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It's Wednesday, 12 00:00:39,400 --> 00:00:41,920 Speaker 3: the sixth of August. I'm Emma Gillespie. 13 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:43,920 Speaker 2: I'm Billy fit Simon's, a. 14 00:00:43,840 --> 00:00:48,560 Speaker 3: New denim ad featuring actress Sidney Sweeney, has sparked major 15 00:00:48,560 --> 00:00:52,520 Speaker 3: controversy over recent weeks over what critics say are references 16 00:00:52,600 --> 00:00:57,560 Speaker 3: to white supremacist messaging. The ad has divided opinion online 17 00:00:57,600 --> 00:01:02,280 Speaker 3: and drawn responses from major political figures, including Donald Trump. 18 00:01:02,800 --> 00:01:06,200 Speaker 3: The controversy centers around the language used in the campaign 19 00:01:06,319 --> 00:01:10,560 Speaker 3: and questions about beauty standards in advertising. Today, we are 20 00:01:10,560 --> 00:01:13,399 Speaker 3: breaking down everything you need to know about this viral ad, 21 00:01:13,440 --> 00:01:17,600 Speaker 3: from what happened to why people are upset, the political response, 22 00:01:17,840 --> 00:01:25,640 Speaker 3: and the ongoing fallout. Billy I think to start off with, 23 00:01:25,800 --> 00:01:29,120 Speaker 3: most of our audience do know who Sidney Sweeney is, 24 00:01:29,240 --> 00:01:33,000 Speaker 3: But just in case for anyone listening who doesn't, what 25 00:01:33,040 --> 00:01:34,560 Speaker 3: do we need to know about her? So? 26 00:01:34,640 --> 00:01:38,720 Speaker 1: Sidney Sweeney is an American actress. She is best known 27 00:01:38,800 --> 00:01:42,199 Speaker 1: for her roles in Euphoria and also in The White 28 00:01:42,240 --> 00:01:45,800 Speaker 1: Lotus season one. Yes, well I didn't watch that season, 29 00:01:45,840 --> 00:01:49,920 Speaker 1: so I'm actually not that familiar Sidney Sweeney. But what 30 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:52,840 Speaker 1: I do know her from is the film Anyone But You, 31 00:01:53,120 --> 00:01:56,400 Speaker 1: which was filmed in Australia, And so I feel like 32 00:01:56,520 --> 00:01:59,000 Speaker 1: a lot of Australians know her, if not from those 33 00:01:59,440 --> 00:02:00,440 Speaker 1: TV she's. 34 00:02:00,320 --> 00:02:03,520 Speaker 3: Not from those massive successes. They might know her from 35 00:02:03,560 --> 00:02:06,040 Speaker 3: many month for You, but she spent many months here. 36 00:02:06,200 --> 00:02:08,959 Speaker 3: She filmed in Sydney for a long time. That is correct. 37 00:02:09,280 --> 00:02:12,519 Speaker 3: Maybe what is lesser known for an Australian audience though, 38 00:02:12,840 --> 00:02:15,520 Speaker 3: is American Eagle. What's American Eagle? 39 00:02:15,680 --> 00:02:17,519 Speaker 2: Yes, so they are a fashion brand. 40 00:02:17,639 --> 00:02:20,480 Speaker 1: They produce jeans and denim, and I think for the 41 00:02:20,520 --> 00:02:22,120 Speaker 1: purposes of this, that's basically what. 42 00:02:22,080 --> 00:02:24,120 Speaker 2: You need to know about them. They are a jeens brand. 43 00:02:24,200 --> 00:02:27,679 Speaker 3: Okay, now let's start with the ad itself. What can 44 00:02:27,720 --> 00:02:29,320 Speaker 3: you see in this ad. What is it showing? 45 00:02:29,680 --> 00:02:33,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, so there are multiple different ads. They all show 46 00:02:33,360 --> 00:02:37,040 Speaker 1: Sydney Sweeney. Sometimes she's lying down, she's walking around, she's 47 00:02:37,080 --> 00:02:40,480 Speaker 1: wearing the jeans and all of the ads. Here is 48 00:02:40,520 --> 00:02:43,880 Speaker 1: some audio from just one of those ads. Gans are 49 00:02:43,880 --> 00:02:47,880 Speaker 1: passed down from parents to aspring, often determining traits like 50 00:02:47,960 --> 00:02:51,200 Speaker 1: her color, personality and eve an eye color. 