WEBVTT - S06E05 - Delve deeper into... Building Community with Kudzai 0:00:00.040 --> 0:00:03.600 How do you think we do as zimbabwins in building 0:00:04.240 --> 0:00:06.200 community and supporting each other. 0:00:06.280 --> 0:00:11.520 Way that we're like programmed where there is a competitiveness, 0:00:11.560 --> 0:00:15.000 like there's only room for one person. You have migration trauma. 0:00:15.080 --> 0:00:17.960 I have migration trauma. It's affecting how we're relating in 0:00:18.000 --> 0:00:21.200 the household, how we're relating in community workspaces. 0:00:20.640 --> 0:00:23.239 All that kind of stuff. But we're not having the conversation. 0:00:23.000 --> 0:00:25.520 Even though we can watch like twenty rom coms with 0:00:25.640 --> 0:00:28.720 twenty different white chicks for us to take that one actress. 0:00:28.800 --> 0:00:30.720 You know that we all know that one musician. We 0:00:30.800 --> 0:00:31.240 all know. 0:00:43.440 --> 0:00:47.800 I'm always always be careful. 0:00:47.400 --> 0:00:56.240 Love those Hi. I'm Amanda and I'm Rumbi. Welcome to 0:00:56.400 --> 0:00:57.720 It's Layered Podcasts. 0:00:57.800 --> 0:01:00.560 We're a part of the Black Past Network powered by 0:01:00.600 --> 0:01:04.240 iHeart and today we're recording in studio in Melbourne. 0:01:04.319 --> 0:01:07.440 You're at the beautiful Bittersweet studio set up by Pink 0:01:07.560 --> 0:01:12.320 Lady Picnics. We have such an amazing episode for you 0:01:12.360 --> 0:01:19.880 guys with someone really excited about a fellow Zimbabie. 0:01:22.120 --> 0:01:24.360 Okay, we're gonna give a brief bio and then we're 0:01:24.360 --> 0:01:26.920 gonna let you guys get to know why we're so 0:01:26.959 --> 0:01:30.960 excited to have Kudzai here of undone the podcast, Come 0:01:31.000 --> 0:01:34.560 on kud Zaid no nah. It's a mental health advocate, 0:01:35.040 --> 0:01:39.240 podcast host and public health professional passionate about fostering meaningful 0:01:39.240 --> 0:01:42.959 conversations and driving positive change within the African diaspora. 0:01:43.200 --> 0:01:44.560 We're all about that, you know that. 0:01:45.040 --> 0:01:48.280 Originally from Zimbabwe, becuz I's migration journey to England and 0:01:48.360 --> 0:01:53.080 later to Australia has deeply informed her perspectives on mental health, migration, 0:01:53.240 --> 0:01:58.080 trauma OOH, and the importance of culturally sensitive support systems. 0:01:58.400 --> 0:02:02.400 Her work highlights the importance of representation, collaboration like what 0:02:02.440 --> 0:02:06.240 we're doing today in addressing mental health challenges within migrant 0:02:06.280 --> 0:02:10.640 and refugee communities, whether through her podcast and done the podcast, 0:02:11.000 --> 0:02:14.520 community initiatives, or public speaking. Because Thi's mission is to 0:02:14.520 --> 0:02:18.560 build bridges, challenge stigmas, and uplift the voices of those 0:02:18.720 --> 0:02:20.040 often overlooked. 0:02:21.040 --> 0:02:25.160 Welcome to the podcast. Not your bio makes it feel like, 0:02:25.360 --> 0:02:28.639 you know, around this world, I listening to us like. 0:02:31.360 --> 0:02:35.720 Chiud of you because wow, wow, wow, thank you, thank you. 0:02:35.880 --> 0:02:38.360 I'm doing the things grinding. 0:02:39.480 --> 0:02:45.119 Already for myself, but for real we really. 