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Speaker 1: School Principal, Gavin Morris.

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Speaker 2: Good morning to you, Gavin.

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Speaker 3: Good morning Katie, Good morning listeners.

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Speaker 2: Gavin. What happened on Monday night?

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Speaker 3: Monday night, Katie, I've got a phone call around ten

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Speaker 3: They crashed the car five year old to twelve year

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Speaker 1: Bloody hell, Gavin, what condition were they in when you

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Speaker 3: So it's quite a traumatizing experience, Katie, to see a

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Speaker 2: What were they saying, What was their response?

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Speaker 3: this is a total cry for help. It's an absolute

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Speaker 1: Well, mate, lo, the really frightening thing here is that's

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Speaker 2: But to me, it sounds like there's a real breakdown.

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Speaker 2: I can't understand at this point in time.

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Speaker 1: And I said this to you earlier in the week,

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Speaker 3: Is that No, it's not, And it's quite great respect

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Speaker 2: Gavin like, where to from here?

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Speaker 1: Because look, I know that there's going to be some

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Speaker 2: Why are they not listening?

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Speaker 3: It's breathtaking, It's absolutely breathtaking, Katie. And it may sort

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Speaker 3: The politicians, regardless of race, to get their act together,

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Speaker 1: To do well. Gavin Morris, I appreciate your time, and look,

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Speaker 2: I really appreciate your time as always.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, thanks so much, Katie, And look, I can share

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Speaker 3: But what I can guarantee your listeners is that one

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Speaker 3: It's not a pipe dream and another unfulfilled broken promise

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Speaker 1: Well, Gavin Morris, the principle of you burn your school.

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Speaker 1: Thank you very much for your time this morning. We'll

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Speaker 3: Thanks Gadie, thanks having me on.

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Speaker 1: Thank you