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Speaker 1: On today's show, Taylor Swift hard launches her new romance

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Speaker 1: with an NFL star, Olivia Rodgers X is dating another

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Speaker 1: Bachelor contestant, and Jemma Pernita left terrified after a series

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Speaker 1: of ransom notes. Hello, and welcome to Outspoken. It's your

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Speaker 1: dose of the hottest influencer and pop culture news twice

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Speaker 1: a week. I'm Sophie Gilbert, and I'm going to cop

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Speaker 1: a lot of flak for bringing this story to the table,

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Speaker 1: but I thought it was pretty funny because an expert

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Speaker 1: has come out and told us how often we should

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Speaker 1: be washing our towers. Now, I want to know how

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Speaker 1: often is this happening in your households. I'm not on

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Speaker 1: a schedule or anything like. I probably just wash it

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Speaker 1: when it feels like it smells a bit, so it

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Speaker 1: could be a couple of weeks or a month. Yes,

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Speaker 1: our towers are getting to a point where they desperately

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Speaker 1: need a wash, but I'm assuming you're supposed to wash them.

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Speaker 1: Is it once a week? Well? I copped a lot

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Speaker 1: of messages when I admitted that sometimes in my house

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Speaker 1: it gets to a situation where my partner and I

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Speaker 1: are sharing a towel.

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Speaker 2: I don't know how it happens.

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Speaker 1: I love that you say it often happens. I feel

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Speaker 1: like this is an everyday thing.

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Speaker 2: Well, to put it out there.

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Speaker 1: My partner lived at home when we first met, and

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Speaker 1: we used to laugh because he would use a new

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Speaker 1: towel every time he had a shower. So his mum

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Speaker 1: had this fully stocked cupboard, and he would even get

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Speaker 1: towers if it was in winter, and he put them

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Speaker 1: on the grounds we didn't have to step on the cold.

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Speaker 2: So I want to blame him.

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Speaker 1: I feel like he goes through the towels quickly and

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Speaker 1: then suddenly steals my towel. Interesting, but how many towers

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Speaker 1: do you actually own? Because I immediately use Sheridan towers

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Speaker 1: and they're bloody expensive. So I've got one new one

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Speaker 1: and then one crap one that's probably like fifteen years

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Speaker 1: old that I'll use when the other ones in the world.

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Speaker 1: When Brandon and I moved in together, we bought the

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Speaker 1: shittiest towels from Kama and they're those tiny ones, barely

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Speaker 1: no no no. But then this year we're like, we've

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Speaker 1: got to buy ourselves a nice tower, so we each

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Speaker 1: bought ourselves the larger towers, so that's the warge no

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Speaker 1: no no from like Mayra or somewhere. So those are

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Speaker 1: the ones that get stolen and we kind of use

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Speaker 1: back and forth. Yeah, Dayla and I the sheet towels,

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Speaker 1: we've got country road ones and they're the ones we

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Speaker 1: kind of use all the time. But then you've always

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Speaker 1: got those draggy towels that are in your cupboards. So

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Speaker 1: how many times are you meant to be washing your towel? Well,

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Speaker 1: apparently it's every three days. And what's worse is if

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Speaker 1: you are having two showers a day or multiple showers

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Speaker 1: during the day, you should wash that towel every twenty

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Speaker 1: four hours. Well, how are you meant to do that?

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Speaker 1: Because whenever I wash my towel, it takes days in

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Speaker 1: winter to dry it.

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Speaker 2: I don't have a dryer.

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Speaker 1: Do you know What's even worse is apparently, if you've

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Speaker 1: got a really thick lux towel, I assume like yours

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Speaker 1: from country road amy is sometimes you can think that

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Speaker 1: that towel is dry, but apparently they take days to dry,

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Speaker 1: and it can be even worse because there's all this

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Speaker 1: yucky bacteria living in it. Anytime these reports come out,

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Speaker 1: there's always some really disturbing finding that there's like feces

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Speaker 1: on your towel or something. Is that kind of what

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Speaker 1: they're saying.

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Speaker 2: The expert did.

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Speaker 1: Say that as well as washing your towel this many times,

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Speaker 1: you should also do a deep clean once a month.

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Speaker 1: So what the deep clean involves is basically submerging your

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Speaker 2: So that he can get rid of all of the bacteria.

