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Speaker 1: Job mission with Jones and Amanda head of the Prime

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Speaker 1: Minister Scott Morrison jetting off to the Glasgow Climate Conference

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Speaker 1: kicking off on Sunday. He has announced his government's plan

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Speaker 1: to reach net zero by twenty fifty. Here to tell

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Speaker 1: us more is the Prime Minister himself, Scott Morrison.

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Speaker 2: Hello, good Amanda, good a, James, how are you. I'm good?

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Speaker 2: Looking forward to next year.

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Speaker 1: Back at chack pal nice diversion, Prime Minister. It's a

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Speaker 1: shame the Queen won't be there so you can't talk

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Speaker 1: about this with her.

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Speaker 2: It is a shame. She is the most wonderful person.

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Speaker 2: I've met her on several occasions. It's one of the

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Speaker 2: great privileges of this job is to get meet the Queen.

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Speaker 2: And I'm sad she's not well, but I hear she's

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Speaker 2: on the men but obviously she needs to take care.

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Speaker 2: But Prince Charles will be there. I'm catching up with

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Speaker 2: him while i'm there, so yeah, so it'll be an

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Speaker 2: important event.

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Speaker 1: It is an important event. And few we got over

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Speaker 1: the line with twenty fifty. I know a lot of

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Speaker 1: other countries are sort of pushing twenty thirty. There is

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Speaker 1: an urgency to this isn't there that we saw We

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Speaker 1: saw where our country on five, the whole world saw that.

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Speaker 1: I think Australia wants this to be taken seriously. But

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Speaker 1: the proposal of the plan that you gave to us

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Speaker 1: last week or earlier this week, there's nothing signed in legislation,

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Speaker 1: there's no modeling. It seems very much like a wish

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Speaker 1: rather than something that's been carefully sourced and written down.

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Speaker 1: Are you taking it seriously?

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Speaker 2: Of course we are. I don't accept any of that, Amanda. Frankly,

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Speaker 2: there's been significant modeling done by the Department of Industry, Science,

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Speaker 2: Energy and Resources. We're releasing the details of that, but

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Speaker 2: the results of that modeling is contained in the plan.

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Speaker 2: But you're right, Australia is taking it seriously because our

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Speaker 2: emissions have already fallen. They're falling. They've reduced by over

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Speaker 2: twenty percent on two thousand and five levels. Now that's

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Speaker 2: more than New Zealand, it's more than Canada, it's more

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Speaker 2: than Japan, it's more than United States. So Australia is

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Speaker 2: already outperforming many like countries, and those countries like Canada,

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Speaker 2: for sec example, have very similar economies to US, and

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Speaker 2: we're massively outperforming them by twenty thirty. I'll be taking

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Speaker 2: in our nationally determined contribution as it's called to Glasgow,

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Speaker 2: where our target is twenty six to twenty eight percent

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Speaker 2: for twenty thirty, but I'll be telling them that our

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Speaker 2: projections will hit thirty five percent reduction by twenty thirty.

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Speaker 2: And of course there is the new the new commitment,

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Speaker 2: which is a target of net zero by twenty fifty,

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Speaker 2: and we're doing that by embracing and investing in in technologies.

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Speaker 2: I think one of the biggest myths in this debate,

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Speaker 2: well there are two. One is if you actually, if

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Speaker 2: you commit to net zero by twenty fifty, well you

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Speaker 2: know everybody's you know that the economy is going to end.

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Speaker 2: That's not true. But the other myth is that you

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Speaker 2: have to go and mandate people, put taxes on them,

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Speaker 2: tell them what they have to do. That's not true either.

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Speaker 2: Technology costs are coming down massively, and if we keep

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Speaker 2: driving the costs of those technologies, whether it's on hydrogen batteries,

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Speaker 2: solar sare carbon management, all of these things, which is

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Speaker 2: all laid out in our plan, then we hit that target.

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Speaker 2: And Bill Gates himself was the one who said that

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Speaker 2: you've got to invest in the technologies that have the

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Speaker 2: long term playoff and if you try and force things

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Speaker 2: that you divert resources from those technologies which have a

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Speaker 2: much longer lead time. And so our plan respects all

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Speaker 2: of that, respects the choices of being made. It's wise

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Speaker 2: to what's happening around the world, and it means we

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Speaker 2: don't have to take people out of their jobs or

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Speaker 2: put their power bills up. I was shouting my mother

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Speaker 2: in law the other day. She's of the Pentecostal faith,

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Speaker 2: which is similar to yours, as you, was telling me

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Speaker 2: that we're at the end of days and she believes that.

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Speaker 2: Do you believe that we're at end of days? No?

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Speaker 2: But and you know, I respect everybody's opinions about those things,

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Speaker 2: and I'm for me what she's referring to. But what

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Speaker 2: this is about is just a practical plan. We've got

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Speaker 2: a practical problem, and that is we have to ensure

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Speaker 2: not just in Australia, but in countries like Indonesia, Vietnam, India,

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Speaker 2: that the technologies which will actually get their emissions down

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Speaker 2: because remember, in those countries emissions are still going up,

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Speaker 2: not like in Australia where they're coming down, or in

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Speaker 2: Europe where they're coming down. You don't address climate change

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Speaker 2: while they're coming down in countries like Australia or Europe.

