1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:02,160 Speaker 1: Before we get into the episode, we want to issue 2 00:00:02,200 --> 00:00:04,880 Speaker 1: a trigger warning as we will be discussing themes around 3 00:00:04,920 --> 00:00:10,360 Speaker 1: eating disorders on today's show, Steph, Claire Smith and Laura 4 00:00:10,440 --> 00:00:15,520 Speaker 1: Henshaw's Fitness Empire's complicated rebrand, the biggest moments from Australian 5 00:00:15,560 --> 00:00:21,079 Speaker 1: Fashion Week, and the eating disorder wedding. Hello and welcome 6 00:00:21,120 --> 00:00:23,959 Speaker 1: to Outspoken. It's your dose of the hottest influencer and 7 00:00:24,000 --> 00:00:27,240 Speaker 1: pop culture news twice a week. I maybe, Torbert and Sophie, 8 00:00:27,240 --> 00:00:29,680 Speaker 1: you've seen way too much of my partner Dale today. 9 00:00:30,160 --> 00:00:33,080 Speaker 1: I did see him in a very compromising position today. 10 00:00:33,120 --> 00:00:35,960 Speaker 1: So you told me that he was in Canberra. So 11 00:00:36,440 --> 00:00:38,440 Speaker 1: we got back to your house to get started on 12 00:00:38,479 --> 00:00:40,640 Speaker 1: the podcast and I walked up the hole to go 13 00:00:40,720 --> 00:00:44,080 Speaker 1: to the bathroom. I opened the door and to my surprise, 14 00:00:44,240 --> 00:00:47,360 Speaker 1: Dale is sitting on the toilet yelling at me. Didn't 15 00:00:47,360 --> 00:00:50,200 Speaker 1: get it out, and your toilet is quite far away 16 00:00:50,240 --> 00:00:50,840 Speaker 1: from the door. 17 00:00:50,880 --> 00:00:52,960 Speaker 2: It's not like you could do anything to be fair. 18 00:00:53,040 --> 00:00:54,880 Speaker 1: Dale said that he thought it was me and he 19 00:00:54,920 --> 00:00:56,360 Speaker 1: was trying to scare me by being. 20 00:00:56,160 --> 00:00:57,760 Speaker 2: Like, ah, oh my god. 21 00:00:57,920 --> 00:01:02,600 Speaker 1: I literally ran into your mortified because usually you think 22 00:01:02,640 --> 00:01:04,920 Speaker 1: it's embarrassing for the one on the toilet. But I 23 00:01:04,959 --> 00:01:07,200 Speaker 1: actually think I would have preferred to be sprung because 24 00:01:07,400 --> 00:01:10,080 Speaker 1: I felt like I was invading his privacy. Well, this 25 00:01:10,160 --> 00:01:12,400 Speaker 1: is a lesson for both you and Dale. For Dale, 26 00:01:12,560 --> 00:01:14,920 Speaker 1: lock the door, so you need to listen. I never 27 00:01:14,959 --> 00:01:17,400 Speaker 1: said Dale was in Canberra. I said he was leaving tonight. 28 00:01:17,640 --> 00:01:19,560 Speaker 1: I just feel so bad for Dale because it's just 29 00:01:19,560 --> 00:01:22,000 Speaker 1: such an unattractive thing to see a guy sitting on 30 00:01:22,040 --> 00:01:24,640 Speaker 1: the toilet. It's quite ironic because Dale and I had 31 00:01:24,680 --> 00:01:27,840 Speaker 1: a discussion this week about toilet etiquette between partners because 32 00:01:27,840 --> 00:01:29,880 Speaker 1: I was listening to a podcast and it was saying, 33 00:01:29,920 --> 00:01:32,120 Speaker 1: you can't get into the habit of seeing your partner 34 00:01:32,200 --> 00:01:34,240 Speaker 1: like a brother or sister, and one of the things 35 00:01:34,240 --> 00:01:36,080 Speaker 1: you need to stop doing is seeing the person on 36 00:01:36,120 --> 00:01:38,600 Speaker 1: the toilet. When do brothers and sisters see themselves, you know, 37 00:01:38,720 --> 00:01:40,680 Speaker 1: like they growing up, They get casual, They just walk 38 00:01:40,680 --> 00:01:41,800 Speaker 1: in while the other ones on the toilet. 39 00:01:41,840 --> 00:01:43,920 Speaker 2: I think about us, I've seen you sitting on the oh. 40 00:01:43,959 --> 00:01:46,520 Speaker 1: I would take calls to you guys on the toilet. 41 00:01:46,680 --> 00:01:48,520 Speaker 1: So I make a habit and I say to Dale, 42 00:01:48,800 --> 00:01:50,520 Speaker 1: do not come in when I'm using the bathroom. 43 00:01:50,560 --> 00:01:51,480 Speaker 2: So it's very ironic. 44 00:01:51,520 --> 00:01:53,600 Speaker 1: So for you are now officially Dale's sister. You've seen 45 00:01:53,680 --> 00:01:55,480 Speaker 1: him on the toilet. Well, I took one for the team. 46 00:01:55,520 --> 00:01:57,480 Speaker 1: I couldn't have you walking in there. I think this 47 00:01:57,520 --> 00:01:59,720 Speaker 1: needs to be discussed in Amy and Dale's wedding speech. 48 00:02:01,480 --> 00:02:03,080 Speaker 2: Well, you had an awkward moment this week. 49 00:02:03,160 --> 00:02:05,960 Speaker 1: Took so Reese was away for a couple of nights 50 00:02:06,040 --> 00:02:08,120 Speaker 1: last week and you guys had just left the house 51 00:02:08,120 --> 00:02:10,240 Speaker 1: and I was getting ready for bed, and suddenly the 52 00:02:10,320 --> 00:02:12,800 Speaker 1: dog started barking, and I looked out the window and 53 00:02:12,800 --> 00:02:15,000 Speaker 1: there was this man walking in the middle of the street, 54 00:02:15,200 --> 00:02:17,760 Speaker 1: screaming with a beer in his hand, and I got 55 00:02:17,800 --> 00:02:18,480 Speaker 1: so frightened. 56 00:02:18,520 --> 00:02:20,600 Speaker 2: I watched him. He walked to the end of the street. 57 00:02:20,560 --> 00:02:23,480 Speaker 1: Then back towards my house and started milling out the front, 58 00:02:23,600 --> 00:02:24,480 Speaker 1: yelling at the dogs. 59 00:02:24,560 --> 00:02:26,200 Speaker 2: I got this panicked call from Caate. 60 00:02:26,280 --> 00:02:27,880 Speaker 1: She's like, what should I do? There's a man on 61 00:02:27,880 --> 00:02:30,200 Speaker 1: the street. I'm like, he might just be walking past 62 00:02:30,240 --> 00:02:32,800 Speaker 1: your house. Perhaps he's trying to get to his car, 63 00:02:33,200 --> 00:02:35,360 Speaker 1: and you were like so worried about it. 64 00:02:35,360 --> 00:02:36,880 Speaker 2: So I just had just call the police. And if 65 00:02:36,880 --> 00:02:37,760 Speaker 2: you think he's stealing car. 66 00:02:38,040 --> 00:02:39,600 Speaker 1: So I'm in my room. Amy's like, you better turn 67 00:02:39,639 --> 00:02:40,960 Speaker 1: the lights off, you might be able to see you. 68 00:02:41,000 --> 00:02:43,000 Speaker 1: So I'm like on the ground, staring out the window 69 00:02:43,080 --> 00:02:45,440 Speaker 1: with the dogs next to me. I called the police. 70 00:02:45,520 --> 00:02:48,160 Speaker 1: They sent a patrol car down. So I'm watching this 71 00:02:48,320 --> 00:02:49,960 Speaker 1: all unfold. I'm snapchatting it. 72 00:02:49,960 --> 00:02:52,200 Speaker 2: To you guys. I'm getting blow by blows. The police 73 00:02:52,200 --> 00:02:54,840 Speaker 2: have arrived. They're talking to him now, and then you're like, 74 00:02:55,080 --> 00:02:56,880 Speaker 2: why are they leaving? Why aren't they telling him to 75 00:02:56,919 --> 00:02:57,440 Speaker 2: move along? 76 00:02:57,600 --> 00:02:57,799 Speaker 3: Yeah? 77 00:02:57,840 --> 00:03:00,000 Speaker 1: So I was like, oh my god, I'm in big trouble. 78 00:03:00,120 --> 00:03:02,240 Speaker 1: This guy knows I've called the police. They're doing nothing 79 00:03:02,280 --> 00:03:03,280 Speaker 1: about it. They've left. 80 00:03:03,320 --> 00:03:03,720 Speaker 2: Anyway. 81 00:03:03,760 --> 00:03:06,360 Speaker 1: Twenty minutes later, the RAA rocked up and the guy's 82 00:03:06,480 --> 00:03:09,040 Speaker 1: car had broken down. I think I would be screaming 83 00:03:09,160 --> 00:03:12,480 Speaker 1: and shouting in frustrating if my car broke down as well. 84 00:03:12,600 --> 00:03:15,639 Speaker 2: This poor man has just called the RAA and he's 85 00:03:15,639 --> 00:03:16,400 Speaker 2: had the police rocker. 86 00:03:16,480 --> 00:03:18,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, but why pace up and down the streets screaming 87 00:03:18,400 --> 00:03:20,600 Speaker 1: at people and flailing your arms about. It was very scary? 88 00:03:20,639 --> 00:03:23,280 Speaker 1: Can I put into perspective? Kate lives in the hills 89 00:03:23,320 --> 00:03:26,280 Speaker 1: in a very quiet little suburb, so this probably was 90 00:03:26,320 --> 00:03:29,040 Speaker 1: the most exciting thing to happen to you and your neighbors. 91 00:03:29,639 --> 00:03:31,639 Speaker 2: Because a lot of my old friends. Actually, we're really 92 00:03:31,639 --> 00:03:34,120 Speaker 2: excited about Laura in the beginning, because she's such a 93 00:03:34,200 --> 00:03:38,440 Speaker 2: sweet person and she just kind of came out of 94 00:03:38,440 --> 00:03:40,160 Speaker 2: nowhere and I just wanted to be with her all 95 00:03:40,200 --> 00:03:40,560 Speaker 2: the time. 96 00:03:40,640 --> 00:03:44,680 Speaker 1: They were like, are you. 97 00:03:44,640 --> 00:03:46,080 Speaker 2: Guys in a relationship? 98 00:03:47,160 --> 00:03:50,520 Speaker 1: Fitness moguls Steph class Smith and Laura Henshaw have rebranded 99 00:03:50,520 --> 00:03:54,160 Speaker 1: their multimillion dollar fitness empire Keep It Cleaner will now 100 00:03:54,200 --> 00:03:56,520 Speaker 1: be known as Kick to avoid a negative alignment with 101 00:03:56,560 --> 00:03:59,120 Speaker 1: the toxic diet culture trend of clean eating. 