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Speaker 1: Just received some information from the Northern Territory Police that

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Speaker 1: he assaulted police officers during an arrest in Hermannsburg yesterday.

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Speaker 1: It happened just after two o'clock in the afternoon. The

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Speaker 1: they identified that he was subject to a parole revocation.

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Speaker 1: Now it's alleged that while attempting to take him into custody,

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Speaker 1: he bit one of the officers on the arm, before

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Speaker 2: It's an absolute shocker.

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Speaker 1: Now, the twenty seven year old was taken into custody

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Speaker 1: where he's been.

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Speaker 2: Charged with multiple offenses.

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Speaker 1: But joining me in the studio is well the president

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Speaker 1: of the Northern Territory Police Association, Nathan finn Mourning Finny.

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Speaker 3: Good morning, Katy, Good morning to your listeners.

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Speaker 1: Good to have you in the studio now. Obviously we're

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Speaker 1: keen to talk to you about a few different things,

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Speaker 1: but this seven year old being charged.

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Speaker 2: I mean that assault sounds like a shocker.

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Speaker 3: It definitely does CARDI and it's not isolated. Unfortunately, we've

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Speaker 3: dealt with a couple and the NTPA have been dealing

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Speaker 3: of our other officers. It's just it's deplorable the actions

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Speaker 3: And just briefly in respect to the assault police, we've

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Speaker 3: seen the offenses rise hugely over the last twelve months.

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Speaker 3: I received report from the Police Federation of Australia as

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Speaker 3: of yesterday and we've gone through that and we're seeing

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Speaker 3: about four hundred and sixty offenses of assault against police in.

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Speaker 2: The last twelve months in the Northern Terra.

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Speaker 3: Northern Territory and that's equivalent to nearly over thirty percent

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Speaker 3: of our workforce Katie that have been assaulted in the

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Speaker 3: course of their due last year and that's that's totally unacceptable.

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Speaker 3: We expected to see some changes with the Manatrey sentencing

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Speaker 3: going the other way at the moment, Katie, which is unacceptable.

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Speaker 1: Go Finny, like, do you think it's the attitude towards

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Speaker 2: What do you think is going on?

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Speaker 3: Definitely, it's it seems to be unfortunate circumstances with our

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Speaker 3: carry out their duties, and this is unacceptable, Cuddy, and

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Speaker 3: our members need those protections. No one wants to go

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Speaker 3: some other person. We're there to protect the community. We're

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Speaker 2: Can you just tell me those numbers again? Did you

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Speaker 3: Excess to four hundred and sixty offenses?

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Speaker 1: So that means more than six more than four hundred

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Speaker 3: Yes, that doesn't that obviously premise that premise that it

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Speaker 3: could be the same or similar officer. Yeah, an officer

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Speaker 2: That's a question, doesn't make it better.

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Speaker 3: No, that equates to about thirty percent of our workforce.

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Speaker 2: That is crazy. Yeah, it's crazy stuff.

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Speaker 3: It's unacceptable, Cady. Yes, we need to provide a safe

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Speaker 1: Well, and you know, no matter where you work, you

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Speaker 3: And we all.

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Speaker 1: Understand that the police obviously face a higher level of risk,

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Speaker 3: And what's the effect of the assault, Katie. And we've

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Speaker 3: It has a lifelong effect for some people. And that's

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Speaker 3: not acceptable, Katie, No, it's.

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Speaker 1: Not and it would do you know if you worry

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Speaker 3: Reality is, our members are going out there expecting to

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Speaker 2: And appalling it is. It really is absolutely appalling.

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Speaker 3: And I take my head off to the to the

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with you, Finny.

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Speaker 1: Earlier in the week, we saw two off duty police

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Speaker 1: Now they could receive well, they could be really recognized

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Speaker 2: Have you looked at that vision?

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Speaker 1: It was incredible, absolutely incredible to see them, you know,

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Speaker 2: They did was totally just incredible.

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Speaker 3: The dedication their members show, and we've seen when our

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Speaker 1: It is a whole you know, it's incredible what they've done.

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Speaker 2: Finny, I know that as I understand it.

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Speaker 1: We spoke to the Police Commissioner about this earlier in

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Speaker 2: I'm assuming that you would agree.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, believe definitely. I spoke to the management team and

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Speaker 3: something we support for our members. It's not something we

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Speaker 3: This goes above and beyond when you're off duty, when

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Speaker 2: I agree, I really agree.

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Speaker 1: Hey, last week the Northern Territory Police obviously released their

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Speaker 2: What's been the reaction from your members?

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Speaker 3: Mixed, mixed, mixed reactions. So I've had lots of conversations

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Speaker 3: well aware of the deep and complex socioeconomic problems that

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Speaker 3: That said, we can't ignore that there've been an instance

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Speaker 1: Now, Fitty, in terms of you know, like the four

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Speaker 3: Again, Katie, it's we've been consulted throughout this process. This

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Speaker 1: In terms of that target for thirty percent employment across

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Speaker 3: It's an ambitious target, Katie, and something that we're happy

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Speaker 1: That's really bloody, sad, I would say, because I think

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Speaker 1: So is it a bit difficult to work out what's

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Speaker 2: So when is it kicking when they from the.

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Speaker 1: Well, Finni, I know we've got a lot of police

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Speaker 3: I'm sure they are. And they always remind me when

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Speaker 1: Nathan Finn, President of the Northern Territory Police Association, Good

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Speaker 1: to have you on the show this morning.

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Speaker 3: It's always good to be on your show. And we've

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Speaker 1: Much, absolutely good on your Finny, Thanks so much for

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Speaker 2: Much a pre Shida