1 00:00:00,400 --> 00:00:02,320 Speaker 1: And it is Friday morning. It is time for the 2 00:00:02,360 --> 00:00:04,600 Speaker 1: week that was. I'm very excited bit of a different 3 00:00:04,680 --> 00:00:07,760 Speaker 1: lineup this morning. We've got Bill Yan, the Opposition spokesperson 4 00:00:07,800 --> 00:00:08,160 Speaker 1: for Health. 5 00:00:08,160 --> 00:00:11,520 Speaker 2: Good morning to you, very well. We've got Robin Lamley, 6 00:00:11,560 --> 00:00:14,200 Speaker 2: the Independent Member for a Loan. Good morning to you, Robert. 7 00:00:14,280 --> 00:00:15,360 Speaker 3: Good morning, Katie. 8 00:00:15,400 --> 00:00:19,200 Speaker 1: We've got Thomas Morgan, the Northern Territory News Political Editor. 9 00:00:19,239 --> 00:00:22,360 Speaker 1: Good morning to you, Tom Lovely. I better turn your 10 00:00:22,440 --> 00:00:26,680 Speaker 1: microphone on that morning again. And Selena Rubo, the Attorney 11 00:00:26,680 --> 00:00:29,240 Speaker 1: General here in the Northern Territory, Good morning to you. 12 00:00:29,280 --> 00:00:31,760 Speaker 4: Wanting Katie shout out to Catherine twenty nine degrees. 13 00:00:31,760 --> 00:00:34,000 Speaker 1: They must be cold down there. Oh yeah, I reckon, 14 00:00:34,080 --> 00:00:36,200 Speaker 1: it's been hot in Catherine. It looks like this week 15 00:00:36,479 --> 00:00:38,919 Speaker 1: it's also been hot inside Parliament House by the look 16 00:00:38,960 --> 00:00:39,240 Speaker 1: of things. 17 00:00:39,320 --> 00:00:40,360 Speaker 2: A very interesting week. 18 00:00:40,360 --> 00:00:43,760 Speaker 1: But I want to kick off with the situation where 19 00:00:44,159 --> 00:00:46,080 Speaker 1: the health system is in at the moment. We know 20 00:00:46,159 --> 00:00:49,040 Speaker 1: that a code yellow has now been called for Royal 21 00:00:49,120 --> 00:00:52,080 Speaker 1: Darwin and Palmerston Regional Hospitals now. The AMA and the 22 00:00:52,159 --> 00:00:55,720 Speaker 1: Nurses Federation called for a Code Brown earlier in the 23 00:00:55,760 --> 00:01:00,240 Speaker 1: week after outlining serious concerns at the Northern territories, hospitals, 24 00:01:00,240 --> 00:01:03,880 Speaker 1: COVID rolls through the Northern Territory and hospital beds fill 25 00:01:03,920 --> 00:01:07,800 Speaker 1: with those cases. Here is a little bit, firstly of 26 00:01:07,840 --> 00:01:10,120 Speaker 1: what kath Hatcher had to tell us on the show. 27 00:01:10,200 --> 00:01:12,760 Speaker 1: A little bit earlier in the week, the Chief Minister 28 00:01:12,880 --> 00:01:15,200 Speaker 1: on the show had said that, you know, the COVID 29 00:01:15,240 --> 00:01:18,440 Speaker 1: numbers that we're getting at the moment are quite manageable, 30 00:01:18,560 --> 00:01:21,720 Speaker 1: but then you know when we hear from staff, it 31 00:01:21,840 --> 00:01:25,240 Speaker 1: really doesn't seem like it's very manageable at the moment. 32 00:01:25,760 --> 00:01:29,440 Speaker 5: No, it's not manageable. There's three full COVID wards at 33 00:01:29,520 --> 00:01:35,240 Speaker 5: Royal Dalen Hospital, few in Katherine and in gov They're 34 00:01:35,280 --> 00:01:42,800 Speaker 5: all understaff. They're all overworked, overtime double ships twelve twelve 35 00:01:42,840 --> 00:01:47,000 Speaker 5: hour shifts or if not eighteen our ships. They're exhausted, 36 00:01:47,040 --> 00:01:52,160 Speaker 5: they're getting towards burnout, and we wanted the Health Minister 37 00:01:52,320 --> 00:01:55,080 Speaker 5: and the Chief Minister and to stand up and pay 38 00:01:55,120 --> 00:01:59,400 Speaker 5: attention that they might think it's being okay, but it's not. 39 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:03,160 Speaker 1: We'd also heard from the AMA doctor Robert Parker telling 40 00:02:03,280 --> 00:02:06,640 Speaker 1: us on the show that one doctor had told him 41 00:02:06,680 --> 00:02:09,560 Speaker 1: that he was actually hoping to get COVID, so that 42 00:02:09,600 --> 00:02:12,440 Speaker 1: he could have some downtime and I think that if 43 00:02:12,440 --> 00:02:15,600 Speaker 1: that really doesn't show you just how exasperated some of 44 00:02:15,680 --> 00:02:19,600 Speaker 1: our healthcare professionals are at this point, nothing will. There 45 00:02:19,680 --> 00:02:22,399 Speaker 1: is no doubt that it is a really tough time 46 00:02:22,440 --> 00:02:24,800 Speaker 1: at the moment right across our health system. 47 00:02:25,320 --> 00:02:28,440 Speaker 6: Certainly is Katie. When you look at the fact that 48 00:02:28,480 --> 00:02:30,600 Speaker 6: we've had Robert Parker, the head of the AMA here 49 00:02:30,600 --> 00:02:33,800 Speaker 6: at Territory in Cathatcher from the Nurses Federation have to 50 00:02:33,800 --> 00:02:38,000 Speaker 6: come out and actually ask the government to institute a 51 00:02:38,040 --> 00:02:41,200 Speaker 6: Code Brown to make sure that they're protecting the staff 52 00:02:41,240 --> 00:02:44,840 Speaker 6: and protecting patients in our hospitals. That speaks volumes for 53 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:49,560 Speaker 6: where our health system is at for government not to 54 00:02:49,600 --> 00:02:51,160 Speaker 6: act on that, and then we end up in a 55 00:02:51,160 --> 00:02:53,320 Speaker 6: Code Yellow a few days later, and of course that 56 00:02:53,440 --> 00:02:55,600 Speaker 6: was leaked to the media and government didn't actually come 57 00:02:55,639 --> 00:02:59,120 Speaker 6: out and be proactive and announce that. It shows a 58 00:02:59,200 --> 00:03:01,600 Speaker 6: very very large connect between the people on the ground 59 00:03:01,680 --> 00:03:04,600 Speaker 6: and certainly the minister. And you've got to wonder who 60 00:03:04,680 --> 00:03:06,520 Speaker 6: do we believe. Do we believe the people on the 61 00:03:06,520 --> 00:03:08,600 Speaker 6: ground working and living this every day, or do we 62 00:03:08,960 --> 00:03:11,239 Speaker 6: believe the people sitting in Parliament House. 63 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:13,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, look, I think at the end of the day, 64 00:03:13,680 --> 00:03:16,320 Speaker 1: if you've got nurses and doctors, you've got healthcare professionals 65 00:03:16,360 --> 00:03:19,320 Speaker 1: saying we need help. You know, both cath Hatcher and 66 00:03:19,360 --> 00:03:21,959 Speaker 1: also Robert Parker had said to me through the week 67 00:03:22,000 --> 00:03:24,200 Speaker 1: as well, you know, maybe we need to call in 68 00:03:24,840 --> 00:03:27,680 Speaker 1: for federal assistance, Maybe we need the National Critical Care 69 00:03:27,720 --> 00:03:31,640 Speaker 1: and Trauma Response Center to provide some assistance or the ADF. 70 00:03:32,120 --> 00:03:34,639 Speaker 1: When you're in a situation where that kind of discussion 71 00:03:34,720 --> 00:03:37,080 Speaker 1: is even happening, I think it goes to show you 72 00:03:37,120 --> 00:03:38,360 Speaker 1: how much stress they're under. 73 00:03:38,360 --> 00:03:41,840 Speaker 2: But the irony here is that we've known. 74 00:03:41,680 --> 00:03:44,280 Speaker 1: For really quite some time that the healthcare system was 75 00:03:44,320 --> 00:03:46,440 Speaker 1: going to be under stressed, because we were under stressed 76 00:03:46,480 --> 00:03:48,080 Speaker 1: before we had COVID cases. 77 00:03:48,600 --> 00:03:53,160 Speaker 3: Yeah. Look what I find bizarre, Katie, is we've just 78 00:03:53,240 --> 00:03:56,720 Speaker 3: been a week in Parliament hearing from the government about 79 00:03:56,720 --> 00:04:01,280 Speaker 3: how good, how well they've managed COVID, how great they are, 80 00:04:02,600 --> 00:04:05,440 Speaker 3: and this flies in the face of all that. I 81 00:04:05,440 --> 00:04:08,360 Speaker 3: think the government needs to just take a step back 82 00:04:08,600 --> 00:04:11,440 Speaker 3: and perhaps take some responsibility for some of the problems 83 00:04:11,480 --> 00:04:17,799 Speaker 3: that they're experiencing. Look that they were foreseeable staff, health staff, 84 00:04:17,839 --> 00:04:21,239 Speaker 3: hospital staff all around the country are doing it extremely tough, 85 00:04:21,320 --> 00:04:24,360 Speaker 3: so we're not unique there, but I think it's time 86 00:04:24,400 --> 00:04:28,520 Speaker 3: for the government to actually maybe take some responsibility. 87 00:04:29,200 --> 00:04:30,680 Speaker 2: Selena Katie. 88 00:04:30,839 --> 00:04:33,920 Speaker 4: Something that we have never shied away from is the 89 00:04:33,920 --> 00:04:37,240 Speaker 4: pressure that our health system and our other frontline services 90 00:04:37,320 --> 00:04:40,800 Speaker 4: are under throughout this global pandemic. Of course, we've been 91 00:04:41,080 --> 00:04:46,839 Speaker 4: in this state of emergency for over two years now 92 00:04:46,920 --> 00:04:51,480 Speaker 4: and we've had the mechanisms in place. When we're talking 93 00:04:51,560 --> 00:04:54,039 Speaker 4: about the pressure, particularly on our hospitals here in the 94 00:04:54,080 --> 00:04:57,920 Speaker 4: Northern Territory, some of those operational decisions are made by 95 00:04:57,920 --> 00:05:00,760 Speaker 4: the experts that it's not something that's been thought of 96 00:05:00,800 --> 00:05:03,920 Speaker 4: it as a last minute. These are daily conversations that are 97 00:05:03,920 --> 00:05:07,800 Speaker 4: happening within our care facilities and our hospitals right across 98 00:05:07,800 --> 00:05:11,120 Speaker 4: the Northern Territory. So it's not something that necessarily is 99 00:05:11,200 --> 00:05:14,920 Speaker 4: going to be a public release or a media release 100 00:05:14,960 --> 00:05:16,000 Speaker 4: on day in, day out. 101 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:20,440 Speaker 1: We know the pressures are there embarrassing come Wednesday or 102 00:05:20,440 --> 00:05:23,960 Speaker 1: whenever it was, after the IMA and the Nurses Union 103 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:26,400 Speaker 1: had been saying, oh, look we need desperate help, we 104 00:05:26,400 --> 00:05:29,039 Speaker 1: want to code brown and then you know, for it 105 00:05:29,080 --> 00:05:31,400 Speaker 1: to come out late that afternoon in the media, Tom 106 00:05:31,400 --> 00:05:32,560 Speaker 1: it was was it through. 107 00:05:32,400 --> 00:05:34,680 Speaker 2: You that that eventually came out. 108 00:05:34,760 --> 00:05:36,720 Speaker 7: I wasn't the one who broke that story. It was 109 00:05:36,880 --> 00:05:37,799 Speaker 7: a colleague of mine. 110 00:05:37,880 --> 00:05:41,039 Speaker 8: But what I want clarification on is the Chief Minister 111 00:05:41,120 --> 00:05:44,240 Speaker 8: came out a couple of weeks ago and said we're 112 00:05:44,440 --> 00:05:47,400 Speaker 8: counseling elective surgeries for a few weeks, and then now 113 00:05:47,400 --> 00:05:49,600 Speaker 8: there's been a declaration of a code yellow, which is 114 00:05:49,720 --> 00:05:53,240 Speaker 8: effectively the same thing counceling elective surgeries and putting all 115 00:05:53,320 --> 00:05:57,800 Speaker 8: of the resources into the ED into the COVID boards essentially. 116 00:05:58,600 --> 00:06:02,440 Speaker 8: So why is the government decided to effectively declare a 117 00:06:02,480 --> 00:06:06,640 Speaker 8: code yellow in orbit name and then decided to call 118 00:06:06,680 --> 00:06:07,560 Speaker 8: a code yellow. 119 00:06:07,320 --> 00:06:08,640 Speaker 9: Again, Katie. 120 00:06:08,680 --> 00:06:13,200 Speaker 4: Those decisions are made basically on a day by day basis, 121 00:06:13,240 --> 00:06:16,599 Speaker 4: and so the resources that do go in and out 122 00:06:16,600 --> 00:06:20,200 Speaker 4: of our hospitals are monitored on that daily basis, and 123 00:06:20,240 --> 00:06:22,400 Speaker 4: more than once a day, it's happening two or three 124 00:06:22,440 --> 00:06:23,040 Speaker 4: times on. 125 00:06:22,960 --> 00:06:23,880 Speaker 9: A daily basis. 