Speaker 1: How do you think we do as zimbabwins in building
Speaker 1: community and supporting each other.
Speaker 2: Way that we're like programmed where there is a competitiveness,
Speaker 2: like there's only room for one person. You have migration trauma.
Speaker 2: I have migration trauma. It's affecting how we're relating in
Speaker 2: the household, how we're relating in community workspaces.
Speaker 3: All that kind of stuff. But we're not having the conversation.
Speaker 4: Even though we can watch like twenty rom coms with
Speaker 4: twenty different white chicks for us to take that one actress.
Speaker 3: You know that we all know that one musician. We
Speaker 3: all know.
Speaker 5: I'm always always be careful.
Speaker 3: Love those Hi. I'm Amanda and I'm Rumbi. Welcome to
Speaker 3: It's Layered Podcasts.
Speaker 1: We're a part of the Black Past Network powered by
Speaker 1: iHeart and today we're recording in studio in Melbourne.
Speaker 4: You're at the beautiful Bittersweet studio set up by Pink
Speaker 4: Lady Picnics. We have such an amazing episode for you
Speaker 4: guys with someone really excited about a fellow Zimbabie.
Speaker 1: Okay, we're gonna give a brief bio and then we're
Speaker 1: gonna let you guys get to know why we're so
Speaker 1: excited to have Kudzai here of undone the podcast, Come
Speaker 1: on kud Zaid no nah. It's a mental health advocate,
Speaker 1: podcast host and public health professional passionate about fostering meaningful
Speaker 1: conversations and driving positive change within the African diaspora.
Speaker 3: We're all about that, you know that.
Speaker 1: Originally from Zimbabwe, becuz I's migration journey to England and
Speaker 1: later to Australia has deeply informed her perspectives on mental health, migration,
Speaker 1: trauma OOH, and the importance of culturally sensitive support systems.
Speaker 4: Her work highlights the importance of representation, collaboration like what
Speaker 4: we're doing today in addressing mental health challenges within migrant
Speaker 4: and refugee communities, whether through her podcast and done the podcast,
Speaker 4: community initiatives, or public speaking. Because Thi's mission is to
Speaker 4: build bridges, challenge stigmas, and uplift the voices of those
Speaker 4: often overlooked.
Speaker 3: Welcome to the podcast. Not your bio makes it feel like,
Speaker 3: you know, around this world, I listening to us like.
Speaker 4: Chiud of you because wow, wow, wow, thank you, thank you.
Speaker 3: I'm doing the things grinding.
Speaker 2: Already for myself, but for real we really.
Speaker 1: Because you know, the theme of the season. Season six
Speaker 1: is really a love letter to women women of color,
Speaker 1: just because I think sometimes life's so hard, like we're
Speaker 1: just going hard, hard, hard, and we need to take
Speaker 1: a setback. And I think through your work, through your podcast,
Speaker 1: you're really shining a light on some of the things
Speaker 1: we go through. And we'd love to learn a little
Speaker 1: bit more about how you would describe your podcast and
Speaker 1: how you got into it, Like when were you like,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm I actually go on pressplate, I.
Speaker 2: Do it, Okay, So I describe it as it's like
Speaker 2: a mental health podcast, I guess, but the conversations are
Speaker 2: very like the tagline is holistic and intergenerational conversations, so
Speaker 2: like holistic in the sense that yes, sometimes we will
Speaker 2: talk about like substance use and like depression therapy all
Speaker 2: that kind of stuff, but then other times, like there's
Speaker 2: one podcast episode I was thinking about today, I was like,
Speaker 2: I want to listen to that again because.
Speaker 3: It makes me feel so smart to listen to it,
Speaker 3: where my friend.