102 00:03:59,440 --> 00:04:01,480 Speaker 2: So can you take us back to the early days 103 00:04:01,480 --> 00:04:02,280 Speaker 2: of Kick? Yeah? 104 00:04:02,320 --> 00:04:05,440 Speaker 1: Well, back in twenty fifteen, Laura and Steph launched an 105 00:04:05,440 --> 00:04:08,480 Speaker 1: ebook called Keep It Clean and the idea came off 106 00:04:08,520 --> 00:04:11,520 Speaker 1: the back of the popularity of Steph's workout content on 107 00:04:11,560 --> 00:04:16,080 Speaker 1: Instagram and also Laura's blog that featured healthy recipes, and 108 00:04:16,160 --> 00:04:19,359 Speaker 1: at the time, social media was a really toxic space 109 00:04:19,400 --> 00:04:21,760 Speaker 1: when it came to diet culture. So you just have 110 00:04:21,839 --> 00:04:24,400 Speaker 1: to cast your mind back to skinny teas and also 111 00:04:24,480 --> 00:04:27,279 Speaker 1: a lot of fad diets. Their ebook was different though, 112 00:04:27,279 --> 00:04:31,000 Speaker 1: because instead of focusing on calories and restricting yourself, the 113 00:04:31,040 --> 00:04:34,080 Speaker 1: book focused on wholesome and nutritious food that you could 114 00:04:34,120 --> 00:04:35,720 Speaker 1: easily get at the supermarket. 115 00:04:36,040 --> 00:04:37,840 Speaker 2: It was quite clear that Laura. 116 00:04:37,520 --> 00:04:39,800 Speaker 1: And Steph didn't want to add to the toxic diet 117 00:04:39,839 --> 00:04:42,080 Speaker 1: culture that was going on online. 118 00:04:41,720 --> 00:04:43,400 Speaker 2: Because they both have spoken. 119 00:04:43,080 --> 00:04:46,479 Speaker 1: Out about suffering with eating disorders and also over exercising 120 00:04:46,560 --> 00:04:50,560 Speaker 1: during their careers when they were international models, So they 121 00:04:50,560 --> 00:04:53,120 Speaker 1: were trying to do the right thing in the early days. Yeah, 122 00:04:53,160 --> 00:04:55,520 Speaker 1: and what started out as a passion project has now 123 00:04:55,560 --> 00:04:58,560 Speaker 1: turned into a multi million dollar empire which includes a 124 00:04:58,600 --> 00:05:02,479 Speaker 1: fitness and wellness app, podcast, book, wellness retreat, and food 125 00:05:02,520 --> 00:05:05,000 Speaker 1: products Stopped in Coals and Bullies. And while Laura and 126 00:05:05,040 --> 00:05:08,320 Speaker 1: Steph have not disclosed specific revenue figures from the business, 127 00:05:08,400 --> 00:05:11,360 Speaker 1: Steph made it onto the AFI's twenty twenty one Young 128 00:05:11,480 --> 00:05:15,120 Speaker 1: Rich List with an estimated fortune of thirty six million dollars. 129 00:05:15,240 --> 00:05:18,480 Speaker 1: Apparently Laura narrowly missed out on making the list well. 130 00:05:18,480 --> 00:05:21,400 Speaker 1: This month, Steph and Laura announced their fitness Empire was 131 00:05:21,440 --> 00:05:24,360 Speaker 1: having a brand reset. So it's not actually the first 132 00:05:24,440 --> 00:05:27,600 Speaker 1: time this brand has changed. It was originally launched as 133 00:05:27,720 --> 00:05:30,520 Speaker 1: keep It Clean and then changed to Keep It Cleaner. 134 00:05:31,040 --> 00:05:34,320 Speaker 1: Now it will be officially known as kick spelt Kic, 135 00:05:34,800 --> 00:05:37,680 Speaker 1: which it has been effectually known by for many years. 136 00:05:37,920 --> 00:05:40,360 Speaker 1: Laura said they decided to change the name because Keep 137 00:05:40,400 --> 00:05:43,320 Speaker 1: It Cleaner no longer aligns with the brand's vision, which 138 00:05:43,360 --> 00:05:46,280 Speaker 1: is to create a platform that doesn't conform to outdated 139 00:05:46,360 --> 00:05:48,760 Speaker 1: rules or expectations about health and fitness. 140 00:05:48,839 --> 00:05:49,080 Speaker 2: Now. 141 00:05:49,120 --> 00:05:52,480 Speaker 1: In addition to the name change, Kick also launched a 142 00:05:52,520 --> 00:05:56,960 Speaker 1: new campaign to cancel diet culture by kicking wellness rules 143 00:05:57,040 --> 00:06:00,600 Speaker 1: to the curb. Gotta love the marketing team there. Alongside 144 00:06:00,640 --> 00:06:03,440 Speaker 1: the campaign, Kick has announced a partnership with the Butterfly 145 00:06:03,560 --> 00:06:06,720 Speaker 1: Foundation to raise awareness and funds to help people who 146 00:06:06,800 --> 00:06:10,480 Speaker 1: suffer from eating disorders and body image issues. Now, Kick 147 00:06:10,520 --> 00:06:13,719 Speaker 1: will match up to ten thousand dollars in donations received 148 00:06:13,839 --> 00:06:17,159 Speaker 1: via their website and is launching a merchandise store with 149 00:06:17,160 --> 00:06:19,719 Speaker 1: one hundred percent of profits donated to the Butterfly Foundation. 150 00:06:19,800 --> 00:06:22,279 Speaker 1: So a very worthy foundation there. Now, I noticed you 151 00:06:22,360 --> 00:06:25,800 Speaker 1: mentioned the marketing team. It's quite funny because Bullfrog Media, 152 00:06:25,839 --> 00:06:29,919 Speaker 1: which is Laura Henshaw's husband's digital company, actually we're behind 153 00:06:29,960 --> 00:06:32,640 Speaker 1: the marketing of this brands reset. You can see how 154 00:06:32,680 --> 00:06:36,600 Speaker 1: hard they're trying, because even kicking diet culture to curb 155 00:06:36,680 --> 00:06:39,240 Speaker 1: all of that stuff, I mean, it still stands for 156 00:06:39,360 --> 00:06:41,520 Speaker 1: keep it clean, It doesn't it. But also it's clear 157 00:06:41,560 --> 00:06:45,080 Speaker 1: they're trying to change people's minds about what this fitness 158 00:06:45,120 --> 00:06:49,080 Speaker 1: program means. It's really confusing though, because I think a 159 00:06:49,080 --> 00:06:51,560 Speaker 1: lot of our listeners know that Kate and I actually 160 00:06:51,960 --> 00:06:54,279 Speaker 1: have been doing the Keep It Cleaner program for. 161 00:06:54,120 --> 00:06:57,560 Speaker 2: Probably five or six years now. This is you, guys 162 00:06:57,560 --> 00:06:58,920 Speaker 2: paying for yourself as well. 163 00:06:59,000 --> 00:07:02,120 Speaker 1: So when I first heard about Keep It Cleaner and 164 00:07:02,240 --> 00:07:05,120 Speaker 1: saw that Steph and Laura were the faces of it, 165 00:07:05,160 --> 00:07:09,120 Speaker 1: to be completely transparent, I thought, my god, their bodies 166 00:07:09,160 --> 00:07:12,240 Speaker 1: are both incredible. Look at Steph les Smith's six pack. 167 00:07:12,600 --> 00:07:14,600 Speaker 1: I want to look like her. I want to know 168 00:07:14,680 --> 00:07:18,240 Speaker 1: what workout she's doing so I can emulate her. But 169 00:07:18,440 --> 00:07:20,960 Speaker 1: I didn't realize it was supposed to be a program 170 00:07:21,040 --> 00:07:24,040 Speaker 1: that was sort of about feeling good. And because it's 171 00:07:24,120 --> 00:07:27,880 Speaker 1: kind of confusing because there's a lot of different exercise 172 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:30,880 Speaker 1: routines in there, and when they first launched this whole 173 00:07:30,960 --> 00:07:34,120 Speaker 1: clean eating culture was actually seen as a good thing. 174 00:07:34,160 --> 00:07:37,360 Speaker 1: It wasn't seen as a particularly negative, toxic thing. I 175 00:07:37,360 --> 00:07:39,520 Speaker 1: think the fact that Laura and Steph are models does 176 00:07:39,560 --> 00:07:42,400 Speaker 1: make things more complicated, because, as you said, Sophie, a 177 00:07:42,400 --> 00:07:44,400 Speaker 1: lot of people sign up because they want to look 178 00:07:44,600 --> 00:07:47,280 Speaker 1: like Steph and Laura, And while Laura has said that 179 00:07:47,360 --> 00:07:50,040 Speaker 1: Kick is not about looking a certain way, it's hard 180 00:07:50,040 --> 00:07:52,080 Speaker 1: to believe that when a big part of getting people 181 00:07:52,120 --> 00:07:54,880 Speaker 1: to sign up is motivation so that you look like them, 182 00:07:54,920 --> 00:07:58,119 Speaker 1: particularly when we have heard Steph les Smith recently say 183 00:07:58,160 --> 00:08:01,520 Speaker 1: on her own podcast and also other popular podcasts about 184 00:08:01,560 --> 00:08:05,200 Speaker 1: how her looks really helped her further her career and 185 00:08:05,240 --> 00:08:08,000 Speaker 1: how her looks are really the number one asset that 186 00:08:08,040 --> 00:08:10,600 Speaker 1: she feels she has and that she puts a lot 187 00:08:10,640 --> 00:08:13,640 Speaker 1: of her self worth in. So it is then confusing 188 00:08:13,720 --> 00:08:15,880 Speaker 1: to say that keep it clean. It isn't about how 189 00:08:15,960 --> 00:08:19,160 Speaker 1: you look, it's about how you see positive though, I 190 00:08:19,160 --> 00:08:22,400 Speaker 1: feel like their messaging has never been focused on weight loss, 191 00:08:22,440 --> 00:08:25,160 Speaker 1: It's more about health and enjoyment. They've made a very 192 00:08:25,200 --> 00:08:28,040 Speaker 1: conscious effort not to promote before and after photos like 193 00:08:28,080 --> 00:08:31,360 Speaker 1: other fitness apps. They don't include calories or macros on 194 00:08:31,440 --> 00:08:34,520 Speaker 1: their recipes, and the app doesn't