51 00:02:53,960 --> 00:02:57,799 Speaker 2: My gens are blue, Sydney's Tweeney hasburg Keynes. 52 00:02:58,000 --> 00:03:01,720 Speaker 1: And you'll hear there the word play with jeans as 53 00:03:01,800 --> 00:03:04,760 Speaker 1: in j E A n s ye and jeans as 54 00:03:04,800 --> 00:03:07,560 Speaker 1: in g E N E S. I don't know how 55 00:03:07,600 --> 00:03:10,679 Speaker 1: that sounds for an audio platform, but genetics, Yes, I 56 00:03:11,280 --> 00:03:12,560 Speaker 1: think you get where I'm going. 57 00:03:13,080 --> 00:03:15,840 Speaker 2: And so it's a play on words there. 58 00:03:16,560 --> 00:03:19,680 Speaker 1: Now, again, for anyone who's not familiar with Sidney Sweeney, 59 00:03:19,840 --> 00:03:22,919 Speaker 1: she is a white woman. She has blonde hair, and 60 00:03:22,960 --> 00:03:25,680 Speaker 1: she has blue eyes, which they reference in the audio 61 00:03:25,680 --> 00:03:27,799 Speaker 1: that you just heard. And I think you can pretty 62 00:03:27,960 --> 00:03:31,120 Speaker 1: safely assume that the inference in this ad is that 63 00:03:31,200 --> 00:03:35,600 Speaker 1: she is a conventionally attractive woman, and they're really playing 64 00:03:35,640 --> 00:03:36,280 Speaker 1: into that here. 65 00:03:36,560 --> 00:03:38,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, I would go as far to say as Sydney 66 00:03:38,920 --> 00:03:44,160 Speaker 3: Sweeney is a famously conventionally beautiful woman exactly. So there's 67 00:03:44,200 --> 00:03:47,000 Speaker 3: that play on words there, genes as in denim jens 68 00:03:47,080 --> 00:03:48,360 Speaker 3: and genes as in genetics. 69 00:03:48,440 --> 00:03:51,440 Speaker 1: That's a better way of explaining it than the spelling. 70 00:03:51,360 --> 00:03:52,680 Speaker 2: That I did, Billy. 71 00:03:53,280 --> 00:03:55,760 Speaker 3: Why are people upset about the ad? 72 00:03:56,160 --> 00:03:56,360 Speaker 2: Yeah? 73 00:03:56,400 --> 00:03:59,760 Speaker 1: So critics on social media say that the great genes 74 00:03:59,840 --> 00:04:04,600 Speaker 1: for as in the genetics phrasing, combined with Sweeney's appearance, 75 00:04:05,160 --> 00:04:10,520 Speaker 1: really echoes white supremacist language that promotes eugenics. Now, eugenics 76 00:04:10,640 --> 00:04:15,280 Speaker 1: is a debunked theory that claims selective breeding can create. 77 00:04:15,040 --> 00:04:18,160 Speaker 2: A superior race. You likely would have heard it when 78 00:04:18,200 --> 00:04:19,400 Speaker 2: it comes to Nazis. 79 00:04:19,440 --> 00:04:23,280 Speaker 1: It's really an idea that fueled Nazi ideology and it 80 00:04:23,360 --> 00:04:28,120 Speaker 1: remains popular among alt rite groups today. To give you 81 00:04:28,160 --> 00:04:31,440 Speaker 1: an idea of kind of the commentary that is happening 82 00:04:31,520 --> 00:04:36,680 Speaker 1: online around this ad, one person said the American Eagles 83 00:04:36,720 --> 00:04:39,680 Speaker 1: ad wasn't just a commercial, It was a love letter 84 00:04:39,760 --> 00:04:44,120 Speaker 1: to white nationalism and eugenic fantasies, and Sydney Sweeney knew it. 85 00:04:44,839 --> 00:04:48,080 Speaker 1: Another one that I saw on TikTok this has been everywhere. 86 00:04:48,120 --> 00:04:51,080 Speaker 1: On TikTok, I saw a comment that said, when those 87 00:04:51,160 --> 00:04:55,600 Speaker 1: traits are consistently uplifted as genetic excellence. We know where 88 00:04:55,600 --> 00:05:00,600 Speaker 1: this leads. This just echoes pseudoscientific language of racial super periority, 89 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:05,159 Speaker 1: and so the controversy is essentially about accusations that the 90 00:05:05,240 --> 00:05:08,680 Speaker 1: ad is making a subtle reference or even an explicit 91 00:05:08,760 --> 00:05:13,479 Speaker 1: reference to these harmful theories of eugenics and white supremacy. 