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Speaker 1: Joining me in the studio right now is the opposition

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Speaker 1: leader leofan Oki ara O.

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Speaker 2: Good morning, lad In morning Katie and or your listeners.

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Speaker 3: Thank you for joining us a little later. That's usual. Now,

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Speaker 3: were you impacted by last night's power outage?

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Speaker 4: No, I wasn't personally, but of course my electorate along

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Speaker 4: with thousands, tens of thousands of other territorians were, And

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Speaker 4: I think it really reminded people of back in the

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Speaker 4: Henderson days when we had that full scale system black

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Speaker 4: and it's a timely reminder that power and Water is

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Speaker 4: in need of a lot of help. They represent over

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Speaker 4: one billion dollars in the territory's debt. We've got a

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Speaker 4: very fragile networking systems that have not been invested in

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Speaker 4: by this government. And with gas supply issues when the

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Speaker 4: territory is literally rich with on and offshore gas, it

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Speaker 4: just beggars belief that this government has got the territory

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Speaker 4: in a position where we could be running out of

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Speaker 4: gas when there is literally the greatest abundance of gas

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Speaker 4: available to us.

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Speaker 1: And look, the word was when the COLP was last

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Speaker 1: empowered that they were going to privatize power water.

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Speaker 3: I mean, is that in your sites.

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Speaker 4: That was certainly scam mongering by labor and they did

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Speaker 4: a great job of it. I'll give them ten points

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Speaker 4: to scare Mangerine power.

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Speaker 3: Water at the time, and people were seriously warring. I

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Speaker 3: think that was going to happen.

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Speaker 4: It was an effective campaign that they ran against us.

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Speaker 4: But I can absolutely confirm, emphatically, unequivocally, Katie, that a

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Speaker 4: COLP government will not sell power and water.

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Speaker 2: It's just not in our wildest imagination.

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Speaker 4: We need a strong territory owned power network, power assets

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Speaker 4: and our viewers actually to strengthen power and water because

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Speaker 4: they can't continue to be left by this government to

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Speaker 4: hobble along. People literally rely on power to live, to

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Speaker 4: go to school, to go to work. It's too critical

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Speaker 4: to just ignore and forget about. And so through our

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Speaker 4: economic plans with seriously getting gas online, making sure we've

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Speaker 4: got business certains and confidence, by cutting approval time frames,

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Speaker 4: re totally reinvigorating the way we deliver major projects, we

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Speaker 4: will start to have that ability to strengthen power and

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Speaker 4: water and give people confidence that when they turn the

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Speaker 4: light on, it'll come on.

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Speaker 2: Katie.

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Speaker 1: The tough thing is power water does probably require quite

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Speaker 1: a bit of investment. You know, in terms of that

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Speaker 1: infrastructure it is aging. How is the COLP going to

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Speaker 1: pay for that investment if indeed you are elected, I mean,

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Speaker 1: are you going to need to put power prices up?

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Speaker 4: No, that's not something we're looking at, particularly, you know,

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Speaker 4: at a time when cost of living is literally driving

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Speaker 4: people out of the territory. But you know, this isn't

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Speaker 4: new news to the government. In estimates last year Katie,

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Speaker 4: we asked the Chair of Power and Water and he

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Speaker 4: literally said he couldn't be certain that territorians would not

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Speaker 4: experience blackouts due to our gas shortage.

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Speaker 2: And so our focus is really clear.

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Speaker 4: We need to be ensuring we have a strong economy

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Speaker 4: that will bring in revenue, which means we can invest

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Speaker 4: in all of our critical systems, our police, our power networks,

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Speaker 4: our hospitals, our schools, everything that's fallen apart by the

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Speaker 4: wayside by labor while they've been chasing PEP projects and

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Speaker 4: building shadeless shade structures. We've got to get onto the

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Speaker 4: business of the fundamentals, you know. But they're failing at

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Speaker 4: the basics and territories don't deserve that.

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Speaker 1: Look, the messages are a little bit mixed. This morning,

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Speaker 1: I think it's safe to say. I mean, you've got

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Speaker 1: event which resulted in us being unable to deliver full

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Speaker 1: supply of gas to the Channel Island Power Station. Then

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Speaker 1: of course you've got Power and Water saying that it

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Speaker 1: wasn't so much a supply issue, but more.

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Speaker 3: The infrastructure delivering that supply.