ask you for measurements 195 00:08:34,559 --> 00:08:37,480 Speaker 1: like what's your weight like a lot of other fitness apps. 196 00:08:37,720 --> 00:08:39,640 Speaker 1: I also do love that they have made a conscious 197 00:08:39,679 --> 00:08:42,120 Speaker 1: effort to choose trainers that come in all different shapes, 198 00:08:42,160 --> 00:08:44,640 Speaker 1: and sizes, and the programs have been created with the 199 00:08:44,679 --> 00:08:47,880 Speaker 1: help of professionals. The recipes the dietitian lad, the workout 200 00:08:47,920 --> 00:08:51,840 Speaker 1: programs are instructed by professionals. Their running program was created 201 00:08:51,840 --> 00:08:54,680 Speaker 1: by physios. It's a very good app. I think it's 202 00:08:54,720 --> 00:08:57,960 Speaker 1: just complicated because step and Laura are models. I don't 203 00:08:58,000 --> 00:09:01,400 Speaker 1: think that that's the only reason it's implicated. Particularly, I 204 00:09:01,400 --> 00:09:04,160 Speaker 1: think on a broader scale, with all of these other 205 00:09:04,240 --> 00:09:08,920 Speaker 1: fitness apps that are launching, I think that it's complicated 206 00:09:08,960 --> 00:09:12,040 Speaker 1: because people know they're not allowed to say this is 207 00:09:12,080 --> 00:09:13,959 Speaker 1: going to help you lose weight, this is going to 208 00:09:14,000 --> 00:09:17,520 Speaker 1: get you fit. It's kind of what is uncomfortable, though, 209 00:09:17,600 --> 00:09:20,480 Speaker 1: is we know that's why people sign up to these apps. 210 00:09:20,520 --> 00:09:22,079 Speaker 2: Yeah, because they want to get here. Yeah, but that's 211 00:09:22,080 --> 00:09:22,360 Speaker 2: the thing. 212 00:09:22,400 --> 00:09:24,880 Speaker 1: Stephan Laura clearly have their finger on the pulse when 213 00:09:24,920 --> 00:09:27,040 Speaker 1: it comes to the diet industry. But does it feel 214 00:09:27,080 --> 00:09:29,040 Speaker 1: a little bit fake? Does it feel a bit performed? 215 00:09:29,200 --> 00:09:29,680 Speaker 2: It needs to be. 216 00:09:29,800 --> 00:09:31,960 Speaker 1: They knew they had to evolve with the times. We 217 00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:34,160 Speaker 1: saw that when they changed their name from Keep It 218 00:09:34,200 --> 00:09:36,840 Speaker 1: Clean to Keep It Cleaner. We also saw it when 219 00:09:36,880 --> 00:09:40,360 Speaker 1: they nearly doubled their revenue during the pandemic. They knew 220 00:09:40,440 --> 00:09:43,120 Speaker 1: that gym goalers had to go online to. 221 00:09:43,040 --> 00:09:43,520 Speaker 2: Do their well. 222 00:09:43,520 --> 00:09:46,440 Speaker 1: I get that, but I think that it almost is 223 00:09:46,559 --> 00:09:49,240 Speaker 1: too performative. And when we're going to kick this diet 224 00:09:49,320 --> 00:09:52,400 Speaker 1: culture to the CIB, just change the name and move on. 225 00:09:52,559 --> 00:09:54,320 Speaker 1: So if I can, I one hundred percent know what 226 00:09:54,320 --> 00:09:57,120 Speaker 1: you're saying. But I think from a marketing perspective, it's 227 00:09:57,200 --> 00:09:59,720 Speaker 1: very clever because in twenty twenty three. 228 00:10:00,160 --> 00:10:02,080 Speaker 2: You have to do all this stuff, don't you. 229 00:10:02,080 --> 00:10:04,520 Speaker 1: You have to create this big thing about it. I mean, 230 00:10:04,559 --> 00:10:07,720 Speaker 1: think about Kayla. It's senus. She changed the name of 231 00:10:07,800 --> 00:10:10,760 Speaker 1: the Bikini Body Guy to Sweat, and then Sweat has 232 00:10:10,800 --> 00:10:12,760 Speaker 1: now been sold for hundreds of millions. I can't remember 233 00:10:12,760 --> 00:10:14,240 Speaker 1: the exact figure, but it's been sold for a hell 234 00:10:14,280 --> 00:10:16,319 Speaker 1: of a lot of money. But is she doing campaigns 235 00:10:16,320 --> 00:10:18,760 Speaker 1: about kicking diet culture to the good. They but they 236 00:10:18,800 --> 00:10:21,320 Speaker 1: have to because otherwise people are going to criticize them 237 00:10:21,360 --> 00:10:23,360 Speaker 1: and go, well, you're pretty hypocritical because it's still called 238 00:10:23,440 --> 00:10:26,000 Speaker 1: keep it Cleaner. I think you're being a bit unfair, Sophie, 239 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:29,840 Speaker 1: because step and Laura have detailed how they personally were 240 00:10:29,880 --> 00:10:33,800 Speaker 1: affected by disordered eating and over exercising. I do think 241 00:10:33,840 --> 00:10:35,640 Speaker 1: that they're coming from a good place where they want 242 00:10:35,640 --> 00:10:38,000 Speaker 1: to help their community. They have built such a strong 243 00:10:38,000 --> 00:10:41,360 Speaker 1: community because they're very I'm not saying that they're coming 244 00:10:41,360 --> 00:10:43,079 Speaker 1: from a bad place at all. I think that they 245 00:10:43,120 --> 00:10:45,280 Speaker 1: have ticked all the right boxes when it comes to 246 00:10:45,440 --> 00:10:49,200 Speaker 1: creating a fitness app that's acceptable and appropriate for twenty 247 00:10:49,240 --> 00:10:51,920 Speaker 1: twenty three. I'm looking at it from a broader scale 248 00:10:51,960 --> 00:10:55,800 Speaker 1: where I think that fitness messaging is to becoming incredibly complicated. 249 00:10:56,040 --> 00:10:57,600 Speaker 2: But do you think it's a bit gas lighting people. 250 00:10:57,720 --> 00:11:00,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, I do think it is gas lighting people because 251 00:11:00,720 --> 00:11:03,760 Speaker 1: but generally, not just them. I just mean generally, I 252 00:11:03,760 --> 00:11:06,000 Speaker 1: think that we're all not sure what we're allowed to 253 00:11:06,040 --> 00:11:08,480 Speaker 1: say any more when it comes to health and fitness, 254 00:11:08,679 --> 00:11:11,360 Speaker 1: which does put them in a very difficult predicament, and 255 00:11:11,400 --> 00:11:13,480 Speaker 1: it also makes it difficult when they also have a 256 00:11:13,520 --> 00:11:15,880 Speaker 1: podcast where they've got to open up about all these 257 00:11:15,880 --> 00:11:18,240 Speaker 1: personal things that they're going through. It's very helpful that 258 00:11:18,280 --> 00:11:21,040 Speaker 1: they talk about their disordered eating, but then it also 259 00:11:21,240 --> 00:11:23,280 Speaker 1: comes as a bit of a contradiction when Steph is 260 00:11:23,280 --> 00:11:25,280 Speaker 1: saying that the one thing that she has going for 261 00:11:25,320 --> 00:11:27,880 Speaker 1: her is her appearance, but then comes out having this 262 00:11:27,920 --> 00:11:30,840 Speaker 1: fitness program that's saying it doesn't matter what you look like, 263 00:11:30,920 --> 00:11:32,600 Speaker 1: it doesn't matter if you work out, it doesn't matter 264 00:11:32,640 --> 00:11:34,600 Speaker 1: what you do. It's like they're damned if they do, 265 00:11:34,600 --> 00:11:37,200 Speaker 1: they're damned if they don't. I know exactly what you're saying. 266 00:11:37,200 --> 00:11:39,640 Speaker 1: So because a lot of people purely have signed up 267 00:11:39,679 --> 00:11:41,280 Speaker 1: to it because they want to look like Stephan Laura, 268 00:11:41,360 --> 00:11:43,760 Speaker 1: let's be honest, and that's probably what God's so popular 269 00:11:43,760 --> 00:11:46,960 Speaker 1: to begin with. But they have done an amazing job 270 00:11:47,120 --> 00:11:48,560 Speaker 1: turning that messaging around. 271 00:11:48,760 --> 00:11:50,360 Speaker 2: I don't wholly agree. 272 00:11:50,040 --> 00:11:52,000 Speaker 1: With you, Sophia, because I think it's a positive thing 273 00:11:52,080 --> 00:11:55,319 Speaker 1: that we no longer accept fitness campaigns to just promote 274 00:11:55,320 --> 00:11:58,560 Speaker 1: calorie deficits and over exercising. I think it's a positive 275 00:11:58,640 --> 00:12:02,160 Speaker 1: move in the fitness in just and while we may 276 00:12:02,160 --> 00:12:04,760 Speaker 1: have originally signed up because we wanted to look like 277 00:12:04,800 --> 00:12:07,520 Speaker 1: Steph Lessmith and have her abs, you and I have 278 00:12:07,600 --> 00:12:09,080 Speaker 1: done the program for. 279 00:12:09,000 --> 00:12:10,040 Speaker 2: Over five years. 280 00:12:10,520 --> 00:12:12,720 Speaker 1: They've clearly done a good job at making you feel 281 00:12:12,720 --> 00:12:15,480 Speaker 1: a part of the community, providing a fitness program that 282 00:12:15,760 --> 00:12:19,319 Speaker 1: is sustainable. And I actually think there's another reason why 283 00:12:19,320 --> 00:12:22,000 Speaker 1: they're trying to push this messaging. After listening to step 284 00:12:22,080 --> 00:12:25,560 Speaker 1: Klesmith's interview on but are you happy? It seems clear 285 00:12:25,600 --> 00:12:27,880 Speaker 1: that the end goal is to sell Kick, and we've 286 00:12:27,880 --> 00:12:30,760 Speaker 1: seen just how lucrative these deals can be with Kayla 287 00:12:30,800 --> 00:12:34,480 Speaker 1: Ainas's app and also Sam Woods app twenty eight, Steph 288 00:12:34,520 --> 00:12:37,160 Speaker 1: spoke about how she would like to retire Young. So 289 00:12:37,240 --> 00:12:39,640 Speaker 1: I think it's at this point where they're trying to 290 00:12:39,679 --> 00:12:42,440 Speaker 1: grow Kick beyond the fame of Stepan Laura. It's about 291 00:12:42,480 --> 00:12:45,960 Speaker 1: the program and the platform they've created, not about Stephan Laura. 