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Speaker 1: Maybe And obviously I'm not gonna like imagine, yeah, I'm

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Speaker 2: I don't think you're going to be like interacting with

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Speaker 1: No, I don't know what's going to happen, but someone

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Speaker 1: It's in a little tube before. I've also passed out.

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Speaker 1: This is the Will and Woody podcast.

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Speaker 2: Right now, let's talk about the optics hack. Shocking, sup

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Speaker 1: He's applying for scuba diving licenses, the rental properties, don'tough.

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Speaker 9: That'd be the think of his purchase getting his patty

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Speaker 2: Right. So he's got Optus by the short and Curlies

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Speaker 2: multi billion dollar company, right, and he decides to ransom

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's all they need or they want to buy,

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Speaker 1: as the health insurance company. Yeah, identify that he's been

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Speaker 1: You're going to have to fee me one million dollars.

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Speaker 2: Really does ridiculous, But for a tight ass, a small

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Speaker 1: Woods Absolutely, and to my father the tight ass. Now

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Speaker 1: and that is that really quickly. Basically, Dad's been paying

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Speaker 1: Brilliant for me, William anyway. So he now knows. He

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Speaker 1: But there is going to be a ten dollar fee

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Speaker 2: Son, which seems nominal because if he's paid for your

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Speaker 2: health insurance for ten years, he's paid ten thousand dollars

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Speaker 2: in health insurance round ball. Yeah like Paul park figure.

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah.

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Speaker 2: So to ask for ten dollars more to transfer the

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Speaker 2: it's freeing.

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Speaker 4: Him, he would give up.

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Speaker 1: You don't know my father, like I know my father,

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Speaker 1: and he'll do It's the principal. He'll be so angry,

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Speaker 2: We should choo for one hundred dollars.

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Speaker 3: I think ten dollars because that's that's funny.

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Speaker 1: Everyone will get angry a one hundred dollars.

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Speaker 3: Trust me, my dad is the biggest tight house.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 3: You say ten bucks, he will crack.

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Speaker 4: Okay, let's do it.

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Speaker 11: Give White Law.

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Speaker 6: Oh yeah, Hi Steve, my name is Aaron from insurance.

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Speaker 6: How are you going?

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Speaker 12: Oh good?

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Speaker 2: And here are you?

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Speaker 1: Oh good? Thank you.

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Speaker 6: I'm just going through our current forms and I see

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Speaker 6: that your your son. You're paying for your son, Edward

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Speaker 1: The moment, Yes I am, yes.

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Speaker 6: is that Are you happy for us to go ahead

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Speaker 12: We're just latually happy.

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Speaker 6: Right, amazing, We thought we thought so, we just wanted

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Speaker 1: So Steve, I've got all the details here.

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Speaker 6: We just there is just a small transfer fee that

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Speaker 12: Why do you need ten dollars?

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Speaker 6: It's just a standard it's just a standard transfer fee

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Speaker 12: Oh no, really, how what do I need to transfer

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Speaker 12: ten dollars to you too?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so we can we can get the go ahead

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Speaker 1: for the transfer.

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Speaker 6: Obviously, like with all everything going on in the in

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Speaker 6: the in the world with scams and whatnot, we have

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Speaker 6: to have like sort of an insurance fee.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, it's it's it's just ten dollars. It's not

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Speaker 12: Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, Now it's just the unusual principle really,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I understand it is. It is relatively cheap.

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Speaker 6: There are a lot of other health insurance providers and

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Speaker 6: That's all all, okay.

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Speaker 12: Very good, very good? And here do I get this

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Speaker 12: ten dollars.

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Speaker 13: Trampled stale?

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Speaker 7: So it was only ten dollars, Dad, No I need

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Speaker 7: to get so angry. Jeez, you're easy to annoy.

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Speaker 12: This a lousy little you know, administrative person wanting to

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Speaker 12: collect this ten dollars back, carry along with it or

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Speaker 12: otherwise just give him hell.

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Speaker 7: The emotional roller coaster have been pumped that you weren't

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Speaker 12: But the talking about the windown of missiles didn't mean.

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Speaker 2: The fee I love. The bit of the in was like,

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Speaker 2: all right, so how am I going to get this crumpled,

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Speaker 8: It was like, you have to take it out of

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Speaker 8: my cold dead fingers, mate, working a healthy insurance because

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Speaker 8: you'll need to have me.

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Speaker 2: On an operating table and an out cold before you

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Speaker 2: flace these punards.

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Speaker 1: It wasn't a little bit dramatic, wasn't that's outrageous.

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Speaker 14: I just wanted to hear the.

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Speaker 12: Message, of course, to that a little happy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we got that message.

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Speaker 1: We got that message.

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Speaker 7: And just so you know that, I haven't actually contacted,

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Speaker 7: so you are still a pain for my health insurance

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Speaker 2: Will and Woody podcast Woods. Yesterday, you went through a

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Speaker 2: full birthing simulation. Your partner, Mim could drop the baby

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Speaker 2: for the birthing sweet and to really empathize with what

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Speaker 4: You went through a full birthing simulation.

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Speaker 2: You can check this out Instagram Will and Woody or

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Speaker 2: hear the full thing on the podcast. But I've got

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Speaker 2: to fight again. Just gets me going, well, oh my.

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Speaker 15: God, they're coming, grigly coming, griglysh.

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Speaker 2: Is like champagne. Give me some.

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Speaker 1: Sem It was so painful.

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Speaker 2: I will watch that again.

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Speaker 1: It was unbelievably painful. And that's obviously not even like

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Speaker 1: a fraction of what women actually go through a child birth,

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Speaker 1: but I did. There's two things I learned. Sweaty got

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Speaker 1: really sweaty. So I'll be there with a dabtawl I reckon,

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Second one, I'll just be like, take the gas, bab.

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Speaker 2: Oh, you tell her to take the take the gas babe.

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Speaker 1: That's true, and she might.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I don't know about that.

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Speaker 1: But when I was there, all I wanted was gas.

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Speaker 1: So this was all about trying to put myself in

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Speaker 1: her shoes. That was why we did it, right, give

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think that's a that's a great idea.

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Speaker 3: And I think then this is where we're at. I

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Speaker 1: Didn't really know anything very sick the gas yeah, and

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Speaker 1: I yeah, midwife has said that some women really don't

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Speaker 1: and I've learned is get her sweat, Yeah, because she'll

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Speaker 3: Yes, And then, to be honest with you, it's probably

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Speaker 1: Of her concerns.

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Speaker 4: And I think that's Yeah.

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Speaker 2: When she was We weren't worried about the sweat. Back

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Speaker 2: to the drawing board, Yeah, I think we've got to

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Speaker 2: to I think we need to realize that you are

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Speaker 3: But it's not too late.

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Speaker 1: I want to get good. I want I want to

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Speaker 2: In there, yes, with a bit of confidence and.

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Speaker 1: Be like wow, and the midwives going like wow, look

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Speaker 4: Knows what he's doing in here. It's like a birth

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Speaker 4: sweet and Ninja.

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Speaker 1: That's what I want to be at birth.

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Speaker 2: Want to get to birth, Sweet Ninja, We've got to

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Speaker 4: Sweet birth camp.

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Speaker 1: All right, you like, listen up, it's time for Woodi's

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Speaker 1: birthing boot camp.

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Speaker 3: I want to be there, you know, heat packs on

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Speaker 1: Of utility belt, a utility belt.

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Speaker 3: I like doing handstands in there.

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Speaker 1: Maybe not the handstands, but yeah, just yeah, I want

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Get get your catch ready, Yeah, get you got your

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Speaker 2: massage points down?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, mass points they'd be good. Don't know him yet,

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Speaker 1: but you.

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Speaker 2: Know, how quickly can you chuck the tens machine on?

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Speaker 1: Bang? That'd be good.

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Speaker 2: These sorts of things, ultimate shower temperature, Yeah, that's good.

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Speaker 4: You want to be handy in there?

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Speaker 1: What am I saying.

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Speaker 2: Yes, all these things massages? What are you using to

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Speaker 2: distract her at the start?

