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Speaker 1: it does look exactly as you'd expect, I think, But look.

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Speaker 1: The situation then further escalated, with survivor Anthony Bullock now

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Speaker 1: line right now, Good morning, Anthony.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, good morning, Katie.

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Speaker 1: How are you Ye're not too bad? Now? What exactly

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Speaker 2: Well, I think it's really important, Katie, just to go

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Speaker 2: the Albanese in law of Governments will honor the memory

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Speaker 2: the federal government contributed six hundred thousand to the Anti

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Speaker 2: and on that basis they've reneged. The strong feeling is

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Speaker 2: they are doing something completely different now. Thankfully to your

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Speaker 2: the change the story has changed far too many times

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Speaker 2: I'm calling on Luke Gosling and Lea Fanocchiario, Chief Miness

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Speaker 2: If this is a memorial for a monument, I should

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Speaker 1: Well, yeah, and you know a lot of like a

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, Look, even though the mayor is part of a

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Speaker 2: He has to accept responsibility. He's come on to the radio,

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Speaker 2: And that's not good enough, Katie. This should have been

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Speaker 1: Well, Anthony, we are going to be speaking to him

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Speaker 2: Yes, absolutely, Katie, Yep, tomorrow at about two thirty three o'clock.

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Speaker 2: And as I said, it's not just from survivors, Katie,

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Speaker 1: How did you go in the end in terms of

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Speaker 2: We came to a stalemate. I firmly believe we're the

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Speaker 1: Anthony matt In Darwin's just message through and said, how's

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Speaker 1: Are you writing a book as well? I?

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Speaker 2: Okay, the sixty four thousand dollars question. I always in

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Speaker 2: But when that time comes, hopefully it gets resolved, that

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Speaker 1: Hey, Anthony, But yeah, well fair enough. We'll let us

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Speaker 1: So well, Anthony, let us know how it goes. I'll

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Speaker 2: Sure, that would be fantastic, Katie. And again, thanks so

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Speaker 1: Well, and look, you know, to me, whether you love

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Speaker 2: Perfect absolutely well, we'll keep on top of it then

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Speaker 2: hour or so. Just as people walk in they let us,

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Speaker 2: we'll let them know that we're object to this and

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Speaker 2: we're doing it again on Saturday morning at the front

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Speaker 2: of the Ski Club where that's the commemoration for the

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Speaker 2: public at that stage, and again will just basically be

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Speaker 2: there letting people know that you know, this hasn't hasn't

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Speaker 2: have been community consultation.

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Speaker 1: Well, Anthony Bullock really appreciate your time this morning. Thanks

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Speaker 1: so much for having a chat with us.

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Speaker 2: Katie, thank you, and thank you to everybody else who

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Speaker 2: supported us.

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Speaker 1: Thank you