292 00:12:46,040 --> 00:12:48,080 Speaker 1: I think they would have been better off just picking 293 00:12:48,200 --> 00:12:51,160 Speaker 1: a new name completely, because if they're going to launch 294 00:12:51,200 --> 00:12:54,040 Speaker 1: this huge campaign about rebutting guyte culture and all of that, 295 00:12:54,200 --> 00:12:55,960 Speaker 1: I think they should have done what Kayler at Senas 296 00:12:55,960 --> 00:12:58,840 Speaker 1: had done, come up with a better name, because internationally 297 00:12:59,320 --> 00:13:02,240 Speaker 1: the word you would assume it's a kickboxing program. 298 00:13:02,559 --> 00:13:03,160 Speaker 2: I don't agree. 299 00:13:03,200 --> 00:13:05,600 Speaker 1: I think Keep It Cleaner has a lot of brand equity. 300 00:13:05,640 --> 00:13:07,920 Speaker 1: You can't just get rid of it all. Most people 301 00:13:08,000 --> 00:13:10,480 Speaker 1: now refer to it as KICK. I understand it still 302 00:13:10,600 --> 00:13:12,719 Speaker 1: represents keep It Cleaner, but I think we're going to 303 00:13:12,800 --> 00:13:14,800 Speaker 1: forget that. I think we're just going to keep using Kick. 304 00:13:15,000 --> 00:13:17,200 Speaker 1: I think it's a fantastic name. I think it's kind 305 00:13:17,200 --> 00:13:19,240 Speaker 1: of cool because it's very short and it could be 306 00:13:19,280 --> 00:13:22,120 Speaker 1: it's like kickstarting. Yeah, you know you want to kickstart 307 00:13:22,120 --> 00:13:22,520 Speaker 1: this thing. 308 00:13:22,440 --> 00:13:25,800 Speaker 3: Today, you ass So here is what I eat on 309 00:13:26,200 --> 00:13:27,120 Speaker 3: my wedding day. 310 00:13:28,320 --> 00:13:32,000 Speaker 1: A Canadian influencers nuptials have been dubbed the eating Disorder 311 00:13:32,080 --> 00:13:34,760 Speaker 1: Wedding after the bride she had of TikTok of everything 312 00:13:34,840 --> 00:13:35,439 Speaker 1: she ate on. 313 00:13:35,400 --> 00:13:38,079 Speaker 2: Her big day. The video has been viewed. 314 00:13:37,800 --> 00:13:41,400 Speaker 1: Over five point three million times and presumably game traction 315 00:13:41,800 --> 00:13:44,880 Speaker 1: due to the backlash in the comments Sophie, what did 316 00:13:44,920 --> 00:13:47,480 Speaker 1: the bride eat on her wedding day? Well, the bride 317 00:13:47,559 --> 00:13:50,120 Speaker 1: is called Sam Cutler and she eats a gluten and 318 00:13:50,240 --> 00:13:53,440 Speaker 1: dairy free diet. So on her wedding day, her down 319 00:13:53,480 --> 00:13:57,080 Speaker 1: a plate consisted of a lot of green smoothies and vegetables. 320 00:13:57,400 --> 00:14:00,440 Speaker 1: Let's throw to the clip just to give it justice. 321 00:14:00,760 --> 00:14:03,800 Speaker 3: Started with a protein smoothie from Pliables. Then my mate 322 00:14:03,800 --> 00:14:06,320 Speaker 3: of honor fed me some of her green salad. Nothing 323 00:14:06,320 --> 00:14:10,199 Speaker 3: went undocumented. Then I had another green smoothie again from Pliables. 324 00:14:10,240 --> 00:14:12,760 Speaker 3: In our bridal sueet, we had a huge veggie powder 325 00:14:12,800 --> 00:14:15,040 Speaker 3: for all of the girls. During our cocktail, I had 326 00:14:15,040 --> 00:14:18,040 Speaker 3: a bunch of oysters and some of these plantain avocado bites. 327 00:14:18,160 --> 00:14:20,760 Speaker 3: Our salad was a chopped salad and it was delicious, 328 00:14:20,760 --> 00:14:22,840 Speaker 3: and we also had gluten free bread. Then we had 329 00:14:22,880 --> 00:14:25,640 Speaker 3: an intermezzo chorus. This is basically just ice and lemon 330 00:14:25,680 --> 00:14:27,720 Speaker 3: to cleanse the palate. Our maine was salmon with lots 331 00:14:27,720 --> 00:14:29,720 Speaker 3: of veggies and it was delicious. Then we had a 332 00:14:29,800 --> 00:14:32,240 Speaker 3: ray blow pills on every table. Our wedding cake was 333 00:14:32,360 --> 00:14:35,000 Speaker 3: gluten dairy and sugar free chocolate cake. We had a 334 00:14:35,040 --> 00:14:37,960 Speaker 3: sweet table set up with unreal chocolates and smart sweets, 335 00:14:38,000 --> 00:14:40,360 Speaker 3: all allergen free and loss sugar. Then we had a 336 00:14:40,400 --> 00:14:42,520 Speaker 3: late night taco bar, so I had a bunch of tacos, 337 00:14:42,560 --> 00:14:44,600 Speaker 3: then into the night, grabbing a few unreal chocolates for 338 00:14:44,640 --> 00:14:47,000 Speaker 3: the way home. Were alcohol. I only had Cogi Rose 339 00:14:47,080 --> 00:14:49,360 Speaker 3: rose because I know it's less than two grounds of sugar. 340 00:14:49,400 --> 00:14:51,640 Speaker 3: And I had Moe Chandon because I know that I 341 00:14:51,680 --> 00:14:54,080 Speaker 3: can feel good when I'm drinking these two beverages and 342 00:14:54,120 --> 00:14:55,160 Speaker 3: still enjoy myself. 343 00:14:55,880 --> 00:14:58,520 Speaker 1: Now, it was the anti bloat supplements that caused the 344 00:14:58,640 --> 00:15:02,480 Speaker 1: most controversy, with much As accusing Sam of promoting disordered 345 00:15:02,520 --> 00:15:05,480 Speaker 1: eating at her wedding. Comment has claimed that the anti 346 00:15:05,480 --> 00:15:08,880 Speaker 1: blow pills were laxatives. However, the brand describes itself as 347 00:15:08,880 --> 00:15:13,680 Speaker 1: a powerful combination of natural digestive aids. After eating those 348 00:15:13,800 --> 00:15:17,680 Speaker 1: planters of vegetables and all the smoothies, I think I 349 00:15:17,720 --> 00:15:20,800 Speaker 1: would need a few anti blow pills. That's my nightmare 350 00:15:20,840 --> 00:15:23,560 Speaker 1: to eat all of that food before your wedding? 351 00:15:23,720 --> 00:15:27,240 Speaker 2: Was she just like literally fashing NonStop before the big 352 00:15:27,680 --> 00:15:29,960 Speaker 2: right for the before the nupt she was Seriously. 353 00:15:29,840 --> 00:15:32,760 Speaker 1: Who would eat that before their wedding? I wonder she 354 00:15:32,800 --> 00:15:36,760 Speaker 1: needed the pills now. One other person commented, I'm tired 355 00:15:36,760 --> 00:15:41,040 Speaker 1: of this type of healthy eating obsession being normalized. Like, no, girl, 356 00:15:41,120 --> 00:15:44,120 Speaker 1: you have an eating disorder. Another person wrote, if any 357 00:15:44,160 --> 00:15:46,760 Speaker 1: of my friends ever plan a wedding like this, please 358 00:15:46,800 --> 00:15:49,680 Speaker 1: make it explicitly clear in the invitation so I can 359 00:15:49,760 --> 00:15:52,600 Speaker 1: remember to be busy. Now, this is the wedding that 360 00:15:52,640 --> 00:15:54,440 Speaker 1: you were going to mac Donald's on the way home 361 00:15:54,440 --> 00:15:56,960 Speaker 1: from exactly. All I can think was, was this literally 362 00:15:57,000 --> 00:16:00,880 Speaker 1: what Sarah's day served at her wedding? Yeah? Helloing the backlash, 363 00:16:00,920 --> 00:16:03,520 Speaker 1: Sam tried to change the narrative by sharing what her 364 00:16:03,520 --> 00:16:06,840 Speaker 1: wedding guests ate now. The video has over one million 365 00:16:06,960 --> 00:16:09,760 Speaker 1: views and is entitled what We Served at our wedding 366 00:16:09,840 --> 00:16:12,640 Speaker 1: for guests and how we made our menu inclusive for 367 00:16:12,760 --> 00:16:16,280 Speaker 1: dietary restrictions. So in the video, Sam is really trying 368 00:16:16,280 --> 00:16:18,560 Speaker 1: to push the message that her wedding menu was all 369 00:16:18,600 --> 00:16:22,000 Speaker 1: about being inclusive, not restrictive, and she shared that thirty 370 00:16:22,040 --> 00:16:25,040 Speaker 1: eight percent of attendees had dietary requirements, so they had 371 00:16:25,080 --> 00:16:29,520 Speaker 1: provided modifications and alternatives for those guests. Thirty eight percent 372 00:16:29,760 --> 00:16:32,960 Speaker 1: this poor venue. They were probably beside themselves. I was 373 00:16:33,000 --> 00:16:35,120 Speaker 1: just thinking about the venue in terms of if these 374 00:16:35,200 --> 00:16:37,400 Speaker 1: pills were laxatives, like how many of the guests were 375 00:16:37,440 --> 00:16:39,640 Speaker 1: running to the toilet during the speech. You wouldn't want 376 00:16:39,640 --> 00:16:42,000 Speaker 1: to have a wedding where they've got the portaloos out 377 00:16:42,000 --> 00:16:42,240 Speaker 1: the back. 378 00:16:42,360 --> 00:16:43,720 Speaker 2: I want a proper set up. 379 00:16:43,800 --> 00:16:45,680 Speaker 1: Look, this looked like a very flash wedding, so I 380 00:16:45,680 --> 00:16:48,000 Speaker 1: don't think it was a port loose situation. Now, in 381 00:16:48,040 --> 00:16:51,160 Speaker 1: the video, the bride detailed all the additional food that 382 00:16:51,280 --> 00:16:54,320 Speaker 1: was available for guests that she couldn't eat, including full 383 00:16:54,360 --> 00:16:58,360 