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Speaker 1: It's time for what is set to be a very

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Speaker 1: From Sky News. We've got Matt Cunningham, Good morning.

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Speaker 2: Matts, Morning Katie.

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Speaker 1: We've got from the Colp government Jinsen Charles, Minister for

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Speaker 3: Good morning, Good morning to your listeners.

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Speaker 1: We have got Independent Member for Johnson, Justine Davis. Good

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Speaker 1: morning to you, Justine.

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Speaker 4: Hey, Katie Hey.

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Speaker 1: Lovely to have you in the studio. And we have

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Speaker 1: also got Duran Young from the Labor Party, the Deputy

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Speaker 5: Good morning, Good morning Katie, and good morning to run

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Speaker 1: It's a packed house in here this morning. We've got

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Speaker 1: It is going to be an incredibly busy one because

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Speaker 1: we know a week ago the IKAG delegate Patricia Kelly

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Speaker 1: found a senior public servant had committed unsatisfactory conduct in

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Speaker 1: the management of their conflicts of interest after failing to

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Speaker 1: despite remaining on the recruitment panel and providing them with

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Speaker 1: from the recruitment process. That senior public servant has now

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Speaker 1: come forward. It is the Northern Territory Police Commissioner Michael Murphy.

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Speaker 1: Now the Commissioner yesterday issued a statement saying since publication

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Speaker 1: of the Eyekak, I have communicated with the Minister for

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Speaker 1: there is trust and confidence in the Northern Territory Police Force.

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Speaker 1: That is something that is now being questioned. We know

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Speaker 1: Matt can he survive?

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Speaker 2: Well, he's certainly got a lot of questions to answer, Katie.

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Speaker 2: I mean, what a mess and what you know it

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Speaker 5: This whole.

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Speaker 2: This whole facade, this whole episode, sorry, has just created

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Speaker 2: so many questions about what happens in this jurisdiction, why

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Speaker 2: different people are treated differently, how you know people look

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Speaker 2: after you know, their friends, and how they go after

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Speaker 2: about these things is nothing. Because we had a report

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Speaker 2: Why why was that allowed? The only reason that he

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Speaker 1: Yeah, which is quite unbelievable. I mean, Justine, I thought

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Speaker 1: If it gets to that point.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and look, I think I think, as Matt said,

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Speaker 4: So not only did the Chief Minister, who's the Minister

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Speaker 2: Well, you'd like to think so, and you'd especially like

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Speaker 2: So that I think that's the number one question the

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Speaker 2: How do you balance up those two issues? How do

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it is quite unbelievable when you look at it

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Speaker 4: Yeah, look exactly, and I think there's a plethora of

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Speaker 4: I still think the bigger issue is we have systems

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Speaker 4: We have an ICAC. We can talk about that. That's

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Speaker 4: It's about serious undermining of trust and integrity in you

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Speaker 1: I mean as a minister here this morning representing the

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Speaker 3: So first of four legged thing from the last week,

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Speaker 3: So that's so the legislation was drafted previously. So then

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Speaker 3: It shows the limitations of the AKK legislation and the

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Speaker 1: So to change it so that somebody can be named.

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Speaker 1: Of ac bit of a cop out? Does she need

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Speaker 1: This is the person leading leading one of the largest

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Speaker 2: Around consequences that's in appropriate action, right.

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Speaker 5: Exactly, That's exactly right, Katie. And it's quite concerning that

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Speaker 5: couldn't have named that person. The reality was she went

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Speaker 5: No, definitely not. And it doesn't matter who's in government

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Speaker 2: What should have happened is that last Thursday. I think

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Speaker 2: That just didn't happen for a week. And the only

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Speaker 5: Right to Also, remember why IQAQ was put in place,

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Speaker 4: And look, I think there are, as we said, a

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Speaker 1: What do you reckon should happen now? Justine, like, what

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Speaker 4: I think it's going to be very difficult for him

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Speaker 4: That didn't happen. So this has actually become a much bigger,

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Speaker 1: And I mean, do you think that the Northern Territory

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Speaker 4: The blood lines now are very interesting. I mean, I

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Speaker 4: I think it's complicated in a small jurisdiction. We've talked

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Speaker 4: KAK did their job in this situation. It may have

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Speaker 4: The next steps did not happen.

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Speaker 1: I mean, Jins, we're to hear from the government because

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Speaker 1: this is a real hit. I think for Leo Foccio's

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Speaker 3: Sorry, Like I do not agree with the board Legg.

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Speaker 3: Leggy thing. How as an independent member like I'm a

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Speaker 2: It's like first conference earlier in the week that she

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Speaker 3: She knew who it was, none of she could have

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Speaker 2: She could have said she was doing what Justine said

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Speaker 2: I've got advice from the Solicitor General that I can't

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Speaker 5: Going to do.

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Speaker 3: What she has done was the board legged thing. She

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Speaker 5: She released the report from the Solicitor General to say

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Speaker 3: She was following a process and that hasn't No. No,

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Speaker 1: It's forced to like he was literally in a situation

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Speaker 1: I mean, as Matt Starlier, that's right. And Justine you

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Speaker 2: The reason it's the tip of the iceberg is because

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Speaker 2: nothing about them. You go back to Queensland, where there

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Speaker 2: they put the police commissioner in jail. In New South Wales,

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Speaker 5: What?