0:02:44.960 --> 0:02:47.440 Because you know, the theme of the season. Season six 0:02:47.600 --> 0:02:50.639 is really a love letter to women women of color, 0:02:51.760 --> 0:02:54.120 just because I think sometimes life's so hard, like we're 0:02:54.160 --> 0:02:56.839 just going hard, hard, hard, and we need to take 0:02:56.880 --> 0:02:59.440 a setback. And I think through your work, through your podcast, 0:02:59.480 --> 0:03:01.880 you're really shining a light on some of the things 0:03:01.919 --> 0:03:05.320 we go through. And we'd love to learn a little 0:03:05.320 --> 0:03:09.000 bit more about how you would describe your podcast and 0:03:09.160 --> 0:03:10.880 how you got into it, Like when were you like, 0:03:10.919 --> 0:03:13.400 you know what I'm I actually go on pressplate, I. 0:03:13.560 --> 0:03:18.480 Do it, Okay, So I describe it as it's like 0:03:18.520 --> 0:03:22.240 a mental health podcast, I guess, but the conversations are 0:03:22.320 --> 0:03:27.360 very like the tagline is holistic and intergenerational conversations, so 0:03:27.440 --> 0:03:29.840 like holistic in the sense that yes, sometimes we will 0:03:29.880 --> 0:03:33.799 talk about like substance use and like depression therapy all 0:03:33.800 --> 0:03:36.440 that kind of stuff, but then other times, like there's 0:03:36.600 --> 0:03:38.880 one podcast episode I was thinking about today, I was like, 0:03:38.880 --> 0:03:40.240 I want to listen to that again because. 0:03:40.040 --> 0:03:41.840 It makes me feel so smart to listen to it, 0:03:42.880 --> 0:03:43.640 where my friend. 0:03:43.480 --> 0:03:46.280 And I talked about how as people of color and 0:03:46.320 --> 0:03:51.440 like Africans in the diaspora, sometimes engaging with what's social 0:03:51.440 --> 0:03:54.520 media activism can be really complicated. And such a like 0:03:54.840 --> 0:03:57.520 difficult field to navigate because it's like every day I'm 0:03:57.560 --> 0:03:59.200 showing up at work, I'm showing up in all these 0:03:59.240 --> 0:04:04.200 different spaces. I'm already all that. Yeah, and then now 0:04:04.240 --> 0:04:06.680 I have to be like an activist on social media too, 0:04:06.720 --> 0:04:09.680 so people believe I'm about what I'm about, Like this 0:04:09.720 --> 0:04:10.240 is a lot. 0:04:11.760 --> 0:04:13.320 So yeah, I love that episode. 0:04:13.880 --> 0:04:16.360 She's so intelligent and so smart and I've just spent 0:04:16.360 --> 0:04:18.320 the whole episode just listening to her. So like that's 0:04:18.400 --> 0:04:21.840 another way that we discuss like mental health in like 0:04:21.880 --> 0:04:24.880 a general like what does it look like day to day? 0:04:25.040 --> 0:04:26.560 Not just very clinical. 0:04:27.520 --> 0:04:31.200 And then intergenerational because I've been blessed with a community 0:04:31.279 --> 0:04:34.320 of old people who love talking about this kind of stuff, 0:04:34.320 --> 0:04:37.440 well versed in this kind of stuff, and I think 0:04:37.480 --> 0:04:40.680 those conversations are important because there often is a disconnect 0:04:40.760 --> 0:04:45.000 between I guess the younger generation and the older people. 0:04:45.160 --> 0:04:48.000 And in like your migration, you have migration trauma, I 0:04:48.040 --> 0:04:51.400 have migration trauma. It's affecting how we're relating in the household, 0:04:51.480 --> 0:04:54.320 how we're relating in community workspaces, all that kind of stuff. 0:04:54.440 --> 0:04:57.760 But we're not having the conversations like yeah, or if 0:04:57.760 --> 0:04:59.440 we are having the conversations. It's like, but yeah, but 0:04:59.440 --> 0:05:01.400 what's your problem. You grew up here, you have it's 0:05:01.400 --> 0:05:03.640 so easy. You didn't have to get it there, Like 0:05:03.680 --> 0:05:07.400 you shouldn't be depressed. It's like, okay, it's not that easy. 0:05:07.080 --> 0:05:12.560 Yeah, yeah, So for you it was quite important to documents, right, Yeah, yeah. 0:05:12.080 --> 0:05:15.480 I think that's what it was in the new season. 