Speaker 1: calorie alcohol options, bread, and late night French fries. Now 384 00:16:58,400 --> 00:17:00,920 Speaker 1: the end of the video, Sam reiterated that the supplements 385 00:17:00,920 --> 00:17:03,760 Speaker 1: were available for guests, but not served or forced. She 386 00:17:03,840 --> 00:17:06,160 Speaker 1: also said that the guests had access to the products 387 00:17:06,240 --> 00:17:09,240 Speaker 1: information and guidelines. I'm sure they were all having a 388 00:17:09,240 --> 00:17:11,840 Speaker 1: bit of a read at the back of the supplements 389 00:17:11,880 --> 00:17:14,280 Speaker 1: at the table. Yeah. Well, Sam didn't stop there. She 390 00:17:14,320 --> 00:17:17,040 Speaker 1: filmed a third TikTok, where she claimed her video had 391 00:17:17,080 --> 00:17:20,240 Speaker 1: divided the Internet. In reality, the majority of the comments 392 00:17:20,240 --> 00:17:21,920 Speaker 1: were negative, so I don't know how it was fifty 393 00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:24,520 Speaker 1: fifty in her mind, She said, After ninety two percent 394 00:17:24,560 --> 00:17:26,439 Speaker 1: of my community asked to see what I ate on 395 00:17:26,440 --> 00:17:28,919 Speaker 1: my wedding day, I realized how valuable it would be 396 00:17:28,960 --> 00:17:31,640 Speaker 1: to show how I balanced the busiest day of my life, 397 00:17:31,840 --> 00:17:35,240 Speaker 1: respected my intolerances, and also included things that I love, 398 00:17:35,440 --> 00:17:38,119 Speaker 1: like wine and peanut butter cups and dancing till two 399 00:17:38,200 --> 00:17:40,240 Speaker 1: am in the morning. Now I find that funny that 400 00:17:40,280 --> 00:17:43,840 Speaker 1: she's pretending that the content wasn't planned. She literally took 401 00:17:43,920 --> 00:17:46,479 Speaker 1: time and effort on her wedding date to film everything 402 00:17:46,520 --> 00:17:48,320 Speaker 1: that passed her lips. I had to laugh at the 403 00:17:48,359 --> 00:17:51,600 Speaker 1: dessert bar because it had all these little canisters with 404 00:17:51,720 --> 00:17:54,439 Speaker 1: chocolates in them, but they were all ninety nine percent 405 00:17:54,520 --> 00:17:58,439 Speaker 1: sugar free. I bet that that dessert bar was fully 406 00:17:58,520 --> 00:17:59,920 Speaker 1: stocked when everyone left. 407 00:18:00,200 --> 00:18:03,400 Speaker 2: I can see the interest in seeing what a bride eats. 408 00:18:03,240 --> 00:18:05,480 Speaker 1: Before they actually walk down the aisle, because there's a 409 00:18:05,520 --> 00:18:07,680 Speaker 1: lot of debate about, you know, should you have something 410 00:18:07,720 --> 00:18:09,840 Speaker 1: sweet that gives you energy, all of that kind of stuff. 411 00:18:10,000 --> 00:18:12,400 Speaker 1: But when I saw what she ate as her main meal, 412 00:18:12,480 --> 00:18:16,080 Speaker 1: I just thought, just fucking live a little. This is 413 00:18:16,119 --> 00:18:17,800 Speaker 1: your wedding day, this is the one day. It's kind 414 00:18:17,800 --> 00:18:20,360 Speaker 1: of like Christmas. Just eat what you want that makes 415 00:18:20,359 --> 00:18:22,400 Speaker 1: you happy. But maybe this is the food that honestly 416 00:18:22,440 --> 00:18:24,400 Speaker 1: makes her happy. Well, she did go on to say 417 00:18:24,440 --> 00:18:27,040 Speaker 1: that the conversation is happening because it's a great piece 418 00:18:27,040 --> 00:18:29,480 Speaker 1: of content about how a bride who was gluten and 419 00:18:29,560 --> 00:18:32,320 Speaker 1: dairy free respected what worked for her. 420 00:18:32,760 --> 00:18:34,160 Speaker 2: So she said, respecting what. 421 00:18:34,160 --> 00:18:36,359 Speaker 1: Feels good to our bodies for the purpose of feeling 422 00:18:36,480 --> 00:18:39,800 Speaker 1: energized and present is not diet culture. She wanted to 423 00:18:39,800 --> 00:18:42,639 Speaker 1: say that she thinks she was inspirational for embracing what 424 00:18:42,800 --> 00:18:45,240 Speaker 1: worked for her individual body on her wedding day. 425 00:18:45,520 --> 00:18:46,679 Speaker 2: However, for many. 426 00:18:46,480 --> 00:18:49,480 Speaker 1: It might have been uncomfortable and out of societal norms. 427 00:18:49,800 --> 00:18:53,280 Speaker 1: As someone who has a couple of friends who have IBS, 428 00:18:54,160 --> 00:18:56,640 Speaker 1: I can see where she's coming from in this respect, 429 00:18:56,720 --> 00:19:00,760 Speaker 1: because for someone who has intolerances if you do you 430 00:19:00,800 --> 00:19:03,200 Speaker 1: consume that food, you were going to be incredibly uncomfortable 431 00:19:03,240 --> 00:19:05,399 Speaker 1: on the day, incredibly bloated. You're gonna be running to 432 00:19:05,400 --> 00:19:07,960 Speaker 1: the toilet. So I can see how on this very 433 00:19:08,000 --> 00:19:10,840 Speaker 1: important day she wanted to be careful about what she 434 00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:13,879 Speaker 1: was consuming. Yeah, but that's the issue with TikTok and 435 00:19:13,920 --> 00:19:17,159 Speaker 1: things going viral. People don't actually know the context. So 436 00:19:17,200 --> 00:19:20,600 Speaker 1: according to Sam's website, she suffered a severe concussion and 437 00:19:20,680 --> 00:19:24,280 Speaker 1: brain trauma four years ago from a fitness accident, and 438 00:19:24,320 --> 00:19:26,520 Speaker 1: it was at this point that she turned to nutrition 439 00:19:26,680 --> 00:19:29,600 Speaker 1: and meditation to help her manage her depression and anxiety. 440 00:19:29,640 --> 00:19:33,480 Speaker 1: So it's obviously a deep seated thing for her. However, 441 00:19:33,800 --> 00:19:36,720 Speaker 1: when something goes off on TikTok, people don't know the context. 442 00:19:36,800 --> 00:19:39,719 Speaker 1: And I really do think the video was rooted in 443 00:19:39,800 --> 00:19:40,479 Speaker 1: diet culture. 444 00:19:40,520 --> 00:19:41,760 Speaker 2: She could have easily called. 445 00:19:41,600 --> 00:19:43,840 Speaker 1: The video what I Eat on my Wedding Day as 446 00:19:43,840 --> 00:19:46,160 Speaker 1: someone who was dairy free and gluten free, and as 447 00:19:46,200 --> 00:19:48,520 Speaker 1: catchy is it, would we rather go to this wedding 448 00:19:48,600 --> 00:19:49,879 Speaker 1: or the one where you had to pay for your 449 00:19:49,920 --> 00:19:53,040 Speaker 1: own meal? I reckon this one because it would be 450 00:19:53,160 --> 00:19:56,280 Speaker 1: quite fascinating. I wonder if people were ravenous or whether 451 00:19:56,400 --> 00:19:59,679 Speaker 1: all of that very like wholesome, nutritious food made you 452 00:19:59,720 --> 00:20:02,399 Speaker 1: more well. In the TikTok where she detailed what the 453 00:20:02,480 --> 00:20:04,679 Speaker 1: guests ate, it seemed like it was pretty good, like 454 00:20:04,760 --> 00:20:06,919 Speaker 1: she was only showing the things that she ate at 455 00:20:06,960 --> 00:20:09,640 Speaker 1: the wedding. But there were like nine different appetizers. Some 456 00:20:09,680 --> 00:20:12,320 Speaker 1: had gluten in them, some had dairy in it. There 457 00:20:12,320 --> 00:20:15,000 Speaker 1: didn't seem to be another dessert option, which was troubling 458 00:20:15,000 --> 00:20:17,320 Speaker 1: for me. But they actually had a taco station and 459 00:20:17,400 --> 00:20:18,800 Speaker 1: also French fries, so. 460 00:20:18,720 --> 00:20:19,480 Speaker 2: I would have loved that. 461 00:20:19,520 --> 00:20:21,560 Speaker 1: I think the reason this video went off as well 462 00:20:21,680 --> 00:20:23,680 Speaker 1: is because they were acting like the food was so 463 00:20:23,800 --> 00:20:27,040 Speaker 1: delicious like m and then our desserts arrived and it's 464 00:20:27,040 --> 00:20:28,359 Speaker 1: one hundred percent sugar free. 465 00:20:28,600 --> 00:20:29,800 Speaker 2: It was just hilarious. 466 00:20:30,280 --> 00:20:32,480 Speaker 1: I think Sam really gas lit her followers in that 467 00:20:32,600 --> 00:20:35,040 Speaker 1: third video because she really did have a sense of 468 00:20:35,080 --> 00:20:38,280 Speaker 1: pride when she shared her first video about how she'd 469 00:20:38,320 --> 00:20:39,000 Speaker 1: restricted her. 470 00:20:38,920 --> 00:20:40,080 Speaker 2: Eating on that day. 471 00:20:40,400 --> 00:20:42,199 Speaker 1: And I think a lot of people had issues with 472 00:20:42,240 --> 00:20:45,520 Speaker 1: the anti blow pills because she named the brand of them. 473 00:20:45,560 --> 00:20:47,560 Speaker 2: It seemed like a branding opportunity. 474 00:20:47,600 --> 00:20:50,000 Speaker 1: Can we just get rid of the whole Dana plate thing? Well, 475 00:20:50,040 --> 00:20:53,240 Speaker 1: Psychologists and eating disorder experts have called for these sorts 476 00:20:53,240 --> 00:20:55,719 Speaker 1: of videos to be banned because they do believe they 477 00:20:55,760 --> 00:20:59,439 Speaker 1: are harmful, because they really do make people think in 478 00:20:59,480 --> 00:21:03,080 Speaker 1: a disorder eating pattern. And also it's kind of competitive. 