92 00:05:13,880 --> 00:05:18,200 Speaker 1: There was also criticism for the sexualization of Sidney Sweeney 93 00:05:18,360 --> 00:05:20,599 Speaker 1: in the ad, but I think that was kind of 94 00:05:20,640 --> 00:05:24,160 Speaker 1: a side part, and the main thing here really is 95 00:05:24,320 --> 00:05:28,760 Speaker 1: the racial undertones or the accusations of racism at play here. 96 00:05:28,920 --> 00:05:33,320 Speaker 3: Okay. I think it's also probably worth noting that American 97 00:05:33,480 --> 00:05:37,120 Speaker 3: Eagle as a brand, I mean, it's literally in the 98 00:05:37,200 --> 00:05:40,680 Speaker 3: name that there's this kind of American nationalism, this very 99 00:05:40,800 --> 00:05:44,440 Speaker 3: like US sort of tone, the red, white, and blue, 100 00:05:44,880 --> 00:05:49,440 Speaker 3: the eagle that is an iconic bird associated with US imagery, 101 00:05:50,080 --> 00:05:54,120 Speaker 3: and I mean the relationship between America and neo Nazism. 102 00:05:54,400 --> 00:05:55,159 Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. 103 00:05:55,240 --> 00:06:00,520 Speaker 1: It's really painting her as this ideal American woman, and 104 00:06:00,560 --> 00:06:04,400 Speaker 1: there is of course a very problematic history that comes 105 00:06:04,400 --> 00:06:04,600 Speaker 1: with that. 106 00:06:05,520 --> 00:06:08,600 Speaker 3: So what has the response been like from the brand? 107 00:06:08,680 --> 00:06:10,560 Speaker 3: Have we heard from American Eagle? 108 00:06:10,839 --> 00:06:14,440 Speaker 1: We have, so they actually didn't respond for a little while. 109 00:06:14,600 --> 00:06:18,119 Speaker 1: So these ads first were published on the twenty third 110 00:06:18,200 --> 00:06:21,760 Speaker 1: of July, and they didn't say anything for more than 111 00:06:21,760 --> 00:06:24,559 Speaker 1: a week. We only heard from them over the most 112 00:06:24,560 --> 00:06:25,479 Speaker 1: recent weekends. 113 00:06:25,560 --> 00:06:28,920 Speaker 3: And as we sometimes see with these stories, that silence 114 00:06:29,040 --> 00:06:33,440 Speaker 3: kind of fed into this theory online or this kind 115 00:06:33,480 --> 00:06:37,280 Speaker 3: of conspiracy that has blown up because of that silence. 116 00:06:37,400 --> 00:06:39,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think people didn't know what they were 117 00:06:39,600 --> 00:06:41,839 Speaker 1: going to say. You never know, you know, are they 118 00:06:41,920 --> 00:06:44,520 Speaker 1: going to issue an apology or are they going to 119 00:06:44,560 --> 00:06:47,159 Speaker 1: double down on the messaging and kind of say that 120 00:06:47,240 --> 00:06:50,200 Speaker 1: they have nothing to apologize for. I would say out 121 00:06:50,240 --> 00:06:53,400 Speaker 1: of those two, they did the latter. So in the 122 00:06:53,440 --> 00:06:56,800 Speaker 1: statement that they posted over the weekend, they said, Sidney 123 00:06:56,800 --> 00:07:01,039 Speaker 1: Sweeney has great genes, is and always was about the genes, 124 00:07:01,400 --> 00:07:04,880 Speaker 1: her genes, her story, her genes with a J, jeans 125 00:07:04,920 --> 00:07:08,040 Speaker 1: with a J. They also added, great genes look good 126 00:07:08,120 --> 00:07:12,000 Speaker 1: on everybody. So they're really maintaining that this was or 127 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:15,480 Speaker 1: they're claiming that this was purely about the clothing and 128 00:07:15,920 --> 00:07:19,200 Speaker 1: there was no deeper messaging here. I will say that, 129 00:07:19,680 --> 00:07:22,640 Speaker 1: like you said, m in that statement, they spelled genes 130 00:07:22,640 --> 00:07:25,840 Speaker 1: with a J, and they didn't acknowledge the ads that 131 00:07:26,120 --> 00:07:29,960 Speaker 1: do spell genes with a G. So in at least 132 00:07:30,040 --> 00:07:34,000 Speaker 1: one of the ads, they do explicitly spell genes with 133 00:07:34,120 --> 00:07:36,760 Speaker 1: a G. How it's spelt for genetics and then they 134 00:07:36,800 --> 00:07:39,040 Speaker 1: cross it out and replace it with. 135 00:07:39,440 --> 00:07:40,240 Speaker 2: The other genes. 136 00:07:40,720 --> 00:07:43,040 Speaker 3: Okay, so it seems like they're trying to brush that 137 00:07:43,160 --> 00:07:47,560 Speaker 3: off as like a harmless wordplay marketing line. What about 138 00:07:47,600 --> 00:07:52,920 Speaker 3: Sydney Sweeney, She's a popular global star. She's especially popular 139 00:07:52,960 --> 00:07:57,160 Speaker 3: as an actress with younger audiences because of shows like Euphoria, 140 00:07:57,240 --> 00:07:59,080 Speaker 3: which is really a show for young people. 141 00:07:59,360 --> 00:08:04,679 Speaker 1: Yeah, she said, she hasn't said anything, so she's remained 142 00:08:04,760 --> 00:08:08,000 Speaker 1: silent on the controversy. That doesn't mean that she hasn't 143 00:08:08,040 --> 00:08:11,320 Speaker 1: been out in public, so she has still been posting 144 00:08:11,440 --> 00:08:15,280 Speaker 1: to her Instagram. She's also been at at least one 145 00:08:15,320 --> 00:08:18,280 Speaker 1: public event so earlier this week she went to a 146 00:08:18,360 --> 00:08:21,680 Speaker 1: red carpet for one of her films. So she has 147 00:08:21,760 --> 00:08:25,880 Speaker 1: been out and about, but she has not addressed this controversy. 148 00:08:26,360 --> 00:08:29,280 Speaker 3: That is kind of surprising in this day and age. 149 00:08:29,360 --> 00:08:33,080 Speaker 3: I guess when celebrities feel so accessible, when we all 150 00:08:33,120 --> 00:08:36,880 Speaker 3: have social media and we all follow celebrities on social media, 151 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:39,640 Speaker 3: it feels almost like it would be harder to not 152 00:08:39,880 --> 00:08:43,240 Speaker 3: address it. So I think that that probably says a lot. Billy. 153 00:08:43,320 --> 00:08:46,280 Speaker 3: As you mentioned, this has been around for a few weeks, 154 00:08:46,320 --> 00:08:49,120 Speaker 3: this story has been bubbling, but I have seen that 155 00:08:49,200 --> 00:08:53,680 Speaker 3: it's now entered the political sphere. How did that happen? 156 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:56,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, so this isn't the first time that Sweeney has 157 00:08:57,000 --> 00:09:01,160 Speaker 1: faced controversy or backlash from her fan Now you might 158 00:09:01,200 --> 00:09:03,760 Speaker 1: remember I don't remember this, but you might remember that 159 00:09:03,880 --> 00:09:07,640 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty two, she shared pictures of her mum's 160 00:09:07,880 --> 00:09:11,640 Speaker 1: sixtieth birthday and you could see in those snaps that 161 00:09:11,679 --> 00:09:15,240 Speaker 1: she uploaded to her Instagram that some of the members 162 00:09:15,280 --> 00:09:20,160 Speaker 1: of her family were wearing make America Great Again style hats. Okay, 163 00:09:20,320 --> 00:09:24,440 Speaker 1: and they read make sixty great again. So just another 164 00:09:24,480 --> 00:09:27,280 Speaker 1: play on words in a very different style that a. 165 00:09:27,200 --> 00:09:31,120 Speaker 3: Play on a very loaded Republican Trumpian mantra. 166 00:09:31,480 --> 00:09:32,280 Speaker 2: Yes exactly. 