0:05:15.520 --> 0:05:19.560 I don't really have official seasons kind of vibes, but 0:05:19.640 --> 0:05:22.279 I keep talking about how I think the African Australian 0:05:22.279 --> 0:05:25.880 community is a young diaspora community and we have the 0:05:25.920 --> 0:05:28.800 privilege of being able to learn from America and the 0:05:28.920 --> 0:05:33.320 UK and kind of taking what's worked for them hasn't 0:05:33.320 --> 0:05:35.840 worked for them, but also understanding that we're our own community, 0:05:35.880 --> 0:05:39.320 we're our own makeup. People have migrated here under different 0:05:39.320 --> 0:05:43.240 circumstances to both of those communities, and so we're like 0:05:43.279 --> 0:05:45.960 in the building stage, yeah, and so getting to be 0:05:46.000 --> 0:05:47.839 a part of that and I guess documenting what that 0:05:47.880 --> 0:05:51.120 looks like and how we move forward and people who 0:05:51.360 --> 0:05:53.400 Another big thing is like spotlighting people who are doing 0:05:53.440 --> 0:05:56.080 amazing work within the community, where I'm like, look, we 0:05:56.160 --> 0:05:59.160 have some really dope African Australians, Like did you know 0:05:59.200 --> 0:06:02.800 about this most so yeah, yeah, and I love that, 0:06:02.839 --> 0:06:03.000 you know. 0:06:03.040 --> 0:06:04.880 And it's so funny because the other day Rumbia and 0:06:04.920 --> 0:06:07.080 I went out and it was like I'm a piano 0:06:07.120 --> 0:06:09.680 afrobeat situation and I was like, she was like, oh 0:06:09.680 --> 0:06:12.560 my gosh, you known Prague still budding if at all? 0:06:13.000 --> 0:06:16.920 And I was like, girl, first it was not like 0:06:16.960 --> 0:06:20.080 this when I say, and then now to see the 0:06:20.240 --> 0:06:23.919 journey and now it's the norm because you said oversaturated 0:06:23.920 --> 0:06:25.320 and now we're like, which one do you go to? 0:06:25.320 --> 0:06:28.000 I don't feel like it. Yeah, you know, so there 0:06:28.160 --> 0:06:29.800 is we do get. 0:06:29.680 --> 0:06:33.560 To a certain destination, but it is intentional work. And 0:06:33.600 --> 0:06:35.640 I think like when people were coming over and bring 0:06:35.640 --> 0:06:38.040 our music and our culture and our and like now 0:06:38.080 --> 0:06:39.440 we're reeping the benefits. 0:06:39.520 --> 0:06:39.680 Right. 0:06:39.839 --> 0:06:43.520 So I agree with you that collaboration is important to you, 0:06:43.839 --> 0:06:46.400 especially like I guess from my lens where I'm coming 0:06:46.400 --> 0:06:50.040 from Prague, it's like also talking to each other and 0:06:50.120 --> 0:06:53.000 working with each other and engaging each other. Sometimes I 0:06:53.040 --> 0:06:55.440 feel it can be very siloed. And I saw that 0:06:55.520 --> 0:06:58.240 when you know, the war in Ukraine started and we're 0:06:58.279 --> 0:07:00.960 trying to help Africans, do you don't get out and 0:07:01.120 --> 0:07:04.120 Africans was stuck in Ukraine and it was very much 0:07:04.200 --> 0:07:07.760 like there wasn't really a like we weren't uniting, And 0:07:07.800 --> 0:07:09.680 so I think it's gonna it takes that kind of 0:07:09.720 --> 0:07:15.080 collaboration and working together to me, because why do you. 0:07:15.000 --> 0:07:18.120 Think it's difficult for us to build community, especially as 0:07:18.160 --> 0:07:18.960 people of color? 0:07:19.680 --> 0:07:34.320 Oh, asking the questions, I think, Oh, what would I say? 0:07:34.760 --> 0:07:38.280 I think there's a lot of preconceived notions that we 0:07:38.480 --> 0:07:44.360 have about each other. Tribalism is huge, and then now 0:07:44.360 --> 0:07:46.960 you're thinking about like even in terms of countries and 0:07:47.120 --> 0:07:49.440 like how that plays into it. 0:07:49.520 --> 0:07:52.760 So I think that definitely plays a part. I also 0:07:52.800 --> 0:07:55.160 think like we're just trying to survive half the time, 0:07:55.240 --> 0:07:57.200 Like people are just trying to make money, go to work, 0:07:57.200 --> 0:07:59.480 look after relatives back home. But that's what they're doing. 