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Speaker 2: Nothing?

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Speaker 5: Why?

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Speaker 2: Because we relied on the advice of some faceless bureaucrat.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you're in charge. When you're the government, you're

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Speaker 5: Well, look, I'll be you know, perfecly honest. I was

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Speaker 5: Uh she's released the Solicitor General statement.

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Speaker 3: Sometimes you want to be able to do like put

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Speaker 5: The Solicitor General's Advice has just released that from the

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Speaker 3: I'm not in a position to say, like a thing

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Speaker 4: So but Jinsen, you must agree that this has under

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Speaker 3: No, I don't. Again again like this is an action

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Speaker 3: back to Justin again, like how did you know this person?

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Speaker 2: I was a public Why is that the question?

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Speaker 3: That's a question because I wasn't avert of this information.

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Speaker 2: Everyone in this city knew who it was.

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Speaker 3: That was a speculation, But I was a public servant

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Speaker 3: like a system became.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I think Justine was confident she knew who

441
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Speaker 2: it was, and it turns out she was right. So

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Speaker 2: I think we're dealing in semantics.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, but look, I think at the end of

444
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Speaker 1: the day as well, the issue that we have got

445
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Speaker 1: now is we've got a person in charge of the

446
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Speaker 1: Northern Territory Police Force where people are questioning whether he

447
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Speaker 1: can really stay in that role. You have literally got

448
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Speaker 1: the union that represents a huge majority of the Northern

449
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Speaker 1: Territory Police Force saying their entire executive board of the

450
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Speaker 1: Northern Territory Police Association is unanimously calling upon the Commissioner

451
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Speaker 1: to tender his resignation. They are saying it is another

452
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Speaker 1: example of the Northern Territory Police Force executive failing to

453
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Speaker 1: uphold the very standards that they demand of others. Nathan Finn,

454
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Speaker 1: the President, saying it's a slap in the face of

455
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Speaker 1: the hard working men and women on the ground who

456
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Speaker 1: put their lives on the line. Every day. I mean

457
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Speaker 1: that sentence in itself, to me, really highlights the issue

458
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Speaker 1: that we've now got in the NT. You know, whether

459
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Speaker 1: you think Michael Murphy's been doing a good job, whether

460
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Speaker 1: you think he's a good blog no matter what you

461
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Speaker 1: think of the man, we know that an eyecach report

462
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Speaker 1: has now come out, you know, with some very very serious,

463
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Speaker 1: serious comments, I mean calling the actions negligent and incompetent.

464
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Speaker 1: If we have got somebody who the IKAK has said

465
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Speaker 1: has acted negligently and incompetently, can they remain in that role?

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Speaker 2: It's a very good question and there are questions, As

467
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Speaker 2: I said that the Police Commissioner needs to answer that.

468
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Speaker 2: The other question is what happens with the appointment that's

469
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Speaker 2: been made?

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Speaker 3: Right?

471
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Speaker 2: Does it stand? I mean this goes back to the

472
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Speaker 2: government not taking any action. I mean, could the government

473
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Speaker 2: not have gone back to the police and said you

474
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Speaker 2: need to re at least redo that appointment. You've got

475
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Speaker 2: a guy who's been who's been appointed to a very

476
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Speaker 2: senior position that pays a lot of money and the

477
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Speaker 2: process has been identified as being unsatisfactory. Is that a

478
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Speaker 2: understand and what does that say about our faith in

479
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Speaker 2: that institution?

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Speaker 4: If it is exactly and I think you read out Katie.

481
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Speaker 4: In the commissioner's own statement, he said, my role as

482
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Speaker 4: the Commissioner is to ensure there's trust and confidence in

483
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Speaker 4: the Northern Territory Police Force, the service it provides, and

484
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Speaker 4: its internal governance.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I'm silent in response to that.

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Speaker 3: Well, so again, like my response to that is a board.

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Speaker 4: Leg.

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Speaker 3: I thin Chief Minister is the police Minister will be

490
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Speaker 3: looking into this matter, and I think she will be

491
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Speaker 3: coming out on informing the public aboard leg I think

492
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Speaker 3: what are the actions, But again there is need for

493
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Speaker 3: some time to complete the processes. She can't make an

494
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Speaker 3: emotional decision or to public because of like there is

495
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Speaker 3: a public sentiment.

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Speaker 5: Again, this isn't about an emotional decision. This is about

497
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Speaker 5: what process is the Chief Minister doing and what action

498
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Speaker 5: is the Chief Minister taking. Going back to the point

499
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Speaker 5: of the Assistant Commissioner Keenan's position, you know that I

500
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Speaker 5: think it's unfair to kind of target him because he

501
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Speaker 5: was just you know, obviously applying for a and that

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Speaker 5: that's he doesn't decide.

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Speaker 2: Agree, But other people.

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Speaker 5: Who applied for that job, Oh yeah, what about handed

505
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Speaker 5: to Yeah, I agree, I agree with that, like it's

506
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Speaker 5: the process and a governance issue that's the real concern here,

507
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Speaker 5: So that comes back to the Commissioner. It also comes

508
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Speaker 5: back to now the Chief Minister, who hasn't taken any

509
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Speaker 5: action to date around this.