Speaker 2: And I talked about how as people of color and
Speaker 2: like Africans in the diaspora, sometimes engaging with what's social
Speaker 2: media activism can be really complicated. And such a like
Speaker 2: difficult field to navigate because it's like every day I'm
Speaker 2: showing up at work, I'm showing up in all these
Speaker 2: different spaces. I'm already all that. Yeah, and then now
Speaker 2: I have to be like an activist on social media too,
Speaker 2: so people believe I'm about what I'm about, Like this
Speaker 2: is a lot.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I love that episode.
Speaker 2: She's so intelligent and so smart and I've just spent
Speaker 2: the whole episode just listening to her. So like that's
Speaker 2: another way that we discuss like mental health in like
Speaker 2: a general like what does it look like day to day?
Speaker 3: Not just very clinical.
Speaker 2: And then intergenerational because I've been blessed with a community
Speaker 2: of old people who love talking about this kind of stuff,
Speaker 2: well versed in this kind of stuff, and I think
Speaker 2: those conversations are important because there often is a disconnect
Speaker 2: between I guess the younger generation and the older people.
Speaker 2: And in like your migration, you have migration trauma, I
Speaker 2: have migration trauma. It's affecting how we're relating in the household,
Speaker 2: how we're relating in community workspaces, all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 3: But we're not having the conversations like yeah, or if
Speaker 3: we are having the conversations. It's like, but yeah, but
Speaker 3: what's your problem. You grew up here, you have it's
Speaker 3: so easy. You didn't have to get it there, Like
Speaker 3: you shouldn't be depressed. It's like, okay, it's not that easy.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, So for you it was quite important to documents, right, Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: I think that's what it was in the new season.
Speaker 2: I don't really have official seasons kind of vibes, but
Speaker 2: I keep talking about how I think the African Australian
Speaker 2: community is a young diaspora community and we have the
Speaker 2: privilege of being able to learn from America and the
Speaker 2: UK and kind of taking what's worked for them hasn't
Speaker 2: worked for them, but also understanding that we're our own community,
Speaker 2: we're our own makeup. People have migrated here under different
Speaker 2: circumstances to both of those communities, and so we're like
Speaker 2: in the building stage, yeah, and so getting to be
Speaker 2: a part of that and I guess documenting what that
Speaker 2: looks like and how we move forward and people who
Speaker 2: Another big thing is like spotlighting people who are doing
Speaker 2: amazing work within the community, where I'm like, look, we
Speaker 2: have some really dope African Australians, Like did you know
Speaker 2: about this most so yeah, yeah, and I love that,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 4: And it's so funny because the other day Rumbia and
Speaker 4: I went out and it was like I'm a piano
Speaker 4: afrobeat situation and I was like, she was like, oh
Speaker 4: my gosh, you known Prague still budding if at all?
Speaker 4: And I was like, girl, first it was not like
Speaker 4: this when I say, and then now to see the
Speaker 4: journey and now it's the norm because you said oversaturated
Speaker 4: and now we're like, which one do you go to?
Speaker 3: I don't feel like it. Yeah, you know, so there
Speaker 3: is we do get.
Speaker 4: To a certain destination, but it is intentional work. And
Speaker 4: I think like when people were coming over and bring
Speaker 4: our music and our culture and our and like now
Speaker 4: we're reeping the benefits.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 1: So I agree with you that collaboration is important to you,
Speaker 1: especially like I guess from my lens where I'm coming
Speaker 1: from Prague, it's like also talking to each other and
Speaker 1: working with each other and engaging each other. Sometimes I
Speaker 1: feel it can be very siloed. And I saw that
Speaker 1: when you know, the war in Ukraine started and we're
Speaker 1: trying to help Africans, do you don't get out and
Speaker 1: Africans was stuck in Ukraine and it was very much
Speaker 1: like there wasn't really a like we weren't uniting, And
Speaker 1: so I think it's gonna it takes that kind of
Speaker 1: collaboration and working together to me, because why do you.
Speaker 4: Think it's difficult for us to build community, especially as
Speaker 4: people of color?
Speaker 5: Oh, asking the questions, I think, Oh, what would I say?