126 00:06:23,920 --> 00:06:27,680 Speaker 4: So those decisions are made to call where the resources 127 00:06:28,160 --> 00:06:31,920 Speaker 4: resources should be diverted to to ensure that the highest 128 00:06:32,080 --> 00:06:35,720 Speaker 4: care of need and support is provided and that Territorians 129 00:06:35,760 --> 00:06:38,719 Speaker 4: still get the healthcare that they. 130 00:06:37,920 --> 00:06:39,960 Speaker 1: I reckon the biggest thing that a lot of Territorians 131 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:42,240 Speaker 1: will be saying right now listening to this this morning, 132 00:06:42,360 --> 00:06:44,960 Speaker 1: is we've known for quite some time that COVID's going 133 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:46,640 Speaker 1: to be on the cards. You know, Robert Parker and 134 00:06:46,720 --> 00:06:49,440 Speaker 1: Cathatcher have joined me on the show before and said, look, 135 00:06:49,440 --> 00:06:51,760 Speaker 1: COVID is going to arrive and when it does, it's 136 00:06:51,800 --> 00:06:53,640 Speaker 1: going to have a massive impact. We're just having a 137 00:06:53,640 --> 00:06:56,720 Speaker 1: microphone malfunction there. When it does, it's no doubt going 138 00:06:56,760 --> 00:07:00,040 Speaker 1: to have a massive impact. So we know that, we 139 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:01,960 Speaker 1: know and have known that it's going to be on 140 00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:04,040 Speaker 1: the cards for quite some time. So a lot of 141 00:07:04,040 --> 00:07:08,320 Speaker 1: people questioning why hasn't there been Why hasn't there been 142 00:07:08,680 --> 00:07:13,160 Speaker 1: you know those operational sort of you know, that input 143 00:07:13,680 --> 00:07:16,119 Speaker 1: down the track or back, you know, down the track 144 00:07:16,160 --> 00:07:18,040 Speaker 1: to make sure we had more staff and make sure 145 00:07:18,080 --> 00:07:19,720 Speaker 1: we had more nurses and make sure. 146 00:07:19,560 --> 00:07:22,600 Speaker 2: That we had what we were required. Once COVID hit. 147 00:07:22,880 --> 00:07:25,000 Speaker 6: Well, that's that's the key to it, Katie, It really 148 00:07:25,040 --> 00:07:28,760 Speaker 6: really is. I said two years we've known COVID is coming, 149 00:07:29,120 --> 00:07:32,440 Speaker 6: and cath and Rob Parker have been out on the 150 00:07:32,480 --> 00:07:36,400 Speaker 6: front foot talking about this, crying out for resources. And 151 00:07:36,440 --> 00:07:38,400 Speaker 6: I said it yesterday in Parliament. I'll give for the 152 00:07:38,480 --> 00:07:41,760 Speaker 6: Victorian government one thing. They put their pride aside, actually 153 00:07:41,760 --> 00:07:44,760 Speaker 6: called the Code Brown for their health system, knowing the 154 00:07:44,800 --> 00:07:47,320 Speaker 6: issues that they were going to face. And here we 155 00:07:47,360 --> 00:07:52,400 Speaker 6: have the two leading organizations representing our health professionals asking 156 00:07:52,400 --> 00:07:55,280 Speaker 6: for that assistance, pleading for their assistants, and the government 157 00:07:55,320 --> 00:07:57,520 Speaker 6: decided that no, no, there's nothing to see here. 158 00:07:57,560 --> 00:07:58,360 Speaker 2: We won't worry about it. 159 00:07:58,400 --> 00:08:00,920 Speaker 6: And then we said, Cody Low a few days I go, 160 00:08:01,160 --> 00:08:02,360 Speaker 6: I go back to who do we believe? 161 00:08:02,680 --> 00:08:04,640 Speaker 8: And Bill, you were talking in Parliament last night about 162 00:08:04,640 --> 00:08:06,760 Speaker 8: an anecdote and this goes to a sort of broader 163 00:08:06,760 --> 00:08:11,160 Speaker 8: issue of communication within between government and health organizations. You 164 00:08:11,200 --> 00:08:14,280 Speaker 8: were talking about an anecdote you heard from an archo, 165 00:08:14,560 --> 00:08:18,400 Speaker 8: an Aboriginal controlled community health organization about you know that 166 00:08:18,600 --> 00:08:21,360 Speaker 8: have one person watching the Facebook stream, one person watching 167 00:08:21,360 --> 00:08:24,240 Speaker 8: the Chief Minister's Facebook, one person on the Securit and 168 00:08:24,280 --> 00:08:27,440 Speaker 8: Tey website, you know, watching when the Chief Minister was 169 00:08:27,440 --> 00:08:29,960 Speaker 8: making an announcement, and then they all come together at 170 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:32,160 Speaker 8: the end of end of the announcement and try to 171 00:08:32,160 --> 00:08:34,960 Speaker 8: work out what the government's changes were on the front 172 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:37,640 Speaker 8: line or in terms of COVID restrictions and how they. 173 00:08:37,559 --> 00:08:40,480 Speaker 6: Were trying to figure out how these announcements are going 174 00:08:40,480 --> 00:08:43,280 Speaker 6: to affect what they provide every day. And because it 175 00:08:43,320 --> 00:08:46,880 Speaker 6: wasn't clear, imagine trying to tie up three of the 176 00:08:47,000 --> 00:08:50,360 Speaker 6: chief executives to figure out a nice, simple message that 177 00:08:50,520 --> 00:08:53,320 Speaker 6: time could be far better spent doing other things if 178 00:08:53,360 --> 00:08:56,200 Speaker 6: we could get some nice, clear, simple messaging out to 179 00:08:56,280 --> 00:08:57,280 Speaker 6: the people's territory. 180 00:08:57,520 --> 00:08:59,600 Speaker 2: Well, look, we might take a very short break. 181 00:08:59,600 --> 00:09:01,599 Speaker 1: I'm just going to sort out this microphone issue, and 182 00:09:02,040 --> 00:09:04,439 Speaker 1: when we come back there is plenty more to discuss 183 00:09:04,480 --> 00:09:05,240 Speaker 1: on the week that was. 184 00:09:05,280 --> 00:09:07,559 Speaker 2: You are listening to Mix one O four point nine. 185 00:09:07,760 --> 00:09:10,360 Speaker 1: But like I said, it certainly has been an interesting 186 00:09:10,520 --> 00:09:13,040 Speaker 1: and busy week. And one of the other stories which 187 00:09:13,040 --> 00:09:15,440 Speaker 1: did flow through earlier in the week and raised a 188 00:09:15,440 --> 00:09:17,960 Speaker 1: lot of eyebrows was the one hundred and thirty million 189 00:09:18,000 --> 00:09:22,080 Speaker 1: dollar tender which was issued for the rapid antigen tests. So, 190 00:09:22,760 --> 00:09:26,280 Speaker 1: Bill Yan, I know that you obviously raised some serious 191 00:09:26,360 --> 00:09:28,800 Speaker 1: questions and said that the government had questions to answer 192 00:09:28,880 --> 00:09:31,120 Speaker 1: over White was spending one hundred and thirty million dollars, 193 00:09:31,400 --> 00:09:33,719 Speaker 1: which is more than ten percent of the Northern Territory's 194 00:09:33,800 --> 00:09:38,559 Speaker 1: hospital budget on rapid antigen tests. Now, I understand Tom 195 00:09:38,559 --> 00:09:42,320 Speaker 1: that obviously the Health Minister then did seek to sort 196 00:09:42,320 --> 00:09:46,080 Speaker 1: of clarify the situation and said that it was the 197 00:09:46,120 --> 00:09:46,720 Speaker 1: option of a. 198 00:09:46,760 --> 00:09:49,840 Speaker 2: Year plus a year plus a year. Nonetheless, still an 199 00:09:49,840 --> 00:09:51,560 Speaker 2: awful lot of money on rats. 200 00:09:51,480 --> 00:09:54,240 Speaker 8: A lot of money, and that's still an argument being 201 00:09:54,280 --> 00:09:56,920 Speaker 8: had between the cop and labor. Yes, whether it is 202 00:09:56,960 --> 00:10:00,680 Speaker 8: over twelve months or three years, so that question hasn't 203 00:10:00,720 --> 00:10:03,800 Speaker 8: truly been answered yet. But yes, a lot of rats. 204 00:10:03,800 --> 00:10:05,280 Speaker 8: I think someone did the maths and said it would 205 00:10:05,280 --> 00:10:07,199 Speaker 8: be thirty thousand rat tests today. 206 00:10:07,559 --> 00:10:11,600 Speaker 6: And that's conservative. That's buying at retail prices at twelve 207 00:10:11,640 --> 00:10:14,680 Speaker 6: dollars each. That's thirty six thousand dollars for sorry, thirty 208 00:10:14,720 --> 00:10:17,800 Speaker 6: six staersand kits. Yeah, preey man, woman and child every day. 209 00:10:18,280 --> 00:10:20,600 Speaker 1: And look, I do think that it's incredibly important to 210 00:10:20,640 --> 00:10:22,679 Speaker 1: point out that we do need to make sure that 211 00:10:22,720 --> 00:10:23,800 Speaker 1: those rats are secure. 212 00:10:23,840 --> 00:10:25,319 Speaker 2: We've got to make sure that we've got them. 213 00:10:25,360 --> 00:10:28,000 Speaker 1: But I think what most people thinking was, wow, that 214 00:10:28,160 --> 00:10:29,480 Speaker 1: is so much money. 215 00:10:29,600 --> 00:10:35,199 Speaker 4: Yeah, so, Katie, definitely the twelve months plus twelve months 216 00:10:35,240 --> 00:10:37,160 Speaker 4: plus twelve months, and if you do your math, that 217 00:10:37,320 --> 00:10:40,040 Speaker 4: is up to three years. And it's quite insane that 218 00:10:40,080 --> 00:10:43,559 Speaker 4: the COLP will say you're not doing enough to supply 219 00:10:43,760 --> 00:10:46,360 Speaker 4: and to protect territorians. And then apparently we're doing too 220 00:10:46,440 --> 00:10:48,600 Speaker 4: much because now we're being a responsible government and looking 221 00:10:48,640 --> 00:10:50,839 Speaker 4: at how we can get that supply chain secured for 222 00:10:50,880 --> 00:10:53,280 Speaker 4: the northern territory. So you can do too much or 223 00:10:53,320 --> 00:10:55,760 Speaker 4: you can't do enough, and then somewhere in between we've. 224 00:10:55,600 --> 00:10:58,120 Speaker 9: Actually got to do our duelgree with you now. 225 00:10:58,240 --> 00:11:03,440 Speaker 3: I don't agree with Labor very often that the criticism 226 00:11:03,520 --> 00:11:07,320 Speaker 3: has been waged at the Labor government that they haven't planned. 227 00:11:07,520 --> 00:11:10,200 Speaker 3: This is good planning. Actually, yeah it is. 228 00:11:10,080 --> 00:11:11,439 Speaker 2: But it's not so much money. 229 00:11:11,480 --> 00:11:13,120 Speaker 1: I just think to myself, are we going to get 230 00:11:13,160 --> 00:11:15,000 Speaker 1: to a point though, where these rat tests you can 231 00:11:15,040 --> 00:11:17,120 Speaker 1: actually buy them for like two bucks as the years 232 00:11:17,160 --> 00:11:17,480 Speaker 1: go on. 233 00:11:17,640 --> 00:11:19,920 Speaker 6: You know the question I suppose, Katie, is that the 234 00:11:19,920 --> 00:11:22,920 Speaker 6: actual tender documentary when you go into the tender system, 235 00:11:22,960 --> 00:11:25,960 Speaker 6: you look at the tender documents, it says twelve months, 236 00:11:26,280 --> 00:11:28,880 Speaker 6: twelve months, okay, then supply for twelve months. So if 237 00:11:28,920 --> 00:11:31,640 Speaker 6: you're a business looking to supply, oh, well, I'm looking 238 00:11:31,679 --> 00:11:33,679 Speaker 6: at supplying one hundred and thirty million dollars worth in 239 00:11:33,720 --> 00:11:35,920 Speaker 6: twelve months. Oh I'll hang on. Now, I'll go and 240 00:11:35,960 --> 00:11:38,360 Speaker 6: read the fine print that might be over three years. 241 00:11:39,200 --> 00:11:41,320 Speaker 6: But is that saying look, and I agree, we've got 242 00:11:41,320 --> 00:11:44,760 Speaker 6: a plan. I have no issues with planning because without 243 00:11:45,240 --> 00:11:50,319 Speaker 6: is that old analogy, pretty poor planning equals pretty poor performance. 244 00:11:51,040 --> 00:11:53,840 Speaker 6: So yes, we need those rat kits. But we've got 245 00:11:53,880 --> 00:11:57,080 Speaker 6: to look at three years now, where's the government says 246 00:11:57,080 --> 00:11:59,679 Speaker 6: that things are changing because of COVID. I get that, 247 00:11:59,720 --> 00:12:02,720 Speaker 6: and we need to change that with it. Are we 248 00:12:02,880 --> 00:12:05,240 Speaker 6: saying that COVID is going to be at this level 249 00:12:05,240 --> 00:12:06,800 Speaker 6: in three years time? We're going to be a little 250 00:12:06,800 --> 00:12:08,679 Speaker 6: bit more prudent and to say all right, let's supply 251 00:12:08,800 --> 00:12:11,959 Speaker 6: twelve months, secure twelve months worth and then sort of 252 00:12:12,000 --> 00:12:14,560 Speaker 6: figure out where we're going to be in another six, 253 00:12:14,760 --> 00:12:18,440 Speaker 6: twelve eighty months, two years because to blow that sort 254 00:12:18,440 --> 00:12:19,560 Speaker 6: of money straight up. 255 00:12:19,720 --> 00:12:24,559 Speaker 4: Cool When we're talking about protecting the lives of territories 256 00:12:24,640 --> 00:12:26,760 Speaker 4: and preserving the jobs that we have as well as 257 00:12:26,800 --> 00:12:29,240 Speaker 4: the future jobs that we're anticipating here in the territory, 258 00:12:29,240 --> 00:12:30,920 Speaker 4: and we do have a very bright future over the 259 00:12:30,920 --> 00:12:31,720 Speaker 4: next few years. 