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Speaker 3: Again to ask, like anything, have you read the statement

511
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Speaker 3: that Chief Minister put it out yesterday? Because I think

512
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Speaker 3: she outlined the process that she has gone through. So

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Speaker 3: you're saying about like she hasn't followed the process. There

514
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Speaker 3: was a process that was forlored and I think this

515
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Speaker 3: information came out after how.

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Speaker 5: Many days did that take for her to put that

517
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Speaker 5: statement out? Is the issue? She didn't show during the week,

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Speaker 5: what action has been taken. She still hasn't released the

519
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Speaker 5: General Solicitor's advice. She could release that to give some

520
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Speaker 5: trust back to the public. She hasn't done any of that.

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Speaker 5: All she's put out is a pretty weak statement, pretty

522
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Speaker 5: weak statement, and then all of a sudden, one hour later,

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Speaker 5: all of.

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Speaker 2: The action, all of the action followed Justine saying she

525
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Speaker 2: was going to name him in Parliament. We can only

526
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Speaker 2: presume that had she not done that, everyone was going

527
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Speaker 2: to be happy for this to be swept under the carpet.

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Speaker 1: Well, look, I don't know that people are going to

529
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Speaker 1: be happy for it to be swept under the carpet.

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Speaker 1: What I can see is already on the tech side.

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Speaker 1: There is a real mixed bag of messages coming through.

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Speaker 1: I will read those out a little later this morning.

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Speaker 1: We're going to take a quick break. You are listening

534
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Speaker 1: to Mix one oh four nine's three p sixty. It

535
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Speaker 1: is the week that was. We will continue on the

536
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Speaker 1: discussion with lots of other things that have happened throughout

537
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Speaker 1: this week. And we know the government say that they're

538
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Speaker 1: delivering critical workforce support for Northern Territory Corrections staff through

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Speaker 1: a partnership between the Department of Corrections and G four S.

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Speaker 1: The agreement follows a rapid, robust and thorough procurement process,

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Speaker 1: they say, through the Department of Corrections, and is going

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Speaker 1: to be rolled out under a phased approach. The first

543
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Speaker 1: cohort of G four S stuff is expected to take

544
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Speaker 1: the oath and commence induction training within weeks. We know

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Speaker 1: that the Minister for Corrections, Jared Maylee, had said the

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Speaker 1: partnership was a critical step in delivering targeted support to

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Speaker 1: existing NT correction staff and ensured the long term sustainability

548
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Speaker 1: of the corrections system. We also interviewed the Corrections Commissioner

549
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Speaker 1: earlier in the week. He said that a number of

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Speaker 1: beds would be coming online this week. Now, yesterday we

551
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Speaker 1: had the head of the United Workers Union, Erona Early

552
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Speaker 1: on the show and she had said, you know, quite

553
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Speaker 1: simply that there wasn't a staffing issue and this support

554
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Speaker 1: was not required. Listeners actually messaging in to go wolf.

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Speaker 1: If there's not a staffing issue, why are we paying

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Speaker 1: eleven million dollars in overtime?

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Speaker 2: I thought it was twenty one according to the Yeah, I.

558
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Speaker 1: Think eleven might have been to transport right.

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Speaker 4: So in terms of jfours like, we don't need to

560
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Speaker 4: imagine what might happen when a company, when jfoors that

561
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Speaker 4: company comes into a very volatile environment, because there's a

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Speaker 4: clear history of what's happened. They have human rights allegations

563
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Speaker 4: longer than my arm against them from within within Victoria,

564
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Speaker 4: within Western Australia, in the UK, in South Africa, on

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Speaker 4: Manas Island. And what we need here is to actually

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Speaker 4: be able to have people in our prison system in

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Speaker 4: crisis who we can trust, who we know are going

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Speaker 4: to make things safer, not less safe, and this is

569
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Speaker 4: not going to make things safer. I'm really worried about

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Speaker 4: what's going to happen to the people who in prison,

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Speaker 4: to our prison staff, and putting people at putting an

572
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Speaker 4: organization in place that has at best incredibly dubious history

573
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Speaker 4: is not the solution. And I heard the Minister Corgrections

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Speaker 4: say publicly the other day, well he hadn't really personally

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Speaker 4: looked into them. That is not good enough in my view.

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Speaker 5: I find it, Yeah, quite concerned, you know, reiterating what

577
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Speaker 5: justin Justine was saying as well, have all those concerns

578
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Speaker 5: from our team. But like what's also concerning is around

579
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Speaker 5: the way this whole incident has been handled. We've seen

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Speaker 5: we know that the Correction Minister's advisor used to work

581
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Speaker 5: for G four S and you know.

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Speaker 2: How he used to work for the Northern Territory government

583
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Speaker 2: as the Corrections commissioner appointed by Labor.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, but I mean he's now in advice.

585
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Speaker 2: Sached by the CLP after after Labor jumped up and

586
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Speaker 2: down and accused him of being too soft on criminals.

587
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Speaker 5: That's what happened, That is what happened.