0:07:59.600 --> 0:08:02.360 Like people are trying to survive. So then does the 0:08:02.400 --> 0:08:04.720 whole as well as hierarchy if needs like you're just 0:08:04.800 --> 0:08:06.920 trying to take care of your basically before you get 0:08:06.960 --> 0:08:09.320 to this other stuff like community. 0:08:08.840 --> 0:08:09.240 Like what what? 0:08:09.680 --> 0:08:12.360 But not realizing that community also is very important and 0:08:12.360 --> 0:08:12.800 it helps you. 0:08:14.560 --> 0:08:19.240 Yeah, For me, when I watched the documentary on the 0:08:19.240 --> 0:08:23.880 Blue Zones and how and I read Ikey Guy a 0:08:23.920 --> 0:08:28.720 book around you know, essentially having a whole and fulfilled life. 0:08:28.960 --> 0:08:33.720 It talks about how integral community is. And you know, 0:08:33.880 --> 0:08:35.960 we grew up where it was naturally a thing. We 0:08:36.000 --> 0:08:39.040 had community, right you go Kumusha, you'd see grandparents, you 0:08:39.080 --> 0:08:42.480 see your cousins. And then as we've dispersed and become 0:08:42.520 --> 0:08:46.160 the daspora and gone to different places, it's less of that. Right, 0:08:46.200 --> 0:08:49.680 But you have to be intentional about building community because 0:08:49.679 --> 0:08:53.000 what you know, the documentary and the book highlighted was 0:08:53.000 --> 0:08:56.200 that that is how you live well and longer because 0:08:56.600 --> 0:08:59.480 these older people in these blue zones have like friends 0:08:59.480 --> 0:09:02.040 that they can depend on, who support them, who all 0:09:02.120 --> 0:09:04.800 this thing. And it's like, wow, we should not underestimate that, 0:09:05.040 --> 0:09:08.160 like it really helps you live a life of longevity. 0:09:08.320 --> 0:09:12.520 So so we don't come from like individualistic culture, like 0:09:12.600 --> 0:09:15.560 that's not that's not what the norm was like even 0:09:15.559 --> 0:09:18.000 when we lived in UK. I remember my parents would 0:09:18.000 --> 0:09:20.920 be like, anyway, you're going to your grandmars or school holidays, 0:09:20.920 --> 0:09:23.760 by you're going to this antipot becausin the school holidays 0:09:23.760 --> 0:09:24.200 will see. 0:09:24.080 --> 0:09:26.640 You when you get back, Like that was the vibe. 0:09:26.679 --> 0:09:29.719 And then now you come here and I'm like, oh, 0:09:30.000 --> 0:09:31.199 I have like one cousin here, like. 0:09:35.000 --> 0:09:37.680 How messed do you think we can build community as 0:09:37.840 --> 0:09:41.760 especially creatives. So we had the privilege of being on 0:09:41.920 --> 0:09:46.320 undone the podcast Amanda, and I think we both left 0:09:46.480 --> 0:09:50.440 that recording feeling like, Wow, you are such a great. 0:09:52.120 --> 0:09:53.000 Communicator. 0:09:53.440 --> 0:09:58.079 You are inquisitive, you are empathetic, and you go there 0:09:58.280 --> 0:10:00.960 because we talked about things we spoken them up before, 0:10:01.280 --> 0:10:03.640 but from a different lens, and then other aspects you 0:10:03.640 --> 0:10:04.440 managed to bring up. 0:10:04.600 --> 0:10:06.439 So you're clearly very good at this. This is basically 0:10:06.480 --> 0:10:06.960 what I'm saying. 0:10:07.400 --> 0:10:10.600 You wait out for this episode, but could you tell us, 0:10:10.600 --> 0:10:13.320 like how you've gone about it or how you think 0:10:13.360 --> 0:10:16.360 the best way to go about building community as creatives. 0:10:16.440 --> 0:10:21.560 Those I think it starts with understanding that you have 0:10:21.679 --> 0:10:24.560 your audience and you have your people, so don't like 0:10:24.679 --> 0:10:26.920 I think there's like a poverty mindset, especially in the 0:10:27.000 --> 0:10:30.040 creative space, where people like, no, we can't collaborate, No 0:10:30.120 --> 0:10:32.400 we can't do this, No I can't promote that because 0:10:32.440 --> 0:10:34.920 then like I won't have people or you're gonna And 0:10:34.960 --> 0:10:37.920 I was like, no, everyone, even if we are doing 0:10:37.960 --> 0:10:41.640 the same thing, like well, also girls doing podcast about things, 0:10:41.840 --> 0:10:44.520 but we have different audiences, we do it in different ways, 0:10:44.559 --> 0:10:46.640 like there's enough food at the table. 