260 00:12:32,040 --> 00:12:33,880 Speaker 9: This is responsible government. 261 00:12:33,520 --> 00:12:36,040 Speaker 4: To have that planning. And remember, for Alwin, with Robin 262 00:12:36,120 --> 00:12:37,720 Speaker 4: Lambley agreeing, you've. 263 00:12:37,679 --> 00:12:41,240 Speaker 9: Got to be sensory, rare much, very we can, very much. 264 00:12:41,400 --> 00:12:44,160 Speaker 4: We can say that publicly, but this is very much 265 00:12:44,160 --> 00:12:47,200 Speaker 4: about being sensible and planning stage and I just think 266 00:12:47,240 --> 00:12:51,200 Speaker 4: it's absolutely ridiculous for the COLP to just be opposition 267 00:12:51,280 --> 00:12:52,480 Speaker 4: for oppositions sake. 268 00:12:52,400 --> 00:12:55,200 Speaker 9: Especially with Bill. You know you're the shadow Health Minister. 269 00:12:55,240 --> 00:12:57,120 Speaker 4: Bill, you think you'd get on board and support this 270 00:12:57,280 --> 00:12:59,959 Speaker 4: rather than actually lined. 271 00:13:00,720 --> 00:13:01,880 Speaker 3: It could have got another way. 272 00:13:02,320 --> 00:13:05,600 Speaker 1: The thing is, the worry is this week is it's 273 00:13:05,640 --> 00:13:07,719 Speaker 1: more a situation where when you've got your doctors and 274 00:13:07,800 --> 00:13:10,360 Speaker 1: nurses saying we need help, we need more staff, and 275 00:13:10,400 --> 00:13:12,439 Speaker 1: then you see one hundred and thirty million dollars being 276 00:13:12,440 --> 00:13:13,560 Speaker 1: spent on rat tests. 277 00:13:13,679 --> 00:13:15,880 Speaker 2: We all understand that there needs to be that planning for. 278 00:13:15,840 --> 00:13:18,640 Speaker 1: The future, but I guess you know, the perspective that 279 00:13:18,679 --> 00:13:20,760 Speaker 1: a lot of our listeners had throughout the week is 280 00:13:21,480 --> 00:13:24,400 Speaker 1: what would happen if we actually invested that money into 281 00:13:24,440 --> 00:13:27,080 Speaker 1: making sure that our healthcare system was able to cope 282 00:13:27,400 --> 00:13:30,240 Speaker 1: with COVID and able to, you know, to manage the 283 00:13:30,280 --> 00:13:31,640 Speaker 1: situation that we're currently in. 284 00:13:31,920 --> 00:13:32,600 Speaker 3: Katie, I just. 285 00:13:32,559 --> 00:13:35,480 Speaker 6: Wanted to point out for last week actually, and this 286 00:13:35,720 --> 00:13:37,680 Speaker 6: goes to that whole planning thing. If you went to 287 00:13:37,720 --> 00:13:39,559 Speaker 6: the hospital last week and went to one of your 288 00:13:39,559 --> 00:13:43,280 Speaker 6: out patients' appointments and you went to RDH you weren't 289 00:13:43,280 --> 00:13:45,080 Speaker 6: able to get a rat test. They'd run out, you 290 00:13:45,120 --> 00:13:50,079 Speaker 6: were turned away, you couldn't access the hospital, so. 291 00:13:49,000 --> 00:13:49,720 Speaker 2: You need the test. 292 00:13:49,800 --> 00:13:52,720 Speaker 6: Yeah, well, we definitely know it's planning, but maybe planning 293 00:13:52,720 --> 00:13:53,480 Speaker 6: a little bit too late. 294 00:13:53,559 --> 00:13:56,560 Speaker 3: It isn't this just the same as ordering PPE and 295 00:13:56,600 --> 00:13:59,760 Speaker 3: all the other things that we require to deal with 296 00:13:59,800 --> 00:14:01,280 Speaker 3: co it I don't want. 297 00:14:01,640 --> 00:14:03,160 Speaker 2: Does PPA cost that much? 298 00:14:03,840 --> 00:14:10,480 Speaker 3: Well, it's cost something dollars ordered in PPE. Well, I mean, 299 00:14:10,600 --> 00:14:12,280 Speaker 3: what's the context of this? Who knows? 300 00:14:12,360 --> 00:14:16,280 Speaker 4: But Kadia will say something that we pride ourselves off 301 00:14:16,320 --> 00:14:19,120 Speaker 4: in the Northern Territory are people and the people in 302 00:14:19,160 --> 00:14:21,800 Speaker 4: the territory are our biggest assets. So if we're protecting 303 00:14:21,840 --> 00:14:24,880 Speaker 4: the people in the Northern Territory our health system we 304 00:14:24,960 --> 00:14:27,720 Speaker 4: have said constantly, yes we know we're under pressure, but 305 00:14:27,760 --> 00:14:31,040 Speaker 4: so is the rest of Australian health professions. When we 306 00:14:31,080 --> 00:14:34,400 Speaker 4: see people coming to the territory, it is fantastic that 307 00:14:34,400 --> 00:14:35,800 Speaker 4: they choose the territory to live. 308 00:14:35,640 --> 00:14:36,680 Speaker 9: And work and to stay. 309 00:14:37,080 --> 00:14:40,360 Speaker 4: But we are seeing the health profession stretched and under 310 00:14:40,400 --> 00:14:43,280 Speaker 4: pressure right across the country. And unfortunately it's not just 311 00:14:43,280 --> 00:14:47,360 Speaker 4: a Northern territory experience. It's an Australian spirits experience currently 312 00:14:47,640 --> 00:14:49,440 Speaker 4: under our health staff pressure. 313 00:14:49,480 --> 00:14:51,600 Speaker 3: As oppose to all question is where is the money 314 00:14:51,640 --> 00:14:54,240 Speaker 3: coming from? But you know it once from thin air, but. 315 00:14:54,920 --> 00:14:55,520 Speaker 6: On the credit card. 316 00:14:55,880 --> 00:14:58,600 Speaker 8: On the credit card, the government hits it reduced the 317 00:14:58,680 --> 00:15:00,920 Speaker 8: reasons like the number of reasons why you need a 318 00:15:01,000 --> 00:15:03,480 Speaker 8: rat test. So when I came into the territory from 319 00:15:03,560 --> 00:15:07,200 Speaker 8: Queensland in January, I was given three rats at the 320 00:15:07,200 --> 00:15:10,320 Speaker 8: airpil but then they remove that requirement. You don't need 321 00:15:10,320 --> 00:15:13,120 Speaker 8: to get tested anymore when you arrive. So why are 322 00:15:13,120 --> 00:15:15,440 Speaker 8: we buying all these rats when it seems like. 323 00:15:15,560 --> 00:15:16,640 Speaker 2: The testing's waning. 324 00:15:16,760 --> 00:15:18,040 Speaker 7: Yeah, getting we. 325 00:15:18,120 --> 00:15:21,760 Speaker 3: Got four when we entered Parliament on Monday, which I 326 00:15:21,800 --> 00:15:23,640 Speaker 3: have in you. So if anyone wants a rat test, 327 00:15:23,800 --> 00:15:28,600 Speaker 3: give you a call. 328 00:15:29,640 --> 00:15:32,520 Speaker 4: Over the last eighteen to twenty four months, is health 329 00:15:32,520 --> 00:15:33,680 Speaker 4: advice does change? 330 00:15:33,720 --> 00:15:34,520 Speaker 9: It does adapt. 331 00:15:34,640 --> 00:15:37,080 Speaker 4: Obviously we know more and more about the virus week 332 00:15:37,120 --> 00:15:39,720 Speaker 4: to week, month to month, and then the guidelines around 333 00:15:39,760 --> 00:15:41,640 Speaker 4: what it is that we need to do to protect 334 00:15:41,680 --> 00:15:45,280 Speaker 4: ourselves and our families and our colleagues and the general 335 00:15:45,320 --> 00:15:49,480 Speaker 4: community changes under those guidelines. And again when people have 336 00:15:49,600 --> 00:15:51,480 Speaker 4: the opportunity to be able to do a test at 337 00:15:51,480 --> 00:15:54,720 Speaker 4: home for themselves, for their family members, for their children 338 00:15:55,000 --> 00:15:57,920 Speaker 4: and get that certainty on understanding what are the sort 339 00:15:57,960 --> 00:16:00,560 Speaker 4: of care that they may need to implement for themselves 340 00:16:00,640 --> 00:16:03,000 Speaker 4: at home or adding that acute care. 341 00:16:03,080 --> 00:16:03,320 Speaker 3: Well. 342 00:16:03,320 --> 00:16:06,480 Speaker 1: Look, it wasn't just rats that were discussed inside Parliament House, 343 00:16:06,560 --> 00:16:09,280 Speaker 1: we know that. Earlier in the week, there were reports 344 00:16:09,320 --> 00:16:12,760 Speaker 1: that the president of Territory Labour's youth wing had resigned 345 00:16:12,760 --> 00:16:15,760 Speaker 1: from his job in Federal MP Luke Gosling's office after 346 00:16:15,800 --> 00:16:19,800 Speaker 1: a social media video surfaced showing him allegedly snorting a 347 00:16:19,800 --> 00:16:23,200 Speaker 1: white substance. Now, the video, which had been shared by 348 00:16:23,200 --> 00:16:27,600 Speaker 1: the NT Independent, was reportedly posted to Snapchat last October, 349 00:16:27,600 --> 00:16:30,040 Speaker 1: and it showed the Northern Territory Young Labour president with 350 00:16:30,080 --> 00:16:34,480 Speaker 1: the white substance on the table and cut into lines 351 00:16:34,480 --> 00:16:37,360 Speaker 1: which then appeared to be snorted through a fifty dollar note. 352 00:16:37,480 --> 00:16:40,200 Speaker 1: It is understood or certainly the member for Solomon's office. 353 00:16:40,280 --> 00:16:44,160 Speaker 1: I'd contacted them earlier in the week and the spokesperson 354 00:16:44,200 --> 00:16:47,160 Speaker 1: for Luke Gosling's office had said that the alleged incident 355 00:16:47,200 --> 00:16:50,400 Speaker 1: took place almost eighteen months ago and predates the part 356 00:16:50,440 --> 00:16:53,360 Speaker 1: time staff as employment in the Solomon electorate office and 357 00:16:53,400 --> 00:16:55,840 Speaker 1: the Member for Solomon was made aware of the alleged 358 00:16:55,840 --> 00:16:59,479 Speaker 1: incident earlier in the week and the staff member since resigned. 359 00:17:00,320 --> 00:17:03,960 Speaker 1: You know, it was certainly an interesting time inside Parliament. 360 00:17:04,040 --> 00:17:07,440 Speaker 1: I know that the opposition sought to really you know, 361 00:17:07,520 --> 00:17:09,919 Speaker 1: to really make it come across that the Labor Party 362 00:17:10,200 --> 00:17:13,240 Speaker 1: had an issue with with you know, with this type 363 00:17:13,240 --> 00:17:14,240 Speaker 1: of thing within the party. 364 00:17:14,440 --> 00:17:16,439 Speaker 2: I thought it was a misstep from the CELP. 365 00:17:16,560 --> 00:17:19,040 Speaker 1: I've got to say throughout the week really going hard 366 00:17:19,040 --> 00:17:22,159 Speaker 1: on that rather than going hard on the situation with 367 00:17:22,280 --> 00:17:24,359 Speaker 1: health when that I know for me, and I know 368 00:17:24,400 --> 00:17:26,159 Speaker 1: I'm very privileged because I get to talk to a 369 00:17:26,160 --> 00:17:28,720 Speaker 1: lot of normal people every single day in this show. 370 00:17:28,760 --> 00:17:31,720 Speaker 1: But that was by far and large the biggest issue 371 00:17:31,760 --> 00:17:34,919 Speaker 1: for Territorians this week. The healthcare system and the issues 372 00:17:34,960 --> 00:17:35,639 Speaker 1: around health. 373 00:17:35,720 --> 00:17:40,280 Speaker 2: Not so much this young Labor staffer. 374 00:17:41,000 --> 00:17:43,560 Speaker 8: I just just try to average punter out there is 375 00:17:43,560 --> 00:17:45,080 Speaker 8: going to not that I can claim to be one, 376 00:17:45,200 --> 00:17:47,760 Speaker 8: but would look at that and think, well, everyone makes 377 00:17:47,760 --> 00:17:48,840 Speaker 8: a mistake when they're eighteen. 378 00:17:48,920 --> 00:17:50,280 Speaker 7: Everyone does something silly. 379 00:17:50,760 --> 00:17:53,439 Speaker 8: We live in an environment now where you know, you 380 00:17:53,440 --> 00:17:56,159 Speaker 8: can get recorded doing something and it's online forever, and 381 00:17:56,920 --> 00:17:59,199 Speaker 8: I don't know, I think that the coop trying to 382 00:17:59,280 --> 00:18:02,160 Speaker 8: use that as something to bludgeon labor within in parliament 383 00:18:02,320 --> 00:18:03,960 Speaker 8: was I don't know. 384 00:18:04,000 --> 00:18:05,560 Speaker 7: I don't think it really landed. 385 00:18:05,880 --> 00:18:06,800 Speaker 2: I don't think it did either. 386 00:18:06,840 --> 00:18:08,320 Speaker 1: I don't think it hit the mark in the way 387 00:18:08,320 --> 00:18:10,320 Speaker 1: that the CLP might have hoped that it would be. 388 00:18:10,880 --> 00:18:14,159 Speaker 6: Well, what it came back to was the Chief Minister 389 00:18:14,200 --> 00:18:18,480 Speaker 6: condaining and effectively a drug culture within labor. And that's 390 00:18:18,480 --> 00:18:19,200 Speaker 6: what it comes down to. 391 00:18:19,320 --> 00:18:22,640 Speaker 4: Now, Oh, that's absolutely rubbish bill, And you know that that. 392 00:18:22,680 --> 00:18:27,960 Speaker 6: Drug use is cocaine used simply is legal and that's 393 00:18:27,960 --> 00:18:31,120 Speaker 6: the simple point of it. Now the Chief Minister call 394 00:18:31,560 --> 00:18:33,960 Speaker 6: a for an inquiry into his own office. We had 395 00:18:33,960 --> 00:18:39,520 Speaker 6: the cocaine labor sex scandal as well. This stuff needs 396 00:18:39,560 --> 00:18:43,280 Speaker 6: to be addressed. We sitting in Parliament make the laws 397 00:18:43,680 --> 00:18:46,399 Speaker 6: and pass laws for the territory and we raised the 398 00:18:46,440 --> 00:18:50,240 Speaker 6: issue about drug testing for parliamentarians and staffers. 