588
00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:33,520
Speaker 2: Went missing out of the Duchelor work camp. And Labor

589
00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:37,560
Speaker 2: jumped up and down. Michael Gunner said that Labor that

590
00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:40,440
Speaker 2: said that the government, the Corrections Commissioner had let an

591
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Speaker 2: axe murdering rapist Michael Gunner's words go on the loose, right,

592
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Speaker 2: And so the CLP government sacked him. The guy was

593
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Speaker 2: sacked for being too soft on criminals, right, But that

594
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Speaker 2: was the reason he was sacked. That's why he had

595
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Speaker 2: to go and work for G four s because he

596
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Speaker 2: got sacked by the CLP because you guys demanded it.

597
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Speaker 2: And now I'm going to turn around and.

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Speaker 4: Say, isn't the issue. Isn't the issue here about trans

599
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Speaker 4: about transparency, about proper process.

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Speaker 1: Well, look, I did follow that up. I did actually

601
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Speaker 1: follows I'm trying to tell the full story of exactly

602
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Speaker 1: what I understand.

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Speaker 5: That where we've got we've got a member who used

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Speaker 5: to work for g FO.

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Speaker 1: I actually followed this up through the week because Selena

606
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Speaker 1: raised this on the show on Tuesday. So I actually

607
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Speaker 1: did follow this up, and I got a full and

608
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Speaker 1: thorough response from the Northern Territory government. So the Northern

609
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Speaker 1: Territory Government, the Minister his office was not involved in

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Speaker 1: the procurement process in any way, shape or form, the

611
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Speaker 1: Corrections Department had a select panel, so I believe that

612
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Speaker 1: they approached five different companies. Three of those came back

613
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Speaker 1: and obviously went for the job. Now from that they've

614
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Speaker 1: they've chosen the organization that they deemed to be the

615
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Speaker 1: most suitable for the Northern territory or for the role

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Speaker 1: that was required. Now, in no way is what we

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Speaker 1: were told. In any way, shape or form, was that

618
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Speaker 1: advisor involved in that process. But nonetheless I believe they

619
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Speaker 1: had declared, you know, like there was always a declaration

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Speaker 1: of where they had previously worked, and certainly the Minister's

621
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Speaker 1: office had said that whenever somebody comes on board. Now

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Speaker 1: that is I think part of the process that you've

623
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Speaker 1: actually got to declare, you know, if there is any

624
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Speaker 1: kind of conflict, are you confident that that's what's happened?

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Speaker 3: Jinsent Again, like when it comes to the government beyond

626
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Speaker 3: this or we clearly went to the election with like

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Speaker 3: a reduced crime and I think and we passed legislation

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Speaker 3: and due to that, I think though the number of

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Speaker 3: correction or the prisoners go up to five hundred, and

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Speaker 3: it caused some pressure into the corrections and a thing

631
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Speaker 3: as mad mentioned earlier, there was like an enormous number

632
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Speaker 3: of overtime that we've been peeing. So that means like

633
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Speaker 3: there was like clear lack of stuff in the correction space.

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Speaker 3: And because the numbers were going up and the past

635
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Speaker 3: like months or years, that shows a board like we want,

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Speaker 3: we want, we are not in a position to recruit

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Speaker 3: that min stuff in a short period of time. So

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Speaker 3: this is an interim measure to make sure like bigle

639
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Speaker 3: like staff on board to transport the prisoners from the

640
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Speaker 3: prison to the coach and just to alleviate that pressure

641
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Speaker 3: from the correction stuff. That means the correction stuff can

642
00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:16,560
Speaker 3: work within the correctional facility and not transporting the clients

643
00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:19,120
Speaker 3: up and down each day. And I think that's what

644
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Speaker 3: it is done at the first stage, and also the

645
00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:24,240
Speaker 3: next stage would be most likely if the pressure is

646
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Speaker 3: not coming down on the correction stuff or if they're

647
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Speaker 3: not in a position to do the recruitment. Further, that

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Speaker 3: means like I think the hospital transfer as well, because

649
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Speaker 3: I have seen first stand about like two correction offices

650
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Speaker 3: with all the time with a prisoner or from a

651
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Speaker 3: correction facility in the hospital that put like a lot

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Speaker 3: of pressure and Commissioner was clear that it's all paid

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Speaker 3: from over time as well. So that means like there

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Speaker 3: is two things. One is about like the stuff fatigue

655
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Speaker 3: stuff will being and also one is about like the

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Speaker 3: financial component along with that as well.

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Speaker 2: Cartie, if we want to go back, if we want

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Speaker 2: to talk about Ken Middlebrook, and we want to go

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Speaker 2: back to the issue of transparency and integrity, we need

660
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Speaker 2: to remember that after Labor demanded he'd be sack for

661
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Speaker 2: being too soft on criminals and he had to move

662
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Speaker 2: into state to get a job with a private company.

663
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Speaker 2: Right he applied for a job back here in the

664
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Speaker 2: Northern Territory as superintendent of the Darwin Prison. There was

665
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Speaker 2: an independent panel that selected him as the outstanding candidate

666
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Speaker 2: under the Labor government, and mysteriously he was never appointed.