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Speaker 1: With the there is a big chunk of the plan

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Speaker 1: that says future technologies. People are concerned and our universities.

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Speaker 1: Forty thousand workers in our universities lost their job, They

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Speaker 1: didn't get any job keeper Our universities have been decimated.

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Speaker 1: The CSIRO has been stripped back. Who's don't technology.

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Speaker 2: That's not true. The csirah has not been stripped back.

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Speaker 2: We've been increasing our investment in the CSIRO. We've been

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Speaker 2: backing that in heavily and we're going to keep doing that.

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Speaker 2: And we've got twenty billion dollars invested in these new

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Speaker 2: technologies being brought to book over the next decade. Let

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Speaker 2: me tell you that the targets that are going to

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Speaker 2: drive us achieving twenty fifty is we have to achieve this.

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Speaker 2: We've got to get clean hydrogen down to under two

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Speaker 2: dollars per kilogram. We need to get ultra low cost

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Speaker 2: solar in place in Australia. Has the highest rate of

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Speaker 2: to get that down to fifteen dollars per mega. What

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Speaker 2: What our We've got to be making green steel in

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Speaker 2: ourminium at at seven hundred perton for steel, twenty two

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Speaker 2: per hundred per tan for oluminium. We've got to get

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Speaker 2: carbon capture and storage which is already being achieved in

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Speaker 2: Australia under twenty dollars per ton of CO two and

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Speaker 2: saw carbon measurement under three dollars per hector pyere. Now

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Speaker 2: that's the detail that's in our plan, Amanda. That's what's

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Speaker 2: in there, and that's based on the work done by

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Speaker 2: our scientist. Alan Finkel, who was the former chief Scientist,

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Speaker 2: has also been working with us to develop technology partnerships

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Speaker 2: with Germany, with Singapore, with the United Kingdom. I'm off

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Speaker 2: to see the Prime Minister of India this weekend when

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Speaker 2: we met in Washington recently, and we're landing a technology

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Speaker 2: partnership with them. We sold this with technology. You know,

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Speaker 2: we didn't have to pass legislation to get a COVID vaccine.

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Speaker 2: The world understand the need to develop that and it

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Speaker 2: was delivered. We didn't need legislation for the iPhone. And

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Speaker 2: and the multiplication that happs in technology. You know that

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Speaker 2: you've been recovering it for a very long time. So

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Speaker 2: technology is how you do this. And the technology has

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Speaker 2: to be affordable and at scale. And when you do

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Speaker 2: that it works in Indonesia Vietnam. They're not going to

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Speaker 2: put a tax on their people there and their emissions

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Speaker 2: will keep rising. They want jobs, So we have to

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Speaker 1: It's still tax money. I know, it's very hard to say,

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Speaker 1: you know, I know you're saying we're not raising taxes

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Speaker 1: because if it's a carbon tax, so many parties and

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Speaker 1: leaders have fallen over and it's very hard to sell

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Speaker 1: that to the public. But is this this still money

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Speaker 1: from tax payers? And does it come a point where

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Speaker 1: you need to be like a good parent And this

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Speaker 1: is going to be hard, but we're going to do it.

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Speaker 1: It's like COVID, here are the rules. It's going to

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Speaker 1: be hard, but we've got to do it you can't

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Speaker 1: care about the next election. We're talking about our lives.

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Speaker 2: Well yeah, but that's assuming that a carbon tax achieves that,

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Speaker 2: and I don't agree with that. I think you don't

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Speaker 2: need a carbon tax to bring down the cost of

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Speaker 2: technology that's already happening. I mean people were talking about

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Speaker 2: that a decade ago. Things have moved on. This technology

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Speaker 2: is now real. People understand where the world's heading, and

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Speaker 2: there's hundreds of billions of dollars pouring in from institutional

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Speaker 2: funds all around the world into these new technology projects,

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Speaker 2: particularly on hydrogen, and Australians are investing that in that here.

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Speaker 2: I mean Andrew Forrest, of our most successful entrepreneur miners,

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Speaker 2: is pouring hundreds of millions of dollars into these projects

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Speaker 2: in hydrogen. In his own operations, he now has hydrogen

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Speaker 2: This is already happening and Australia is already leading the way.

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Speaker 2: The myth here is is you have to punish people

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Speaker 2: and have to legislate people and seek to control their

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Speaker 2: lives to achieve this. Australians are doing it and that's

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Speaker 2: the path, that's the Australian way. That's my point. So

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Speaker 2: there's much new. As Angus Taylor said, there is much new.

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Speaker 1: Well, look, we wish you well and I think yes,

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Speaker 1: Australia really needs to step up. And I'm so glad

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Speaker 1: we got the Nationals over the line the twenty fifty

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Speaker 1: and we wish you well in Glasgow.

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Speaker 2: Well, I thank you for that, Amanda. Bringing the government

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Speaker 2: together on this has been a big task and I'm

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Speaker 2: glad we have because I'm glad with the direction we're taking.

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Speaker 2: I know people feel really strongly about this and we

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Speaker 2: can do this together. We just got to keep going

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Speaker 2: forward together. Thanks very much for your time, and there's

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Speaker 2: always the Sharks next year. Up up, up, Thank you.

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Speaker 1: Prime is discovered Marris in

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Speaker 2: There, Jonesy and Amanda's SA