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Speaker 6: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: No, we've talked before about me making jokes in the

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Speaker 4: We No, no, we're not. We're not into a quick

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Speaker 2: All right, here's what I think needs to be the

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Speaker 2: in at any stage here. I reckon, you need to

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Speaker 1: I just think we just need to I thought we

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Speaker 2: No, go straight to I think it's a good idea.

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Speaker 3: It feels like we're going like throwing me in the

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Speaker 2: But that's the only way to learn sink or swim.

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Speaker 2: I reckon, first step here, we find someone who's you know,

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Speaker 2: I reckon, you just got to be there, mate, anyone

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Speaker 1: There's anyone going to be happy with We're going to

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Speaker 1: find out I'm quite a light.

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Speaker 11: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Really there for the you know, for the end game.

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Speaker 2: Okay, maybe just for the start, but maybe they might

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Speaker 2: want be there and it might not. I imagine it's

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Speaker 1: Well, yeah, well, if you're listening and quite genuinely, if

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Speaker 1: would bloody love love.

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Speaker 2: To be there because you're useless right now.

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Speaker 3: Yep, you'd be really doing me a solid.

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Speaker 2: Thirty one O six five is the number if you're

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Speaker 2: planning on getting induced in the next week, and you

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Speaker 2: wouldn't mind having Woods there just at the start.

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Speaker 1: And I'll be respectful. I'll be super respectful.

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Speaker 4: Still be respectful.

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Speaker 1: Great chat, really good chats.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, chat, really good chat.

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Speaker 1: I'll buy you some if you want to snack. That's

450
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Speaker 1: on me of course.

451
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Speaker 2: Six give us a call door right up. Next we

452
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Speaker 2: are in the middle of Woods birth and sweet boot camp.

453
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Speaker 1: All right, you like listen up, it's time for Woodies

454
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Speaker 1: seen foot cab.

455
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Speaker 2: Now I feel like a bit of an idiot, you

456
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Speaker 2: and I, but we feel.

457
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Speaker 4: A bit silly.

458
00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:13,600
Speaker 2: This is obviously something run by two men.

459
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Speaker 4: I'll tell you what.

460
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Speaker 2: Because your pardoner mes in the drop zone could give

461
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Speaker 2: birth in any minute. Yep, we don't think you're ready

462
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Speaker 2: for the birth.

463
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Speaker 4: Sweet.

464
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Speaker 1: We know I'm not ready for it. We know I'm

465
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Speaker 1: not at my best. Let's just say that. So we're

466
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Speaker 1: trying to you know, I'm trying to do things, get

467
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Speaker 1: ready experienced things so I can be we said before,

468
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Speaker 1: like a birth in Sweet Ninja.

469
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Speaker 2: Yeah, you want to be as helpful as you can,

470
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Speaker 2: And I suggested actually being in a birth sweet, I

471
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Speaker 2: think is a great first step. Not surprisingly, no, well,

472
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Speaker 2: not a whole heap people have called up, but Jesse

473
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Speaker 2: is a midwife. She's called us up to tell us

474
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Speaker 2: why that's the case.

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Speaker 12: Jesse.

476
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Speaker 11: Yes, Hi, guys, So what is.

477
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Speaker 2: Not legally allowed in a birth suite?

478
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Speaker 13: I wouldn't say legally. There's still a lot of restrictions

479
00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:03,680
Speaker 13: happening in hospital.

480
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Speaker 2: Yeah, covid.

481
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Speaker 13: Yeah, yeah, so well you might get someone who maybe

482
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Speaker 13: wants to do alive.

483
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Speaker 2: I mean like a FaceTime Yeah, look over covid.

484
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Speaker 13: I had like some zoom birth happened.

485
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Speaker 1: Oh, I mean like the partner was on zoom so

486
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Speaker 1: they could experience.

487
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Speaker 13: The birth, remember, Yeah, like the extra.

488
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Speaker 2: Couldn't come into the hospital. That's also as long as

489
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Speaker 2: being filmed.

490
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Speaker 4: Yeah, you're right.

491
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Speaker 2: So because we can't go into a hospital, we could

492
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Speaker 2: potentially go to a home birth, but we can't get

493
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Speaker 2: induced for our home birth. So it's got to be

494
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Speaker 2: that Jesse, he's still there. Yes, yeah, so we can't

495
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Speaker 2: get induced to go to a home birth because the

496
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Speaker 2: inductions have to have in hospitals. Sure, so yeah, yeah, yes.

497
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Speaker 1: Do not panic, okay.

498
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Speaker 13: And do not faint.

499
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Speaker 12: There is nothing.

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Speaker 16: We're trying to look up and all of a sudden

501
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Speaker 16: on the floor and we're trying to get more people

502
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Speaker 16: in theres the wife out. Not good for anybody.

503
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Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, okay, I am.

504
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Speaker 16: I love the idea of having a bit like of

505
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Speaker 16: a tool belt happening, Like.

506
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, what would you have on the utility belt, Jesse,

507
00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:24,000
Speaker 2: Maybe like a bit of doodron. If M gets a

508
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Speaker 2: bit stinky.

509
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Speaker 16: She is not going to care if she thinks, yeah.

510
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Speaker 1: Will said that Will suggested that Okay, that's actually that's

511
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Speaker 1: that's super interesting. I'm quite imagine if I said, like,

512
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Speaker 1: I'm quite uncomfortable, you really think I'm just gonna put

513
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Speaker 1: on some of my rex signer if you don't mind.

514
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Speaker 2: There's so many things you could have.

515
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Speaker 1: This this idea of being on Zoom, I think is okay.

516
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Speaker 1: That's if someone is willing, we made some headway. You

517
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Speaker 1: think what's practical for me as well? Very convenient? I can,

518
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Speaker 1: you know, watch the whole thing from my from my

519
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Speaker 1: couch okay, the cup of.

520
00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:06,480
Speaker 2: Tea okay, so that's the new target.

521
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Speaker 1: Can I say as well?

522
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Speaker 4: I need to move the goldposts?

523
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Speaker 1: There's that. I think if I can get into a

524
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Speaker 1: delivery suite on Zoom, so've seen how it all happens like,

525
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Speaker 1: that's amazing. So if someone is willing to do that,

526
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Speaker 1: I don't know if we can take those calls now,

527
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Speaker 1: but thirteen one oh six five okay, So yeah, if

528
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Speaker 1: you're willing for me to be on FaceTime or Zoom.

529
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Speaker 3: Or whatever and just be in there with you digitally,

530
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Speaker 3: that'd be great.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

532
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Speaker 1: I think the other thing we should focus on is

533
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Speaker 1: Jesse has just said that, you know, the worst thing

534
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Speaker 1: you can do is faint. Yes, you know that. I'm

535
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Speaker 1: very queasy.

536
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Speaker 4: You're bad with blood.

537
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Speaker 1: So are we to take me to an abatuar or something?

538
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Speaker 4: Oh wow, wow?

539
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Speaker 1: What that's my worst nightmare?

540
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Speaker 2: Continue to hear, but get me in there.

541
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Speaker 1: I need to exposeure therapy.

542
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Speaker 2: Well is there a lot of so as part of

543
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Speaker 2: the boot camp, now we've got your we're going to

544
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Speaker 2: have to test your fainting.

545
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Speaker 3: I've got to become friends with blood.

546
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Speaker 2: With thirteen one six five. If your partner's getting induced

547
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Speaker 2: or you're getting induced in the next week, we'll take

548
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Speaker 2: those calls off air. But what he would love to

549
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Speaker 2: be able to FaceTime or zoom into the birth suite

550
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Speaker 2: at some stage, even if it's just for like a

551
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Speaker 2: minute or sotely.

552
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Speaker 1: And obviously I'll stay at the head end, like I

553
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Speaker 1: don't need to be down there at the business.

554
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Speaker 2: That goes without saying it's FaceTime, not vagina time. Anyway,

555
00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:21,520
Speaker 2: what is birthing? Boot camp will continue tomorrow. Give us

556
00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:23,359
Speaker 2: a call if you're happy for him to FaceTime into

557
00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:27,119
Speaker 2: the birth suite, and the boot camp will continue up

558
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Speaker 2: until mim gives birth. We're gonna get you ready. We're

559
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Speaker 2: gonna get you ready.