667
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Speaker 2: That was thrown out and they redid the selection to

668
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Speaker 2: a point somewhere, someone else, somewhere in between point A

669
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Speaker 2: and point B, something has happened to make sure he

670
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Speaker 2: didn't get that job. So I just I find it

671
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Speaker 2: really difficult to cop oh, we're going to talk about

672
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Speaker 2: open and openness and transparency and not talk about everything

673
00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:47,440
Speaker 2: that happened here with this bloke, because you know, it

674
00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:49,200
Speaker 2: goes back to the Gwyn thing. It goes back to

675
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Speaker 2: the police thing. Yep. You know, if we really want

676
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Speaker 2: to have a look properly into these things, well then

677
00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:56,680
Speaker 2: let's not a problem problem and let's be with all

678
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Speaker 2: the facts.

679
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Speaker 1: Fair enough, fair call.

680
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Speaker 4: I think I want to go to the bigger issue though,

681
00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:03,840
Speaker 4: and it's exactly what Jinsen just said. This government was

682
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Speaker 4: elected on a platform of reducing crime. They've got five

683
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Speaker 4: hundred more people in prison in conditions that by any measure,

684
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Speaker 4: are completely unacceptable. Where there's more than sixteen people in

685
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Speaker 4: a room people that and no and light twenty three

686
00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:23,200
Speaker 4: hours a day, no access to showers, et cetera. And

687
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Speaker 4: crime rates have not come down. So it's not working.

688
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Speaker 1: Well, I will say, though, in like, I know that

689
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Speaker 1: you said that, Yes, in some instances there is up

690
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Speaker 1: to sixteen people in a room, but I want to

691
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Speaker 1: be really clear, that's not every single prisoner that's in

692
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Speaker 1: that situation. It's you know, we have got we have

693
00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:39,360
Speaker 1: certainly got rooms where people have got televisions, they have

694
00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:41,680
Speaker 1: got beds, they are quite you know, I'm not saying

695
00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:44,640
Speaker 1: that prison is comfortable, nor would I really expect it

696
00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:47,080
Speaker 1: to be overly comfortable because people are in there for

697
00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:49,680
Speaker 1: a reason. Do I think that sixteen people in one

698
00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:52,360
Speaker 1: room is okay? No, I don't. But we are in

699
00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:55,400
Speaker 1: a situation where we're trying to like we're literally dealing

700
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Speaker 1: with these huge numbers of people continuing to commit crimes.

701
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Speaker 1: And I think that's you know, something that we sort

702
00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:05,560
Speaker 1: of never talk about is it's like we're just to

703
00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:06,879
Speaker 1: commit christ and what we.

704
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Speaker 4: Need to do is address the causes of that. And

705
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:10,839
Speaker 4: what this government is doing is not doing that. It's

706
00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:13,479
Speaker 4: not making us any safer, you know what We're all

707
00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:17,719
Speaker 4: it's very clear that locking people up, the evidence is

708
00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:21,120
Speaker 4: overwhelming that locking people up makes us less safe in

709
00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:24,800
Speaker 4: the end, because they come out and they continue to

710
00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:29,279
Speaker 4: be sorry, I offended, They continue to offend. And you know,

711
00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:32,640
Speaker 4: many people say, you know, I went into prison and

712
00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:35,400
Speaker 4: it was like a crime university for me. Actually, you know,

713
00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:37,160
Speaker 4: I came out and I knew, you know, I became

714
00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:42,279
Speaker 4: more criminal in inverted commons. No, No, I do not.

715
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Speaker 4: I want to look at addressing the causes that the

716
00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:47,560
Speaker 4: solution is that we put things in place to address

717
00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:49,839
Speaker 4: the causes of crime, and we know what they are.

718
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Speaker 4: The other thing I want to say just.

719
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Speaker 1: For eight years, so too, Justine like that was the

720
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Speaker 1: whole stance that the Labor Party stood for, and it

721
00:35:56,440 --> 00:36:00,440
Speaker 1: really it frustrated people, know, and we got to a

722
00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:03,680
Speaker 1: point where people were like, we have had an absolute

723
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Speaker 1: gutful of this.

724
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Speaker 5: Yeah, look and we've got to accept some responsibility for that.

725
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Speaker 5: But the reality is it does take a lot of time.

726
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Speaker 1: We've seen many years Dno.

727
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Speaker 5: Well, I mean yeah, but I mean there needs to

728
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Speaker 5: be consistency with policy and legislation, especially consistency. We had

729
00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:26,520
Speaker 5: local government local decision making agreements that have been put

730
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Speaker 5: in place that we know that we're going to be

731
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Speaker 5: over ten years. I think you know from the communities

732
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Speaker 5: that I that are those agreements are in place work

733
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Speaker 5: really well and it actually the thing I really like

734
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Speaker 5: about the local decision making agreements is that when I

735
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Speaker 5: go to a community like emy Point the and I

736
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Speaker 5: have a meeting with the community, they literally physically have

737
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Speaker 5: that document in their hand and they go through all

738
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Speaker 5: the aspirations that they laid out that they worked so

739
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Speaker 5: hard on for the last I think it took Amy

740
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Speaker 5: Point a couple of years and go around, where's this at?

