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Speaker 1: How do you think we do as zimbabwins in building

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Speaker 2: Way that we're like programmed where there is a competitiveness,

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Speaker 2: like there's only room for one person. You have migration trauma.

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Speaker 3: All that kind of stuff. But we're not having the conversation.

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Speaker 4: Even though we can watch like twenty rom coms with

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Speaker 3: You know that we all know that one musician. We

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Speaker 5: I'm always always be careful.

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Speaker 3: Love those Hi. I'm Amanda and I'm Rumbi. Welcome to

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Speaker 3: It's Layered Podcasts.

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Speaker 1: We're a part of the Black Past Network powered by

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Speaker 1: iHeart and today we're recording in studio in Melbourne.

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Speaker 4: You're at the beautiful Bittersweet studio set up by Pink

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Speaker 4: Lady Picnics. We have such an amazing episode for you

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Speaker 4: guys with someone really excited about a fellow Zimbabie.

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Speaker 1: Okay, we're gonna give a brief bio and then we're

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Speaker 1: gonna let you guys get to know why we're so

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Speaker 1: excited to have Kudzai here of undone the podcast, Come

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Speaker 1: on kud Zaid no nah. It's a mental health advocate,

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Speaker 1: podcast host and public health professional passionate about fostering meaningful

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Speaker 1: conversations and driving positive change within the African diaspora.

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Speaker 3: We're all about that, you know that.

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Speaker 1: Originally from Zimbabwe, becuz I's migration journey to England and

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Speaker 1: later to Australia has deeply informed her perspectives on mental health, migration,

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Speaker 4: Her work highlights the importance of representation, collaboration like what

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Speaker 4: we're doing today in addressing mental health challenges within migrant

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Speaker 4: and refugee communities, whether through her podcast and done the podcast,

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Speaker 4: community initiatives, or public speaking. Because Thi's mission is to

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Speaker 3: Welcome to the podcast. Not your bio makes it feel like,

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Speaker 3: you know, around this world, I listening to us like.

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Speaker 4: Chiud of you because wow, wow, wow, thank you, thank you.

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Speaker 3: I'm doing the things grinding.

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Speaker 2: Already for myself, but for real we really.

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Speaker 1: Because you know, the theme of the season. Season six

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Speaker 1: is really a love letter to women women of color,

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Speaker 1: just because I think sometimes life's so hard, like we're

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Speaker 1: just going hard, hard, hard, and we need to take

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Speaker 1: a setback. And I think through your work, through your podcast,

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Speaker 1: how you got into it, Like when were you like,

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Speaker 1: you know what I'm I actually go on pressplate, I.

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Speaker 2: Do it, Okay, So I describe it as it's like

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Speaker 2: a mental health podcast, I guess, but the conversations are

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Speaker 2: one podcast episode I was thinking about today, I was like,

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Speaker 3: It makes me feel so smart to listen to it,

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Speaker 1: So I agree with you that collaboration is important to you,

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Speaker 4: Think it's difficult for us to build community, especially as

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Speaker 2: And then honestly the rest I loved it and'ttinue my guys,

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Speaker 3: Have to give you kudos.

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Speaker 4: I think a lot of people think podcasting, debating life

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Speaker 4: past you know. Can't wait for the second one.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I wanted to ask you because we're talking about

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Speaker 1: building community, yes, And I think we touched on it

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Speaker 1: a little bit when we had our Zoom call prior

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Speaker 1: to you know, when we're planning all this.

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Speaker 3: Building community in the sense.

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Speaker 1: Of creating friendships in adulthood, and I think we just like.

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Speaker 3: Lightly, I would love for you because you just.

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Speaker 1: Have such an infectious energy about you and you just

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Speaker 1: have like a radiating light and positivity honestly, and even

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Speaker 1: as you spoke about you know, you had these conversations

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Speaker 1: with your parents at the dinner table before you which

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Speaker 1: ended up in being the root for your podcast, I

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Speaker 1: was like, wow, Like that takes a certain type of

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Speaker 1: family upbringing which we didn't always have. And then like

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Speaker 1: seeing you, like how do you move and create friendships

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Speaker 1: and connections at this age because that's something that people

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Speaker 1: often talk about how hard it is, you know, to

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Speaker 1: do that at this age, especially when you're moving around exactly.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 2: So I grew up in like regional Queensland, Okay, growing up,

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Speaker 2: we left UK. I came here when I started high school.

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Speaker 2: So I grew up in a regional Queensland. The African

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Speaker 2: community was small, it was tight knit. So I went

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Speaker 2: from like my family community to another community that it

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Speaker 2: was really opening, was really open and welcoming, and that

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Speaker 2: community is still to this day so supportive, so loving.

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Speaker 3: Like we all kind of say we grew up.