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Speaker 1: So you're so, did you say that once a month? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Is anyone doing this?

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Speaker 1: I want to know of our listeners, is anyone sticking

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Speaker 1: by these rules or are we just pigs? I feel

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Speaker 1: like the only people that would be doing this is

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Speaker 1: those people on TikTok who literally just post about cleaning

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Speaker 2: That's a bit of a flex, isn't it.

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Speaker 1: It is.

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Speaker 3: Forty seven.

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Speaker 1: Olivia Rogers' ex husband Justin McKean has continued his trend

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Speaker 1: of dating ex Bachelor contestants. Over the weekend, he hard

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Speaker 1: launched his relationship with Tarny Leeson, who appeared on Jimmy

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Speaker 2: Of The Bachelor.

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Speaker 1: As soon as I saw this, photo I quickly forwarded

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Speaker 1: onto you guys because it was a photo of Ziggy,

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Speaker 1: which is Justin's dog, So he used to share it

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Speaker 1: thought if that was me and I was seeing my

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Speaker 2: That would be a dagger through the heart.

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Speaker 1: I thought it was interesting she chose to launch their

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Speaker 1: relationship with a picture of Ziggy because he was quite

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Speaker 1: a divisive part of their breakup, because it was clear

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Speaker 1: Olivia wanted to keep him and Justin has kind of

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Speaker 2: Get at her.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, you guys have been calling it a soft launch.

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Speaker 1: I feel like a soft launch is someone's arm or

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Speaker 1: you could see Justin's leg sharing Ziggy.

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Speaker 2: This is more of a hard launch.

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Speaker 1: Everybody knows that dog. Well it's yeah, it's a way

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Speaker 1: to tell the public that he's mine because this dog,

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Speaker 1: it's a chow chow, it's a very recognizable dog, has

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Speaker 1: a large social media following. Yeah, well, Justin didn't take

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Speaker 1: long to actually hard launch the relationship put on his

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Speaker 1: own Instagram, so he ended up sharing Tiny's original post

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Speaker 1: of Ziggy, and then he also shared a photo of

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Speaker 1: him and Tarany together. It was quite a strange photo.

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Speaker 1: It wasn't a romantic picture. It was Tany doing a

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Speaker 1: weird hand signal, and he captioned it, here's to me

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Speaker 1: trying to get a nice photo and tings. It gave

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Speaker 1: me the absolutely it came using the word tings. Do

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Speaker 1: we find it amusing that he shared that photo because

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Speaker 1: it's that trend of men always sharing these horrible photos

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Speaker 1: of women that we would never want shared to the

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Speaker 1: general public. I also thought it was very different to

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Speaker 1: the sort of content that he would share with Olivia,

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Speaker 1: because Olivia seems so put together and is always dressed

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's very curated.

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Speaker 1: And this just seemed like, Oh, Tarany's fun and outgoing. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I feel like it was a comment on their relationship

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Speaker 1: a romantic relationship. I'm not really that familiar with Tarny

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Speaker 1: because I didn't watch Jimmy series of The Bachelor, but

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Speaker 1: apparently she left in quite controversial circumstances. So she overheard

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Speaker 1: one of the other contestants, Jay, having a conversation with

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Speaker 1: another contestant saying that she hoped that she was the

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Speaker 1: Tarani ended up telling Jimmy about it, but Jimmy sided

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Speaker 1: with Jay rather than her, So she's a bit of

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Speaker 1: a snitch. Well yeah, but I think she was doing

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Speaker 1: the right thing. Yeah, no, so do I. It's funny

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Speaker 1: because no one seems to do well out of the

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Speaker 1: Bachelor anymore. I feel like it's such a flop and

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Speaker 1: now I get well, this gwy Tafiel No, but I'm

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Speaker 1: saying now the past couple of series, no one gets

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Speaker 1: girl was. I mean, she looked familiar, because I feel

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Speaker 1: And it's even more interesting because a couple of months

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Speaker 1: ago we reported on the fact that Justin was in

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Speaker 1: a love triangle with two other Bachelor contestants from the

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Speaker 1: most recent series of the show. And it was actually

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Speaker 1: so dramatic that reported that Justin was dating Lea Cummins

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Speaker 1: an appearance at a boxing match. Now. Leah later confirmed

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Speaker 1: in August that she had been dating Justin, and she