399 00:18:49,800 --> 00:18:50,399 Speaker 2: In the building. 400 00:18:50,400 --> 00:18:54,040 Speaker 6: Again, I don't think that's out of line. We expect 401 00:18:54,080 --> 00:18:56,639 Speaker 6: that the highest privatey of our police and some of 402 00:18:56,640 --> 00:18:59,639 Speaker 6: our public servants. Why shouldn't we see that probity within 403 00:18:59,760 --> 00:19:02,760 Speaker 6: our parliamentarians? And the start was it well, making the 404 00:19:02,840 --> 00:19:04,200 Speaker 6: laws for the people to terrorism. 405 00:19:05,160 --> 00:19:08,000 Speaker 1: I totally get what you're saying, and I understand and 406 00:19:08,000 --> 00:19:10,000 Speaker 1: and you know, certainly last year, I think it was 407 00:19:10,040 --> 00:19:13,240 Speaker 1: a very different scenario that we were talking about. So 408 00:19:13,320 --> 00:19:16,000 Speaker 1: I understand what you're saying. But but I do think 409 00:19:16,080 --> 00:19:19,240 Speaker 1: that it was maybe a little bit a little bit 410 00:19:19,280 --> 00:19:24,480 Speaker 1: more of a you know, stretch to try and insinuate 411 00:19:24,520 --> 00:19:26,560 Speaker 1: that this, you know, that this young bloke was some 412 00:19:26,680 --> 00:19:29,480 Speaker 1: kind of heavy hitter within the within the Labor party, 413 00:19:30,119 --> 00:19:32,800 Speaker 1: you know, and and that it meant that there was 414 00:19:32,840 --> 00:19:34,560 Speaker 1: a culture of cocaine use. 415 00:19:34,560 --> 00:19:37,960 Speaker 8: It's important to note, and I saw clarification from the 416 00:19:38,040 --> 00:19:41,280 Speaker 8: Labor executive about this that he wasn't a member of 417 00:19:41,280 --> 00:19:45,000 Speaker 8: the party when this video was taken. He wasn't He 418 00:19:45,040 --> 00:19:48,600 Speaker 8: hadn't registered as a formal member of Territory Labor and 419 00:19:48,640 --> 00:19:52,000 Speaker 8: it was not yet working in Gosling's office. So it 420 00:19:52,800 --> 00:19:55,240 Speaker 8: to sort of tie this back to a wider culture 421 00:19:55,400 --> 00:19:56,119 Speaker 8: within labor. 422 00:19:56,600 --> 00:19:58,439 Speaker 7: It does feel like a bit of a stretch. 423 00:19:58,640 --> 00:20:01,000 Speaker 1: And is he still a member of the party and 424 00:20:01,119 --> 00:20:03,359 Speaker 1: is he still the president of is he still the 425 00:20:03,400 --> 00:20:04,359 Speaker 1: president of Young Labor? 426 00:20:04,520 --> 00:20:04,800 Speaker 4: Yes? 427 00:20:05,200 --> 00:20:07,640 Speaker 2: Mine that I think is that I think they need 428 00:20:07,680 --> 00:20:08,640 Speaker 2: to relook at well. 429 00:20:08,760 --> 00:20:13,119 Speaker 8: I think because the alleged incident happened, happened before he 430 00:20:13,200 --> 00:20:15,800 Speaker 8: was a member of Labor, before he was president of 431 00:20:15,840 --> 00:20:19,920 Speaker 8: Young Labor. I think the party have sort of happy 432 00:20:19,920 --> 00:20:22,360 Speaker 8: to be corrected, but I think that they're not going 433 00:20:22,400 --> 00:20:23,040 Speaker 8: to look into it. 434 00:20:23,240 --> 00:20:25,600 Speaker 2: Is that I think they need to look at around. 435 00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:27,760 Speaker 6: Let's say if it was someone from the seal P 436 00:20:28,320 --> 00:20:29,640 Speaker 6: who was from snorting. 437 00:20:31,080 --> 00:20:34,720 Speaker 1: Could you imagine screamed from the Labor It is a 438 00:20:34,800 --> 00:20:37,879 Speaker 1: very good place the Seal Tree were caught snorting cocaine, 439 00:20:37,920 --> 00:20:39,400 Speaker 1: it would be a different story. 440 00:20:39,560 --> 00:20:40,159 Speaker 2: Absolutely. 441 00:20:40,760 --> 00:20:44,199 Speaker 3: Look, we've had the Labor Gunner government taking the higher 442 00:20:44,240 --> 00:20:47,800 Speaker 3: moral ground for many many years. There's a there's a 443 00:20:47,840 --> 00:20:51,760 Speaker 3: case here, an alleged case of the use of cocaine 444 00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:55,200 Speaker 3: by a Labor Party member. I think you can't brush 445 00:20:55,240 --> 00:20:59,159 Speaker 3: it under the carpet. It is an issue. There seems 446 00:20:59,160 --> 00:21:00,960 Speaker 3: to be a bit of a drug culture within the 447 00:21:01,040 --> 00:21:04,399 Speaker 3: Labor Party. If you put the cocaine sex scandal together 448 00:21:04,480 --> 00:21:08,119 Speaker 3: with this latest incident, I think it probably took up 449 00:21:08,160 --> 00:21:11,240 Speaker 3: too much time in Parliament this week. There are more 450 00:21:11,280 --> 00:21:14,680 Speaker 3: important things, but it still is an issue that should 451 00:21:14,720 --> 00:21:20,040 Speaker 3: be reported. I think blaming the COLP for somehow bringing 452 00:21:20,080 --> 00:21:23,160 Speaker 3: it up and misusion I think that's a bit rich. 453 00:21:23,520 --> 00:21:26,320 Speaker 3: I think it should just be reported on its own 454 00:21:26,359 --> 00:21:31,040 Speaker 3: as an issue. You look, cocaine, cocaine and cocaine, Labor Party, 455 00:21:31,119 --> 00:21:33,480 Speaker 3: Labor Party, Labor Party. We've been hearing about this for 456 00:21:33,480 --> 00:21:35,520 Speaker 3: the last couple of years. It's an issue. 457 00:21:35,760 --> 00:21:38,639 Speaker 4: I do want to respond to that, because Bill knows 458 00:21:38,720 --> 00:21:42,160 Speaker 4: and Robin knows very much. So this week the Chief 459 00:21:42,160 --> 00:21:45,200 Speaker 4: Minister stood up in Parliament and said the Labor Party 460 00:21:45,280 --> 00:21:49,800 Speaker 4: and particularly the Labor Government do not condone illegal or 461 00:21:50,040 --> 00:21:50,879 Speaker 4: drug activity. 462 00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:52,840 Speaker 9: And you know that, Billain, you know that, Robin. Okay, 463 00:21:52,840 --> 00:21:53,680 Speaker 9: that's very clear. 464 00:21:54,560 --> 00:21:57,000 Speaker 4: What I would like to say is what they're saying 465 00:21:57,080 --> 00:22:02,200 Speaker 4: right now is absolutely an insult to all of the 466 00:22:02,240 --> 00:22:06,080 Speaker 4: hard working Labor Party members and supporters. And saying there's 467 00:22:06,080 --> 00:22:10,120 Speaker 4: a drug culture within the party, I think is an 468 00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:14,040 Speaker 4: absolute slight on all of those hard working Labor Party 469 00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:16,439 Speaker 4: members who work day in and day out of support 470 00:22:16,440 --> 00:22:18,920 Speaker 4: the Labor Party principles across the Northern temriture. 471 00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:20,040 Speaker 9: I think it's a real shame that. 472 00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:20,760 Speaker 2: They've to be made. 473 00:22:20,840 --> 00:22:23,240 Speaker 1: Is if he's done nothing wrong, then why is he 474 00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:25,760 Speaker 1: no longer working in the Member for Solomon's office. 475 00:22:25,840 --> 00:22:28,600 Speaker 9: But what I think, and that's a question for the 476 00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:29,399 Speaker 9: Member for Solomon. 477 00:22:29,640 --> 00:22:30,840 Speaker 7: Yeah, I think he's paid the price. 478 00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:33,400 Speaker 8: But then there is an argument to be made that 479 00:22:33,840 --> 00:22:36,280 Speaker 8: you know, now that he has paid the price, he's 480 00:22:36,320 --> 00:22:37,400 Speaker 8: probably suffering now. 481 00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:41,960 Speaker 1: Absolutely, it would be no doubt about that. That is 482 00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:44,119 Speaker 1: no doubt about that. The issue I've got now is 483 00:22:44,359 --> 00:22:48,720 Speaker 1: is it actually the way that young Labor wants to 484 00:22:48,760 --> 00:22:50,880 Speaker 1: be represented at this point in time. And I think 485 00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:53,040 Speaker 1: that that's the question that they need to be asking 486 00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:56,240 Speaker 1: if young Labor does want to you know, if they 487 00:22:56,320 --> 00:22:59,959 Speaker 1: really want to try to reflect, you know, a highest 488 00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:03,600 Speaker 1: standard within the community and want young people joining the 489 00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:07,480 Speaker 1: party of that standard. I think it's I don't think 490 00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:09,959 Speaker 1: keeping him in as president is the right move at 491 00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:10,600 Speaker 1: this point. 492 00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:14,280 Speaker 3: Absolutely not. You know, it's a party issue. If this 493 00:23:14,359 --> 00:23:16,840 Speaker 3: happened in the CELP, it would be a party issue 494 00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:19,359 Speaker 3: and the party would be held to account. You can't 495 00:23:19,359 --> 00:23:22,920 Speaker 3: just say, oh, well, the Chief Minister it doesn't agree 496 00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:26,000 Speaker 3: with the use of illicted drugs and the Member for 497 00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:28,000 Speaker 3: Solomon has to deal with it in his own way. 498 00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:31,000 Speaker 3: It's a Labor party issue. This is a theme that's 499 00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:33,680 Speaker 3: come up time and time again over the last couple 500 00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:35,840 Speaker 3: of years, and you can't hide from that. 501 00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:40,280 Speaker 8: Didn't Lea say when what's his name was that anti 502 00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:42,160 Speaker 8: mandate rally recently. 503 00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:44,240 Speaker 7: Oh, yes, that was a matter for the party. 504 00:23:44,280 --> 00:23:49,080 Speaker 8: That wasn't that, That wasn't her responsibility because she was 505 00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:49,720 Speaker 8: the legita. 506 00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:52,680 Speaker 3: She's the leader of her party and she needs to 507 00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:56,040 Speaker 3: step up and take responsibility for what happens in her party. 508 00:23:56,119 --> 00:23:57,400 Speaker 3: And that's how politics work. 509 00:23:57,560 --> 00:23:57,959 Speaker 2: It is. 510 00:23:58,119 --> 00:24:01,119 Speaker 1: Well, another interesting thing though that opened throughout the week, Robin. 511 00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:03,840 Speaker 1: You obviously called for alcohol. It's going to be a 512 00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:06,040 Speaker 1: piece of legislation, as I understand that it's going to 513 00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:08,240 Speaker 1: be pushed next sittings. 514 00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:09,320 Speaker 2: If I've got that correct. 515 00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:13,240 Speaker 1: You want alcohol to potentially be banned from Parliament house. 516 00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:13,479 Speaker 3: Now. 517 00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:15,720 Speaker 2: You told me during the week that you're know wawser. 