479 00:21:03,119 --> 00:21:05,359 Speaker 1: It's kind of like, look how clean I ate? And 480 00:21:05,640 --> 00:21:07,960 Speaker 1: you know, we spoke earlier about clean eating being a 481 00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:10,000 Speaker 1: thing of the past, but I almost feel like TikTok 482 00:21:10,080 --> 00:21:11,119 Speaker 1: is regenerating it. 483 00:21:12,320 --> 00:21:14,280 Speaker 2: Lacoa sweetie, that's all right? 484 00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:17,040 Speaker 3: Isn't this but tight? Maybe? I'm sorry. 485 00:21:16,119 --> 00:21:19,720 Speaker 2: I know people will think, wow, it's a LACOI. 486 00:21:21,040 --> 00:21:24,040 Speaker 1: Instagram and TikTok have been inundated with the latest looks 487 00:21:24,040 --> 00:21:27,880 Speaker 1: from Australian Fashion Week. Every influencer and d grade reality 488 00:21:27,920 --> 00:21:30,879 Speaker 1: start flooded the Carriage Works in Sydney and dominated the 489 00:21:30,920 --> 00:21:35,639 Speaker 1: front row Now Sophie despite Margo Robbie, Mischa Barton, Rita, Aura, 490 00:21:35,880 --> 00:21:39,480 Speaker 1: Jason Derulo and Nigella Lawson being in town, they all 491 00:21:39,480 --> 00:21:40,880 Speaker 1: decided to skip the show. 492 00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:41,760 Speaker 2: What is going on? 493 00:21:42,080 --> 00:21:44,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's quite clear that a lot of A list 494 00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:47,560 Speaker 1: celebrities are trying to avoid Australian Fashion Week. It has 495 00:21:47,600 --> 00:21:50,720 Speaker 1: gone from being one of the country's most prestigious events 496 00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:53,280 Speaker 1: to one that they don't really want to be seen 497 00:21:53,320 --> 00:21:56,359 Speaker 1: at So for twenty seven years, fashion leaders and also 498 00:21:56,480 --> 00:22:00,160 Speaker 1: international stars were snapped alongside the runway, but now it's 499 00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:03,800 Speaker 1: been overtaken by influencers and reality stars. Did you guys 500 00:22:03,840 --> 00:22:07,280 Speaker 1: know that Kim Kardashian, Paris Hilton and also Misha Button 501 00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:10,240 Speaker 1: sat front row at these events? Well, Paris Hilton even 502 00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:12,520 Speaker 1: walked the runway for Wayne Cooper's. 503 00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:14,040 Speaker 2: Show What a Blast from the Past does that? 504 00:22:14,119 --> 00:22:14,359 Speaker 1: Brand? 505 00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:16,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, and Bella had did in twenty sixteen. 506 00:22:16,840 --> 00:22:19,600 Speaker 1: She also walked for the Misha collection and it was 507 00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:22,400 Speaker 1: reported that she was paid four hundred and twenty thousand 508 00:22:22,560 --> 00:22:25,320 Speaker 1: dollars for the gig. So it's kind of sad to 509 00:22:25,320 --> 00:22:28,240 Speaker 1: see that the glory days of the Australian Fashion Festival 510 00:22:28,280 --> 00:22:31,320 Speaker 1: behind us. What a change, though, because I noticed every 511 00:22:31,359 --> 00:22:34,119 Speaker 1: TikToker and their dog was walking either in one of 512 00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:36,720 Speaker 1: the fashion shows or were front row, and it really 513 00:22:36,800 --> 00:22:38,959 Speaker 1: does take the star power away, and I wonder if 514 00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:42,280 Speaker 1: that's why some of these huge celebrities turned down the invite. 515 00:22:42,359 --> 00:22:44,399 Speaker 1: Do you think it's also because a lot of influencers 516 00:22:44,440 --> 00:22:46,080 Speaker 1: now have their own fashion brand. 517 00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:46,600 Speaker 3: Yeah. 518 00:22:46,640 --> 00:22:49,720 Speaker 1: Well, in an industry insider told The Daily Mail that 519 00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:53,639 Speaker 1: for celebrities. The event is seen as screaming of desperation. 520 00:22:54,160 --> 00:22:57,200 Speaker 1: So you know, because if you are an influencer or 521 00:22:57,320 --> 00:22:59,800 Speaker 1: anyone who attends this event, you have to go and 522 00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:02,840 Speaker 1: changed into the outfit of the brand that you're attending, 523 00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:05,600 Speaker 1: So you can be changing outfits four times a day. 524 00:23:05,640 --> 00:23:07,560 Speaker 1: You're running around this city, You're putting in all this 525 00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:10,120 Speaker 1: effort you're having. You're gonna make up artists and they 526 00:23:10,119 --> 00:23:12,840 Speaker 1: don't want to be part of this circus. They also 527 00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:15,760 Speaker 1: don't want to have their photos taken around what they 528 00:23:16,119 --> 00:23:19,760 Speaker 1: presume to be desperados because they were hoping. The Australian 529 00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:23,320 Speaker 1: Fashion Festival was hoping that Liam Hemsworth would attend because 530 00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:27,400 Speaker 1: his girlfriend, Gabriella Brooks, she was making her runway debut. 531 00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:30,640 Speaker 1: But he didn't attend because I can hardly imagine him 532 00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:33,679 Speaker 1: standing there next to fucking Nasa from MATHS. 533 00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:36,840 Speaker 2: Sorry, I'm sorry, Nasa wasn't invited. Did he just rock up? 534 00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:39,120 Speaker 2: He just rocked up? Yeah, because a lot of them rock. 535 00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:41,560 Speaker 1: Up and take photos near the wall and then they 536 00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:43,679 Speaker 1: fuck off because they're not actually invited to any of 537 00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:46,960 Speaker 1: the shows. Now, two people that were in attendance and 538 00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:49,679 Speaker 1: invited to a lot of shows were Olivia Rodgers and 539 00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:52,960 Speaker 1: her new boyfriend Morgan Waterhouse. They made a number of 540 00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:55,840 Speaker 1: appearances together. At a show for Bianca Spender, they were 541 00:23:55,880 --> 00:23:59,600 Speaker 1: matching outfits, so Olivia wore a colboalt blue dress, while 542 00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:03,600 Speaker 1: Morgan wore a matching blue beanie, big baggy dark blue jeans, 543 00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:07,159 Speaker 1: a black singlet, and a beaded choker. Now in the 544 00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:11,280 Speaker 1: comments section, followers couldn't decide which celebrity couple that they 545 00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:13,720 Speaker 1: reminded them of, So a couple of followers were saying 546 00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:16,960 Speaker 1: they looked like Justin Bieber and Hailey Bieber, or others 547 00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:20,400 Speaker 1: thought they looked like Tommy Lee and Pamela Anderson. I mean, 548 00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:23,480 Speaker 1: I don't want to be mean, because Olivia looks stunning 549 00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:26,600 Speaker 1: in all of her outfits, but I'm not a fan 550 00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:29,439 Speaker 1: of a man in a beanie and a singlet. I 551 00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:32,680 Speaker 1: find it very contradictory to wear a beanie with a singlet. 552 00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:33,480 Speaker 2: It's fashion. 553 00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:36,480 Speaker 1: It's fashion, so it's I don't get I'm not cool 554 00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:38,800 Speaker 1: enough to get this look. His looks gave me the 555 00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:41,320 Speaker 1: ick this week. I've got a big eck on him 556 00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:44,880 Speaker 1: because he's he is very hot, Like sometimes I see 557 00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:47,640 Speaker 1: him and I'm like, Wow, good on you, Olivia, He's great. 