0:10:48.320 --> 0:10:49.360 So yeah, I think. 0:10:49.200 --> 0:10:52.719 It's starting with not thinking that there's like limited resources 0:10:52.760 --> 0:10:56.760 and like audience out there. And also I've always been 0:10:56.760 --> 0:10:59.400 like a fangirl, like that's my thing. I cheerlead everyone 0:10:59.440 --> 0:11:01.400 like I'm just like so supportive, And I think that 0:11:01.440 --> 0:11:04.600 makes a huge difference because the people who are usually 0:11:04.800 --> 0:11:08.480 going to creative fields usually our overthinker. 0:11:07.880 --> 0:11:10.360 Is really critical the whole thing. 0:11:10.800 --> 0:11:12.480 And so if you're able to see something that someone 0:11:12.520 --> 0:11:14.520 is doing and they're doing it well and you point 0:11:14.520 --> 0:11:16.800 that out and you celebrate them, like they're like, oh, 0:11:16.880 --> 0:11:19.680 like people know that You're really like you see me, 0:11:19.920 --> 0:11:22.240 you see me like doing what I'm doing, and it's like, oh, 0:11:22.280 --> 0:11:24.640 now I see you, and then yeah, you kind of 0:11:24.640 --> 0:11:25.360 find your people. 0:11:25.520 --> 0:11:28.080 I think the tokenism thing is real. Like people we 0:11:28.120 --> 0:11:30.560 probably grew up in communities were it was like, ah, 0:11:30.640 --> 0:11:33.280 that one is the thinger that one, yeah, and then 0:11:33.360 --> 0:11:35.440 no one else. Right, And even though we can watch 0:11:35.480 --> 0:11:39.120 like twenty rom coms with twenty different white chicks, for us, 0:11:39.120 --> 0:11:41.200 it's like that one actress you know that we all know, 0:11:41.320 --> 0:11:43.960 that one musician we all know. So I think our 0:11:44.080 --> 0:11:47.840 generation has really pushed against that. Yeah, and we want 0:11:47.920 --> 0:11:49.960 variety and even yes, if you're talking about the exact 0:11:50.000 --> 0:11:52.240 same topics, but you're going to do them naturally, going 0:11:52.320 --> 0:11:54.839 to do them in different ways. So even with us 0:11:54.880 --> 0:11:57.080 like you reaching out, us reaching out to you, it's 0:11:57.120 --> 0:11:59.600 been such a beautiful thing for us as well, because 0:11:59.640 --> 0:12:02.480 it's like, you know, we really do have a community, 0:12:02.480 --> 0:12:05.000 and we need to. Even coming into Bittersweed Studio, the 0:12:05.040 --> 0:12:07.319 amount of other people guests we had, we were like, 0:12:07.440 --> 0:12:09.320 oh my gosh, think of Bittersweet studios when I think 0:12:09.400 --> 0:12:11.960 of studios. So it's like that, right, you're throwing your 0:12:12.040 --> 0:12:13.760 name in the ring. And also you don't know where 0:12:13.760 --> 0:12:15.800 we wish rooms. We will enter which rooms you will, 0:12:15.840 --> 0:12:18.600 And so for a community, we can always be like, 0:12:18.640 --> 0:12:20.560 oh that job is not really for me, but I 0:12:20.600 --> 0:12:22.880 know someone else. You know, that's how the white folks 0:12:22.880 --> 0:12:27.320 do literally thousand like why can't we just do this 0:12:27.559 --> 0:12:28.440 people baby thing? 0:12:28.480 --> 0:12:33.600 It's not you guys know, people stay helping each other, 0:12:34.520 --> 0:12:36.480 like I might not be the best person, but I 0:12:36.559 --> 0:12:42.680 know we posted you have something someone lady, Yeah, but 0:12:42.920 --> 0:12:45.319 I think, yeah, it's just like a weird things like no, 0:12:46.160 --> 0:12:49.160 and then we get so stingy, like it's like, no, 0:12:49.280 --> 0:12:50.480 I'll do it even if you can't do it to 0:12:50.520 --> 0:12:52.000 the best of your ability, if you know you can 0:12:52.000 --> 0:12:53.400 do it, but it's someone who can do it better, 0:12:53.640 --> 0:12:54.280 just letting. 