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Speaker 2: Together, like all the kids like you, We all just

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Speaker 2: know each other. So I think there's always been that

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Speaker 2: theme of knowing the importance of community and what community

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Speaker 2: can do and how community can show up for you,

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Speaker 2: the my parents' friends, and then I guess our family,

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Speaker 2: because we're all somehow involved with mental health. However, we're

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Speaker 2: all on this journey of healing, and so I think

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Speaker 2: I've learned that yes, we can get wounded in communities,

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Speaker 2: but we also get healed in community and when the

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Speaker 2: community is healing as well, bars which I think is

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Speaker 2: part of why the podcast was started. So I'm like, Okay,

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Speaker 2: I know the important of community, and I like this

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Speaker 2: is something that is a core value for me. Like,

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Speaker 2: I want to be a part of community. Who am

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Speaker 2: I letting into my community? Who am I letting be

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Speaker 2: a part of my world? So I had friends, I

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Speaker 2: had a core group of friends. I still have friends.

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Speaker 2: Sorry still the same person said no, if we didn't

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Speaker 2: cut them off, I still have the friends.

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Speaker 3: But then I moved to Melbourne. I literally remember praying.

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Speaker 2: I was like, God, give me the heart to want

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Speaker 2: to make new friends because I'm good like long distance.

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Speaker 2: I need to focus on how to be a long

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Speaker 2: distance sister daughter this friend, Like, I don't want to

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Speaker 2: be making new friends, but I also know I need

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Speaker 2: on the ground community, So like, how do I go

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Speaker 2: about that? And then I came here and I think

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Speaker 2: it was just it's not always easy, But I think

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Speaker 2: it was easy because I knew like a couple people,

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Speaker 2: and I was just going to spaces that I enjoyed,

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Speaker 2: Like I enjoyed poetry, I enjoyed community events, I enjoyed

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Speaker 2: music stuff.

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Speaker 3: I would go there.

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Speaker 2: After a while, you kind of end up seeing the

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Speaker 2: same people and of the vibe vibe with him.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, although the ones who were closest to me.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I think you guys are going to interviewed her later,

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Speaker 2: I remember we met at an event and she was like,

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Speaker 2: I've seen you before.

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Speaker 3: I was like, no, I'm literally two months into living

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Speaker 3: in Melbourne. You have not seen me. And then we

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Speaker 3: hung out that night. We're like at an art being exhibition.

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Speaker 3: And then at the end of the night she was like,

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Speaker 3: we're going to be friends, and I was like, I

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Speaker 3: don't except your much not to say the same thing.

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Speaker 3: And we've been friends ever since. So I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I kind of feel like if vibe attracted your tribe,

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Speaker 2: but I also feel like, I guess that might be

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Speaker 2: like a cop out, but.

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Speaker 3: No, it's true.

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Speaker 1: And I think if you're open, I think if you're

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Speaker 1: like there's no one here, I'll never you never.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: And and interest based too, you know you have that

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Speaker 4: is your foundation takes notes.

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Speaker 3: Thank you very much.

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Speaker 1: So as we wrap this beautiful time up with you,

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Speaker 1: any I mean, you've already talked about this debate coming up,

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Speaker 1: but upcoming projects for twenty twenty five that you want

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Speaker 1: to share, share about your podcast where people can find

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Speaker 1: it all the good pleased you know, all the good stuff.

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Speaker 3: Let us know. Okay, Yeah, there is the debate that's

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Speaker 3: coming up.

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Speaker 2: Every twenty seconds, I have a couple other stuff in

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Speaker 2: the works, but nothing is like set it deep.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't even those people that moves in silence.

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Speaker 2: If you put money in my account, I can tell

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Speaker 2: you because now the dream can become a reality fact

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Speaker 2: I should be sharing. Yeah, I'm like, I'm dreaming, but

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Speaker 2: I can't share anything because I don't have the money

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Speaker 2: in my count I will let you know.

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Speaker 3: What we're working on like that.

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Speaker 4: But what about the first debate If people want to

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Speaker 4: like wrap their heads around that before the second debate,

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Speaker 4: where could they? Yes, so we are on Spotify and

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Speaker 4: Apple podcasts, and I think yeah because YouTube and Google

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Speaker 4: became the same thing as Undone the podcast on Instagram,

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Speaker 4: as undone the podcast.

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Speaker 3: On our YouTube.

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Speaker 2: We have like a seven minute trailer of like some

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Speaker 2: of the what I thought were like highlights from the

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Speaker 2: last debate of things that were said. And then we

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Speaker 2: also have like for audio like start to finish. We

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Speaker 2: didn't cut anything out, nothing else, so like we had

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Speaker 2: audience participation.

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Speaker 3: We had and it got heated at some point like

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Speaker 3: ran it raw.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, well, thank you so so much for coming

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Speaker 1: over and spending time with us. Thank you for the

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Speaker 1: love and like you know, We thoroughly enjoyed being on

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Speaker 1: your podcast, so please listen out. If it's not out already,

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Speaker 1: listen look out for it because we had we had

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Speaker 1: a time. Okay, we had a time. And that is

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Speaker 1: it for another episode.

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Speaker 3: Of It's later.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, thanks for coming you, like really, it's like your energy,

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Speaker 4: your vibe. It is very infectious and I think just

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Speaker 4: keep doing what you're doing. The bank account will will

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Speaker 4: fill out.

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Speaker 3: Equivalent. Okay, yeah, been more equivalent.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you so much.

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Speaker 3: Don't catch you soon. Good Bye,