560
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Speaker 17: The Will and Woody podcast.

561
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Speaker 10: It's the hook off, very simple. Woods and I both

562
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Speaker 10: have a story, a news story, face down in front

563
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Speaker 10: of us. Yep, neither of us know what the story is.

564
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Speaker 10: One of them is a decent story, one of them

565
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Speaker 10: is a very boring story. We're about to flip those

566
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Speaker 10: stories over, and then we're going to try and get

567
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Speaker 10: you guys to pick our story. Only one of us can,

568
00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:06,119
Speaker 10: only one of us, Only one story can be chosen.

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Speaker 4: Can we hook you in?

570
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Speaker 1: Are you ready for the live flip?

571
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Speaker 4: Yes?

572
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Speaker 2: Ready for the flip?

573
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Speaker 1: Okay, I also have to go first because I won

574
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Speaker 1: last week.

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Speaker 2: Uh whiz.

576
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Speaker 16: A mmm.

577
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Speaker 2: JOm?

578
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Speaker 1: What was found?

579
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Speaker 2: Oh wait?

580
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Speaker 1: What what did?

581
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Speaker 3: What did customs officials in Germany find which blew them away?

582
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Speaker 2: Okay?

583
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Speaker 1: What did customs if you will find in Germany that

584
00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:56,639
Speaker 1: blew them away?

585
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Speaker 2: Okay?

586
00:26:57,400 --> 00:26:59,159
Speaker 4: And mine is mine?

587
00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:07,600
Speaker 2: Is which famous pop star has revealed that they secretly

588
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Speaker 2: recorded a grunge album in nineteen ninety five. I want

589
00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:15,320
Speaker 2: to hear that very famous pops. No, no, I want

590
00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:20,560
Speaker 2: to know what the Germans German found. You guys, choose

591
00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:22,320
Speaker 2: which story you want to hear. You can only hear

592
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Speaker 2: one of them.

593
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Speaker 14: Willen WOODI that's the more in just a bit the

594
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Speaker 14: will and Woody podcast.

595
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Speaker 2: Right now, it is the hook of woods and I

596
00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:37,000
Speaker 2: I got a news story. Each one of them is interesting,

597
00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:40,080
Speaker 2: one of them is very dull, But we're both trying

598
00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:42,880
Speaker 2: to hook you into choosing our story. It's a best

599
00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:47,000
Speaker 2: of three votes. Here Woods, what's the hook for your story?

600
00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:51,280
Speaker 3: Customs agents in Germany blown away.

601
00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:53,280
Speaker 1: By what they find in a bag?

602
00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:56,080
Speaker 4: Okay?

603
00:27:57,080 --> 00:28:02,120
Speaker 2: Mine is mine? Is? Which popstar are announced that they

604
00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:07,080
Speaker 2: secretly recorded a nineteen ninety five grunge record, big pop

605
00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:10,400
Speaker 2: star Dylan? Whose story do you want to hear? Which

606
00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:11,320
Speaker 2: hook have you fallen for?

607
00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:13,960
Speaker 12: I want to hear the German one.

608
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:17,040
Speaker 2: Now it's a little bit savvy about you, mate.

609
00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:18,520
Speaker 3: What are they find in theirs?

610
00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:19,120
Speaker 1: The Germans?

611
00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:21,680
Speaker 2: What did they simon? Which story do you want to hear?

612
00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:23,520
Speaker 7: I definitely want to hear the.

613
00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:26,159
Speaker 2: Sime you do?

614
00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:27,439
Speaker 1: More reasonable, isn't it?

615
00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:29,280
Speaker 2: Sarah? Which story do you want to hear?

616
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Speaker 11: I actually want to hear the German.

617
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Speaker 2: Story?

618
00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:38,680
Speaker 11: Why?

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Speaker 1: Sarah?

620
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Speaker 3: Why did you want to hear about the German one?

621
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Speaker 6: I'm intrigued? Why?

622
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Speaker 11: I want to know what's going on?

623
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Speaker 12: Yeah?

624
00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:48,640
Speaker 1: Not fair enough? Farah? Okay, Well, Australia get rid of

625
00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:50,600
Speaker 1: and your socks blown off because this is this is

626
00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:54,640
Speaker 1: hot off the press in Germany and Berlin will German

627
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Speaker 1: customs agents found a bag full of giant snails.

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Speaker 4: Oh my god.

629
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Speaker 1: And yeah, they were just perplexed by it, and they said, well,

630
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Speaker 1: quote here never in the history of the Duzzle Dwarf

631
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Speaker 1: Customs Office of we have we have we found people

632
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Speaker 1: smuggling snails.

633
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Speaker 2: There's your story. Can you want to know? It was

634
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Speaker 2: the pop star Mariah Carey a grunge album secret nineteen

635
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Speaker 2: ninety five grunge record. So when she was recording day

636
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Speaker 2: Dreams in secret she under the band name Chick titled

637
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Speaker 2: Someone's Ugly Daughter was a grunge record. Have I got

638
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Speaker 2: audio of the It's some audio of Brian Carey singing

639
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Speaker 2: grunge here.

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Speaker 1: That's that sounds like Ella Hooper, like killing Heidi.

641
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Speaker 4: Yeah, bit of that.

642
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Speaker 2: That's that era. Yeah, yeah, that's the era.

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Speaker 3: Toal and, I've got some audio of the snail.

644
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Speaker 2: We've got time. We've got Grace time in the studio.

645
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Speaker 6: Live on air.

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Speaker 2: Hello Grace, Hello, mad to be.

647
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Speaker 1: Yes.

648
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Speaker 2: Grace has a brand new book wards, let's talk about it.

649
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Speaker 2: It's called well, actually, no, before we before we get

650
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Speaker 2: into the book, it is called The Ninth Life of

651
00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:32,360
Speaker 2: a Diamond Minor. I want to ask you very quickly

652
00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:36,440
Speaker 2: about the new PM Albow. Yes, would you shake his hand?

653
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Speaker 17: Sure?

654
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Speaker 2: Absolutely? I thought you've got a good relationship.

655
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Speaker 17: With him, right, I mean I don't know him very well.

656
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Speaker 2: You don't know you haven't met him before.

657
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Speaker 17: I've met him.

658
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Speaker 18: I have met albow as many times. Well there abounces,

659
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Speaker 18: I've met I met.

660
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Speaker 2: Scott oh right, yeah, right, yeah, I mean these.

661
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Speaker 17: People are politicians. I mean, I don't know.

662
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Speaker 2: You're not hanging out with him, You're not looking for

663
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Speaker 2: you're not having a beer with him on the way.

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Speaker 18: Look, I mean I actually I have done some work

665
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Speaker 18: with this current government, only in so far as I've

666
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Speaker 18: done advocacy stuff and yeah, it's not so at the moment,

667
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Speaker 18: the Great Same Foundation is working on a campaign called

668
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Speaker 18: Super for Survivors, which is to stop pedophiles from hiding

669
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Speaker 18: their assets in Super. Yeah, and then and so that's

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Speaker 18: what we have done. We've had a meeting with Stephen Jones,

671
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Speaker 18: who's the Minister for Financial Services and the Assistant Treasurer,

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Speaker 18: and we are also running a campaign at the moment

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Speaker 18: called stop gas Lighting Survivors, which is to reform the

674
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Speaker 18: wording of the crime of persistent child's sexual abuse, which

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Speaker 18: remains in three jurisdictions so Queensland, Southeastralia and the Northern

676
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Speaker 18: Territory still criminalize or call that charge, maintaining a relationship.

677
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Speaker 2: Yes, that's right, and and and your stance here is

678
00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:16,000
Speaker 2: that it's not a relationship. The word relationship is is

679
00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:20,719
Speaker 2: wrong and it should be abusing a child rather than

680
00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:22,040
Speaker 2: having a relationship with a child.