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Speaker 1: However you look at it, you know, people are unhappy

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Speaker 1: that their power has gone out. We're all very very

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Speaker 1: happy with the fact that crews have worked incredibly hard

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Speaker 1: to install that power big you know, well done to them, Yeah, absolutely,

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Speaker 1: But the fact here is this isn't the first time

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Speaker 1: that we've suffered an outage as a result of something.

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Speaker 3: To do with the gas exactly.

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Speaker 1: So what is your commitment in terms of that gas?

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Speaker 1: I mean, if it's a supply issue, are you going

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Speaker 1: to be looking at that contract if you're elected give

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Speaker 1: it to a NIM A structure issue? Hey going to

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Speaker 4: Well, this is why fiscal responsibility is so important, and

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Speaker 4: that's part of the CLP's DNA. We will grow our economy.

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Speaker 4: We will manage the budget so that key services are

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Speaker 4: delivered to territories. That's got to be the number one

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Speaker 4: a focus of any government is the very basics community safety,

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Speaker 4: jobs and opportunities, low cost of living, and so we

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Speaker 4: It's been left to with or on the vine and

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Speaker 4: that's unacceptable and it's giving people a loss of certainty

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Speaker 4: when it comes to energy security, which is something everyone needs.

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Speaker 3: And so will you review a contract with of course.

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Speaker 4: We have to not necessarily ap eight, but we have

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Speaker 4: We prosecuted this in estimates last year Katie and trying

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Speaker 4: We then have gas shortages, there's disputes with gas companies.

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Speaker 2: It's a dog's breakfast well and.

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Speaker 1: Even this morning obviously APA have said that they've experienced

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Speaker 1: that event which resulted in them being unable to deliver

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Speaker 1: the full supply of gas. Then the Chief minister has

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Speaker 1: spoken to another media outlet this morning and said that

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Speaker 1: gas was now being supplied as she understood it by Santos.

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Speaker 1: So it is all a bit confusing.

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Speaker 4: Ye, it absolutely is, and that's certainly news to the community.

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Speaker 1: And I think we want backup, there's no doubt about

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Speaker 1: that lot. We want to make sure that there is

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Speaker 1: more than one supplier so that should something go wrong,

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Speaker 1: we've got that backup. But we also want to make

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Speaker 1: sure we're getting the best bang for our buck.

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Speaker 4: Round absolutely, and the government won't come clean around whether

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Speaker 4: we're paying twice, so we're paying on the take or

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Speaker 4: pay arrangement, but that is running out of gas and

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Speaker 4: then we don't know what we're paying for the top

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Speaker 4: up gas to backfill essentially, So there's plenty of questions

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Speaker 4: in this space. It doesn't give anyone confidence going forward,

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Speaker 4: and you know lines out under Labor, it just seems

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Speaker 2: That top job.

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Speaker 4: But it all comes back to basics of government fiscal responsibility,

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Speaker 4: managing the economy, growing the territory and ensuring that all

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Speaker 4: of those fundamentals, like I said, schools, hospitals, police power, networks,

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Speaker 1: There are a few things to get through. One area

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Speaker 1: of concern right now is youth crime. Brent Potter, the

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Speaker 1: Minister for Police, yesterday confirmed on this show the co

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Speaker 1: responder model is going to continue indefinitely.

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Speaker 3: Is this a good.

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Speaker 4: Move, Well, it's their only choice.

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Speaker 2: Put it that way, Katie.

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Speaker 4: What they did is disempower our police by watering down

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Speaker 4: the laws and removing polices of power to deal with

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Speaker 4: youth offenders. Now what they foiled to do after doing that,

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Speaker 4: despite promising they wouldn't until programs were in place, is

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Speaker 4: make a big commitment that territory families would plug the gap.

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Speaker 4: Now territory families are suffering one hundred and forty less

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Speaker 4: people in that job, so their actual capacity to plug

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Speaker 4: the gap that police were filling isn't there. And of

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Speaker 4: course Brent Potter promised the people of Alice Springs in

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Speaker 4: total failure. So this is a very The government has

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Speaker 1: I mean, will you keep it in place though, if

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Speaker 1: it's working, and if it means that police are not

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Speaker 4: Well we're reforming that entire area, Katie. So under a

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Speaker 4: CLP government, the age of criminal responsibility will be lowered

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Speaker 4: to ten so that young people don't fall through the gaps.

