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Speaker 1: With the legislative change overnight, some are wondering if we're

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Speaker 2: And joining me on the line is the.

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Speaker 1: Secretary of the United Workers Union, the union which represents

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Speaker 1: our correctional officers.

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Speaker 2: Erina Early. Good morning to you morning, Katie.

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Speaker 3: How are you?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, really good, Thanks so much for your time this morning, Erina.

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Speaker 1: What's the reaction from correction staff to the changes to

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Speaker 3: Well, Katie, the reaction with offers is where we're going

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Speaker 3: to fit them because there is a capacity issue at

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Speaker 3: the moment with overcrowding, so they are concerned where are

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Speaker 3: they going to put new prisoners and are they going

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well this is the question I guess that a

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Speaker 1: lot of us are wondering at this point, Erina. From

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Speaker 1: where are we going to put people on remard?

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Speaker 3: Aren't Well that's a really good question, Katie. So we

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Speaker 3: have actually been working with the Commissioner Barley for Corrections, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: could actually put these new prisoners. Because corrections are in

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Speaker 3: a bit of a hard place, Katie. They can't actually

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Speaker 3: put all these prisoners when there's no room for them?

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Speaker 1: So as it currently stands, we've obviously got the correctional

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Speaker 1: just heard from the Police Association president that there are

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Speaker 1: some prisoners being held in the watch house, the Darwin

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Speaker 2: Is that your understanding as well?

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Speaker 3: Yes, So we've got forty prisoners in the Darwen Watchhouse,

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Speaker 3: we've got twenty two prisoners in Alice Springs at the

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Speaker 3: at Peter McCauley.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so there are already prisoners at the Peter McAuley center. Yes,

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Speaker 1: And are we expecting those numbers? Well, I guess it's

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Speaker 3: It just depends on what the staffing levels are how

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Speaker 2: Yeah right now?

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Speaker 1: Tell us as well, is it a situation when you

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Speaker 1: obviously then looked after by correctional staff, aren't they not

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Speaker 3: Yes, that's by correction Yes.

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Speaker 1: It must be a difficult situation though, I'm assuming because

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Speaker 3: No, that's correct. There only built for short term stays.

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Speaker 3: So it is quite difficult. But the police are working

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Speaker 1: Erona, you touched on this before in terms of the

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Speaker 3: Absolutely not. So Corrections are still looking at putting on

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Speaker 1: And is it tough as well when you look at

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Speaker 3: Yes, so you do that. It's quite intensive training that

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Speaker 1: I understand there has been a significant development though in

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Speaker 2: Can you talk us through that update.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so we've got some good news there, Katie, and

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Speaker 1: How are those correctional staff feeling about this finally getting

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Speaker 3: I think they've been exhausted because there's been a lot

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Speaker 3: There's a big list for correctional officers. They can now prioritize.

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Speaker 2: Those and so what deal have they secured?

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Speaker 3: Okay, So like the other government agencies, we've got three

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Speaker 3: but correctional officers, Katie have like a conciliated allowance which

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Speaker 2: Goodness made.

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Speaker 3: That's massive dated I know back data to twenty twenty one,

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Speaker 2: It's a lot of money. Are those do you reckon?

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Speaker 1: That's going to help in terms of trying to get

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Speaker 3: Well, I think Katie's going to put the MT basically

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Speaker 3: Retention allowance as well, which will commence when their agreements

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Speaker 3: And then also too they've got face staffing levels. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Now, I know that when I had spoken off record

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Speaker 1: So tell me in terms of the changes around sort

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Speaker 3: So the big sticking point with the workers comp legislation,

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Speaker 3: So we've been including these clauses in EA's kadies. So

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Speaker 3: the police actually have something in their EA. So the

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Speaker 1: Yeah, right, So tell me erin how many members voted

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Speaker 1: how did it go?

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Speaker 3: So ninety four point eight percent of the officers who

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Speaker 3: nine correctional officers voted yes. You're eighteen voted no.

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Speaker 1: And does this mean that those negotiations like it's all

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Speaker 1: now come to an end.

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Speaker 3: It has come to an end now, Katie. We're just

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Speaker 3: getting through the paperwork now to go to the Fair

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Speaker 3: Work Commission, who then will go through the agreement to

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Speaker 3: make sure it leads the requirement of the Fair Work Act.

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Speaker 1: Well, Erina early, please keep us up to date in

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Speaker 1: you know, within those correctional facilities. You know after hearing

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Speaker 1: of course that we've got sort of forty prisoners in

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Speaker 1: are quite large numbers to have that number in the

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Speaker 3: Absolutely would definitely keep your approach what's happening.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you so much for your time this morning.

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Speaker 2: Very much appreciated you two. Thank you