681
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Speaker 18: Yes, it's words like that that give license to the

682
00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:28,200
Speaker 18: media to romanticize abuse, and we still see it so

683
00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:35,719
Speaker 18: often in in reporting still today, where relationships, especially between

684
00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:41,200
Speaker 18: much older people and children are referred to as you know,

685
00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:45,240
Speaker 18: affairs and their their they're romanticized, sometimes even glorified, and

686
00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:47,680
Speaker 18: that plays into these victim blaming tropes that that that

687
00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:51,400
Speaker 18: really are harmful to not only the victims themselves, but

688
00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:54,600
Speaker 18: to society. And it prevents us, Yeah, it prevents us

689
00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:58,720
Speaker 18: from understanding, you know, what these crimes really are, you know,

690
00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:01,640
Speaker 18: these crimes of child sexual abuse, but also you know,

691
00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:06,160
Speaker 18: these other similar crimes like domestic violence, which aren't just incidents.

692
00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:09,800
Speaker 18: They're not just single isolated incidents, their whole systems of control,

693
00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:13,160
Speaker 18: you know, of which the incidents make up just one part,

694
00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:15,200
Speaker 18: you know, and they often perpetrated over a long period

695
00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:18,640
Speaker 18: of time, you know. And the psychological manipulation when we

696
00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:20,960
Speaker 18: talk about the lasting effects of these things, it's a

697
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:24,320
Speaker 18: psychological manipulation in so many cases that are you know,

698
00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:27,200
Speaker 18: that is the most damaging element. And so you know

699
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:30,000
Speaker 18: when we talk about to cycle back to when you

700
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:34,240
Speaker 18: question about yes I actually spend I actually have much time.

701
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Speaker 2: I wanted to ask you. The reason I was asking

702
00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:39,640
Speaker 2: about the handshake actually is because it was in your

703
00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:43,360
Speaker 2: in your book. You've got a bit there about the

704
00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:45,920
Speaker 2: fact that there was this whole thing about your autism

705
00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:49,240
Speaker 2: being involved and your fiance Max, who I just met, Yes,

706
00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:51,240
Speaker 2: over there.

707
00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:53,640
Speaker 18: When I say over there, I realized this is radio.

708
00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:55,600
Speaker 1: Nobody can see me.

709
00:33:55,760 --> 00:34:00,000
Speaker 2: And after that, after that incident with he was getting

710
00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:04,760
Speaker 2: texts about this assertion that, yeah, Max.

711
00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:06,400
Speaker 17: I don't know what I don't know what's going on.

712
00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:08,440
Speaker 2: I don't think any of us want to know what

713
00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:12,000
Speaker 2: I was getting. But your your fiance, Max was getting

714
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:14,600
Speaker 2: messages from people about this assertion that you were frowning

715
00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:16,440
Speaker 2: because of your autism.

716
00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:17,360
Speaker 4: Is that right?

717
00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:17,920
Speaker 2: Yes?

718
00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:18,480
Speaker 17: Yes, Max.

719
00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:21,440
Speaker 18: Max received a barriage of text messages it's crazy, And

720
00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:24,200
Speaker 18: he was just sort of saying it was. One particular

721
00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:28,600
Speaker 18: journalist was repeatedly sending him text messages and maxis said.

722
00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:30,120
Speaker 2: Look wrong, number who it is?

723
00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:35,279
Speaker 1: That would have been hilarious. Why did the journalists want

724
00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:37,359
Speaker 1: to use that? Why did the journalists want to make

725
00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:39,680
Speaker 1: it seem like your frowning was because of your autism.

726
00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:43,319
Speaker 18: I can't answer that question because I don't know. You know,

727
00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:46,920
Speaker 18: journalists always have have agendas, and that's that's for them

728
00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:48,680
Speaker 18: to that's for them to more of a beat up.

729
00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:52,359
Speaker 2: It was just another cycles the issue. Oh no, here's

730
00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:54,320
Speaker 2: the issue.

731
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Speaker 17: That's just isn't it, Because you know.

732
00:34:56,600 --> 00:35:01,200
Speaker 18: There were there were so many projections onto literally onto

733
00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:05,359
Speaker 18: my face that day, and you know, it's it just

734
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:07,080
Speaker 18: goes to show that, you know, there was a it

735
00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:09,640
Speaker 18: was such a brief it was such a brief moment,

736
00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:15,040
Speaker 18: and you know, you know, rudeness is subjective. I've offered

737
00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:18,400
Speaker 18: some a lot of commentary on this, well, not not

738
00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:22,200
Speaker 18: as much as what was offered from some, but you know,

739
00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:24,239
Speaker 18: I've sort of said my page, you know, and that

740
00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:27,319
Speaker 18: is that, you know, rudeness is subjective, but hypocrisy is

741
00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:31,040
Speaker 18: self defeating. And you know, it was it was an

742
00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:34,839
Speaker 18: opportunity to show that so many of these constructs are

743
00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:39,319
Speaker 18: you know, of power and speaking truth to power. You know,

744
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:43,600
Speaker 18: you know it can be done, and you know, nobody

745
00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:47,720
Speaker 18: blew up the world in the end, you know, and again,

746
00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:50,800
Speaker 18: you know, some people won't agree with me, and that's okay.

747
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:54,000
Speaker 18: You know, I'm not here to I'm not here to

748
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:57,000
Speaker 18: be popular, and I know that some people won't like that,

749
00:35:57,080 --> 00:35:59,600
Speaker 18: and that's all right, that's okay.

750
00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:00,800
Speaker 17: I'm I'm all right with that.

751
00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:03,319
Speaker 18: I know who I am, and I know what my

752
00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:05,360
Speaker 18: truth is, and I know what my purpose is, and

753
00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:08,600
Speaker 18: I'm here. I'm here to be an advocate of the

754
00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:11,600
Speaker 18: survivor community. And I also know that within the survivor community,

755
00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:14,520
Speaker 18: I can't speak for I can't speak for everyone either,

756
00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:17,279
Speaker 18: and I've never claimed to be to do that. You know,

757
00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:19,239
Speaker 18: I certainly know that as far as survivor as a

758
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:23,640
Speaker 18: child sexual abuse go, I'm incredibly fortunate to have a

759
00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:25,000
Speaker 18: platform and to have a voice.

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00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:26,799
Speaker 2: Grace, We're going to talk about that more up next

761
00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:28,560
Speaker 2: with a song, because I really want to talk about

762
00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:31,080
Speaker 2: your book as well, and there's so much about that

763
00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:33,600
Speaker 2: that we want to pick apart. So you're such a

764
00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:39,040
Speaker 2: good talker, you get so lost in you You're completely enthralling,

765
00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:41,480
Speaker 2: So you get the book as well, ready for sharing.

766
00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:45,080
Speaker 2: The book's astounding. She's actually drawn the front cover herself

767
00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:48,359
Speaker 2: as well, which is stunning. Grace's memoir The Ninth Life

768
00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:50,719
Speaker 2: of a Diamond Minor is available at all Good bookstores.

769
00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:52,680
Speaker 2: And we've got more with Grace Tame right up next

770
00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:55,120
Speaker 2: on Wildmododiye, we've got the one and only Grace Tame

771
00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:58,520
Speaker 2: in the studio. Grace's memoir The Ninth Life of a

772
00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:00,799
Speaker 2: Diamond Minor is available in ourt Good book sourcees I

773
00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:03,440
Speaker 2: said before she'd actually drawing the front coverage. It is stunning,

774
00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:05,600
Speaker 2: drew that with a pen with a pack of Wooly

775
00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:06,920
Speaker 2: pens apparently.

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00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:09,800
Speaker 17: Yeah, slightly more than one pen. It's so funny.

777
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:11,399
Speaker 18: I tried to like, I tried to find a really

778
00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:13,920
Speaker 18: nice pen, and then after all that it's just his

779
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:18,680
Speaker 18: just his pens from from Woolies, from the from the stationary.

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Speaker 1: Wies pens if you're looking for a pen. But Grace,

781
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Speaker 1: I heard you an interview in another interview three PM pickup,

782
00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:27,799
Speaker 1: and you were talking about this is back in the

783
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:29,880
Speaker 1: school yard when you were being abused by one of

784
00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:33,560
Speaker 1: the teachers and one of the rock spider prick. Well, yeah,

785
00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:37,480
Speaker 1: one of the things that you said, Grace was that

786
00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:40,640
Speaker 1: the other other kids in the in the school ground

787
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:44,040
Speaker 1: were referring to you as oh, you're the girl who's

788
00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:46,240
Speaker 1: sleeping with No.