Speaker 5: I think there's a lot of preconceived notions that we
Speaker 5: have about each other. Tribalism is huge, and then now
Speaker 5: you're thinking about like even in terms of countries and
Speaker 5: like how that plays into it.
Speaker 2: So I think that definitely plays a part. I also
Speaker 2: think like we're just trying to survive half the time,
Speaker 2: Like people are just trying to make money, go to work,
Speaker 2: look after relatives back home. But that's what they're doing.
Speaker 2: Like people are trying to survive. So then does the
Speaker 2: whole as well as hierarchy if needs like you're just
Speaker 2: trying to take care of your basically before you get
Speaker 2: to this other stuff like community.
Speaker 3: Like what what?
Speaker 2: But not realizing that community also is very important and
Speaker 2: it helps you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, For me, when I watched the documentary on the
Speaker 1: Blue Zones and how and I read Ikey Guy a
Speaker 1: book around you know, essentially having a whole and fulfilled life.
Speaker 1: It talks about how integral community is. And you know,
Speaker 1: we grew up where it was naturally a thing. We
Speaker 1: had community, right you go Kumusha, you'd see grandparents, you
Speaker 1: see your cousins. And then as we've dispersed and become
Speaker 1: the daspora and gone to different places, it's less of that. Right,
Speaker 1: But you have to be intentional about building community because
Speaker 1: what you know, the documentary and the book highlighted was
Speaker 1: that that is how you live well and longer because
Speaker 1: these older people in these blue zones have like friends
Speaker 1: that they can depend on, who support them, who all
Speaker 1: this thing. And it's like, wow, we should not underestimate that,
Speaker 1: like it really helps you live a life of longevity.
Speaker 2: So so we don't come from like individualistic culture, like
Speaker 2: that's not that's not what the norm was like even
Speaker 2: when we lived in UK. I remember my parents would
Speaker 2: be like, anyway, you're going to your grandmars or school holidays,
Speaker 2: by you're going to this antipot becausin the school holidays
Speaker 2: will see.
Speaker 3: You when you get back, Like that was the vibe.
Speaker 2: And then now you come here and I'm like, oh,
Speaker 2: I have like one cousin here, like.
Speaker 1: How messed do you think we can build community as
Speaker 1: especially creatives. So we had the privilege of being on
Speaker 1: undone the podcast Amanda, and I think we both left
Speaker 1: that recording feeling like, Wow, you are such a great.
Speaker 3: Communicator.
Speaker 1: You are inquisitive, you are empathetic, and you go there
Speaker 1: because we talked about things we spoken them up before,
Speaker 1: but from a different lens, and then other aspects you
Speaker 1: managed to bring up.
Speaker 3: So you're clearly very good at this. This is basically
Speaker 3: what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: You wait out for this episode, but could you tell us,
Speaker 1: like how you've gone about it or how you think
Speaker 1: the best way to go about building community as creatives.
Speaker 2: Those I think it starts with understanding that you have
Speaker 2: your audience and you have your people, so don't like
Speaker 2: I think there's like a poverty mindset, especially in the
Speaker 2: creative space, where people like, no, we can't collaborate, No
Speaker 2: we can't do this, No I can't promote that because
Speaker 2: then like I won't have people or you're gonna And
Speaker 2: I was like, no, everyone, even if we are doing
Speaker 2: the same thing, like well, also girls doing podcast about things,
Speaker 2: but we have different audiences, we do it in different ways,
Speaker 2: like there's enough food at the table.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I think.
Speaker 2: It's starting with not thinking that there's like limited resources
Speaker 2: and like audience out there. And also I've always been
Speaker 2: like a fangirl, like that's my thing. I cheerlead everyone
Speaker 2: like I'm just like so supportive, And I think that
Speaker 2: makes a huge difference because the people who are usually
Speaker 2: going to creative fields usually our overthinker.
Speaker 3: Is really critical the whole thing.