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Speaker 1: labeled it disappointing so she told the advertiser that Justin

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Speaker 1: wasn't who he made himself out to be, and went

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Speaker 1: on to say, Unfortunately, I see the best in people

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Speaker 1: and it was disappointing when this was proved wrong. I

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Speaker 1: would assume that Justin has been dating all these Bachelor

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Speaker 1: contestants because they would be going to all of the

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Speaker 1: same events. I feel like since the breakup with Olivia,

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Speaker 1: Justin has become an influence himself, so he would be like,

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Speaker 1: he's always at barber Yeah, he's always there. And also

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Speaker 1: a lot of these Bachelor contestants in the most recent series,

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Speaker 1: they all haven't attracted the type of following they would

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Speaker 1: have liked to. So I think that Justin looks even

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Speaker 1: more attractive to them because they're like, oh, he dated Olivia,

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Speaker 2: A bit of a profile.

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Speaker 1: And I suppose both of them don't have huge profiles,

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Speaker 3: A cutout note like ransom style, like that strip of

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Speaker 3: paper with printed typer and it said hope your day

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Speaker 3: is as nice as your peach emoji.

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Speaker 1: Australian influencer and podcaster Jemma Pernita has revealed she was

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Speaker 1: left terrified after receiving a number of strange packages sent

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Speaker 1: to a home address now Amy. Jemma was so concerned

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Speaker 1: What was actually inside these packages? Well, the first package

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Speaker 1: a cutout ransom style note that read hope your day

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Speaker 1: a tin of home brand peaches, alongside another ransom style

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Speaker 1: On both of these parcels, there was no return center,

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Speaker 1: and this has when Jemma started to freak out. Now,

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Speaker 1: obviously Gemma would receive a lot of PR packages, but

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Speaker 1: she said this one was very different. The sachets weren't

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Speaker 1: sent in a beautiful PR box. They were just thrown

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Speaker 1: It was also alarming because the items themselves were really cheap.

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Speaker 1: You know, a can of peaches cost what a dollar

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Speaker 1: or probably like five in this cost of li price. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but then each of the packages cost fifteen dollars express

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Speaker 1: post to send, which was really odd. The only identifying

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Speaker 1: the Bondi Post Office. I can understand why she was

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Speaker 1: in basically your ass. It's so sexual of nature, and

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Speaker 1: you're just like, who the fuck is sending me this.

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Speaker 1: I actually was trying to work out who Gemma was

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Speaker 1: because she looked so familiar to me, and I did

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Speaker 1: a Google and I realized that she used to be

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Speaker 1: Jade on Neighbors. Do you guys remember that I was.

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Speaker 2: At Sonya's sister. Yeah, yeah, she was a personal trainer.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Because I kept seeing her live show pop up

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Speaker 1: on my newsfeed, so yeah, and I was like, who

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Speaker 1: but I couldn't piece it together. Well, she goes as

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Speaker 1: Gemma Peenat on Instagram and she does share a lot

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Speaker 1: So clearly this was a blatant attempt at gorilla marketing

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Speaker 2: But I don't quite understand why.

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Speaker 1: Anyone or any influencer would post for free a tin

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Speaker 1: What is? And then the big revealers, Oh, it's a buttlert.

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Speaker 1: When you approach a large influencer, even if it is

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Speaker 2: I love the fact that there were five.

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Speaker 1: Packages as well, because can you imagine the supposed marketing

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Speaker 1: I actually went and had a look at this sex

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Speaker 1: So it looks like they're just trying to do anything

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Speaker 1: We said last week, where there's smoke, there's fire, and

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Speaker 1: bit strange because her relationship with Joe Olwen was so

437
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Speaker 1: private and this is just so public. But maybe that

438
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Speaker 1: was Joe's wishes.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Well, there were actually rumors going around Dumi that apparently

441
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Speaker 1: she contacted the club and requested that she sit behind

442
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Speaker 1: tinted windows.

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Speaker 2: So a lot of people are.

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Speaker 1: Saying that perhaps she was reacting in the way she

445
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Speaker 1: did because she thought that she was actually concealed and

446
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Speaker 1: couldn't be seen. I don't think so, because she was

447
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Speaker 1: so avert. There's also a video of her walking around

448
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Speaker 1: the change rooms next to him. I think that this

449
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Speaker 1: is all a bit of a PR stunt today.