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Speaker 18: So this wasn't known at the time. No, no, so

790
00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:50,160
Speaker 18: this was so you.

791
00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:50,640
Speaker 17: Yeah.

792
00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:55,360
Speaker 18: So after after the abuse occurred and after I disclosed,

793
00:37:57,000 --> 00:38:01,000
Speaker 18: I did receive a message on Facebook from a friend

794
00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:06,080
Speaker 18: of mine who passed on a message from somebody asking

795
00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:08,240
Speaker 18: me if I was the girl who.

796
00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:11,520
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, who f bomb Yes, yes, who was

797
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:12,560
Speaker 2: bombing the teacher?

798
00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:13,000
Speaker 13: Yeah?

799
00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:14,480
Speaker 17: Who f bombed teacher?

800
00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:14,799
Speaker 1: Right?

801
00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:15,120
Speaker 11: Yeah?

802
00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:15,359
Speaker 2: Yeah.

803
00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:15,960
Speaker 1: Yeah.

804
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:18,960
Speaker 18: It was not known. It was not known at the time. No,

805
00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:20,399
Speaker 18: it was not known at the time.

806
00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:21,279
Speaker 17: No, no, no, no.

807
00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:23,280
Speaker 1: So how did that make you feel, knowing that someone

808
00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:25,160
Speaker 1: had said that about you? I mean, that's that's one

809
00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:27,399
Speaker 1: of these main problems with what's going on right now,

810
00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:31,440
Speaker 1: that idea that you were willingly in a relationship or

811
00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:33,480
Speaker 1: f bombing this teacher, And that's not the case at all.

812
00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:35,799
Speaker 18: No, And that's but that was part of you know,

813
00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:39,200
Speaker 18: what we were talking about before before we just you know,

814
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:41,319
Speaker 18: went to break for that song. Yeah, what we were

815
00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:45,400
Speaker 18: talking about before is because because this charge, this teacher

816
00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:48,000
Speaker 18: was charged with the with the crime of maintaining a

817
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:51,280
Speaker 18: sexual relationship with the person under the age of seventeen,

818
00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:55,160
Speaker 18: and the first front page headline that came out was,

819
00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:58,400
Speaker 18: you know, teacher admits to affair with student. Now, you know,

820
00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:01,640
Speaker 18: when I when I disclosed the abuse, like I reported

821
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:04,360
Speaker 18: the abuse, I went. It wasn't as if, you know,

822
00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:06,960
Speaker 18: it got found out or anything like that. It was

823
00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:10,040
Speaker 18: a case of me going to you know, I first

824
00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:12,520
Speaker 18: I went to the principal and I disclosed what had happened,

825
00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:16,480
Speaker 18: and I made a statement to police, you know. And

826
00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:20,080
Speaker 18: at the time also you know, after I made my report,

827
00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:24,640
Speaker 18: the police you know, conducted an investigation. They found twenty

828
00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:27,160
Speaker 18: eight multimedia files of child abuse material on this man's

829
00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:30,919
Speaker 18: home computer, which included nine files in a category four

830
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:33,680
Speaker 18: which means adults like videos of adults raping children.

831
00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:34,280
Speaker 2: Wow.

832
00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:37,840
Speaker 18: They also found a trophy file of girls that he

833
00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:41,640
Speaker 18: had kept on his home computer. And a lot of

834
00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:44,560
Speaker 18: these girls were like myself. They were you know, they

835
00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:46,600
Speaker 18: were boarding students. Not that I was a boarding student,

836
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:49,120
Speaker 18: but they were they were students who had added vulnerability,

837
00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:51,880
Speaker 18: so they were, you know, students who weren't near their parents,

838
00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:52,640
Speaker 18: you know, And.

839
00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:55,840
Speaker 2: He was aware of that, he was aware of targeting.

840
00:39:56,440 --> 00:39:59,680
Speaker 18: Yeah. So after that, I did an episode of Australian

841
00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:02,000
Speaker 18: Story at the end of last year, where I recapped

842
00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:07,359
Speaker 18: my year and the current principle of collegiate the high

843
00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:11,200
Speaker 18: school where this abuse occurred. He looked down the barrel,

844
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:15,520
Speaker 18: you know, and addressed the audience when he did his interview,

845
00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:18,279
Speaker 18: and he said, if there are any more girls who

846
00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:20,759
Speaker 18: experienced abuse at the hands of this man, or you know,

847
00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:21,680
Speaker 18: something to that effect.

848
00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:23,360
Speaker 17: That was his message, And.

849
00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:27,799
Speaker 18: After that episode aired, another five girls came forward and

850
00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:29,520
Speaker 18: alleged abuse by this man.

851
00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:33,080
Speaker 17: Oh really, that's right, And you know, I have seen.

852
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:34,480
Speaker 2: So gracious for you go and I should say the

853
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Speaker 2: National Sexual Assault Domestic Vines and Counseling Services one hundred

854
00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:40,280
Speaker 2: respect if anyone needs to call that or Lifeline thirteen

855
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Speaker 2: eleven fourteen.

856
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Speaker 18: Carry on and thanks to shout out to Lifeline. Have

857
00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:47,800
Speaker 18: I have called Lifeline amazing service? They are an amazing service.

858
00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:48,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, so carry on.

859
00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:51,319
Speaker 18: Yeah, and there is no shame in asking for help.

860
00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:53,480
Speaker 18: Just everyone out there.

861
00:40:55,080 --> 00:40:58,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so you're saying those five five.

862
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Speaker 17: Girls, that's right, that's right.

863
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:02,360
Speaker 18: And in fact, there's another there is another target of

864
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:06,120
Speaker 18: his that dating back to nineteen ninety two, whose story

865
00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:14,000
Speaker 18: is in my book. And you know, it's it's a

866
00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:20,040
Speaker 18: remarkable thing. It's a testament to this man's malevolence, to

867
00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:25,960
Speaker 18: his ability to manipulate not just you know, myself and

868
00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:30,520
Speaker 18: and his other targets, but also the staff and also

869
00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:36,359
Speaker 18: I believe as well, even the authorities. You know, he

870
00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:40,480
Speaker 18: was he's so good, he's so good at playing the victim.

871
00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:44,080
Speaker 18: Even my own father who confronted him. He confronted him

872
00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:47,840
Speaker 18: after I disclosed to him, to my father, and he

873
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:50,719
Speaker 18: just did his sad old man act. He did his

874
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:52,719
Speaker 18: sad old man. He did his sad old man. Oh

875
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:55,520
Speaker 18: you know she wanted it act. But this is grooming.

876
00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:57,640
Speaker 18: This is what This is the state of mind that

877
00:41:57,800 --> 00:42:03,319
Speaker 18: is produced in a child who is you know like

878
00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:06,680
Speaker 18: you know, there was the like I had been taught

879
00:42:06,680 --> 00:42:09,040
Speaker 18: for this man, but for a whole year before any

880
00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:10,680
Speaker 18: of the sexual abuse occurred, and it was in a

881
00:42:10,719 --> 00:42:13,520
Speaker 18: class of only eight of us. It was Maths extended,

882
00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:16,840
Speaker 18: So it was an extension class before taking Math's methods.

883
00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:18,440
Speaker 18: You know, there were only eight of us, and I

884
00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:20,680
Speaker 18: was fourteen for that whole year, and a young fourteen

885
00:42:20,719 --> 00:42:23,120
Speaker 18: because my birthday is in December, you know, twenty eighth

886
00:42:23,120 --> 00:42:25,160
Speaker 18: of December, three days after Christmas. You know, used to

887
00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:28,040
Speaker 18: being upstaged by Jesus every year. And that's okay upstage

888
00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:29,320
Speaker 18: by anyone that's gonna be Jesus.

889
00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:29,720
Speaker 17: Anyway.

890
00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:32,439
Speaker 18: If I see what I tell you about, my mind

891
00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:35,600
Speaker 18: goes off track. Anyway, Come back fourteen, that whole year,

892
00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:37,120
Speaker 18: you know, and that was the year that I was

893
00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:41,839
Speaker 18: hospitalized for anorexia and I was quite quite sick, sick, yeah,

894
00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:44,319
Speaker 18: and you know, and this is I say this because

895
00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:47,640
Speaker 18: I'm not talking about you know, I'm talking about this

896
00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:50,480
Speaker 18: to explain that this is a really good example.