167 00:09:33,000 --> 00:09:37,720 Speaker 1: And Sweeney did acknowledge the backlash at that time, and 168 00:09:37,800 --> 00:09:41,520 Speaker 1: she criticized it. She said that people had turned quote 169 00:09:41,600 --> 00:09:46,240 Speaker 1: an innocent celebration into an absurd political statement. Now you 170 00:09:46,320 --> 00:09:48,680 Speaker 1: might be wondering, what does this have to do with 171 00:09:48,840 --> 00:09:53,040 Speaker 1: the current controversy. So, after all this went down with 172 00:09:53,160 --> 00:09:58,200 Speaker 1: American Eagle. Some people online did some digging around and 173 00:09:58,559 --> 00:10:01,600 Speaker 1: they found more of a connection between Sydney Sweeney and 174 00:10:01,679 --> 00:10:06,600 Speaker 1: the Republican Party. So they actually found that Sidney Sweeney 175 00:10:06,800 --> 00:10:10,679 Speaker 1: registered as a Republican voter in the months prior to 176 00:10:10,760 --> 00:10:13,120 Speaker 1: Donald Trump being elected for the second time. 177 00:10:13,200 --> 00:10:16,080 Speaker 3: So that was just last year exactly, So following that 178 00:10:16,200 --> 00:10:19,040 Speaker 3: kind of controversy that she spoke out against about her 179 00:10:19,080 --> 00:10:23,240 Speaker 3: mum's birthday. Then sometime passes and it's the lead up 180 00:10:23,240 --> 00:10:26,679 Speaker 3: to the US election last year, and Sidney Sweeney registers 181 00:10:26,720 --> 00:10:30,240 Speaker 3: formally as a Republican voter. But I do think it's 182 00:10:30,280 --> 00:10:34,600 Speaker 3: worth pointing out that this is one part of a 183 00:10:34,679 --> 00:10:38,760 Speaker 3: developing controversy. That doesn't mean that we're saying anything about 184 00:10:38,760 --> 00:10:41,960 Speaker 3: her political preferences, and that doesn't mean that her political 185 00:10:41,960 --> 00:10:44,880 Speaker 3: preferences make her a Nazi. 186 00:10:45,040 --> 00:10:48,720 Speaker 1: No, And again we're not saying that, but I guess 187 00:10:48,960 --> 00:10:52,880 Speaker 1: that her fans or people on the internet are criticizing 188 00:10:53,040 --> 00:10:56,319 Speaker 1: her for her political decisions, and that's made a big 189 00:10:56,400 --> 00:10:59,600 Speaker 1: part of why this has continued to be a big 190 00:10:59,640 --> 00:11:03,160 Speaker 1: story in the days and weeks after this ad was 191 00:11:03,200 --> 00:11:03,960 Speaker 1: first published. 192 00:11:04,200 --> 00:11:05,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, that makes sense, it makes absolute sense. 193 00:11:05,800 --> 00:11:09,400 Speaker 3: It's also interesting and I think speaks to the current 194 00:11:09,880 --> 00:11:13,360 Speaker 3: US political landscape where maybe ten or twenty years ago, 195 00:11:13,480 --> 00:11:16,240 Speaker 3: if we found out that an artist or an entertainer 196 00:11:16,800 --> 00:11:20,600 Speaker 3: was a quote unquote Republican, I don't think it damaged 197 00:11:20,640 --> 00:11:23,360 Speaker 3: their brand or reputation as much as we've seen it 198 00:11:23,480 --> 00:11:27,840 Speaker 3: damage the reputation of modern and contemporary performers and artists. 199 00:11:28,080 --> 00:11:28,280 Speaker 2: Yeah. 200 00:11:28,400 --> 00:11:31,800 Speaker 3: I mean case in point, Donald Trump struggling to find 201 00:11:31,920 --> 00:11:35,000 Speaker 3: names for people to perform at his inauguration, and the 202 00:11:35,040 --> 00:11:37,640 Speaker 3: Wikipedia page with a growing list of artists who have 203 00:11:37,800 --> 00:11:41,640 Speaker 3: protested him playing their songs at his events. So there 204 00:11:41,720 --> 00:11:46,160 Speaker 3: is definitely a political and a social conversation about the 205 00:11:46,240 --> 00:11:50,040 Speaker 3: impact of identifying as a Republican. In