741
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Speaker 5: The funding for the school that got upgrades to the

742
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Speaker 5: school upgrades that happens. That's really good.

743
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Speaker 1: That stuff is really good. But what do you say

744
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:07,759
Speaker 1: to the people last week? On Friday last week where

745
00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:11,400
Speaker 1: from your area, your electorate of daily there were a

746
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Speaker 1: number of cars stolen. There were fifteen people who had

747
00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:17,959
Speaker 1: to be arrested by the Northern Territory Police who came

748
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:22,480
Speaker 1: into Darwin and ran an absolute muck. Where's the local

749
00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:26,120
Speaker 1: decision making there and where is the leadership going? This

750
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Speaker 1: is absolute bullshit and it cannot continue.

751
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Speaker 5: This is exactly what I'm talking about. I understand that's

752
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:36,399
Speaker 5: unacceptable behavior, but it means we need to invest back

753
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Speaker 5: into the communities program.

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Speaker 1: Last week you had a group that were aged between

755
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Speaker 1: fourteen and fifteen I believe, right up to twenty nine

756
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Speaker 1: years old.

757
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Speaker 5: Yeah, and it goes back to the lack of consistency

758
00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:53,040
Speaker 5: around policy the past policies in terms of the intervention

759
00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:55,399
Speaker 5: under the Howard government. We can talk about the local

760
00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:58,360
Speaker 5: government as well, that fits into it. There's been no

761
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Speaker 5: consistency around policy when it comes to communities and it's

762
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Speaker 5: all government. Well, that that's a separate that's that's part

763
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Speaker 5: of the issue. The issue is that to have opportunities

764
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Speaker 5: in communities, we need to ensure that people have a

765
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Speaker 5: house to live in.

766
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Speaker 1: Have people listening to it would be thinking to themselves,

767
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Speaker 1: why is there a set of rules for some people

768
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Speaker 1: and a totally different set of rules for others. Shouldn't

769
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Speaker 1: we all be abiding by the rules and respecting one

770
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Speaker 1: another and not breaking the law.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I agree with that, But if you're not going

772
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Speaker 5: to address those underlining issues which Justine just talked about,

773
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Speaker 5: I'm talking about now we are continually going to see

774
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Speaker 5: what is happening in Darwin and Catherine and Alice Springs,

775
00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:52,719
Speaker 5: but also not just those communities, in what Air as well,

776
00:38:53,080 --> 00:39:00,239
Speaker 5: like people experience experience as well in the communities each

777
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Speaker 5: about it yesterday doing a really good job, some bipartisan.

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Speaker 1: A really good job. There are I've got both, Duran's

779
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Speaker 1: going to take off, thank you.

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Speaker 4: And I think also it's really important to say that

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00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:16,680
Speaker 4: there are there are communities, there are places where we

782
00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:19,920
Speaker 4: are seeing an alternatives happening, a really good job happening,

783
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Speaker 4: like in Maningrida, like in Greet, Ireland, where youth crime

784
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:26,680
Speaker 4: dropped to from eighty percent to one percent. Like that's

785
00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:28,919
Speaker 4: not exactly right, but you know that's pretty much it

786
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:31,759
Speaker 4: like there are there are alternatives that work, and that's

787
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Speaker 4: what I totally understand what you're saying, your listeners are

788
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Speaker 4: saying about. Come on, we need to do something about this.

789
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Speaker 1: It's not good enough.

790
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Speaker 4: There are things that are happening and that's what we

791
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Speaker 4: need to invest in. And I just want to go

792
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Speaker 4: back to one other thing that Jinsen said earlier about

793
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Speaker 4: the correction stuff, which is one of the really big

794
00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:48,839
Speaker 4: concerns for me in terms of g fours, he said

795
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Speaker 4: they'll be used just for transport. I asked the minister

796
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Speaker 4: about that in parliament. Could he guarantee that that's all

797
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Speaker 4: these people will be doing and he said no, I.

798
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Speaker 3: Cannot the first stage that it will be only doing that.

799
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Speaker 3: So I think the legislation had to be I mean

800
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Speaker 3: to make sure. I think that our provisions for the

801
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Speaker 3: Commissioner to appoint private stuff stuff, and I think that's

802
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Speaker 3: what the provision was done. So I think but at

803
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Speaker 3: this stage, as minister said, like, I think it's restricted

804
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Speaker 3: to transporting the prisoner's front.

805
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Speaker 4: Not only, but not on any basis.

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Speaker 1: Look, we are going to have to unfortunately take a

807
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Speaker 1: really quick break. You are listening to Mix one oh

808
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Speaker 1: four nine's three sixty is the week that was. You

809
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:23,120
Speaker 1: are listening to Mix one oh four nine's three sixty

810
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Speaker 1: is the week that was. We're fast running out of

811
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Speaker 1: time this morning, but I do want to speak about

812
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Speaker 1: the Port Lace.

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Speaker 5: Now.