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Speaker 2: No it's not.

451
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Speaker 1: I love this and I love that she is being

452
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Speaker 1: so public with it because we're almost getting this fly

453
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Speaker 1: on the wall.

454
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Speaker 2: Look at this relationship.

455
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Speaker 1: We haven't seen anything four years and I think that

456
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Speaker 1: we're going to be even more heavily invested in.

457
00:21:03,240 --> 00:21:04,720
Speaker 2: The love songs that are going to come out.

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Speaker 1: And I'm not saying that in a bad way that

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Speaker 1: I think it's a publicity stun because I'm here for

460
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Speaker 1: this relationship. I just think it is such an interesting

461
00:21:12,600 --> 00:21:15,800
Speaker 1: move to have had a complete pr switch, going from

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Speaker 1: not talking about someone that you've been with for six years,

463
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Speaker 1: then breaking up, and suddenly your relationship with Matt Healey

464
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Speaker 1: is so public, your relationship with Travis Kelsey. So I

465
00:21:23,880 --> 00:21:26,520
Speaker 1: got to remember that when Taylor went quiet, she went

466
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Speaker 1: quiet everywhere. She wasn't releasing new music. It was also

467
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Speaker 1: over she read three albums while she was with you

468
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Speaker 1: You've Got It, but Drema, she went quiet for that

469
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Speaker 1: period of time. And also, if you're Taylor Swift, you're

470
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Speaker 1: being followed every moment of your life. This relationship is

471
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Speaker 1: already being talked about in the media. I mean, Kelsey's

472
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Speaker 1: brothers even talking about it, So I kind of feel

473
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Speaker 1: like they went, well, fuck it, let's go out and

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Speaker 1: we can be seen together. Everyone knows where day and

475
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Speaker 1: she's talked about that a lot in her songs. However,

476
00:21:55,119 --> 00:21:58,359
Speaker 1: as a society we've really evolved now, and I don't

477
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Speaker 1: think that we see women particular in the same way,

478
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Speaker 1: and I think that everyone's like, go Taylor instead of

479
00:22:04,520 --> 00:22:07,160
Speaker 1: judging all that was quick. They also look really good

480
00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:10,200
Speaker 1: together as well. I did laugh because I came across

481
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Speaker 1: this video from one of the Gala supporters. So if

482
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Speaker 1: you're not familiar with that trend, there's a community of

483
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Speaker 1: people that think that Taylor Swift is secretly gay and

484
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Speaker 1: that she had a relationship with Carly Kloss. This is

485
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Speaker 1: despite Taylor coming out time and time again and denying

486
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Speaker 1: it and saying these are my friends. I found the

487
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Speaker 1: whole thing really gross though, the way that people were

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Speaker 1: almost trying to out her sexuality, which she made it

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Speaker 1: quite clear.

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Speaker 2: She didn't want to talk about it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I didn't really like that either.

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Speaker 1: But anyway, this video was quite funny because it was

494
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Speaker 1: this woman talking and in the background it was a

495
00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:42,359
Speaker 1: big picture of Travis Kelsey and she's like, no, not

496
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Speaker 1: this guy, not this football loser. I keep getting fifteen

497
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Speaker 1: in my head, which is her song where it's like,

498
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Speaker 1: you do things greater than dating the boy on the

499
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Speaker 1: football team. But I kind of loved this era for

500
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Speaker 1: Taylor Swift because it's just fun I did see someone

501
00:22:56,440 --> 00:22:59,440
Speaker 1: label it her wag Era, and I'm like, come on now,

502
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Speaker 1: I just I think everyone's so pleased that she's not

503
00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:04,520
Speaker 1: dating Matt Healey that everyone's getting around this. Yeah, it

504
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Speaker 1: is pretty funny because Taylor's appearance at this Chief game

505
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Speaker 1: has totally eclipsed the NFL's announcement that Usher will be

506
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Speaker 1: headlining the Super Bowl halftime show. And it's pretty ironic

507
00:23:15,119 --> 00:23:19,040
Speaker 1: because Kim Kardashian was actually involved in the Usher announcement,

508
00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:21,439
Speaker 1: so she appeared in one of the promo videos on

509
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Speaker 1: the phone to Usher saying that he'd gotten the gig.