0:12:56.080 --> 0:12:57.360 You. That's what I was saying. 0:12:57.559 --> 0:13:00.760 That's what I always I want to just latch onto that 0:13:00.840 --> 0:13:04.080 and say, how do you think we do as Zimbabweins 0:13:04.480 --> 0:13:07.480 in building community and supporting each other. 0:13:08.080 --> 0:13:10.479 You've got the mic. You're so rude for that. 0:13:10.480 --> 0:13:13.840 That's just like, I don't know what you want to take. 0:13:17.679 --> 0:13:26.679 Please, so sticky one. I'm like, how do I keep 0:13:26.720 --> 0:13:28.120 it politically correct? 0:13:28.760 --> 0:13:32.360 In my experience, that's a great place to start in 0:13:32.400 --> 0:13:39.120 my experience former time. In my experience, I don't know 0:13:39.200 --> 0:13:44.560 if it's like a societal cultural like way that we're 0:13:45.120 --> 0:13:49.839 like programmed where there is a competitiveness like there's only 0:13:49.960 --> 0:13:53.079 room for one person at the table, like there's only 0:13:53.200 --> 0:13:56.480 room for and I think we haven't always been good 0:13:56.480 --> 0:13:59.320 at collaboration to take it there and make it deeper, 0:13:59.360 --> 0:14:00.040 because you know, my. 0:14:01.360 --> 0:14:02.000 That's what's up. 0:14:02.640 --> 0:14:07.479 We have to consider like the I guess the societal 0:14:07.559 --> 0:14:10.680 and economic landscape that our parents were growing up in 0:14:11.040 --> 0:14:13.840 and how I guess there was usually only room for 0:14:14.040 --> 0:14:17.000 one black person in that room or whatever, and so 0:14:17.160 --> 0:14:20.880 that's just became something that became ingrained and then they've 0:14:21.280 --> 0:14:21.640 in not. 0:14:21.720 --> 0:14:24.360 Looking back and being like does this still serve me? 0:14:24.360 --> 0:14:26.920 We have this whole running analogy about like toolboxes, and 0:14:26.920 --> 0:14:28.520 it's like sometimes you also have to look in your 0:14:28.520 --> 0:14:30.800 toolbox and be like, Okay, this tool was necessary for 0:14:30.880 --> 0:14:31.400 this season. 0:14:31.760 --> 0:14:33.160 Is it going to serve me in this season? 0:14:33.200 --> 0:14:33.280 Like? 0:14:33.280 --> 0:14:34.400 Do I need to get rid of it? Do I 0:14:34.440 --> 0:14:36.040 need to upgrade it? What do I need to do? 0:14:36.280 --> 0:14:37.680 And so that's one of those things that we haven't 0:14:37.720 --> 0:14:40.120 examined to be like, Okay, there's a point in time 0:14:40.160 --> 0:14:42.760 that whereas like that's just how you had to survive 0:14:42.880 --> 0:14:45.760 and dive. But now that we're not in that environment, 0:14:45.840 --> 0:14:48.000 do I still need to be the only black person 0:14:48.040 --> 0:14:52.040 at a table in a conversation? Can I help someone else? 0:14:52.080 --> 0:14:55.040 Can I inact someone into this? So that's what I'd. 0:14:54.920 --> 0:14:59.000 Say, And I say that I don't want to just 0:14:59.000 --> 0:15:01.840 throw you into the to the lions Den, but I 0:15:01.920 --> 0:15:04.720 say that in the work you're doing and the way 0:15:04.800 --> 0:15:09.200 you're moving in this world, you are showing that actually, guys, 0:15:09.240 --> 0:15:11.320 we can collaborate, we can work together. 0:15:11.520 --> 0:15:13.440 And actually it works a lot better when you do. 0:15:13.640 --> 0:15:16.320 Like you know, so put us to you. I was 0:15:16.320 --> 0:15:18.640 bringing it back. I was just going to launch you 0:15:18.680 --> 0:15:22.200 after I was leaving. Not at all, Not at all. 0:15:22.400 --> 0:15:25.600 How supportive were your family and friends when you started 0:15:25.600 --> 0:15:28.120 your podcast or with any of your creative endeavors. 