814
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Speaker 1: We know this earlier in the week, there was a

815
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Speaker 1: lot of discussion about this sort of half kicked off

816
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Speaker 1: Matt last week, didn't it during the week That was

817
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Speaker 1: right towards ten o'clock, and Bill Yan dropped a bit

818
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Speaker 1: of a clanger saying that there's been some work done

819
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Speaker 1: behind the scenes when it comes to the Port Lace,

820
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Speaker 1: further discussion all throughout the week. At first, I thought

821
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Speaker 1: to myself, is this just a federal election special? You know,

822
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Speaker 1: every time there's any kind of federal election or anything

823
00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:58,440
Speaker 1: floating around, the port becomes a hot topic issue again.

824
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Speaker 1: But the fact is, I mean, there are some concerns

825
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Speaker 1: about you know, about about the port.

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Speaker 2: Well, it might be a federal election that's driving this

827
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:13,040
Speaker 2: discussion at some Levelkadie, but it's certainly happening in earnest

828
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Speaker 2: And as you say, Bill, you Haan kicked it off

829
00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:17,040
Speaker 2: here last right, Oh well, he would argue, Luke Gosling

830
00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:19,319
Speaker 2: started it. I don't know who started it, but they

831
00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:22,799
Speaker 2: all seem to be on a unity ticket, both the

832
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:27,880
Speaker 2: COLP and Labor at a federal and territory level that

833
00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:31,400
Speaker 2: they want to see the port return to Australian hands.

834
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Speaker 2: So I don't know what happens from here because Lambridge

835
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Speaker 2: has made it pretty clear that that lease is not

836
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Speaker 2: for sale. So I guess there's only two ways that

837
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Speaker 2: it can happen, and one is that if they could.

838
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Speaker 2: One is they can prove that Lambridge has breached its contract,

839
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Speaker 2: because that's what kicked this off last year there was

840
00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:52,040
Speaker 2: the going concern financially about Lanbridge and its parent company.

841
00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:56,600
Speaker 2: And I guess the other option is the federal government

842
00:41:56,680 --> 00:42:01,080
Speaker 2: can on defense grounds just compulsorily acquire the port, and

843
00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:03,279
Speaker 2: there's certainly some calls for it to do so. So

844
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Speaker 2: I mean, you know, I know, it's it's an issue

845
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:08,680
Speaker 2: that gets people fired up more than just about any

846
00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:10,719
Speaker 2: any other in this place. So it'd be interesting to

847
00:42:10,719 --> 00:42:12,360
Speaker 2: see what happens over the next few weeks.

848
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Speaker 3: I think for the CLP government that's match just described

849
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:16,880
Speaker 3: like this is not something that just started now. So

850
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Speaker 3: I think this conversation started in November when we've been

851
00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:21,480
Speaker 3: made aware of like I think there was like a

852
00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:24,799
Speaker 3: financial uncertainty with the current company who is overseeing the port,

853
00:42:25,080 --> 00:42:28,080
Speaker 3: and I think that's what the conversation started from. And

854
00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:31,640
Speaker 3: recently it was kind of like gone up because of

855
00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:33,800
Speaker 3: like I think some of the comments from the current

856
00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:36,680
Speaker 3: federal member for Solomon and I think that's so there

857
00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:38,839
Speaker 3: was like a delegation that was sent to Canberra and

858
00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:42,000
Speaker 3: they had like Connoss yesterday and there was nothing positive

859
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:44,719
Speaker 3: from the federal government. That's where like Minister Yan kind

860
00:42:44,719 --> 00:42:46,239
Speaker 3: of like said about like this is kind of like

861
00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:49,439
Speaker 3: adding fuel into the existing conversation which is not going

862
00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:52,319
Speaker 3: in any direction. But for the CLP government, it's just

863
00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:54,560
Speaker 3: to make sure like a thing, the current company who

864
00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:58,520
Speaker 3: is running the porch, which is a language and they

865
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Speaker 3: have the financial position and I think they are making

866
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Speaker 3: sure they are going with the contract and we don't

867
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Speaker 3: want in a situation because it's a very strategic position

868
00:43:05,719 --> 00:43:08,759
Speaker 3: for the Australia because the landscape for the Australia and

869
00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:11,759
Speaker 3: this particular area region has changed over the last one day.

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Speaker 2: Was it a mistake for the se or P to

871
00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:15,440
Speaker 2: lease the port to Landbridge in the first place?

872
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Speaker 3: Again, like this is something that happened like teny years ago.

873
00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:20,239
Speaker 2: No, no, but your opinion do you think it was

874
00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:21,520
Speaker 2: it was the wrong thing to do.

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Speaker 3: I haven't studied in detail to make an opinion on that,

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Speaker 3: but again, like a thing for now, it's again like

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Speaker 3: it's a key strategic priority, especially when the Chinese vessels

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Speaker 3: were kind of like a thing moving around Australia. So

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Speaker 3: there are like lots happening.

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Speaker 2: So you definitely don't think it should be in Chinese

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Speaker 2: hands now.

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Speaker 3: Again, like it's in a private company, we may just

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Speaker 3: share with the Chinese holders, and that means, like a thing,

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Speaker 3: if there is an opportunity, yes, we will be looking forward,

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Speaker 3: but again like there is a contractual agreement there and

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Speaker 3: we will be looking on and Minister Yan is all

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Speaker 3: across and he will be able to provide more information

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Speaker 3: regarding all these discussions.