558 00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:50,560 Speaker 1: And then other times he's getting around in these big jeans. 559 00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:52,359 Speaker 2: You don't know what's going on. It's kind of like 560 00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:55,240 Speaker 2: the Emperor's New clothes. It's kind of like people that you've. 561 00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:57,439 Speaker 1: Been tricked into thinking these clothes are great and they're not. 562 00:24:57,440 --> 00:24:59,240 Speaker 1: They're literally clothes that your dad would wear. 563 00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:00,720 Speaker 2: The speed Sonny, I. 564 00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:04,240 Speaker 1: Couldn't imagine if my boyfriend came downstairs in an outfit 565 00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:07,560 Speaker 1: like that. Is it unattractive for men to be too 566 00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:10,520 Speaker 1: into the fashion? Maybe? You know when men are like, oh, 567 00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:12,000 Speaker 1: why is that girl wearing it? And you're like, that's 568 00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:15,200 Speaker 1: really in fashion? I think it's the you know with reverse. 569 00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:15,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. 570 00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:19,400 Speaker 1: I just want Dale to wear his just jeans, jeans 571 00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:22,280 Speaker 1: that aren't too genny, they're just you know, I don't 572 00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:24,600 Speaker 1: want him to be going around in these five hundred 573 00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:25,480 Speaker 1: dollars baggy jeans. 574 00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:26,320 Speaker 2: It's not attractive. 575 00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:26,640 Speaker 3: Now. 576 00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:29,960 Speaker 1: Very awkwardly, Olivia and Jarde Tunci rocked up in the 577 00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:33,160 Speaker 1: same cobalt blue dress, and wouldn't that be your worst 578 00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:36,840 Speaker 1: nightmare at one of these shows? I actually, when I 579 00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:39,080 Speaker 1: thought about it, I was like, is this a mistake 580 00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:41,919 Speaker 1: or purposely done because I read an article where a 581 00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:45,080 Speaker 1: brand was saying that they carefully select what the influencers 582 00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:47,760 Speaker 1: in the front row wear because a majority of the 583 00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:50,520 Speaker 1: sales come from what influencers wear as opposed to what 584 00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:51,680 Speaker 1: people are wearing. 585 00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:52,440 Speaker 2: On the runway. 586 00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:55,880 Speaker 1: So maybe they really wanted this dress to take off, 587 00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:58,640 Speaker 1: so they thought it was worth dressing two very popular 588 00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:02,040 Speaker 1: influencers in it. What's quite interesting because a report by 589 00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:04,719 Speaker 1: after pay show that thirty six point eight percent of 590 00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:07,439 Speaker 1: respondents said that they would buy based on what an 591 00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:10,560 Speaker 1: influencer is wearing. Well, just twenty percent said that they 592 00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:13,280 Speaker 1: would shop a runway look. So you can see why 593 00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:17,560 Speaker 1: they have invited so many influencers to this event. However, 594 00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:21,560 Speaker 1: it erodes the actual prestigiousness. Ever really interested to see 595 00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:25,200 Speaker 1: the impact that someone like Margo Robbie would have over 596 00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:28,879 Speaker 1: an influencer, So she doesn't generally share on her Instagram 597 00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:31,240 Speaker 1: at all, but just say, for instance, a photo of 598 00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:33,359 Speaker 1: her in the Paper appeared at the Henny Show on one. 599 00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:33,960 Speaker 2: Of their outfits. 600 00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:36,560 Speaker 1: Would that outfit sell out as quick as if an 601 00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:38,600 Speaker 1: influencer had worn out and they plastered it all over 602 00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:41,800 Speaker 1: their social channels. Well, Margo Robbie isn't renowned for her 603 00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:44,760 Speaker 1: fashion choice. There's a lot of people bag out her growthing. Yeah, 604 00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:46,480 Speaker 1: so I don't know if it would be great for 605 00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:48,640 Speaker 1: Nadia Bartell and Henny Oh. 606 00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:49,840 Speaker 2: I disagree. 607 00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:52,879 Speaker 1: Think about Kate Middleton. Whenever she wears any jacket, it 608 00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:56,000 Speaker 1: sells out everywhere. It's that star power, and she's also 609 00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:57,120 Speaker 1: known as Barbie. Now. 610 00:26:57,280 --> 00:26:58,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, but I think they. 611 00:26:58,080 --> 00:27:00,360 Speaker 1: Just cut their losses and assume that some one who 612 00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:02,520 Speaker 1: is desperate to go to the event, like a Sammy 613 00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:05,600 Speaker 1: Robinson or Olivia Rogers, is going to post a lot 614 00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:09,000 Speaker 1: about what they're wearing, whereas Margot Robbie isn't likely to 615 00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:11,520 Speaker 1: post it as much. Now, did you guys notice this 616 00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:16,440 Speaker 1: the Pamela Anderson hairstyle, so that effortless nineties updue all 617 00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:18,040 Speaker 1: the influencers were wearing it. 618 00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:20,440 Speaker 2: They couldn't get enough of it. I did. 619 00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:22,560 Speaker 1: It was a bit embarrassing because everyone was wearing and 620 00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:25,240 Speaker 1: it was kind of like outfit repeating, Like Chaday and Olivia. 621 00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:28,200 Speaker 1: It was like they were trying to be ironic by thinking, oh, look, 622 00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:31,480 Speaker 1: I picked out this dude because I saw Sammy Robinson 623 00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:33,720 Speaker 1: in it, I saw Madison Wooley, I was surprised to 624 00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:36,160 Speaker 1: see her at fashion Week. I haven't seen her there before. Well, 625 00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:39,600 Speaker 1: Sammy Robinson, she put out this video showing the very 626 00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:43,720 Speaker 1: lengthy process that her hairdresser took to create this Pamela 627 00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:47,720 Speaker 1: Anderson look, and it did look great on her. It 628 00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:49,560 Speaker 1: would be hard for it not to look good on her. 629 00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:50,240 Speaker 1: Let's be honest. 