518 00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:20,640 Speaker 3: I'm no wawser, but not at work. Not at work. 519 00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:23,919 Speaker 3: It's not legislation. I just moved. I gave notice of 520 00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:27,000 Speaker 3: emotion to be discussed in general business. And to be honest, 521 00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:29,160 Speaker 3: it probably won't happen until the end of the year. 522 00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:31,320 Speaker 3: But I think this is an important thing that we 523 00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:34,920 Speaker 3: lead by example as members of Parliament. We shouldn't be 524 00:24:35,359 --> 00:24:37,800 Speaker 3: sipping on a wine or a beer while we're at work. 525 00:24:38,119 --> 00:24:41,240 Speaker 3: And I'm not suggesting that the function areas within Parliament 526 00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:43,679 Speaker 3: House big grog free. It's just the work areas, the 527 00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:47,240 Speaker 3: ministerial suites, the members suites, the work areas. I think 528 00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:50,400 Speaker 3: it's a very reasonable and responsible thing to do, particularly 529 00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:53,800 Speaker 3: given what's happened in the Federal Parliament with the Jenkins 530 00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:57,879 Speaker 3: Report into cultural issues around the use of alcohol. We 531 00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:00,160 Speaker 3: know that alcohol is the root of all evil in 532 00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:01,160 Speaker 3: in the Northern Territory. 533 00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:03,840 Speaker 1: So grog free, Oh, I'd have no issue with being, 534 00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:06,760 Speaker 1: you know, grog free in my workplace where I am. Anyway, 535 00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:08,560 Speaker 1: we have to be in here and there's no way 536 00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:10,320 Speaker 1: I'd be able to get aware. 537 00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:12,720 Speaker 2: Also, had the time to sit down. 538 00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:15,040 Speaker 3: And have a war work up here, I can tell 539 00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:17,119 Speaker 3: you people do what they have indeed in the past. 540 00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:18,760 Speaker 3: I'm not sure what people are doing at the moment. 541 00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:22,320 Speaker 3: I mean, we wiped up a massive bill the former 542 00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:25,840 Speaker 3: Speaker easy appearing buying alcohol thousands of dollars. 543 00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:28,919 Speaker 1: She does have she hosts different events and things like 544 00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:29,520 Speaker 1: that down there. 545 00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:31,560 Speaker 3: I guess I had the lot of events. 546 00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:34,000 Speaker 1: Well, there is also what about those some of those 547 00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:37,480 Speaker 1: other events that do happen inside Parliament House? Would you 548 00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:41,080 Speaker 1: still be able to have Falcals. Yeah, okay, that's Selena. 549 00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:42,280 Speaker 1: What do you do think about this call? 550 00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:46,040 Speaker 4: We obviously recognize that alcohol reform in the Northern Territory 551 00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:49,120 Speaker 4: is absolutely important, so we'll be interesting to discuss Robin's 552 00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:52,120 Speaker 4: motion when it comes into the Parliament. That's why we've 553 00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:55,479 Speaker 4: been doing this work for five six years in alcohol reform. 554 00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:59,040 Speaker 4: We know that alcohol causes a majority of the harm 555 00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:03,120 Speaker 4: to territory and we see alcohol fuel violence, alcohol alcohol 556 00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:07,840 Speaker 4: fueled crimes, and this is an unfortunately community and systematic 557 00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:09,280 Speaker 4: issue across the Northern Territory. 558 00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:11,000 Speaker 9: So it is an important conversation to have. 559 00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:13,440 Speaker 6: I'm really looking forward to the debate. Actually, I think 560 00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:15,480 Speaker 6: it's going to be a very very interesting and very 561 00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:18,960 Speaker 6: very robust debate. Imparlierment personally, and I'm only speaking personally, 562 00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:20,880 Speaker 6: I don't have an issue with it. I don't need 563 00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:22,960 Speaker 6: beer in my fridge in my office and I don't 564 00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:24,960 Speaker 6: think I've got any beer marketany And you're talking. 565 00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:27,399 Speaker 4: About individuals, but when we're talking about what will make 566 00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:30,360 Speaker 4: an impact on the communities that we represent, it's about 567 00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:33,159 Speaker 4: supporting the alcohol reform and the work that we're doing, 568 00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:35,919 Speaker 4: and unfortunately we haven't seen that in the CLP. I 569 00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:37,800 Speaker 4: don't intend that we'll see it in the future, but 570 00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:40,639 Speaker 4: it is something that we as Labor will continue to 571 00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:42,920 Speaker 4: do the alcohol reform across the NT Government. 572 00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:45,680 Speaker 8: Ministers though, do demand a lot of sort of regulations 573 00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:48,800 Speaker 8: around alcohol, you know, the purchasing of alcohol, where alcohol 574 00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:51,240 Speaker 8: can be taken in the Northern Territory. I think that 575 00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:53,520 Speaker 8: you know, a reasonable step would be that you ask 576 00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:55,840 Speaker 8: ministers to maybe not be able to drink. 577 00:26:55,600 --> 00:27:00,560 Speaker 6: More as song as we see it down Elst restricted. Yes, 578 00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:02,639 Speaker 6: premises we may be able to put those up at 579 00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:03,680 Speaker 6: the front of Parliament House. 580 00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:04,240 Speaker 4: Yes. 581 00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:07,720 Speaker 3: And also you know you could extrapolate this to government 582 00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:12,640 Speaker 3: government buildings too, I mean the public service. I don't 583 00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:16,240 Speaker 3: think there's an alcohol ban within based government building. 584 00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:18,880 Speaker 6: So I don't the alcohol in the workplay. I don't 585 00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:20,040 Speaker 6: support alcohol. 586 00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:21,800 Speaker 2: In the work yeah. 587 00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:24,119 Speaker 1: Well, and the other you know, the other part of 588 00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:26,280 Speaker 1: this something that we did talk about earlier in the week. 589 00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:29,320 Speaker 1: I had the Deputy Police Commissioner Michael Murphy on the 590 00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:31,639 Speaker 1: show and we were talking about some of the public 591 00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:34,199 Speaker 1: drunkeness that we are seeing around Darwin at the moment 592 00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:38,120 Speaker 1: and had spoken about the fact that we've got usually 593 00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:40,879 Speaker 1: about seven hundred people sleeping rough in the Greater Darwin 594 00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:44,679 Speaker 1: and rural area. At the moment there are around two thousand. 595 00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:48,760 Speaker 1: We know that, you know that there is really a 596 00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:51,480 Speaker 1: multi level approach that is going to be needed in 597 00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:52,040 Speaker 1: this space. 598 00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:52,239 Speaker 3: Now. 599 00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:55,440 Speaker 1: I know that the discussion about alcohol inside Parliament House 600 00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:59,320 Speaker 1: is a very different discussion to that of alcohol being 601 00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:03,440 Speaker 1: drunk or assumed on the streets and people sleeping raf 602 00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:06,320 Speaker 1: but there's no doubt at the moment that this is 603 00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:09,280 Speaker 1: something that we're seeing around around Darwin. 604 00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:13,399 Speaker 8: Well, you know, there was a Jenkins Report which Robin 605 00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:18,440 Speaker 8: mentioned in her speech about introducing this debate to Parliament, 606 00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:21,840 Speaker 8: which was you know, the report was about a really 607 00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:25,080 Speaker 8: horrific series of incidents that happened in Canberra. Now, I 608 00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:28,280 Speaker 8: think that it is probably reasonable to have a similar 609 00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:31,359 Speaker 8: investigation here into whether there is a culture of drinking 610 00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:34,720 Speaker 8: in Parliament House in Darwin, not because there is one, 611 00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:37,919 Speaker 8: but because it needs to be looked into, as you know, 612 00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:43,400 Speaker 8: as part of good you know, I guess baseline assessment. 613 00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:45,800 Speaker 8: Almost it's something that I think people need to look 614 00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:49,320 Speaker 8: into because it is an issue that we've seen pop 615 00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:51,200 Speaker 8: up right across the country and I don't think the 616 00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:52,320 Speaker 8: territory is immune from it. 617 00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:54,959 Speaker 1: No, And then when you look at then the issues 618 00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:57,000 Speaker 1: that we do have, which are much broader around the 619 00:28:57,040 --> 00:29:00,400 Speaker 1: Northern Territory with the misuse of alcohol, I suppose some argue, 620 00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:01,720 Speaker 1: you know that it starts from the top. 621 00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:03,720 Speaker 2: In terms of that example setting. 