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Speaker 1: It's a woman woody podcast, meanings for when you're in

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Speaker 1: blather on for half an hour anyway.

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Speaker 2: Doctor Norman Swan, thank goodness, is on the phone right now.

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Speaker 2: He hosts a podcast called Corona Cars. He's an incredible doctor.

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Speaker 2: He is on to talk to us about these vaccinations.

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Speaker 1: Why are they taking so long in Australia, Yes, he joins,

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Speaker 1: right now, not just one.

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Speaker 3: How are you going?

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Speaker 4: I'm good, really well, really well, big fan of Corona Cast.

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Speaker 4: It's been hugely informative all throughout this this period.

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Speaker 3: So thank you so much for doing it.

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Speaker 4: Because I've been ranting and raving on the air recently

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Speaker 4: about what I think is probably a frustration that's shared

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Speaker 4: by a lot of people who aren't, in inverted commas

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Speaker 4: eligible for the vaccine right now. Why is it that

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Speaker 4: if an older person who is eligible for the vaccine

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Speaker 4: is saying no, which, by the way, is there right Like,

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Speaker 4: I'm definitely not for forcing anybody to take the vaccine.

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Speaker 3: I think the frustrating the frustration that.

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Speaker 4: I'm feeling is that it's still precluding younger people from

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Speaker 5: So the answer to this question is there're two independent

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Speaker 5: So it's about this rare clotting condition which was discovered

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Speaker 4: Okay, and it's putting the fear in these people to

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Speaker 1: I wonder if it is the hesitancy that is the

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we are the slowest or the least vaccinated country

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Speaker 4: with more doctor Norman's one. Right now, we have got

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Speaker 4: the one and only doctor Norman Swan. He is the

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Speaker 4: Corona Cast, which is literally the definitive podcast and all

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Speaker 4: the information that you need in and around the Corona virus.

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Speaker 4: And at the moment, couldn't be a better time. Stalt

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Speaker 4: And so we thought there'd be lots of you guys

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Speaker 3: So I've got Norman on to answer your questions.

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Speaker 1: Is the hesitancy why we are so slow at vaccinating

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Speaker 1: Tom has got us covered? Well, why are we so slow?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, are at no point sitting in the thing. Most Australians

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Speaker 3: Norman Swan, mate, thank you so much.

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Speaker 4: You can listen to more of doctor Swan's podcast Corona

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Speaker 4: Cast where you get your podcast is incredibly informative insight

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Speaker 4: joining us. Mate, it's been a pleasure to talk to

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Speaker 4: you and all the info I hope to everybody out

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Speaker 3: Thanks Doctor Norman. It's been a question mart hear more

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Speaker 5: You know you want to