Speaker 2: And so if you're able to see something that someone
Speaker 2: is doing and they're doing it well and you point
Speaker 2: that out and you celebrate them, like they're like, oh,
Speaker 2: like people know that You're really like you see me,
Speaker 2: you see me like doing what I'm doing, and it's like, oh,
Speaker 2: now I see you, and then yeah, you kind of
Speaker 2: find your people.
Speaker 4: I think the tokenism thing is real. Like people we
Speaker 4: probably grew up in communities were it was like, ah,
Speaker 4: that one is the thinger that one, yeah, and then
Speaker 4: no one else. Right, And even though we can watch
Speaker 4: like twenty rom coms with twenty different white chicks, for us,
Speaker 4: it's like that one actress you know that we all know,
Speaker 4: that one musician we all know. So I think our
Speaker 4: generation has really pushed against that. Yeah, and we want
Speaker 4: variety and even yes, if you're talking about the exact
Speaker 4: same topics, but you're going to do them naturally, going
Speaker 4: to do them in different ways. So even with us
Speaker 4: like you reaching out, us reaching out to you, it's
Speaker 4: been such a beautiful thing for us as well, because
Speaker 4: it's like, you know, we really do have a community,
Speaker 4: and we need to. Even coming into Bittersweed Studio, the
Speaker 4: amount of other people guests we had, we were like,
Speaker 4: oh my gosh, think of Bittersweet studios when I think
Speaker 4: of studios. So it's like that, right, you're throwing your
Speaker 4: name in the ring. And also you don't know where
Speaker 4: we wish rooms. We will enter which rooms you will,
Speaker 4: And so for a community, we can always be like,
Speaker 4: oh that job is not really for me, but I
Speaker 4: know someone else. You know, that's how the white folks
Speaker 4: do literally thousand like why can't we just do this
Speaker 4: people baby thing?
Speaker 2: It's not you guys know, people stay helping each other,
Speaker 2: like I might not be the best person, but I
Speaker 2: know we posted you have something someone lady, Yeah, but
Speaker 2: I think, yeah, it's just like a weird things like no,
Speaker 2: and then we get so stingy, like it's like, no,
Speaker 2: I'll do it even if you can't do it to
Speaker 2: the best of your ability, if you know you can
Speaker 2: do it, but it's someone who can do it better,
Speaker 2: just letting.
Speaker 3: You. That's what I was saying.
Speaker 1: That's what I always I want to just latch onto that
Speaker 1: and say, how do you think we do as Zimbabweins
Speaker 1: in building community and supporting each other.
Speaker 3: You've got the mic. You're so rude for that.
Speaker 2: That's just like, I don't know what you want to take.
Speaker 3: Please, so sticky one. I'm like, how do I keep
Speaker 3: it politically correct?
Speaker 6: In my experience, that's a great place to start in
Speaker 6: my experience former time. In my experience, I don't know
Speaker 6: if it's like a societal cultural like way that we're
Speaker 6: like programmed where there is a competitiveness like there's only
Speaker 6: room for one person at the table, like there's only
Speaker 6: room for and I think we haven't always been good
Speaker 6: at collaboration to take it there and make it deeper,
Speaker 6: because you know, my.
Speaker 3: That's what's up.
Speaker 2: We have to consider like the I guess the societal
Speaker 2: and economic landscape that our parents were growing up in
Speaker 2: and how I guess there was usually only room for
Speaker 2: one black person in that room or whatever, and so
Speaker 2: that's just became something that became ingrained and then they've
Speaker 2: in not.
Speaker 3: Looking back and being like does this still serve me?
Speaker 2: We have this whole running analogy about like toolboxes, and
Speaker 2: it's like sometimes you also have to look in your
Speaker 2: toolbox and be like, Okay, this tool was necessary for
Speaker 2: this season.
Speaker 3: Is it going to serve me in this season?
Speaker 7: Like?
Speaker 3: Do I need to get rid of it? Do I
Speaker 3: need to upgrade it? What do I need to do?