622 00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:06,920 Speaker 3: You have to lead by example. You mentioned public drunkenness 623 00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:11,040 Speaker 3: on the streets of Darwin. The former Colp government that 624 00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:14,600 Speaker 3: I was a part of addressed public drunkenness years ago 625 00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:18,880 Speaker 3: in twenty twelve, and when we introduced alcohol mandatory treatment. 626 00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:22,720 Speaker 3: In those days, the streets right throughout the territory were 627 00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:27,560 Speaker 3: teeming with drunks and this particular strategy cleaned it up 628 00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:30,680 Speaker 3: and took them into rehab and gave them an opportunity 629 00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:35,560 Speaker 3: to change their lives. And since that was scrapped by 630 00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:39,840 Speaker 3: the Labor government back in twenty sixteen, you've seen this 631 00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:44,280 Speaker 3: creepback of people drunken, people drunk on the streets right 632 00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:47,520 Speaker 3: throughout the Northern Territory and they're not being helped in 633 00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:51,440 Speaker 3: any way, shape or form, apart from the emergency relief programs, 634 00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:54,840 Speaker 3: the shelters and the you know, the people that sort 635 00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:58,280 Speaker 3: of look after destitute people on the streets. It has 636 00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:01,760 Speaker 3: to be addressed, Katie, because it is I was driving 637 00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:04,280 Speaker 3: around Alice Springs the other day and I thought exactly 638 00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:08,280 Speaker 3: what you said. It's increased that the number of people 639 00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:12,520 Speaker 3: that are destitute and drunk is a problem. Again, it's 640 00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:13,000 Speaker 3: a big. 641 00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:15,480 Speaker 1: Problem, Selenda. It's obviously something that the government is keeping 642 00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:17,800 Speaker 1: a close eye on, I would imagine at the moment. 643 00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:20,320 Speaker 4: Absolutely, Katie. But it's also something that we're looking at. 644 00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:23,480 Speaker 4: We did the Riley Review and one hundred and twenty 645 00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:27,240 Speaker 4: recommendations came. Government agreed to one hundred and nineteen of 646 00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:30,160 Speaker 4: those recommendations. The only one wasn't the sale banning the 647 00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:32,200 Speaker 4: sale of alcohol on Sunday, So that was the only 648 00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:34,640 Speaker 4: one that we didn't agree to as a government, and 649 00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:37,080 Speaker 4: we are implementing that one hundred and nineteen of those 650 00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:39,920 Speaker 4: one hundred and twenty recommendations from the Riley Review. 651 00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:40,520 Speaker 9: But you know. 652 00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:45,640 Speaker 4: Robin's talking about scrapping different programs and initiatives that she 653 00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:48,480 Speaker 4: was part of a COLP government who overnight scrapped the 654 00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:50,080 Speaker 4: band drinkers Register. 655 00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:52,760 Speaker 3: Which we brought about working here in a northern terror chase. 656 00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:53,320 Speaker 3: Why you brought it. 657 00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:56,360 Speaker 4: But we're looking at initial supply of alcohol and making sure, 658 00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:59,000 Speaker 4: there's restrictions on people who can't handle our cohole, but 659 00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:01,760 Speaker 4: there's also second and there is supply issues, which again 660 00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:04,600 Speaker 4: is as a range of targeted measures. And when we're 661 00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:08,280 Speaker 4: talking about the current situation, particularly here in Darwin, with 662 00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:11,600 Speaker 4: what there's already been discussed, there are other ways to 663 00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:15,720 Speaker 4: be dealing with those issues and often they're issues of poverty. 664 00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:19,040 Speaker 4: There are often issues of homelessness. There are often issues 665 00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:25,560 Speaker 4: of family's extreme social disadvantage, financial disadvantage, and they're all 666 00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:27,320 Speaker 4: of those areas. And if it was a quick fix, 667 00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:28,840 Speaker 4: it would be done already. We would have done it 668 00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:31,480 Speaker 4: governments ago. But it's not, unfortunately, and that's the work 669 00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:32,520 Speaker 4: that we've got to continue to do. 670 00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:35,320 Speaker 3: The problem this government is facing is that your alcohol 671 00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:37,680 Speaker 3: strategies are not working anymore. 672 00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:38,800 Speaker 6: We've had the rollerye. 673 00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:42,720 Speaker 3: There's been no tweaking or changing or improving or modifying 674 00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:45,960 Speaker 3: of any alcohol strategies at all over the last twelve 675 00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:48,520 Speaker 3: to eighteen months. And in Alice Springs you can see 676 00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:51,960 Speaker 3: the effect of that. It's time the Alcohol Minister either 677 00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:55,560 Speaker 3: flip her portfolio to someone else because she's so busy 678 00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:59,400 Speaker 3: with health and COVID, or she get back to work 679 00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:03,480 Speaker 3: and look at what's happening in terms of alcohol strategies. 680 00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:05,880 Speaker 3: They are no longer working in Alice Springs and they're 681 00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:08,120 Speaker 3: probably no longer working anywhere else. 682 00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:10,400 Speaker 6: Well, we look at the Royal Review and all those 683 00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:13,760 Speaker 6: recommendations that have been supported, and yet we're seeing increases 684 00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:17,800 Speaker 6: in alcohol fuel violence and domestic violence right across the territory. 685 00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:20,600 Speaker 6: So something is not working. There needs to be a 686 00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:25,560 Speaker 6: fundamental shift in how we approach the management of alcohol 687 00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:27,400 Speaker 6: and access to it and what happens with you. 688 00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:29,520 Speaker 1: Well, look, we are going to have to take a 689 00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:31,880 Speaker 1: very short break. You are listening to Mix one oh 690 00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:34,520 Speaker 1: four point nine three sixty. It is the week that was. 691 00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:37,640 Speaker 2: It is just fifteen minutes away from ten o'clock. 692 00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:40,040 Speaker 1: We've got a very busy coming your way after ten 693 00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:42,320 Speaker 1: this morning as well. We will have Scott Morrison, the 694 00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:45,120 Speaker 1: Prime Minister, on the show and after eleven the Opposition 695 00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:48,480 Speaker 1: leader Anthony Albanezi. But in the studio with me this 696 00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:52,000 Speaker 1: morning of course, Bill Yan, Robin Lamley, Thomas Morgan and 697 00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:54,880 Speaker 1: Selina Rubo. And we know that earlier in the week, 698 00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:58,840 Speaker 1: on Monday, the Chief Minister, Michael Gunner had outlined his 699 00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:02,280 Speaker 1: plan for the Northern Territory. In that year Ahead speech, 700 00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:05,000 Speaker 1: he said that the vision for the future is a 701 00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:09,360 Speaker 1: forty billion dollar Northern Territory economy, telling the room of 702 00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:12,880 Speaker 1: industry that well, his goal was to create that forty 703 00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:17,120 Speaker 1: billion dollar territory economy by twenty thirty. By looking beneath 704 00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:20,240 Speaker 1: the sea, towards the stars, to infinity and beyond. 705 00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:27,120 Speaker 2: Buzzl yis it is? Well, this is the thing. I 706 00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:28,120 Speaker 2: guess you know. 707 00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:31,920 Speaker 1: There is a lot on the cards that makes you go, okay, Well, 708 00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:34,480 Speaker 1: we have got some good times ahead, hopefully in the 709 00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:37,160 Speaker 1: Northern Territory, and we are certainly going to see money 710 00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:39,960 Speaker 1: invested in the Northern Territory. But I suppose that it 711 00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:43,400 Speaker 1: has been such a tough time for so many in 712 00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:45,840 Speaker 1: various different industries. 713 00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:49,240 Speaker 2: That sometimes until you actually see. 714 00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:51,840 Speaker 1: That rubber hitting the road, it's hard to believe it's 715 00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:54,360 Speaker 1: going to happen until you actually see it happening. 