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Speaker 3: That's not going to stop them being out on the streets, no.

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Speaker 2: It means police can deal with them.

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Speaker 4: It means they can be put before the courts and

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Speaker 1: The police have said is that they need that assistance

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Speaker 3: Having to take them back.

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Speaker 1: Wouldn't it be a good thing to keep it in

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Speaker 4: The problem is the only reason we have to have

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Speaker 4: families can spend one hundred percent of their time focused

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Speaker 4: and I have absolutely no doubt and can commit, there

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Speaker 4: Labor are trying to back feel and fix because they

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Speaker 1: All Right, your announcement last week on the show around Spithoods.

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Speaker 1: It's been welcomed by many, but the Chief Minister said

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Speaker 1: on the ABC this morning that she thinks it's a distraction.

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Speaker 3: I mean, is that what it was? A headline grabber.

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Speaker 4: I think if you are a police officer or a

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Speaker 4: corrections officer having blood and phlem spat in your face,

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Speaker 4: you would not call this a destruction. And again it's

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Speaker 4: just the level of disregard and disdain that this government

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Speaker 4: of touch with reality. We stand behind people who go

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Speaker 4: to work every day to protect the community, and that

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Speaker 4: on someone who has shown a willingness not only to

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Speaker 4: and so sensible, well regulated measures to protect frontline workers

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Speaker 4: is one hundred percent what the COLP is about.

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Speaker 1: Now. Alcohol in communities, it's another thing that certainly come

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Speaker 1: up discussion one year since those restrictions after Alla springs

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Speaker 1: flared up, would you allow alcohol back in those communities.

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Speaker 4: No, We were strong advocates for making sure that stronger

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Speaker 4: But we also have to change people's lives and turn

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Speaker 3: Now, the other.

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Speaker 4: Made again we go back to labour scam mongering and

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Speaker 2: Katie.

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Speaker 4: I have said for the last seven years that the

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Speaker 4: to the people who are on the BDR, Katie, is

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Speaker 4: these are the questions that this government can't answer, and

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Speaker 4: they're the questions that if we're elected, we want to

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Speaker 4: explore the capability of the BDR to actually drive down

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Speaker 3: What about the alcohol flaw price? Is that something that

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Speaker 4: We've been on record very clearly that that's got to go.

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Speaker 4: It's done nothing to drive down alcohol field harm. It's

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Speaker 3: Lea a couple of quick ones.

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Speaker 1: The Northern Territory government yesterday announcing that they're well, they've

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Speaker 3: Do we need to cull the crocodiles?

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Speaker 4: We welcome this hare's certainly become a population that's well

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Speaker 4: But I'm more focused and very interesting to see the

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Speaker 4: I really believe in protecting our waterways that are open

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Speaker 3: Just a personal palvation.

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Speaker 1: I know some people are going to be listening this

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Speaker 1: then you have promised as well that you'll build a

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Speaker 1: bigger jail if required. I mean people are going to

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Speaker 4: Well, we can't do nothing, and if we manage the

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Speaker 1: Like that shade structure. I mean it hasn't cost twenty

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Speaker 2: So we need to.

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Speaker 4: Tighten our belt when it comes to that reckless spending.

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Speaker 4: We need to be managing our money properly. I mean

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Speaker 4: for buck. For territories, for example, I said last week

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Speaker 4: That's a saving to the tax payer.

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Speaker 1: Again, the one hundred thousand dollars, I think it is

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Speaker 4: And I think people can very comfortably blame labor for

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Speaker 4: What we need to do is grow our economy and

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Speaker 4: that's why all of our economic policies are around unleashing

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Speaker 3: Lea a quick one from Jerry Wood.

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Speaker 1: Actually, it says hik I wonder if Leah would support

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Speaker 4: We're very supportive of committees, and of course this government

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Speaker 4: is very unsupportive of them. Jerry, So I think your

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Speaker 4: text is better directed to our new chief Minister, who

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Speaker 4: avoids scrutiny much like happens. Would you, oh, well, if

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Speaker 4: it couldn't be done. But we've seen a government very

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Speaker 4: and so with that level of control, I wouldn't be

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Speaker 3: Leah Finocchiaro, we're going to have to leave it.

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Speaker 4: They're good to speak with you as always, Thank you,

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Speaker 4: Take care everyone,