630 00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:52,640 Speaker 2: I'm surprised we didn't rock up sofen you weren't. 631 00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:55,240 Speaker 1: Rocking in the Pamela. And I am not one for 632 00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:58,360 Speaker 1: a fringe. My hair takes that long to go back. 633 00:27:58,440 --> 00:27:59,520 Speaker 1: I am not risking it. 634 00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:02,280 Speaker 2: Maybe one for the wedding. Oh my god? What did 635 00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:04,280 Speaker 2: everyone think of Sammy Robinson's outfit? 636 00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:05,760 Speaker 1: And I don't even need to describe it because I 637 00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:09,000 Speaker 1: think everyone has seen those photos go viral. I don't 638 00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:11,000 Speaker 1: even think it was the outfit that looked good. I 639 00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:13,520 Speaker 1: think if you just threw a garbage bag on her, 640 00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:16,520 Speaker 1: she looked good. Her body was what was on focus. 641 00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:19,600 Speaker 1: She looked incredible. I always wonder what it's like to 642 00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:22,639 Speaker 1: have a little cannopy and a drink and then start 643 00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:25,280 Speaker 1: to get bloated and have to sit front fashion Week. 644 00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:25,880 Speaker 2: They needed some. 645 00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:28,679 Speaker 1: Bloating pills from that woman's wedding. A lot of the 646 00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:32,240 Speaker 1: discussion with Sammy's outfit was she clearly wasn't wearing underpants. 647 00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:34,879 Speaker 2: That's what everyone getting worked up. You could have your 648 00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:36,600 Speaker 2: skims underneath that. No. 649 00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:40,400 Speaker 1: Now, following last year's white powder scandal, Nadi Bartel was 650 00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:43,440 Speaker 1: back in the spotlight, with the Fashion Designers Show for 651 00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:47,120 Speaker 1: Henny being touted as the most popular event this year. 652 00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:50,320 Speaker 1: So Rebecca Judd, her good friend, was there, as well 653 00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:53,200 Speaker 1: as Math star Martha Califatitis and Phoebe Burgess. 654 00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:54,560 Speaker 2: They were kind of. 655 00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:57,040 Speaker 1: The top echelon of celebrity. 656 00:28:56,520 --> 00:28:58,920 Speaker 2: So the fact that they were there said a lot. 657 00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:02,560 Speaker 1: And Nadia's inspira for the range was eighties power dressing 658 00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:05,200 Speaker 1: with a hint of Y two K. You know last 659 00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:08,440 Speaker 1: year when Sammy Robinson had her show for one Mile 660 00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:11,440 Speaker 1: and she ran down the runway in that brown one 661 00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:14,000 Speaker 1: piece outfit looking incredible. I feel like that was a 662 00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:17,680 Speaker 1: very iconic moment of last year. Nadia had her own 663 00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:20,800 Speaker 1: iconic moment. So she was wearing an off the shoulder 664 00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:24,280 Speaker 1: cream top teamed with a silk white skirt and heels, 665 00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:26,840 Speaker 1: and when she walked down the runway there was a 666 00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:29,760 Speaker 1: massive applause. It was such a nice moment, and I 667 00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:32,440 Speaker 1: do have such a soft spot for her, So it's 668 00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:35,840 Speaker 1: good to see after a couple of shit years that 669 00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:38,080 Speaker 1: people are focusing on the good work that she's doing 670 00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:40,640 Speaker 1: because I love her clothes. I think a lot of 671 00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:43,880 Speaker 1: people have been supporting Nadia Bartell because she didn't shy 672 00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:46,920 Speaker 1: away from the white powder scandal, and I think people 673 00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:47,880 Speaker 1: have gone good on her. 674 00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:50,120 Speaker 2: She owned up to it, She's moved on. Now let's 675 00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:50,920 Speaker 2: get on with things. 676 00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:53,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think the bigger backlash was around the fact 677 00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:56,280 Speaker 1: that she was out during lockdown. But again, I think 678 00:29:56,280 --> 00:29:59,040 Speaker 1: people are moving on from the pandemic. You know what, though, 679 00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:01,800 Speaker 1: someone did try to steal the show from Nadia Bartel 680 00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:06,000 Speaker 1: at the event. So there was this really hot security 681 00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:08,480 Speaker 1: guard and he was standing in the corner. He was 682 00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:10,240 Speaker 1: dressed in a black suit. They looked like he should 683 00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:12,360 Speaker 1: have been up on the runway and a lot of 684 00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:15,320 Speaker 1: the guests were taking photos of him. The Daily Mail 685 00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:18,880 Speaker 1: described him as a hunk who was runway ready. So 686 00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:20,560 Speaker 1: I mean, I think it's the fact that there's not 687 00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:23,360 Speaker 1: too many guys who attend fashion Week, so maybe there 688 00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:25,760 Speaker 1: was a few hungry influences in the crowd thinking who 689 00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:27,480 Speaker 1: is this. Yeah, well, I think we're going to wrap 690 00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:28,880 Speaker 1: things up there because I feel like you could talk 691 00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:31,720 Speaker 1: about Australian Fashion Week for another two hours, Sophie. But 692 00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:34,000 Speaker 1: just to remind it, we will be dropping a part 693 00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:37,440 Speaker 1: three of our Skywheatly Deep Dive on Wednesday for our 694 00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:40,960 Speaker 1: Outspoken Plus subscribers. Yeah, and I really hope that everyone 695 00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:43,680 Speaker 1: enjoyed our special episode on Monday where we did a 696 00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:47,080 Speaker 1: deep dive into mitch Orville. That one was available for 697 00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:49,120 Speaker 1: all listeners. It gives you a little bit of a 698 00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:52,040 Speaker 1: taste of what is on our subscriber episodes. Now, this 699 00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:54,960 Speaker 1: podcast was recorded on the traditional land of the Ghana 700 00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:57,720 Speaker 1: people of the Adelaide Planes. We pay respect to elders 701 00:30:57,760 --> 00:31:00,240 Speaker 1: past and present, and if you've got time, please don't 702 00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:02,440 Speaker 1: forget to leave us a five star review if you 703 00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:04,640 Speaker 1: enjoy the show, because it really does help out the 704 00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:05,200 Speaker 1: podcast