Speaker 2: And so that's one of those things that we haven't
Speaker 2: examined to be like, Okay, there's a point in time
Speaker 2: that whereas like that's just how you had to survive
Speaker 2: and dive. But now that we're not in that environment,
Speaker 2: do I still need to be the only black person
Speaker 2: at a table in a conversation? Can I help someone else?
Speaker 2: Can I inact someone into this? So that's what I'd.
Speaker 7: Say, And I say that I don't want to just
Speaker 7: throw you into the to the lions Den, but I
Speaker 7: say that in the work you're doing and the way
Speaker 7: you're moving in this world, you are showing that actually, guys,
Speaker 7: we can collaborate, we can work together.
Speaker 1: And actually it works a lot better when you do.
Speaker 3: Like you know, so put us to you. I was
Speaker 3: bringing it back. I was just going to launch you
Speaker 3: after I was leaving. Not at all, Not at all.
Speaker 4: How supportive were your family and friends when you started
Speaker 4: your podcast or with any of your creative endeavors.
Speaker 3: How supportive of they being?
Speaker 2: Remember you had to ask how I started the podcast
Speaker 2: and twenty twenty it was a COVID.
Speaker 3: And then it died.
Speaker 2: It started twenty twenty, stayed in twenty twenty, and then
Speaker 2: my friends and family were like, when are you bringing
Speaker 2: the podcast back?
Speaker 3: When is it coming back? I was like, guys, it's
Speaker 3: not that simple. It's not that easy.
Speaker 2: It's a lot of word and I think I was
Speaker 2: unsure if my've I had become unsure of my voice
Speaker 2: in the process, and so it relaunched at the end
Speaker 2: of twenty twenty three. Actually, and I think I just
Speaker 2: knew a lot more about the direction I wanted to
Speaker 2: take it and in my voice. And so to answer
Speaker 2: your question, my friends and family were so supportive. My
Speaker 2: mom watches every like, now that we're on YouTube, she'll
Speaker 2: put it on the TV. My sister, my mom watched
Speaker 2: the podcast when I first started it. They were always
Speaker 2: the first ones to listen, or I'd let them listen
Speaker 2: before I had launched it, because I guess at the
Speaker 2: time the conversations that I was having in like the
Speaker 2: initial episodes, I was like, I want to make sure
Speaker 2: that you guys don't feel any type of way about it,
Speaker 2: because they were so raw and vulnerable. I didn't want
Speaker 2: people to approach them in the community and be like,
Speaker 2: do you know your daughter's talking about this. I wanted
Speaker 2: them to be able to stand tento's on the decision
Speaker 2: I had made and be like, no, we support her,
Speaker 2: we back her.
Speaker 3: Well, no, we don't agree, but that's fine, that's what
Speaker 3: she's doing.
Speaker 2: So they'd listen. They loved everything. It's not like I
Speaker 2: was having conversations we hadn't had. I always say my
Speaker 2: love for it started from the conversations we had at
Speaker 2: the dinner table because they're both mental health nurses, so yeah,
Speaker 2: they've all They are so supportive.
Speaker 3: My friends are so supportive.
Speaker 2: My last the event we did was such a success
Speaker 2: because my friends came and they ran with it, like
Speaker 2: I got to my own event forty five minutes before
Speaker 2: it started. Like they said, uh, they hosted everyone. So
Speaker 2: I've been so blessed with the great.
Speaker 3: Community and I know how un natural. It's so lucky
Speaker 3: my parents. It was just launched.
Speaker 4: Yeah, tell us more about those debate. Nice, you just
Speaker 4: spoke about hosting events. Tell us more about where did
Speaker 4: that come from? Sony wanted to do an event. I
Speaker 4: was like, what am I going to do? What do
Speaker 4: I feel like encompasses the brand? Well, the podcast is
Speaker 4: called undone. I'm like, more than a debate, Like it
Speaker 4: just makes sense.
Speaker 2: You get there, you hear people arguing, you leave with
Speaker 2: a different perspective like this makes sense.