0:15:28.120 --> 0:15:29.320 How supportive of they being? 0:15:29.840 --> 0:15:31.760 Remember you had to ask how I started the podcast 0:15:31.760 --> 0:15:35.760 and twenty twenty it was a COVID. 0:15:35.760 --> 0:15:36.400 And then it died. 0:15:36.440 --> 0:15:38.640 It started twenty twenty, stayed in twenty twenty, and then 0:15:38.640 --> 0:15:40.320 my friends and family were like, when are you bringing 0:15:40.360 --> 0:15:41.160 the podcast back? 0:15:41.200 --> 0:15:43.200 When is it coming back? I was like, guys, it's 0:15:43.240 --> 0:15:45.200 not that simple. It's not that easy. 0:15:45.280 --> 0:15:48.760 It's a lot of word and I think I was 0:15:48.960 --> 0:15:51.440 unsure if my've I had become unsure of my voice 0:15:51.600 --> 0:15:55.200 in the process, and so it relaunched at the end 0:15:55.280 --> 0:16:00.360 of twenty twenty three. Actually, and I think I just 0:16:00.440 --> 0:16:02.200 knew a lot more about the direction I wanted to 0:16:02.200 --> 0:16:05.280 take it and in my voice. And so to answer 0:16:05.320 --> 0:16:07.680 your question, my friends and family were so supportive. My 0:16:07.760 --> 0:16:10.520 mom watches every like, now that we're on YouTube, she'll 0:16:10.520 --> 0:16:13.760 put it on the TV. My sister, my mom watched 0:16:15.160 --> 0:16:18.760 the podcast when I first started it. They were always 0:16:18.800 --> 0:16:20.840 the first ones to listen, or I'd let them listen 0:16:20.920 --> 0:16:24.640 before I had launched it, because I guess at the 0:16:24.680 --> 0:16:26.920 time the conversations that I was having in like the 0:16:26.960 --> 0:16:29.520 initial episodes, I was like, I want to make sure 0:16:29.560 --> 0:16:32.280 that you guys don't feel any type of way about it, 0:16:32.320 --> 0:16:35.680 because they were so raw and vulnerable. I didn't want 0:16:35.680 --> 0:16:37.920 people to approach them in the community and be like, 0:16:38.120 --> 0:16:40.760 do you know your daughter's talking about this. I wanted 0:16:40.760 --> 0:16:42.520 them to be able to stand tento's on the decision 0:16:42.560 --> 0:16:44.160 I had made and be like, no, we support her, 0:16:44.200 --> 0:16:44.800 we back her. 0:16:44.960 --> 0:16:47.320 Well, no, we don't agree, but that's fine, that's what 0:16:47.360 --> 0:16:47.920 she's doing. 0:16:48.480 --> 0:16:50.720 So they'd listen. They loved everything. It's not like I 0:16:50.760 --> 0:16:54.280 was having conversations we hadn't had. I always say my 0:16:54.360 --> 0:16:56.360 love for it started from the conversations we had at 0:16:56.400 --> 0:17:00.520 the dinner table because they're both mental health nurses, so yeah, 0:17:00.520 --> 0:17:02.360 they've all They are so supportive. 0:17:02.400 --> 0:17:03.600 My friends are so supportive. 0:17:03.640 --> 0:17:06.280 My last the event we did was such a success 0:17:06.560 --> 0:17:08.560 because my friends came and they ran with it, like 0:17:08.560 --> 0:17:10.680 I got to my own event forty five minutes before 0:17:10.720 --> 0:17:15.760 it started. Like they said, uh, they hosted everyone. So 0:17:15.960 --> 0:17:18.440 I've been so blessed with the great. 0:17:18.280 --> 0:17:22.280 Community and I know how un natural. It's so lucky 0:17:22.440 --> 0:17:24.199 my parents. It was just launched. 0:17:24.400 --> 0:17:28.639 Yeah, tell us more about those debate. Nice, you just 0:17:28.680 --> 0:17:32.840 spoke about hosting events. Tell us more about where did 0:17:32.880 --> 0:17:35.199 that come from? Sony wanted to do an event. I 0:17:35.240 --> 0:17:37.719 was like, what am I going to do? What do 0:17:37.800 --> 0:17:40.800 I feel like encompasses the brand? Well, the podcast is 0:17:40.800 --> 0:17:43.639 called undone. I'm like, more than a debate, Like it 0:17:43.680 --> 0:17:44.200 just makes sense. 