897
00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:51,720
Speaker 17: Of somebody who was who was aware.

898
00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:55,759
Speaker 18: He would have been aware of the vulnerability of myself,

899
00:42:55,840 --> 00:42:58,120
Speaker 18: you know, especially in a class of only eight. And

900
00:42:58,160 --> 00:43:00,239
Speaker 18: I left for six weeks at the beginning of that

901
00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:03,640
Speaker 18: year in April, you know, April to Mayo's away, and

902
00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:07,160
Speaker 18: you know, I remember distinctly this man coming right up

903
00:43:07,160 --> 00:43:10,080
Speaker 18: to my face, you know, looking down his nose at

904
00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:13,960
Speaker 18: me and going, you know, are you going gray? And

905
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:16,680
Speaker 18: this is a six foot two man, you know. It

906
00:43:16,680 --> 00:43:19,480
Speaker 18: would have been fifty seven that year, and he was

907
00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:22,920
Speaker 18: a former soldier, you know, in South Africa. And he

908
00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:25,160
Speaker 18: would later tell me stories, you know, about killing people.

909
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:28,840
Speaker 18: He once told me a story about pretending to be

910
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:31,719
Speaker 18: in his words, retarded so that he didn't have to

911
00:43:31,719 --> 00:43:33,680
Speaker 18: give up his seat for a pregnant woman.

912
00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:34,040
Speaker 17: On a bus.

913
00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:36,560
Speaker 18: You know, this is just like, you know, this is

914
00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:39,400
Speaker 18: not just psychopathy, This is sadism, you know.

915
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:41,000
Speaker 17: And when you hear these things as.

916
00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:44,000
Speaker 18: A child, as a fourteen or fifteen year old child,

917
00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:49,239
Speaker 18: you they're not direct threats, but they are very intimidating

918
00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:52,360
Speaker 18: and very scary, you know. And then there was the

919
00:43:52,440 --> 00:43:56,520
Speaker 18: exposure to you know, films like The Graduate, which is

920
00:43:56,560 --> 00:44:00,440
Speaker 18: a classic film that features not only a relationship between

921
00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:04,000
Speaker 18: an older person and a younger person, but sexual initiation

922
00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:07,680
Speaker 18: that glorifies that sexual initiation between older people.

923
00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:09,759
Speaker 17: And there were other films, you know, there was a

924
00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:10,440
Speaker 17: film called.

925
00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:11,120
Speaker 1: You would Watch with Him?

926
00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:14,359
Speaker 18: Yeah, well yeah, there were films that I would watch

927
00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:15,839
Speaker 18: with him, But there were also films that he would

928
00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:17,440
Speaker 18: you know, encourage me to watch on my.

929
00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:20,680
Speaker 17: Own or just you know what I mean. Like this,

930
00:44:20,840 --> 00:44:22,040
Speaker 17: all this stuff.

931
00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:24,640
Speaker 2: The depravity of the incident is obviously something that you

932
00:44:24,719 --> 00:44:26,879
Speaker 2: go into in the book and anybody you can get

933
00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:27,200
Speaker 2: this The.

934
00:44:27,239 --> 00:44:29,560
Speaker 4: Ninth Life of Dime minor Valid or good bookstores.

935
00:44:29,680 --> 00:44:34,080
Speaker 2: Are there any resolutions, any sort of like resolving notes

936
00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:37,960
Speaker 2: that you have for yourself for for anyone it's who

937
00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:39,000
Speaker 2: has been in this position.

938
00:44:39,160 --> 00:44:40,560
Speaker 17: Oh it's not.

939
00:44:41,120 --> 00:44:43,799
Speaker 18: I did not just I did not write this for

940
00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:47,719
Speaker 18: myself so much as for people, you know. And again

941
00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:49,440
Speaker 18: I can only speak to my own experience, but I

942
00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:53,080
Speaker 18: say that in saying I hope that not just not

943
00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:56,120
Speaker 18: just fellow survivors from all walks of life. And again,

944
00:44:56,560 --> 00:45:00,680
Speaker 18: you know, survivors survivors just like survivors are just like

945
00:45:00,680 --> 00:45:03,400
Speaker 18: anybody else. You know, it's one in six boys and

946
00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:06,600
Speaker 18: one in four girls. The spectrum of the survivor community

947
00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:09,040
Speaker 18: is as vast as the you know, almost as vast

948
00:45:09,080 --> 00:45:11,880
Speaker 18: as the whole entire human spectrum. So you're going to

949
00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:13,520
Speaker 18: get men, women, you know, and it's going to be

950
00:45:13,560 --> 00:45:16,480
Speaker 18: First Nations people, people of color, the lgbt QUI A

951
00:45:16,520 --> 00:45:20,759
Speaker 18: plus community, you know, people with both visible and invisible disabilities.

952
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:21,560
Speaker 17: You know, speak to that.

953
00:45:21,640 --> 00:45:25,200
Speaker 18: I can speak to the experience of being you know, autistic, neurodivergent.

954
00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:28,279
Speaker 18: There's also going to be refugees and migrants and other

955
00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:31,600
Speaker 18: marginalized groups who whose experiences are going to be you know,

956
00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:35,880
Speaker 18: even harder to reach justice, if not impossible because of

957
00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:37,799
Speaker 18: you know, other systemic disadvantages.

958
00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:38,719
Speaker 17: And there's going to be.

959
00:45:39,080 --> 00:45:42,440
Speaker 18: There's going to be a whole mix of intersectional experiences

960
00:45:42,520 --> 00:45:45,360
Speaker 18: that still remain underrepresented, and we want to hear those.

961
00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:48,640
Speaker 18: And so I hope that in a way this book

962
00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:52,160
Speaker 18: can be for some people who again they might be survivors,

963
00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:55,200
Speaker 18: but then also people who aren't survivors, and it can

964
00:45:55,239 --> 00:45:58,799
Speaker 18: be a blueprint to see that there are these you know,

965
00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:03,880
Speaker 18: connections between you know, it might be the experience of

966
00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:07,120
Speaker 18: a psychosocial disability, for example, it might be their experience

967
00:46:07,120 --> 00:46:11,800
Speaker 18: of a violent incident or grooming or you know, whatever

968
00:46:11,840 --> 00:46:15,880
Speaker 18: it is, and then these you know, behaviors or you know,

969
00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:18,919
Speaker 18: struggles afterwards, and they can make that they can join

970
00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:23,359
Speaker 18: these dots and we can see that rather than you know,

971
00:46:23,680 --> 00:46:28,360
Speaker 18: pointing the finger of shame and blame disproportionately at victims

972
00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:30,520
Speaker 18: and their behaviors after the fact. And yes, we all

973
00:46:30,520 --> 00:46:32,680
Speaker 18: do need to be accountable for our behaviors, and we

974
00:46:32,719 --> 00:46:36,239
Speaker 18: can't use trauma as some kind of shield or some

975
00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:39,600
Speaker 18: kind of excuse. But instead of like you know, putting

976
00:46:39,719 --> 00:46:42,319
Speaker 18: people on display, victims on display and going oh, look

977
00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:45,879
Speaker 18: at you and your bong or whatever like that, you go, right,

978
00:46:46,120 --> 00:46:50,520
Speaker 18: that's a that's a manifestation of trauma, and why aren't

979
00:46:50,560 --> 00:46:53,360
Speaker 18: we why aren't we putting the you know, the pedophiles

980
00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:58,200
Speaker 18: and the you know, the perpetrators on display, and you know,

981
00:46:58,360 --> 00:46:59,920
Speaker 18: picking apart their behavior.

982
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:02,000
Speaker 17: That's what we should.

983
00:47:01,719 --> 00:47:04,080
Speaker 2: Be doing, you know, powerful message, mate.

984
00:47:03,880 --> 00:47:07,520
Speaker 18: That's I just personally haven't seen a proportionate shaming and

985
00:47:07,520 --> 00:47:10,520
Speaker 18: blaming of the people who created these problems and actually

986
00:47:10,520 --> 00:47:12,319
Speaker 18: perpetrate these crimes in the first place.