Speaker 3: I'm like, well, what are we going to talk about?
Speaker 2: And specifically in community, I felt like our interaction with
Speaker 2: the justice system and the narrative, like when they talk
Speaker 2: about African gangs and stuff, a lot of that stuff
Speaker 2: is coming out of Victoria. Yeah, but that's broadcasted nationally
Speaker 2: when all the different things that they're talking about, and
Speaker 2: so I was like, I feel like that's an important
Speaker 2: conversation to have. The conversation ended up being a whole
Speaker 2: bunch of it became everything.
Speaker 3: Everyone was like.
Speaker 2: Anyway, now that we're here, and I was like, Okay,
Speaker 2: I see how they all connect into this affair.
Speaker 3: So yeah, that's what that was.
Speaker 2: The second one is coming up, or it might have
Speaker 2: come out to any with this year comes out, but
Speaker 2: it'll be a continuation of that convass of that the
Speaker 2: initial debate in the conversation that was had there, but
Speaker 2: less problems focus, the more solutions focused. So like okay,
Speaker 2: and the first debate it was raised about like economic
Speaker 2: like progress where we're at as a community in Australia
Speaker 2: where people are sitting what the disconnects between those who
Speaker 2: are like making it economically and how they then stop
Speaker 2: trying to help and work collaboratively with everyone else who
Speaker 2: might still be in like the house, like public housing,
Speaker 2: all that kind of stuff, like how do we make
Speaker 2: it better for everyone? It's like, okay, cool, that was
Speaker 2: brought up. What do we say is the way forward?
Speaker 2: Who is responsible for this? Are we saying that onness
Speaker 2: is on the government? Are we saying it's a community? Yes,
Speaker 2: it's gonna be very much more.
Speaker 4: Solutions, but wow, do you even start planning a debate?
Speaker 3: How do you how natural?
Speaker 4: I'm not sure, br because I mean, we we performed
Speaker 4: Live and Beyond the Valley, and as much as it
Speaker 4: was such a good experience and we love and we
Speaker 4: might even want to do more.
Speaker 3: There was a bit of like, oh my gosh, this is.
Speaker 4: So different, so different, and yeah, plan and to plan
Speaker 4: for something you can't plan, you know what I mean
Speaker 4: truly because they can't stop butting it like, let's rewind,
Speaker 4: let's cut that out.
Speaker 3: There's an audience. Yeah, let's cut that out. That's not
Speaker 3: what you put on the internet. People know. Yeah on
Speaker 3: the day.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but where did I start? I didn't know where
Speaker 2: I started. I did it without money, either because I
Speaker 2: thought I was going to get a grant or something
Speaker 2: gonna like I was going to play.
Speaker 4: No.
Speaker 3: I was like, okay, cool, so I still want to
Speaker 3: do this. How are we going to do it? I
Speaker 3: just did it.
Speaker 2: I started with the venue we use, a bittersweet studious,
Speaker 2: and yeah, everything else kind of fell into place. I
Speaker 2: think I knew the kind of conversation I wanted, so
Speaker 2: I was curating everything around that. Same with this time around,
Speaker 2: We've gone for a bigger venue, which I think is
Speaker 2: I feel so crazy. I'm like, I think I'm we're
Speaker 2: aiming for a hundred Wow, that's a small wedding. Am
Speaker 2: I doing planning a small wedding, but yeah, I know
Speaker 2: the kind of conversation I want to have, So everything
Speaker 2: gets curated around that, like what kind of space allows
Speaker 2: us to have that conversation where it doesn't feel like
Speaker 2: you're watching Q and A on TV. So Bittersweet was
Speaker 2: like everyone said, it felt intimate, it felt like you
Speaker 2: were engaged, you could be. So I was like, okay,
Speaker 2: I want to keep that same feeling. And then even
Speaker 2: with panelists like I knew people, but I was like, again,
Speaker 2: I know how I want the conversation to feel. I
Speaker 2: can't predict what the conversation is going to be, but
Speaker 2: I know how I wanted to feel. So I was
Speaker 2: like thinking, Okay, what personalities do I.