twenty twenty five. 206 00:11:49,920 --> 00:11:53,920 Speaker 1: It's definitely a different political landscape that everyone's playing in. 207 00:11:54,200 --> 00:11:56,120 Speaker 3: So tell me about Donald Trump weighing in on this. 208 00:11:56,440 --> 00:11:58,480 Speaker 3: How did he find out? What has he said? 209 00:11:58,679 --> 00:12:02,200 Speaker 1: So he was asked about that by a reporter just 210 00:12:02,240 --> 00:12:04,520 Speaker 1: as he was about to get on to Air Force one. 211 00:12:05,120 --> 00:12:08,480 Speaker 2: Here is what he said. Oh now I love her ad? 212 00:12:09,040 --> 00:12:12,480 Speaker 2: Is that right? As Sidney sweet Eh, you'd be surprised 213 00:12:12,520 --> 00:12:14,359 Speaker 2: at how many people are Republicans. 214 00:12:14,640 --> 00:12:17,760 Speaker 1: If Sydney Sweeney is a registered Republican. 215 00:12:18,240 --> 00:12:20,079 Speaker 2: I think her ad is fantastic. 216 00:12:20,559 --> 00:12:24,600 Speaker 1: So clearly they're praising Sydney Sweeney and the ad as well. 217 00:12:25,080 --> 00:12:28,480 Speaker 1: And after that happened, he then doubled down on his 218 00:12:28,559 --> 00:12:30,720 Speaker 1: social media platform Truth Social. 219 00:12:31,240 --> 00:12:33,599 Speaker 2: He said the American Eagle. 220 00:12:33,400 --> 00:12:37,560 Speaker 1: Ad was the hottest ad out there, and he also 221 00:12:37,600 --> 00:12:40,480 Speaker 1: added that the genes are flying off the shells. Go 222 00:12:40,520 --> 00:12:43,240 Speaker 1: get them, Sydney. So I think you get the picture 223 00:12:43,280 --> 00:12:47,079 Speaker 1: that he is very much in support of Sidney Sweeney. 224 00:12:47,880 --> 00:12:51,400 Speaker 1: Now Trump isn't the only politician who has weighed in 225 00:12:51,520 --> 00:12:54,960 Speaker 1: on this. He is Vice President jd. Vance also weighed in. 226 00:12:55,400 --> 00:12:58,280 Speaker 1: He said, the response to this is an example of 227 00:12:58,320 --> 00:13:01,280 Speaker 1: the difference between Democrats and Republicans. 228 00:13:01,760 --> 00:13:04,280 Speaker 4: It actually reveals something pretty interesting about the Dems, though, 229 00:13:04,600 --> 00:13:07,600 Speaker 4: which is that you have like a normal, all American, 230 00:13:07,640 --> 00:13:10,920 Speaker 4: beautiful girl during doing like a normal Genes ad. Right, 231 00:13:10,960 --> 00:13:14,880 Speaker 4: they're trying to sell, you know, sell jeans to kids 232 00:13:14,880 --> 00:13:19,400 Speaker 4: in America, and they have managed to so unhinge themselves 233 00:13:19,920 --> 00:13:22,200 Speaker 4: over this thing. And it's like, you, guys, did you 234 00:13:22,280 --> 00:13:25,200 Speaker 4: learn nothing from the November twenty twenty four election. Like 235 00:13:25,280 --> 00:13:27,320 Speaker 4: I actually thought that one of the lessons they might 236 00:13:27,360 --> 00:13:30,439 Speaker 4: take is we're going to be less crazy. The lesson 237 00:13:30,480 --> 00:13:33,040 Speaker 4: they have apparently taken is we're going to attack people 238 00:13:33,880 --> 00:13:36,400 Speaker 4: as Nazis for thinking City Sweeney is beautiful. 239 00:13:36,840 --> 00:13:39,840 Speaker 3: So we're seeing the political conversation or I guess the 240 00:13:39,880 --> 00:13:42,960 Speaker 3: conversation from the right in the US, leaning on that 241 00:13:43,080 --> 00:13:48,120 Speaker 3: trope of its woke culture. It's PC gone mad. Exactly 242 00:13:48,679 --> 00:13:52,200 Speaker 3: Has anything else happened in recent days? Because this story 243 00:13:52,320 --> 00:13:53,160 Speaker 3: isn't coming away? 244 00:13:53,320 --> 00:13:56,040 Speaker 1: No. I mean we had a conversation about whether or 245 00:13:56,120 --> 00:13:58,880 Speaker 1: not it was too late for us to explain the controversy. 