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Speaker 1: Well, we know that the government has apparently won over

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Speaker 1: public servants with this four thousand dollars pre Christmas hand

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Speaker 1: out and a string of other concessions public servants voting

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Speaker 1: in favor of the government's new wages policy. Now to

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Speaker 1: tell us a little bit more about the situation and

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Speaker 1: how the vote went down on Friday, it is Kay Densley,

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Speaker 1: the Northern Territory's Regional Secretary of the CPSU.

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Speaker 2: Good Morning to UK.

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Speaker 3: Good morning Katie, Kay, how.

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Speaker 2: Did it go on Friday morning?

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Speaker 3: The agreement was actually voted up fifty seven percent, so

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Speaker 3: there was less than half the people eligible to vote

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Speaker 3: who actually did vote. It's pretty disappointing, I think. And yeah,

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Speaker 3: I guess the Gunner government will now go down in

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Speaker 3: history as being, I would think, the worst labor government

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Speaker 3: in history.

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Speaker 2: Kath Sorry, Kay, were you surprised by that result?

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Speaker 3: I was surprised, but they did dang a lot of

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Speaker 3: money in front of people. I guess, just before Christmas.

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Speaker 3: There's a lot of people who are just new to

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Speaker 3: the public service or don't intend to stay. They also,

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Speaker 3: of course, you know, the Chief Minister was threatening people's

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Speaker 3: jobs quite some time beforehand, so you know with those

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Speaker 3: sorts of things. People shouldn't have had to a choose

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Speaker 3: chosen under those circumstances. But that's how it turned out.

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Speaker 1: And kay, you said less than half of those that

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Speaker 1: were eligible actually turned up to vote.

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Speaker 2: So how many voted in the end, I.

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Speaker 3: Don't have the exact number with me. I think it

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Speaker 3: was about six seven hundred or so.

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Speaker 1: Yep. And which look just for those out there listening

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Speaker 1: who maybe don't know exactly, you know, which public servants

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Speaker 1: it was that voted, like what areas of the public

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Speaker 1: service actually voted?

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Speaker 3: So it was a general agreement. So there are a

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Speaker 3: lot of people who are in our membership. For example,

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Speaker 3: work at the hospital. Are the ones that check you

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Speaker 3: in and and sign you're in an emergency for example,

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Speaker 3: the contact traces, the cleaners at the hospitals, and the

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Speaker 3: one to prepare the food rangers, scientists, administrative people. There's

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Speaker 3: a lot of a lot of people come a lot

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Speaker 3: of tasks.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, I know that.

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Speaker 1: When you know when the public servants overwhelmingly rejected the

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Speaker 1: government's pay wages plan in November, So they rejected it

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Speaker 1: when it was at that one thousand dollar payment that

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Speaker 1: was on the table. Do you reckon in the end

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Speaker 1: here that it did come down to more money that

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Speaker 1: got them over the line.

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Speaker 3: Oh, it certainly was an increase in the money. But

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Speaker 3: there's still no pay rise for now for four years,

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Speaker 3: so you know that's an awfully long time. You know,

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Speaker 3: most of the people are between sixty and eighty thousand

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Speaker 3: dollars a year, you know, at the AO three to

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Speaker 3: AO five level for example, so they're going to have

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Speaker 3: to really think about where they spend their money now.

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Speaker 1: Kay, Do you think that this is going to cause

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Speaker 1: any issues when it comes to trying to recruit people

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Speaker 1: from interstate sort of down the track.

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Speaker 3: Well, it's got to be looking when you if if

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Speaker 3: you were think about moving up to the territory about

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Speaker 3: you know, what the situation would be with your money.

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Speaker 3: So I think it could be a hindrance. Obviously, there's

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Speaker 3: still more agreements to be voted, so for example your

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Speaker 3: teacher the next year, we've got the firefighters and correctional officers.

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Speaker 3: They're still power Water and Jacana who both voted no twice.

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Speaker 3: So what we're hoping is that the government actually talks

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Speaker 3: to us this time. And yeah, isn't so piph headed

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Speaker 3: about the whole thing.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So obviously with those ones who voted it down,

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Speaker 1: I Power Water and Jacana, what happens.

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Speaker 2: With them now? Do they have to sort of further negotiate.

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Speaker 3: Well, we're written through on behalf of Jacana asking for

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Speaker 3: negotiations again, so they even had a sort of a

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Speaker 3: double I guess money dangling in the factor. They're actually

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Speaker 3: changing their incremental structure, but there are a few things

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Speaker 3: that need to get fixed. So I think before people

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Speaker 3: are actually accepted, a pay rise would be good as well.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I know I say this every time you and

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Speaker 1: I catch up and talk about this issue. There will

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Speaker 1: be a lot of people listening this morning who are thinking,

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Speaker 1: you know, well, lucky you guys, you're getting a pay increase,

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Speaker 1: or lucky public servants, you're getting a pay increase when

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Speaker 1: so many in the private sector are struggling. You know,

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Speaker 1: what would you say to those listening this morning who

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Speaker 1: are thinking that this is unfair and there's a disparity

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Speaker 1: between the public service and the private sector.

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Speaker 3: Well, I think they've spoken about this before, Katie. You

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Speaker 3: know what will be the effect on the private sector.

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Speaker 3: So I think that a lot of plases are going

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Speaker 3: to be saying they don't need to give a pay

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Speaker 3: rise now. So some of those nbos, for example, schools

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Speaker 3: and private schools, et cetera, you some place of ability

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Speaker 3: flag that they might be giving a pay rise because

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Speaker 3: the public service haven't. So let's see what the effect is. Obviously,

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Speaker 3: people will have less money to spend in local businesses.

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Speaker 3: So you know, when people are saying that public servants

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Speaker 3: are paid too much, their business probably relying on public

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Speaker 3: servants to buy their goods, et cetera.

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Speaker 1: Well, kay Denzil, I really appreciate your time this morning.

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Speaker 1: I probably won't talk to you now before the end

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Speaker 1: of the year, so I hope that you have a

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Speaker 1: great Christmas and no doubt we'll talk again in the

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Speaker 1: new year.

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Speaker 3: Thanks you, Kadian. To everybody else, thank you,