Speaker 3: Think went well together?
Speaker 2: And then honestly the rest I loved it and'ttinue my guys,
Speaker 2: And see, I.
Speaker 3: Have to give you kudos.
Speaker 4: I think a lot of people think podcasting, debating life
Speaker 4: for whatever it is, is easy. They see't think, oh yeah,
Speaker 4: I can know that you know and you know. But
Speaker 4: I think kudos to you even the way you answered
Speaker 4: and you said I just I just did it. But
Speaker 4: it's not There is lots of blood, sweat and tea
Speaker 4: and fellow creatives can certainly understand and appreciate, and when
Speaker 4: we bring those content to you and for you, please
Speaker 4: know that it's come from a place for yeah, sleepless
Speaker 4: nights and yeah, thinking and reading. So kudos for pushing
Speaker 4: past you know. Can't wait for the second one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I wanted to ask you because we're talking about
Speaker 1: building community, yes, And I think we touched on it
Speaker 1: a little bit when we had our Zoom call prior
Speaker 1: to you know, when we're planning all this.
Speaker 3: Building community in the sense.
Speaker 1: Of creating friendships in adulthood, and I think we just like.
Speaker 3: Lightly, I would love for you because you just.
Speaker 1: Have such an infectious energy about you and you just
Speaker 1: have like a radiating light and positivity honestly, and even
Speaker 1: as you spoke about you know, you had these conversations
Speaker 1: with your parents at the dinner table before you which
Speaker 1: ended up in being the root for your podcast, I
Speaker 1: was like, wow, Like that takes a certain type of
Speaker 1: family upbringing which we didn't always have. And then like
Speaker 1: seeing you, like how do you move and create friendships
Speaker 1: and connections at this age because that's something that people
Speaker 1: often talk about how hard it is, you know, to
Speaker 1: do that at this age, especially when you're moving around exactly.
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2: So I grew up in like regional Queensland, Okay, growing up,
Speaker 2: we left UK. I came here when I started high school.
Speaker 2: So I grew up in a regional Queensland. The African
Speaker 2: community was small, it was tight knit. So I went
Speaker 2: from like my family community to another community that it
Speaker 2: was really opening, was really open and welcoming, and that
Speaker 2: community is still to this day so supportive, so loving.
Speaker 3: Like we all kind of say we grew up.
Speaker 2: Together, like all the kids like you, We all just
Speaker 2: know each other. So I think there's always been that
Speaker 2: theme of knowing the importance of community and what community
Speaker 2: can do and how community can show up for you,
Speaker 2: the my parents' friends, and then I guess our family,
Speaker 2: because we're all somehow involved with mental health. However, we're
Speaker 2: all on this journey of healing, and so I think
Speaker 2: I've learned that yes, we can get wounded in communities,
Speaker 2: but we also get healed in community and when the
Speaker 2: community is healing as well, bars which I think is
Speaker 2: part of why the podcast was started. So I'm like, Okay,
Speaker 2: I know the important of community, and I like this
Speaker 2: is something that is a core value for me. Like,
Speaker 2: I want to be a part of community. Who am
Speaker 2: I letting into my community? Who am I letting be
Speaker 2: a part of my world? So I had friends, I
Speaker 2: had a core group of friends. I still have friends.
Speaker 2: Sorry still the same person said no, if we didn't
Speaker 2: cut them off, I still have the friends.
Speaker 3: But then I moved to Melbourne. I literally remember praying.
Speaker 2: I was like, God, give me the heart to want
Speaker 2: to make new friends because I'm good like long distance.