987
00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:13,520
Speaker 17: I'm really yet to see it.

988
00:47:13,719 --> 00:47:15,439
Speaker 18: And so I hope, yeah, I hope, as I say,

989
00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:18,719
Speaker 18: this can be a blueprint at least, you know, it's

990
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:19,800
Speaker 18: it's not the answer.

991
00:47:19,840 --> 00:47:21,640
Speaker 17: I don't have all the answers. I've never claimed to

992
00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:22,040
Speaker 17: have all.

993
00:47:23,160 --> 00:47:25,399
Speaker 2: You said that in the song as well. You're you're

994
00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:29,359
Speaker 2: a sample of a huge STU community. You can share

995
00:47:29,400 --> 00:47:31,640
Speaker 2: your story and hopefully, as you said, you can provide

996
00:47:31,640 --> 00:47:34,880
Speaker 2: a blueprint and some inspiration even for other people to

997
00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:37,040
Speaker 2: seek the same sort of voice, the same sort of

998
00:47:37,160 --> 00:47:38,000
Speaker 2: justice that you've got.

999
00:47:38,040 --> 00:47:39,800
Speaker 4: So it's great to have you in the studio.

1000
00:47:40,040 --> 00:47:40,680
Speaker 17: Thanks for having me.

1001
00:47:40,680 --> 00:47:44,200
Speaker 2: Always great to hear you talk as well, Grace, as

1002
00:47:44,239 --> 00:47:46,520
Speaker 2: mean while The Ninth Life of a Diamond Minor is

1003
00:47:46,560 --> 00:47:48,120
Speaker 2: available now at all good bookstores.

1004
00:47:48,120 --> 00:47:49,680
Speaker 4: Grace, thank you so much for coming in.

1005
00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:51,400
Speaker 17: Yeah, thanks for having me talking like a.

1006
00:47:51,480 --> 00:47:55,480
Speaker 2: Champ as always. It's well and Haylee Baber been a

1007
00:47:55,480 --> 00:47:58,880
Speaker 2: little bit of a saucy podcast this morning, so saucy

1008
00:47:58,920 --> 00:48:03,120
Speaker 2: in fact that we can't play some of the audio, right,

1009
00:48:03,320 --> 00:48:05,759
Speaker 2: So yeah, So the whole podcast is just asking, you know,

1010
00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:08,600
Speaker 2: just getting down into the you know, the ins and outs,

1011
00:48:09,120 --> 00:48:12,040
Speaker 2: the nitty gritty, yes, the nitty gritty of how they

1012
00:48:12,120 --> 00:48:16,040
Speaker 2: drill the dingo, she and Justin Bieber, how they floss

1013
00:48:16,040 --> 00:48:18,640
Speaker 2: the fairy, how they bop the squirtles, how they split

1014
00:48:18,719 --> 00:48:22,280
Speaker 2: beards together woods of course no beds there, that fat

1015
00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:23,320
Speaker 2: infirmary together.

1016
00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:27,640
Speaker 5: I think Justin would be bold like but yeah, right,

1017
00:48:31,080 --> 00:48:32,600
Speaker 5: well we won't be taking calls on that.

1018
00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:38,560
Speaker 2: On how other beab keeps it downstairs. But it is.

1019
00:48:38,600 --> 00:48:41,040
Speaker 2: It is a fascinating It is a fascinating chat for

1020
00:48:41,080 --> 00:48:43,040
Speaker 2: lots of different reasons. I will play you some of

1021
00:48:43,080 --> 00:48:45,799
Speaker 2: the audio here, and this first one is just at

1022
00:48:45,800 --> 00:48:48,960
Speaker 2: what time of the day she and Justin Bieber like

1023
00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:50,680
Speaker 2: to get two tickets to Shark fin in.

1024
00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:53,839
Speaker 17: A morning sex or Nate sex people.

1025
00:48:54,680 --> 00:48:58,560
Speaker 14: More so Nate me too, But I do like morning too.

1026
00:48:59,080 --> 00:48:59,480
Speaker 4: There you go.

1027
00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:01,839
Speaker 2: I doesn't mind getting the twinkie stinky at any time

1028
00:49:01,840 --> 00:49:02,160
Speaker 2: of the day.

1029
00:49:02,200 --> 00:49:04,920
Speaker 1: But then well she didn't say lunchtime. She left out lunchtime,

1030
00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:06,720
Speaker 1: so she's not in the middle of the day, lady.

1031
00:49:06,840 --> 00:49:08,359
Speaker 4: She did now.

1032
00:49:08,520 --> 00:49:10,200
Speaker 2: But the interesting part about this, I want to get

1033
00:49:10,239 --> 00:49:13,000
Speaker 2: away from all the all the digging up sand crabs

1034
00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:15,160
Speaker 2: and crashing custard trucks that came in the rest of

1035
00:49:15,160 --> 00:49:17,799
Speaker 2: the chat. Let's just get down to what I think

1036
00:49:17,840 --> 00:49:21,160
Speaker 2: is the most interesting part. Yeah, which is that her

1037
00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:24,560
Speaker 2: parents had to listen to this interview.

1038
00:49:25,600 --> 00:49:27,320
Speaker 14: It's so funny because I talk about this of and

1039
00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:29,600
Speaker 14: the reason I get weird about talking about it is

1040
00:49:29,600 --> 00:49:31,799
Speaker 14: because I'm like, if my parents are going to listen

1041
00:49:31,840 --> 00:49:35,240
Speaker 14: to this, there's something that feels so cringe know about

1042
00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:35,960
Speaker 14: your parents.

1043
00:49:36,360 --> 00:49:37,560
Speaker 17: Hopefully they don't make it this far.

1044
00:49:38,320 --> 00:49:42,120
Speaker 1: Poor Steve, he's already the worst Baldwin and now he's got.

1045
00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:42,200
Speaker 14: To hear that.

1046
00:49:42,280 --> 00:49:44,439
Speaker 2: Oh that's her dad. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, right, yeah,

1047
00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:47,080
Speaker 2: nothing worse the thought of, you know, I've got a

1048
00:49:47,120 --> 00:49:50,160
Speaker 2: daughter now, the thought of her growing up and being

1049
00:49:50,200 --> 00:49:53,880
Speaker 2: involved in any sort of horizontal, greased weasel tango terrifies me.

1050
00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:55,200
Speaker 4: I don't want to I don't want to think about it.

1051
00:49:55,239 --> 00:49:57,560
Speaker 3: I never her to talk about it in the podcast.

1052
00:49:57,640 --> 00:49:58,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that kills me.

1053
00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:01,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, sure, But I I'm worried about the fact that,

1054
00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:04,759
Speaker 2: you know, I feel like this is an indication of

1055
00:50:04,800 --> 00:50:08,120
Speaker 2: the fact that missing the birds and the bees chat

1056
00:50:08,239 --> 00:50:10,319
Speaker 2: is obviously a very easy thing to do.

1057
00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:13,080
Speaker 3: Did you ever have actually the birds and bees chat?

1058
00:50:13,120 --> 00:50:13,200
Speaker 12: Ye?

1059
00:50:13,960 --> 00:50:15,240
Speaker 1: I never had a birds and bees.

1060
00:50:15,120 --> 00:50:16,919
Speaker 2: I never had a birds and bees chat. In fact,

1061
00:50:17,200 --> 00:50:21,080
Speaker 2: we know for a fact that your dad only realized

1062
00:50:21,120 --> 00:50:22,759
Speaker 2: that he missed the birds and bees chat because he

1063
00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:24,279
Speaker 2: walked around the side of the house one day and

1064
00:50:24,360 --> 00:50:26,799
Speaker 2: he thought a tree was flowering, when in fact there

1065
00:50:26,840 --> 00:50:28,200
Speaker 2: were just condoms hanging off it.

1066
00:50:28,440 --> 00:50:32,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, true story, that's a true story. And it was like,

1067
00:50:32,920 --> 00:50:34,960
Speaker 1: who the hell is throwing condoms on this tree? And

1068
00:50:34,960 --> 00:50:36,319
Speaker 1: then he looked to the left and it was right

1069
00:50:36,320 --> 00:50:40,680
Speaker 1: outside my window. I thought they were biodegradable. Turns out

1070
00:50:40,680 --> 00:50:43,239
Speaker 1: they're not. So he had the moment he was like, well,

1071
00:50:43,280 --> 00:50:45,319
Speaker 1: I've missed the chat, no need to bother.