716 00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:58,640 Speaker 6: Well, there's a very old analogy, Katie. The empty cart 717 00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:04,600 Speaker 6: rattles the most. So on Monday, we heard a lot 718 00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:06,560 Speaker 6: of rattling because I think the cart was a little 719 00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:07,000 Speaker 6: bit empty. 720 00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:10,480 Speaker 2: I was waiting for an explanation there, Bill, Well, we. 721 00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:12,680 Speaker 6: Heard a lot of stuff that has already been announced. 722 00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:14,840 Speaker 6: Some of this stuff was announced last year, was announced 723 00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:17,920 Speaker 6: back in January. It was rehashing of stuff that has 724 00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:21,800 Speaker 6: already been trotted out to the public. And there's a 725 00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:26,320 Speaker 6: number of things that the governor claiming as there's a 726 00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:29,279 Speaker 6: few resources I was talking to a few resources ten 727 00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:32,160 Speaker 6: years ago down in our area, and to claim that 728 00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:35,200 Speaker 6: as a success for this government, it's like, I. 729 00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:35,920 Speaker 9: Just don't get it. 730 00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:38,839 Speaker 6: And there's another thing that I've not spoken about this 731 00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:40,839 Speaker 6: before because I was sworn to secrecy, but I reckon 732 00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:45,279 Speaker 6: I can talk about it now. I was driving a 733 00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:50,279 Speaker 6: former Attorney general out to Love's Creek, the facility for 734 00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:53,680 Speaker 6: youth right down in our area, and I had to 735 00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:55,319 Speaker 6: stop on the side of the ray while he took 736 00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:59,440 Speaker 6: a phone call from a space agency in the US 737 00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:01,239 Speaker 6: who were looking to come and do business here and 738 00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:04,680 Speaker 6: nam Land. Yeah, all right, and that was probably six 739 00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:07,319 Speaker 6: to eight years ago. So for this government to come 740 00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:11,799 Speaker 6: and claim responsibility and success for that doesn't quite job. 741 00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:16,160 Speaker 6: We'll be pretty happy that I've actually broken that secrecy 742 00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:17,160 Speaker 6: and brought that out today. 743 00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:19,880 Speaker 1: Well, look, it does happen across the board, though, I 744 00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:22,000 Speaker 1: think that you know, that's a pretty normal thing to happen. 745 00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:23,960 Speaker 1: Whoever's in government's going to claim it as a win. 746 00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:26,839 Speaker 1: You know, same thing happened with IMPEX. I'm pretty sure 747 00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:29,440 Speaker 1: that you know everybody was claiming that one as well. 748 00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:31,640 Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, you know, when 749 00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:34,480 Speaker 1: you're talking about things like land release and you know 750 00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:37,080 Speaker 1: new suburbs being fast tracked to make sure that we've 751 00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:40,280 Speaker 1: got enough housing. Again, I think that that's all good stuff. 752 00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:42,400 Speaker 1: It is all stuff that we need to be looking towards. 753 00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:45,399 Speaker 1: But for a lot of those different businesses and industries, 754 00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:50,040 Speaker 1: until you actually see it happening, you aren't going to 755 00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:52,600 Speaker 1: be prepared to put your money out there and to 756 00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:56,200 Speaker 1: be investing a huge amount of your money until you 757 00:35:56,239 --> 00:35:58,600 Speaker 1: can see that the population is going to grow. 758 00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:01,920 Speaker 4: Katie, I think that what you've said is absolutely correct, 759 00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:04,080 Speaker 4: and it's like the same thing in my electric We 760 00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:07,920 Speaker 4: can have some really great policies and programs and initiative, 761 00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:10,960 Speaker 4: but and tell people see that there's something that's concrete, 762 00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:13,160 Speaker 4: you know, something you can see, something you can hold, 763 00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:16,160 Speaker 4: something you can touch, then you really start to believe. 764 00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:18,880 Speaker 4: But again, the Chief Minister's speech on Monday is about 765 00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:23,600 Speaker 4: outlining and updating the Northern territory on the work that's happening, 766 00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:26,080 Speaker 4: the work that hasn't stopped, the work that has obviously 767 00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:28,439 Speaker 4: ridden the waves of COVID in the last two years 768 00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:31,719 Speaker 4: as well, But to reassure particularly industry and business that 769 00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:34,760 Speaker 4: there are some really great things happening, and of course 770 00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:37,719 Speaker 4: there's things that are happening out of the public limelight 771 00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:40,680 Speaker 4: that have been worked on in the background in the 772 00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:43,120 Speaker 4: quot and are you know, twenty percent completed with some 773 00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:45,720 Speaker 4: of our projects so far, some of those really really 774 00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:46,640 Speaker 4: big investments. 775 00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:48,120 Speaker 9: So it is exciting. 776 00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:50,879 Speaker 4: But again, the CLP loves to rubbish the territory, love 777 00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:53,680 Speaker 4: to rubbish the investment, love to rubbish the aspirations of 778 00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:56,160 Speaker 4: territory businesses and the future that we have. That's what 779 00:36:56,200 --> 00:36:59,000 Speaker 4: they'll always do because they're in opposition. But we are 780 00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:01,920 Speaker 4: very confident that businesses know that the work is happening 781 00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:03,360 Speaker 4: and will continue to shine your. 782 00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:06,200 Speaker 1: Instance, so I know that I've had an industry leader 783 00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:08,440 Speaker 1: say to me throughout the week, Katie, how many jobs 784 00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:10,280 Speaker 1: have been created in the last six years? 785 00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:12,359 Speaker 2: Not a lot, so it's hard to believe it right now. 786 00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:14,439 Speaker 8: A lot of the things that Gunner is coming out 787 00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:19,120 Speaker 8: and announcing aren't government projects spending. They're not spending billions 788 00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:23,960 Speaker 8: of dollars investment private sector, you know pretty much, and 789 00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:27,200 Speaker 8: NASSA launchers, and that's not something the government they're actually 790 00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:27,719 Speaker 8: putting anything. 791 00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:31,440 Speaker 3: Your Nitor General came out with a report last year 792 00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:35,080 Speaker 3: and she looked into the claims by government of job creation. 793 00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:38,880 Speaker 3: Can you remember this, and she refuted what the government 794 00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:41,279 Speaker 3: was saying. She went through and all the claims that 795 00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:44,880 Speaker 3: this particular project created three hundred jobs and this particular 796 00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:48,800 Speaker 3: project created one hundred jobs, that those figures were actually 797 00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:52,640 Speaker 3: not accurate at all. So jobs, jobs, jobs, You know, 798 00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:54,799 Speaker 3: you can almost guarantee that that's not. 799 00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:58,560 Speaker 1: Exactly hard battle, I think, because you certainly want. 800 00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:00,520 Speaker 2: To rebuild the confidence to OANs. 801 00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:02,560 Speaker 1: You know, we have had a tough time even prior 802 00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:05,319 Speaker 1: to COVID, we were having a very tough time economically. 803 00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:06,280 Speaker 2: Then COVID struck. 804 00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:08,640 Speaker 1: You know, you've got some of our different some of 805 00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:10,840 Speaker 1: our different businesses that have just been. 806 00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:13,640 Speaker 2: Really you know, doing their best to try. 807 00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:15,720 Speaker 1: To keep those doors open and to keep things moving. 808 00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:18,239 Speaker 1: So I do understand that you've really got to keep 809 00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:20,759 Speaker 1: the confidence up and try your best to you know, 810 00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:23,680 Speaker 1: to have that confidence from the Northern from the Northern 811 00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:27,520 Speaker 1: Territory's leader, from the Chief Minister wanting people to invest here. 812 00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:29,240 Speaker 2: But again, I do. 813 00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:33,319 Speaker 1: Think that there really needs to be people able to 814 00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:35,879 Speaker 1: see some of that action and able to really see 815 00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:38,719 Speaker 1: the population starting to grow before they shign. 