246 00:13:59,040 --> 00:14:00,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, but it really has just kept. 247 00:14:00,520 --> 00:14:03,480 Speaker 1: Going and going and isn't dying down. I think the 248 00:14:03,520 --> 00:14:06,640 Speaker 1: only other thing to mention that has been significant is 249 00:14:07,040 --> 00:14:10,400 Speaker 1: you might think that this level of controversy has been 250 00:14:10,520 --> 00:14:14,920 Speaker 1: bad for American Eagles reputation, but actually in terms of 251 00:14:15,080 --> 00:14:18,320 Speaker 1: its financials, it's kind of done the opposite, or it 252 00:14:18,400 --> 00:14:19,960 Speaker 1: has done the complete opposite. 253 00:14:20,040 --> 00:14:20,320 Speaker 3: Wow. 254 00:14:20,560 --> 00:14:25,440 Speaker 1: So on Monday, after Trump's post, American Eagle Outfitters, which 255 00:14:25,480 --> 00:14:30,520 Speaker 1: is their umbrella brand, their shares actually jumped twenty four percent, 256 00:14:31,160 --> 00:14:34,600 Speaker 1: and it was their best day in about twenty five years, 257 00:14:34,640 --> 00:14:37,440 Speaker 1: according to Wall Street Journal on the stock market. 258 00:14:37,640 --> 00:14:38,120 Speaker 3: Wow. 259 00:14:38,160 --> 00:14:41,720 Speaker 1: So they have added hundreds of millions of dollars to 260 00:14:41,840 --> 00:14:42,880 Speaker 1: their valuation. 261 00:14:43,400 --> 00:14:47,520 Speaker 3: Okay, I think that's really significant or an important turning 262 00:14:47,560 --> 00:14:50,000 Speaker 3: point in this story because what some people might have 263 00:14:50,080 --> 00:14:54,760 Speaker 3: dismissed as maybe a frivolous, viral social media conversation has 264 00:14:54,800 --> 00:15:00,560 Speaker 3: actually had real world economic impacts of significant value. 265 00:15:00,720 --> 00:15:03,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think that is largely to do with 266 00:15:03,240 --> 00:15:07,440 Speaker 1: Donald Trump's comments, the US President's comments supporting it. 267 00:15:07,640 --> 00:15:10,840 Speaker 3: Yep. Well, Billy, I think we're all now going to 268 00:15:10,840 --> 00:15:14,080 Speaker 3: be waiting to hear from Sydney Sweeney, whether she likes 269 00:15:14,120 --> 00:15:17,240 Speaker 3: it or not. She has kind of become almost a 270 00:15:17,320 --> 00:15:20,120 Speaker 3: poster child for the MAGA movement this month or in 271 00:15:20,160 --> 00:15:22,960 Speaker 3: the last few weeks. You would think if that was 272 00:15:23,040 --> 00:15:27,120 Speaker 3: deeply against her politics, that she would want to explain that, 273 00:15:27,880 --> 00:15:31,960 Speaker 3: but maybe it's not against her politics either way. I 274 00:15:32,080 --> 00:15:34,200 Speaker 3: have a feeling we're probably going to be talking about 275 00:15:34,200 --> 00:15:35,760 Speaker 3: this again at some point in the future. 276 00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:38,360 Speaker 1: It will be fascinating to see what she does, because 277 00:15:38,640 --> 00:15:40,280 Speaker 1: if she comments on it in a week, or if 278 00:15:40,280 --> 00:15:42,600 Speaker 1: she comments on it in five years in you know, 279 00:15:42,680 --> 00:15:45,960 Speaker 1: a celebrity profile that she does looking back on her life, 280 00:15:46,200 --> 00:15:49,440 Speaker 1: at some point, I imagine she will have to comment 281 00:15:49,520 --> 00:15:49,840 Speaker 1: on this. 282 00:15:50,080 --> 00:15:53,440 Speaker 3: Oh one. Yeah, Billy, thank you so much for taking 283 00:15:53,520 --> 00:15:56,360 Speaker 3: us through that today. We really appreciate you breaking down 284 00:15:56,400 --> 00:15:59,120 Speaker 3: a pretty complicated one for us. 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