Speaker 2: I need to focus on how to be a long
Speaker 2: distance sister daughter this friend, Like, I don't want to
Speaker 2: be making new friends, but I also know I need
Speaker 2: on the ground community, So like, how do I go
Speaker 2: about that? And then I came here and I think
Speaker 2: it was just it's not always easy, But I think
Speaker 2: it was easy because I knew like a couple people,
Speaker 2: and I was just going to spaces that I enjoyed,
Speaker 2: Like I enjoyed poetry, I enjoyed community events, I enjoyed
Speaker 2: music stuff.
Speaker 3: I would go there.
Speaker 2: After a while, you kind of end up seeing the
Speaker 2: same people and of the vibe vibe with him.
Speaker 3: Yeah, although the ones who were closest to me.
Speaker 2: Yes, I think you guys are going to interviewed her later,
Speaker 2: I remember we met at an event and she was like,
Speaker 2: I've seen you before.
Speaker 3: I was like, no, I'm literally two months into living
Speaker 3: in Melbourne. You have not seen me. And then we
Speaker 3: hung out that night. We're like at an art being exhibition.
Speaker 3: And then at the end of the night she was like,
Speaker 3: we're going to be friends, and I was like, I
Speaker 3: don't except your much not to say the same thing.
Speaker 3: And we've been friends ever since. So I don't know.
Speaker 2: I kind of feel like if vibe attracted your tribe,
Speaker 2: but I also feel like, I guess that might be
Speaker 2: like a cop out, but.
Speaker 3: No, it's true.
Speaker 1: And I think if you're open, I think if you're
Speaker 1: like there's no one here, I'll never you never.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: And and interest based too, you know you have that
Speaker 4: is your foundation takes notes.
Speaker 3: Thank you very much.
Speaker 1: So as we wrap this beautiful time up with you,
Speaker 1: any I mean, you've already talked about this debate coming up,
Speaker 1: but upcoming projects for twenty twenty five that you want
Speaker 1: to share, share about your podcast where people can find
Speaker 1: it all the good pleased you know, all the good stuff.
Speaker 3: Let us know. Okay, Yeah, there is the debate that's
Speaker 3: coming up.
Speaker 2: Every twenty seconds, I have a couple other stuff in
Speaker 2: the works, but nothing is like set it deep.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't even those people that moves in silence.
Speaker 2: If you put money in my account, I can tell
Speaker 2: you because now the dream can become a reality fact
Speaker 2: I should be sharing. Yeah, I'm like, I'm dreaming, but
Speaker 2: I can't share anything because I don't have the money
Speaker 2: in my count I will let you know.
Speaker 3: What we're working on like that.
Speaker 4: But what about the first debate If people want to
Speaker 4: like wrap their heads around that before the second debate,
Speaker 4: where could they? Yes, so we are on Spotify and
Speaker 4: Apple podcasts, and I think yeah because YouTube and Google
Speaker 4: became the same thing as Undone the podcast on Instagram,
Speaker 4: as undone the podcast.
Speaker 3: On our YouTube.
Speaker 2: We have like a seven minute trailer of like some
Speaker 2: of the what I thought were like highlights from the
Speaker 2: last debate of things that were said. And then we
Speaker 2: also have like for audio like start to finish. We
Speaker 2: didn't cut anything out, nothing else, so like we had
Speaker 2: audience participation.
Speaker 3: We had and it got heated at some point like
Speaker 3: ran it raw.
Speaker 1: So yeah, well, thank you so so much for coming
Speaker 1: over and spending time with us. Thank you for the
Speaker 1: love and like you know, We thoroughly enjoyed being on
Speaker 1: your podcast, so please listen out. If it's not out already,
Speaker 1: listen look out for it because we had we had
Speaker 1: a time. Okay, we had a time. And that is
Speaker 1: it for another episode.
Speaker 3: Of It's later.
Speaker 4: Yeah, thanks for coming you, like really, it's like your energy,
Speaker 4: your vibe. It is very infectious and I think just
Speaker 4: keep doing what you're doing. The bank account will will
Speaker 4: fill out.
Speaker 3: Equivalent. Okay, yeah, been more equivalent.
Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you so much.
Speaker 3: Don't catch you soon. Good Bye,