816 00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:41,440 Speaker 6: From a Chief minister's speech is what is going to 817 00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:44,759 Speaker 6: do to build a confidence for business and investors in 818 00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:47,279 Speaker 6: the territory. A couple of really really big issues we've 819 00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:50,080 Speaker 6: got to fix to attract those people and that investment 820 00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:50,680 Speaker 6: in the territory. 821 00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:52,160 Speaker 9: We need to fix our economy. 822 00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:54,640 Speaker 6: We need those businesses to come and do that. We 823 00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:56,840 Speaker 6: need to fix our health system. We need to address 824 00:38:56,880 --> 00:39:01,840 Speaker 6: the crime issue, the crime Ischine's driving people away. 825 00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:02,680 Speaker 9: They're the big things. 826 00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:05,520 Speaker 6: They're the big ticket items that should have been spoken about. 827 00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:07,000 Speaker 6: What are we going to do to fix this to 828 00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:09,319 Speaker 6: attract people to the territory. We didn't get any of that. 829 00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:12,960 Speaker 3: Look, I looked at his speech in terms of Alice Springs, 830 00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:16,040 Speaker 3: and I wasn't sensing there was a lot of honesty there. 831 00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:19,360 Speaker 3: I mean, these speeches are aspirational as you just said, 832 00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:23,040 Speaker 3: and all leaders make these speeches to sort of lift 833 00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:26,040 Speaker 3: people's spirits and give them some optimism and some confidence. 834 00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:28,960 Speaker 3: But I read what he said about Alice Springs and 835 00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:31,560 Speaker 3: one of the things he said is that we are 836 00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:36,240 Speaker 3: building an accommodation facility for health professionals in Alice Springs. 837 00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:40,279 Speaker 3: The Northern Territory government is not building that building. They 838 00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:43,360 Speaker 3: don't own it, and they're not building it. They're leasing it. 839 00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:43,840 Speaker 7: You know. 840 00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:45,919 Speaker 3: And I just looked at that and I thought, that's 841 00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:50,200 Speaker 3: not true. That's essentially a lie. And after that point, 842 00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:52,520 Speaker 3: I just thought, well, it's just rubbish. It's just you know, 843 00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:54,480 Speaker 3: political rehtoric and crap. 844 00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:57,279 Speaker 8: Well, it's one thing to have, you know, all these 845 00:39:57,320 --> 00:40:00,920 Speaker 8: billion dollar announcements and lots of hundreds of jobs doesn't 846 00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:03,000 Speaker 8: matter though, of all the jobs of Firefox workers. 847 00:40:03,520 --> 00:40:03,840 Speaker 7: Yeah. 848 00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:05,600 Speaker 2: Well, and that was something that he touched on. 849 00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:07,239 Speaker 1: He certainly, you know, I said that he didn't want 850 00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:09,799 Speaker 1: that to be happening this time round. But yeh, you 851 00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:11,879 Speaker 1: make a very good point, Tom, something that we've seen 852 00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:12,360 Speaker 1: in the past. 853 00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:15,880 Speaker 4: Definitely take Tom's point, But the conversations have shifted in 854 00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:19,000 Speaker 4: regards to those big businesses who are investing here in 855 00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:21,719 Speaker 4: the territory or want to invest here in the territory. 856 00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:25,479 Speaker 4: And the criteria that we now have is making sure 857 00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:28,719 Speaker 4: that we don't rely on FIFO or drive in drive 858 00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:33,640 Speaker 4: out workers and that we do have local employees or 859 00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:36,759 Speaker 4: traineeships that then feed into those jobs and then being 860 00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:40,360 Speaker 4: able to count those numbers. What impacts the current population, 861 00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:43,600 Speaker 4: what impacts our future population here in the territory. 862 00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:45,840 Speaker 9: That work is being done by government? 863 00:40:46,239 --> 00:40:48,000 Speaker 4: Does an investor doesn't just go I'm want to go 864 00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:50,520 Speaker 4: to do business in Darwin and then what happens? There 865 00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:52,600 Speaker 4: is a lot of work that happens to be able 866 00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:55,680 Speaker 4: to have those conversations and then to build it into fruition. 867 00:40:56,320 --> 00:40:58,840 Speaker 1: Very busy morning in here today and it is just 868 00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:00,600 Speaker 1: about time for us to wrap up. We have got 869 00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:03,759 Speaker 1: Bill Yann, Robin Lamley, Thomas Morgan and Selena Rubou in 870 00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:06,200 Speaker 1: the studio. But before we do, we know that the 871 00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:09,160 Speaker 1: Prime Minister Scott Morrison in Alice Springs today. 872 00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:11,040 Speaker 2: Robin and Bell, I know. 873 00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:14,080 Speaker 1: That there has been a lot of discussion about crime 874 00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:16,360 Speaker 1: and the issues that you've got in Alice Springs right now. 875 00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:19,560 Speaker 1: Are you hopeful that following on from that letter that 876 00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:22,760 Speaker 1: was sent from the mayor of Alice Springs, that maybe 877 00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:24,640 Speaker 1: the Prime Minister's going to be sort of making some 878 00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:25,880 Speaker 1: announcement that can help you. 879 00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:29,400 Speaker 3: Hopeful, always hopeful, Katie, given that the Chief Minister denies 880 00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:32,320 Speaker 3: as even our crime problem in Alice Springs, I'm hopeful 881 00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:34,239 Speaker 3: the Prime Minister looks at us and help you. 882 00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:36,480 Speaker 6: Yes, it'll be good interesting to see if the if 883 00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:38,320 Speaker 6: Scott Morrison are promised to catch it up with a 884 00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:42,440 Speaker 6: mayor or is it all Springs day, It's possible, who knows. 885 00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:45,160 Speaker 6: We can only hope, but at least he's the Prime 886 00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:46,880 Speaker 6: Minister's there. He's having a bit of a look and 887 00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:50,239 Speaker 6: he's obviously having a listen, and we'll see what comes 888 00:41:50,239 --> 00:41:50,440 Speaker 6: of it. 889 00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:51,680 Speaker 7: I'll find out. 890 00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:55,680 Speaker 1: I'll ask asks at today tom I've got him on 891 00:41:55,719 --> 00:41:57,799 Speaker 1: the show in a little while, so we'll find out. 892 00:41:58,320 --> 00:41:59,320 Speaker 2: See if he read it. 893 00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:02,319 Speaker 7: Just surprising, ask him if he even knows the letter. 894 00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:03,640 Speaker 3: You read that letter? 895 00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:04,279 Speaker 2: You read it? 896 00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:06,560 Speaker 1: Well, we'll wait and see. Well, we'll wait and see. 897 00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:09,600 Speaker 1: Let's hope he has Well. That's just that's it for 898 00:42:09,719 --> 00:42:11,759 Speaker 1: us this morning. I always appreciate all of you coming 899 00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:13,960 Speaker 1: into the studio. Billy and the Opposition. 900 00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:17,279 Speaker 6: Spokesperson to help pleasure is always keep the fit going. 901 00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:20,239 Speaker 6: Oh yeah, as soon as I'm home tomorrow, I said. 902 00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:22,279 Speaker 2: I also on Sunday. I'm back into it, but you 903 00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:24,880 Speaker 2: suffered an injury. I know, I know, but I'll. 904 00:42:24,719 --> 00:42:26,279 Speaker 6: Push through that injury. I've got to get back into 905 00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:27,080 Speaker 6: that top ten spot. 906 00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:29,840 Speaker 1: You have to in the Step Challenge. I'm not in 907 00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:33,080 Speaker 1: the top ten despite sometimes running ten kilometers. Apparently you've 908 00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:34,600 Speaker 1: got to do a lot to get in the top 909 00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:39,160 Speaker 1: ten and stick. Robert Ladley, always great to have. 910 00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:39,680 Speaker 2: You on the show. 911 00:42:39,719 --> 00:42:40,480 Speaker 3: Thanks so much. 912 00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:43,160 Speaker 1: Tom Morgan from the NT News, thanks so much for 913 00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:46,200 Speaker 1: your time this morning. Thanks and Attorney General Selena Rubo, 914 00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:48,560 Speaker 1: thank you so much for your time time to be here. 915 00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:50,680 Speaker 1: And Darwin, we'll talk to you again very soon. You 916 00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:52,839 Speaker 1: are listening to Mix one oh four point nine.