510
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Speaker 1: And it's even more ironic considering that Kim and Kanye

511
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Speaker 1: had that big argument with Taylor Swift over the song

512
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Speaker 1: Famous and that they leaked that vision on the phone

513
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Speaker 1: to Kim. I feel like it's the biggest fuck you

514
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Speaker 1: from Taylor give him. Probably like I've got the biggest

515
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Speaker 1: NFL story coming out. But surely people don't actually think, Oh,

516
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Speaker 1: Taylor's gone to this game just to upstage this announcement. No,

517
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Speaker 1: I don't think so. But I feel like swifties will

518
00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:47,879
Speaker 1: be reading into the timing of this. I'm just so

519
00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:50,960
Speaker 1: excited to hear more about this relationship because I think

520
00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:53,359
Speaker 1: he could be the real deal. Well, someone actually wrote

521
00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:55,600
Speaker 1: on TikTok, this is going to be true love or

522
00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:59,800
Speaker 1: the absolute best motherfucking album. Just as we're recording this,

523
00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:02,600
Speaker 1: someone has sent through that the outfit the Travis wore

524
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Speaker 1: in the change room with Taylor Swift, it was this

525
00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:07,320
Speaker 1: white denim outfit with sort of blue flex.

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Speaker 2: They've looked it up and it's called the nineteen eighty

527
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Speaker 2: nine paint set. So it seems like.

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Speaker 1: This could be a bit of publicity. No, but as

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Speaker 1: I said, it is a massive pr stunt. Taylor Swift

530
00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:23,159
Speaker 1: doesn't just put things out there. She thinks through everything

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Speaker 1: that she does. Everything is strategic and we will find

532
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Speaker 1: out the meaning behind this whole relationship reveal and everything

533
00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:32,639
Speaker 1: very soon. But Okay, I don't know if that's one

534
00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:35,240
Speaker 1: hundred percent true. As a Swifty, I feel like you're

535
00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:38,640
Speaker 1: sounding quite cynical. Could it just be that these two

536
00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:41,560
Speaker 1: are really into each other and maybe in the celebrity

537
00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:44,520
Speaker 1: world this is the kind of cutesy stuff they do, Like,

538
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Speaker 1: I'm really liking this girl, so I'm gonna wear a

539
00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:49,520
Speaker 1: set that's a ninety to eighty nine. She clearly gifted

540
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Speaker 1: her the Kansas City Merch. Yeah, maybe she's paid. The

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Speaker 1: favorite thought, well, we're gonna be seeing together, you may

542
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Speaker 1: as well be wearing a little easter egg.

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Speaker 2: I think you're being very naive.

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Speaker 1: And he did come out in an interview before Taylor

545
00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:06,080
Speaker 1: appeared at the game saying, well, I've seen her big show,

546
00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:08,320
Speaker 1: so she's going to come see mine. So there were clues.

547
00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:10,720
Speaker 1: Have the main reasons why I have so much anxiety

548
00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:12,679
Speaker 1: going outside and meeting people that knew me from the

549
00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:14,919
Speaker 1: internet is because almost every single time I go outside,

550
00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:18,199
Speaker 1: I get sexually assaulted. A violent brawl erupted at the

551
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Speaker 1: Listen Out Festival over the weekend after a female festival

552
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Speaker 1: goer allegedly sexually assaulted TikToker and OnlyFans creator Michaela tester Sophie.

553
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Speaker 1: What happened, Well, Mikayla and her pa Alisha were at

554
00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:34,639
Speaker 1: the festival went out of nowhere. A woman ran towards

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Speaker 1: Michaela from behind and slapped her so hard on the

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Speaker 1: bum that it left a bruised handprint mark. Now, the

557
00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:44,879
Speaker 1: woman was with two friends, one female and one male,

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Speaker 1: who were filming the incident, presumably for social media Now.