0:17:44.240 --> 0:17:46.359 You get there, you hear people arguing, you leave with 0:17:46.400 --> 0:17:48.960 a different perspective like this makes sense. 0:17:48.960 --> 0:17:50.720 I'm like, well, what are we going to talk about? 0:17:51.800 --> 0:17:57.399 And specifically in community, I felt like our interaction with 0:17:57.440 --> 0:17:59.720 the justice system and the narrative, like when they talk 0:17:59.720 --> 0:18:01.680 about African gangs and stuff, a lot of that stuff 0:18:01.720 --> 0:18:04.840 is coming out of Victoria. Yeah, but that's broadcasted nationally 0:18:04.880 --> 0:18:07.720 when all the different things that they're talking about, and 0:18:07.760 --> 0:18:09.120 so I was like, I feel like that's an important 0:18:09.119 --> 0:18:11.720 conversation to have. The conversation ended up being a whole 0:18:11.760 --> 0:18:13.439 bunch of it became everything. 0:18:13.480 --> 0:18:14.080 Everyone was like. 0:18:14.000 --> 0:18:18.840 Anyway, now that we're here, and I was like, Okay, 0:18:18.920 --> 0:18:21.280 I see how they all connect into this affair. 0:18:22.680 --> 0:18:23.919 So yeah, that's what that was. 0:18:24.080 --> 0:18:26.320 The second one is coming up, or it might have 0:18:26.359 --> 0:18:29.359 come out to any with this year comes out, but 0:18:29.440 --> 0:18:32.399 it'll be a continuation of that convass of that the 0:18:32.440 --> 0:18:34.879 initial debate in the conversation that was had there, but 0:18:35.000 --> 0:18:38.840 less problems focus, the more solutions focused. So like okay, 0:18:38.880 --> 0:18:42.840 and the first debate it was raised about like economic 0:18:44.280 --> 0:18:46.840 like progress where we're at as a community in Australia 0:18:46.960 --> 0:18:49.960 where people are sitting what the disconnects between those who 0:18:50.080 --> 0:18:53.680 are like making it economically and how they then stop 0:18:53.720 --> 0:18:56.560 trying to help and work collaboratively with everyone else who 0:18:56.640 --> 0:18:59.919 might still be in like the house, like public housing, 0:19:00.000 --> 0:19:01.920 all that kind of stuff, like how do we make 0:19:01.960 --> 0:19:04.199 it better for everyone? It's like, okay, cool, that was 0:19:04.240 --> 0:19:06.480 brought up. What do we say is the way forward? 0:19:06.840 --> 0:19:08.960 Who is responsible for this? Are we saying that onness 0:19:09.000 --> 0:19:12.040 is on the government? Are we saying it's a community? Yes, 0:19:12.119 --> 0:19:13.560 it's gonna be very much more. 0:19:13.480 --> 0:19:17.800 Solutions, but wow, do you even start planning a debate? 0:19:19.200 --> 0:19:22.280 How do you how natural? 0:19:22.320 --> 0:19:25.360 I'm not sure, br because I mean, we we performed 0:19:25.400 --> 0:19:27.760 Live and Beyond the Valley, and as much as it 0:19:27.880 --> 0:19:29.480 was such a good experience and we love and we 0:19:29.560 --> 0:19:30.760 might even want to do more. 0:19:31.119 --> 0:19:33.160 There was a bit of like, oh my gosh, this is. 0:19:33.080 --> 0:19:37.920 So different, so different, and yeah, plan and to plan 0:19:38.080 --> 0:19:39.560 for something you can't plan, you know what I mean 0:19:40.040 --> 0:19:43.840 truly because they can't stop butting it like, let's rewind, 0:19:43.920 --> 0:19:44.680 let's cut that out. 0:19:45.800 --> 0:19:50.399 There's an audience. Yeah, let's cut that out. That's not 0:19:50.440 --> 0:19:53.040 what you put on the internet. People know. Yeah on 0:19:53.119 --> 0:19:53.520 the day. 0:19:53.640 --> 0:19:55.920 Yeah, but where did I start? I didn't know where 0:19:55.920 --> 0:19:58.119 I started. I did it without money, either because I 0:19:58.119 --> 0:19:59.840 thought I was going to get a grant or something 0:20:00.160 --> 0:20:01.280 gonna like I was going to play. 0:20:01.440 --> 0:20:01.520 No. 0:20:01.720 --> 0:20:03.720