1072
00:50:46,200 --> 00:50:50,400
Speaker 2: Is the birds and bees chat extinct? Is anybody listening

1073
00:50:50,480 --> 00:50:53,479
Speaker 2: right now? Did you actually receive a birds and bees

1074
00:50:53,560 --> 00:50:58,920
Speaker 2: chat from your parents his phone number?

1075
00:50:59,320 --> 00:51:01,120
Speaker 1: And how had they go about it? As well, yes,

1076
00:51:01,160 --> 00:51:02,759
Speaker 1: I'd be so interested to hear how they went because

1077
00:51:02,760 --> 00:51:04,960
Speaker 1: I never experienced one. So, if you have received a

1078
00:51:05,000 --> 00:51:06,319
Speaker 1: Birds and Bees, yes, what.

1079
00:51:06,320 --> 00:51:08,399
Speaker 2: Did they go for? Did you get it from mum?

1080
00:51:08,440 --> 00:51:11,320
Speaker 2: Did you get it from dad? Did they use an analogy? Yes?

1081
00:51:11,440 --> 00:51:13,640
Speaker 2: I'd love to hear all the ins and out. Did

1082
00:51:13,719 --> 00:51:16,040
Speaker 2: your parents give you a Birds and Bees chat?

1083
00:51:16,200 --> 00:51:16,279
Speaker 6: Le?

1084
00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:20,399
Speaker 2: What did they go for? Are the on the only

1085
00:51:20,440 --> 00:51:22,399
Speaker 2: birds in Bee's chat? I got with my dad as

1086
00:51:22,440 --> 00:51:25,680
Speaker 2: we were watching a watching Vanilla Sky, the movie with

1087
00:51:25,960 --> 00:51:29,000
Speaker 2: Tom Cruise, Cameron Diaz. Vanellope Cruz came into it. There

1088
00:51:29,080 --> 00:51:31,880
Speaker 2: was there was a scene. There was a scene involving

1089
00:51:31,920 --> 00:51:35,359
Speaker 2: locking legs and swapping gravy and Dad paused them. Dad

1090
00:51:35,400 --> 00:51:38,080
Speaker 2: paused the movie and looked at me and he said, well,

1091
00:51:38,120 --> 00:51:39,759
Speaker 2: you can't watch this. And I was like, why is that?

1092
00:51:39,800 --> 00:51:42,000
Speaker 2: And he said, well, you've never been inside a woman.

1093
00:51:42,080 --> 00:51:46,000
Speaker 2: And I was like, I don't think that's perfect.

1094
00:51:46,040 --> 00:51:47,840
Speaker 1: Birds and Bees chat? That was it, And I'm not

1095
00:51:47,840 --> 00:51:50,480
Speaker 1: sure if that's the rule for watching sex scenes. Sorry, mate,

1096
00:51:50,480 --> 00:51:53,080
Speaker 1: if you haven't done it, you can't watch it.

1097
00:51:53,800 --> 00:51:56,920
Speaker 2: Weird. I got cent to bed. I vividly remember it.

1098
00:51:56,960 --> 00:51:59,440
Speaker 2: I got Cent to bed. He was like not for you, mate. Anyway,

1099
00:52:00,200 --> 00:52:02,520
Speaker 2: we're talking about it because Haley Beaber has been in

1100
00:52:02,560 --> 00:52:04,759
Speaker 2: a very very naughty podcast. Can't use a lot of

1101
00:52:04,800 --> 00:52:07,359
Speaker 2: that audio, but she said exactly that was my parents

1102
00:52:07,440 --> 00:52:09,160
Speaker 2: might be listening to this. They obviously didn't get in

1103
00:52:09,239 --> 00:52:14,719
Speaker 2: with the birds and bees chat. But Sarah, your parents did, No.

1104
00:52:14,760 --> 00:52:16,680
Speaker 16: They didn't, and I ended up with a baby at

1105
00:52:16,719 --> 00:52:18,719
Speaker 16: sixteen because they didn't give me a bird of.

1106
00:52:18,680 --> 00:52:23,400
Speaker 1: These what hang on, Sarah? Genuinely, you didn't think that

1107
00:52:23,760 --> 00:52:26,040
Speaker 1: sex would lead to having a baby.

1108
00:52:26,080 --> 00:52:29,400
Speaker 16: Okay, I knew sex would lead to having a baby, obviously,

1109
00:52:29,480 --> 00:52:33,560
Speaker 16: sex fad, but never learn in sex said that the

1110
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Speaker 16: pullout method would still leave you with a baby, right, yeah, totally,

1111
00:52:40,760 --> 00:52:41,200
Speaker 16: no matter what.

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Speaker 1: Okay, it's good to have on the radio the view

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Speaker 1: that the bull method work.

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Speaker 4: It doesn't work.

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00:52:46,680 --> 00:52:47,680
Speaker 1: It does not know.

1116
00:52:48,640 --> 00:52:50,640
Speaker 2: But I'm sure Sarah's got a beautiful baby now and

1117
00:52:50,640 --> 00:52:51,320
Speaker 2: she's very happy.

1118
00:52:51,600 --> 00:52:54,880
Speaker 3: But of course I'm sure the baby was listening on.

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Speaker 8: The babies probably just realized that, well to the world,

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Speaker 8: little fella, Billy six gooday Billy, gooday Billy, you had

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Speaker 8: a bird and bees chat?

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Speaker 11: Yes I did.

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Speaker 2: So.

1124
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Speaker 11: It was school holidays. I was about twelve and Dad

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Speaker 11: said yeah. So Dad said we're going down to the pub,

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Speaker 11: and we got to the park, we ordered our food

1127
00:53:23,160 --> 00:53:26,200
Speaker 11: and stuff, and then he said, well, son, I think

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Speaker 11: it's time we talk about the birds and the bees.

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Speaker 1: Well did he order the bangers and mats just to

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Speaker 1: give like a visual demonstration.

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Speaker 13: No, but it probably would have been more funny if

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Speaker 13: he did.

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Speaker 2: And so what did he go with, Billy? Did he

1134
00:53:38,880 --> 00:53:41,480
Speaker 2: use an analogy? How did he dance around it?

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Speaker 13: I can't clear remember, but he just you know, it's

1136
00:53:46,360 --> 00:53:48,400
Speaker 13: just started with a typical line when a man and

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Speaker 13: a woman love each other very much.

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Speaker 4: They Wow, he went with that.

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Speaker 3: So did it work for you though, Billy?

1140
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Speaker 1: Did you come out of that conversation and go, Okay,

1141
00:53:56,000 --> 00:53:57,200
Speaker 1: I'm more prepared for the world.

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Speaker 13: Well, years later I kind of discovered that I'm gay.

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Speaker 13: So it didn't really work out.

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Speaker 2: A man and a woman love each other totally redundant

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Speaker 2: to oh that's good thanks to the goold Billy, that's

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Speaker 2: not that should be covered off.

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00:54:13,080 --> 00:54:14,319
Speaker 1: Well, absolutely think about it.

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Speaker 2: You're in the twenty first entry Aaron taking time. You

1149
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Speaker 2: had a birds and beast chat.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, I had a birds and the bees chat. I

1151
00:54:20,480 --> 00:54:23,120
Speaker 12: remember going shopping without a safe and we hopped in

1152
00:54:23,160 --> 00:54:25,680
Speaker 12: the car and he goes, it's time we have a chat.

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00:54:25,680 --> 00:54:27,400
Speaker 12: And I was thinking, oh God, here we go. And

1154
00:54:27,480 --> 00:54:29,680
Speaker 12: he goes, starts off with the birds and the bees,

1155
00:54:29,760 --> 00:54:31,640
Speaker 12: the flowers and the trees, and he goes, you know what,

1156
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Speaker 12: scrap that just always remember some tarp up And I didn't.

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Speaker 12: I didn't learn from that at all because I ended

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Speaker 12: up having four kids while the time was twenty four