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Speaker 1: This happened in front of hundreds of festival goers, and

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Speaker 1: Mikayla said she was in complete shock because she didn't

561
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Speaker 1: know the group of people. They didn't try and greet

562
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Speaker 1: her prior to this or make their existence known to her,

563
00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:02,840
Speaker 1: and the attack came from behind and the hit was

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00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:05,399
Speaker 1: so hard that she even checked to see if there

565
00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:07,639
Speaker 1: was blood on her pants because she just didn't know

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Speaker 1: what had gone off. She actually ended up sharing a

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Speaker 1: photo of the festival goers on her TikTok and put

568
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Speaker 1: them on blasts, saying a bbl is not an invitation

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Speaker 1: for people to put their hands on her. She then

570
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Speaker 1: went on to share more details about the alleged assault,

571
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Speaker 1: saying that after it happened, she didn't know if the

572
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Speaker 1: woman was a fan, so she said, in her nicest voice,

573
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Speaker 1: please can you never scare me like that again, and

574
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Speaker 1: then reiterated, please don't ever touch me again. This is

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Speaker 1: where things really turned because the woman started to get

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Speaker 1: really aggressive and said that it was a compliment and that's.

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Speaker 2: How she should take it.

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Speaker 1: And according to Mikayla, the woman appeared to be under

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Speaker 1: the influence of drugs and alcohol and she kept trying

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Speaker 1: to abuse her, so Mikayla thought she would just walk

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Speaker 1: off and leave it. However, the heckling started to get

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00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:53,879
Speaker 1: worse and the male friend started to get involved and

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00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:56,600
Speaker 1: said she has a BBL and doesn't want people to

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Speaker 1: touch it. What the fuck that bitch needs to learn

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Speaker 1: how to take could compliment. So this was the final straw.

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00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:06,360
Speaker 1: Her pa Alisha turned around and got involved and they

587
00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:09,040
Speaker 1: told the group that this is a sexual assault and

588
00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:12,760
Speaker 1: ask them why they're filming this incident on their phones now.

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Speaker 1: The woman allegedly then got in Michayla's face and pushed her,

590
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Speaker 1: and this is where things got out of control because

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00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:22,120
Speaker 1: Michayla pushed her back, and then Michaela said that her

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00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:26,280
Speaker 1: pa Alisha acted like an animal, inferring that things really

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00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:28,879
Speaker 1: got physical. So Michayla had a bruised jaw and she

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Speaker 1: seemed quite shaken by the incident. This is so disturbing

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00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:34,639
Speaker 1: that people think because a woman has a BBL that

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00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:37,760
Speaker 1: they have any right to touch her and just treat

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00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:41,160
Speaker 1: her like a piece of meat or a product, because

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00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:44,719
Speaker 1: she obviously has a big following on OnlyFans and social media,

599
00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:47,800
Speaker 1: and there is this parasocial relationship that people have between her,

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Speaker 1: but the fact that they think it's okay to go

601
00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:52,080
Speaker 1: do this is very disturbing. Well, she said it's getting

602
00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:54,280
Speaker 1: to the point that she's too anxious to leave her

603
00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:56,800
Speaker 1: house because anytime she leaves her house, she says, she

604
00:27:56,840 --> 00:27:58,080
Speaker 1: gets sexually assaulted.

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Speaker 2: She said that it's.

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Speaker 1: Happening a lot in daylight as well. She'll be on

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00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:04,360
Speaker 1: the street or in a nightclub or even when she's

608
00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:08,440
Speaker 1: on holidays, so it's a situation that's becoming increasingly dangerous

609
00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:10,840
Speaker 1: for her. Well, Abby Chatfield she spoke about it a

610
00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:13,080
Speaker 1: few months ago and said that when she goes out,

611
00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:15,480
Speaker 1: women will think it's okay to come up and slap

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00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:18,159
Speaker 1: her on the ars and touch her. So it's interesting

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Speaker 1: to analyze why some women see these actions as okay.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Well, I remember going out when we were in our

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Speaker 1: twenties and men would come up and just slap you

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Speaker 1: on the ars, and you were meant to take that

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00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:30,440
Speaker 1: as a complete compliment, and if you ever said anything back.

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Speaker 2: It was like, oh, what the fuck.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I don't think it's a good enough argument to say, oh,

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Speaker 1: it doesn't matter because a woman did it, That doesn't

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Speaker 1: make a single difference at all. It's an unwanted physical

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Speaker 1: touch by a stranger, and it's no less intimidating or

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Speaker 1: menacing if it's a man or a woman. Well that's

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Speaker 1: all we've got time for today. Thanks for joining us

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Speaker 1: for another episode. If you do want to hear more

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Speaker 2: This episode was recorded.

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Speaker 1: On the traditional land of the Ghana people of the

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Speaker 1: Adelaide Plains.

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Speaker 2: We pay respect to elders past and present,