love 301 00:15:18,480 --> 00:15:20,960 Speaker 2: where we live, it's unique. We're fiercely proud of the 302 00:15:21,040 --> 00:15:24,400 Speaker 2: Northern Territory. But you know, as much as we're fearing 303 00:15:24,440 --> 00:15:26,640 Speaker 2: a little bit better than some of the other jurisdictions 304 00:15:26,680 --> 00:15:28,960 Speaker 2: in terms of knowing that we've got fuel at the bowser, 305 00:15:29,720 --> 00:15:32,400 Speaker 2: how is that going to increase the cost of living 306 00:15:32,440 --> 00:15:35,200 Speaker 2: crisis that people are already feeling this year in particular. 307 00:15:35,480 --> 00:15:38,880 Speaker 1: Yep, fair point. Well Opposition leaders, Selina, you bo really 308 00:15:38,920 --> 00:15:41,640 Speaker 1: appreciate your time. Tell you Dad we'll be calling him 309 00:15:41,640 --> 00:15:43,760 Speaker 1: each morning to shut out on the ventral prices. Are 310 00:15:44,360 --> 00:15:44,960 Speaker 1: I all love it. 311 00:15:44,960 --> 00:15:47,680 Speaker 2: He'll send it through to Kathleen any day you need it. 312 00:15:47,800 --> 00:15:50,640 Speaker 1: Good, Thank you, thanks so much for your time.