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Speaker 4: I can answer that question you Askedjins, and I think

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Speaker 4: it was totally a mistake the cop did in leasing that.

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Speaker 4: I think it's always a mistake when public assets get

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Speaker 4: least or sold off for a short term sugar hit.

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Speaker 4: I don't think it's in the long term interests of

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Speaker 4: the territory. And you know, in terms of what happens next.

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Speaker 4: I think we need to be making decisions that are

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Speaker 4: in the long term interest of our community. I think

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Speaker 4: it's kind of cute that the Coop is saying, now, oh, well,

898
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Speaker 4: that was a long time ago. You know. Leah was

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Speaker 4: on the committee. Sorry, the Chief Minister was on the

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Speaker 4: committee when that when when that was discussed and decided

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Speaker 4: it's not good enough. So that was a long time ago.

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Speaker 3: Nothing to see this.

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Speaker 1: Parliament, wasn't it the parliamentary as.

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Speaker 2: I think, yeah, and was part of the government of

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Speaker 2: the time government.

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Speaker 4: That's right. So so it's once again about people taking

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Speaker 4: responsibility and it's about then working out what we're going

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Speaker 4: to do from here.

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Speaker 1: So we're going to take a really quick break before

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Speaker 1: we wrap up for the morning. You are listening to

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Speaker 1: Mix one O four Alle's three sixty. It is the

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Speaker 1: week that was. The hour has flown by this morning.

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Speaker 1: We are getting a lot of messages through on the

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Speaker 1: text sign so I'll get to those shortly. We did

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Speaker 1: get a message a little earlier from Erina Early, who

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Speaker 1: is indeed from the United Workers Union. She said, corrections

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Speaker 1: members are ringing me regarding the discussion about corrections budget.

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Speaker 1: The Corrections budget doesn't cover escorts. Nothing outside the wire

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Speaker 1: is budgeted for, and that's the reason there's such a

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Speaker 1: large overtime bill as well as leave etc. That message there,

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Speaker 1: Thank you Erina for that bit of info. Plenty of

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Speaker 1: messages on the tech sign, but we are going to

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Speaker 1: have to wrap up. Justine, I know you are still

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Speaker 1: really keen for the Northern Territory government to sort of

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Speaker 1: outline where they're funding around domestic violence, where it's going

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Speaker 1: to go, when it's going to roll out.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Absolutelycadion in my electorate, there was a tragic death

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Speaker 4: this week and my thoughts once again go out to

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Speaker 4: all the people who are affected by that, including many

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Speaker 4: people in the community who've contacted me. This government has

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Speaker 4: been in for six months. It came in with a

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Speaker 4: commitment to the one hundred and eighty million dollars in January.

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Speaker 4: I heard the minister say that it start to roll

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Speaker 4: out by the end of the month. In February we

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Speaker 4: heard her announcement saying that it was going to be

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Speaker 4: annual fund ongoing funding, which is great, but we still

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Speaker 4: haven't seen any of it.

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Speaker 2: It's now March.

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Speaker 4: We still haven't seen well publicly, we haven't seen any

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Speaker 4: money committed to frontline services, services for prevention or protection

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Speaker 4: of people, and we're still we're having people who are

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Speaker 4: dying in our community. If we want to talk about crime,

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Speaker 4: we can't not talk about this every single time. It's

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Speaker 4: the biggest cause of crime. It's the biggest use about

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Speaker 4: please time, it's the biggest amount of time. You know

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Speaker 4: that people are the biggest taking turns base in prisons.

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Speaker 4: It's a crisis we've talked about on here before. You know,

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Speaker 4: I feel like a broken record, but I'm not going

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Speaker 4: to stop talking about this until we actually see something

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Speaker 4: happening about it.

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Speaker 1: So we absolutely I'd continue to talk about it every

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Speaker 1: it feels like every single day unfortunately, which is the horrible,

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Speaker 1: horrible part. So we will continue to talk about it. Justine,

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Speaker 1: thank you so much for joining us this morning. Justine Davis, C,

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Speaker 1: Independent Member for Johnson, Thank you. Jins Alse, Minister for

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Speaker 1: Various Portfolios and a member of the COLP. Thank you

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Speaker 1: so much for your time this morning, and.

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Speaker 3: So thanks. I'm not going to respond to Justina board

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Speaker 3: leg the conversation earlier, but I think Minister car will

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Speaker 3: be able to provide response to that. But tomorrow is

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Speaker 3: the International Women's Day, and I think the day will

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Speaker 3: be kicking off with walk in the morning from the

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Speaker 3: Basin Shill Park to the Civic Center and there are

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Speaker 3: like a lot of other activities happening across the territory

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Speaker 3: as well, so it's an opportunity for everyone to come

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Speaker 3: together and celebrate the International Women's Day.

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Speaker 1: So have a great weekend, absolutely than tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: Tomorrow. Tomorrow is also a grand final day for the

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Speaker 2: Nightcliff Tigers under fourteen boys will fee so yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: well the underdogs but you never know, believe.

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Speaker 1: You never know. Good on them, hopefully they do well.

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Speaker 1: Thank you all so very much for your time this morning,

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Speaker 1: and we'll talk to you again very soon. Thank you.